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Time Nick Message
00:00 ecube ohh, nice
00:00 iqualfragile joined #minetest
00:01 kaeza this is after removing a single node: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1058913431.png
00:03 ecube ;)
00:07 khonkhortisan sand does that on redcrab
00:09 jin_xi VanessaE: skin changing works here
00:11 jin_xi http://pastebin.com/jdq1a9sX used this chat command in player.lua and a modified skin
00:11 jin_xi it changes it for all players atm
00:11 jin_xi but that is fixable
00:11 VanessaE oh good
00:12 VanessaE let's make sure it's compatible with the naming scheme used by player_textures
00:12 VanessaE this is looking really food.
00:12 VanessaE good.
00:13 VanessaE :-)
00:16 kaeza heh V you still hungry?
00:16 kaeza :D
00:16 kaeza where do I put that code?
00:16 kaeza oh nevermind
00:18 jin_xi you probably should not put it anywhere...
00:18 jin_xi its just a test case
00:20 VanessaE kaeza: nope, not even :-)
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00:23 VanessaE kaeza1: not even close to hungry now :-)
00:23 kaeza1 <VanessaE>this is looking really food
00:23 kaeza1 lol
00:23 VanessaE lol
00:24 kaeza1 hmm... https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1060658419.jpg
00:24 VanessaE Freudian slip? ;)
00:24 kaeza1 right :P
00:24 VanessaE kaeza1: challenge accepted? :-)
00:24 kaeza1 you bet
00:24 kaeza1 just a moment please...
00:27 kaeza1 LOL https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1061036812.jpg
00:27 iqualfragile well, i guess its great to have an 3D-Model for the player now
00:28 iqualfragile i hope that the Animal-mods will use some, too
00:28 kaeza1 iqualfragile: agreed
00:30 VanessaE there, my server is now at the very latest git commit.
00:30 kaeza was there a new commit?
00:30 VanessaE just some minor stuff, new glass breaking sound
00:30 VanessaE nothing major
00:31 VanessaE Taoki: I'm going to wait on your branch until you and c55 push it to main so I don't have to maintain two servers :-)
00:31 VanessaE (translation:  I get lost easily)
00:32 jin_xi meanwhile: http://www.sea-of-memes.com/LetsCode72/LetsCode72.html
00:33 kaeza 8O
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00:48 VanessaE there, fine.  If f10 is gonna crash I'll make my own chat history.  tail -f ~/.minetest/debug.txt|grep -i chat
00:48 kaeza cool cave entrance https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1062266507.jpg
00:48 kaeza how is f10 crashing?
00:49 VanessaE segfault I guess.
00:49 VanessaE celeron55 blames it on irrlicht
00:49 kaeza it's not crashing for me
00:49 kaeza weird
00:51 VanessaE in linux the F10 console is very unstable
00:51 VanessaE crashes about 8/10 times.
00:52 kaeza I've hit f10 like 200 times and nothing is happening
00:52 kaeza I mean, it just shows the chat window
00:52 VanessaE huh.
00:52 VanessaE windows?
00:52 kaeza console*
00:52 kaeza whatever
00:52 kaeza https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/mt-chat-window.jpg
00:53 VanessaE Hm.  ubuntu.  wonder why it's so stable for you but breaks for everyone else to often?
00:54 kaeza Maybe it has something to do with the fact that on some OSes F10 is the key to bring the menu?
00:55 VanessaE beats me.
00:56 kaeza It happened on my old PC with an NVidia card that stealing the focus to an app at almost the same time the app goes fullscreen crashed the entire system
00:56 VanessaE for me, MT will crash if I take focus away from it at the wrong moment.
00:56 VanessaE (ATI gfx here)
00:57 kaeza I'm using Intel i965 (I think)
00:57 VanessaE therre's a window of crash risk toward the end of the "loading media" screen, from there till a few seconds into the black screen that follows.
00:57 iqualfragile i have never had any kind of problem with f10 either
00:57 VanessaE if I take focus from the MT window during that time, and I'm going onto a server at the time, it'll crash at the moment it's supposed to switch to the black screen
00:59 kaeza now that you mention it, it did for me a few times
01:00 kaeza the crash on the black screen
01:00 VanessaE yup
01:01 VanessaE on that topic, I really *really* wish someone would push an update to the client to let us see the textures being rendered like some windows users get to see.  at least that's some kind of activity.
01:01 kaeza +1000
01:03 VanessaE where "us" of course means "us linux obessives :D"
01:04 kaeza it seems windows has impressive gfx capabilities http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/can-your-mac-do-this.jpg
01:04 kaeza :D
01:05 iqualfragile sea of memes is getting quite interesting recently
01:05 Octupus lalala im griefing :)
01:06 iqualfragile vanessae: do you referr to the litle block on the lover left hand corner at loading-time?
01:07 VanessaE iqualfragile: I guess so, I never see it since I'm in linux.
01:07 VanessaE but most win users see it as a side effect of something irrlicht does
01:07 iqualfragile its not because you are on linux
01:07 iqualfragile im on linux, too and i do see that one
01:08 iqualfragile well, actualy its more like a reskinned windows vista
01:08 VanessaE I never see it.
01:09 Octupus Landmine if u are here dont die on the griefing server KAY
01:09 Octupus because u will never get out :D
01:09 iqualfragile night guys
01:10 VanessaE night iqualfragile
01:10 kaeza hight
01:10 kaeza night*
01:10 Octupus night iqualfragile
01:10 kaeza Hey octo, where are you playing?
01:11 Octupus a griefing server
01:11 Octupus u want the ip
01:11 kaeza sounds fun
01:12 Octupus u can be on my clan
01:12 kaeza yes please
01:12 Octupus i griefed $ houses today
01:12 Octupus 4
01:12 kaeza $ houses? lol
01:12 kaeza for me that's 0 houses
01:12 kaeza i.e: $ == 0
01:12 kaeza IP plz
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01:23 kaeza left #minetest
01:26 * OldCoder is on a short break
01:30 Octupus ok i done with griefing that server for awhile
01:31 Octupus gtg bye guys
01:41 kaeza joined #minetest
01:41 VanessaE wb
01:41 kaeza thx :)
01:41 kaeza missed anything?
01:41 VanessaE nope
01:42 kaeza I just been playing on Octupus server' and it happens the same as in your server
01:43 VanessaE well at least it isn't unique to me :-)
01:43 kaeza maybe it's me
01:43 VanessaE the old server at minetest.ru:30001 or whatever it was, was laggy as hell too, and it had anti-cheat enabled
01:43 kaeza hm..
01:44 kaeza Is ping a reliable command?
01:45 VanessaE usually.
01:45 kaeza just testing something
01:45 VanessaE reliable enough to get some idea of the latency of a connection
01:45 VanessaE (or whether or not it's live)
01:45 kaeza your server is up?
01:45 kaeza gonna try if it works
01:45 VanessaE it is up, yes
01:45 VanessaE lemme sign in
01:46 VanessaE ok, I'm on.
01:46 kaeza wait
01:46 kaeza what was your ip again?
01:47 VanessaE 24.181.193.82 port 30000
01:48 kaeza ~/Descargas/celeron55-minetest-4fa4340$ ping 24.181.193.82
01:48 kaeza PING 24.181.193.82 (24.181.193.82) 56(84) bytes of data.
01:48 kaeza 64 bytes from 24.181.193.82: icmp_req=1 ttl=49 time=587 ms
01:48 kaeza 64 bytes from 24.181.193.82: icmp_req=2 ttl=49 time=296 ms
01:48 kaeza 64 bytes from 24.181.193.82: icmp_req=3 ttl=49 time=556 ms
01:48 kaeza 64 bytes from 24.181.193.82: icmp_req=4 ttl=49 time=555 ms
01:48 kaeza 64 bytes from 24.181.193.82: icmp_req=5 ttl=49 time=1025 ms18 packets transmitted, 17 received, 5% packet loss, time 17016ms
01:48 kaeza rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 279.757/769.761/1847.494/432.312 ms, pipe 2
01:48 VanessaE OUCH
01:49 kaeza this is bad
01:49 VanessaE celeron55: you seeing this?
01:51 kaeza does that help at all?
01:52 VanessaE how the hell am I supposed to fix THAT?
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01:56 kaeza oh well. I guess I'll have to play locally :(
01:56 kaeza It's not your fault V
01:57 VanessaE I know
01:57 kaeza It's just my crappy ISP
01:57 VanessaE yeah but if you can fetch a web page at a decent rate, I should be able to serve minetest data at a good rate too
01:57 VanessaE to you anyway
01:58 kaeza IDK, today I had to wait 10 secs for Facebook to load
01:58 VanessaE yeah well that's facebook ;)
01:58 kaeza yeah :)
01:58 Kacey joined #minetest
01:58 kaeza I guess
01:58 Kacey hello
01:58 kaeza hey Kacey
01:58 Kacey hows it going
01:59 kaeza fine
01:59 kaeza how's the nuclear disaster map going?
01:59 Kacey well today during school, i decided to write down a mod
01:59 kaeza cool
01:59 Kacey ooh it became an adventure map and it is on my other computer
02:01 Kacey writing the time mod so partial afk
02:02 kaeza LOL I'm the time travel master: 64 bytes from 24.181.193.82: icmp_req=4 ttl=49 time=-1 ms
02:02 VanessaE lol
02:02 Kacey wow
02:02 NekoGloop joined #minetest
02:02 VanessaE neko
02:02 kaeza does that mean i got the packet before i sent the request?
02:03 kaeza hey neko
02:03 NekoGloop What do you want?
02:03 VanessaE kaeza: more likely somewhere along the way the packet got munged :-)
02:03 kaeza O_o
02:03 VanessaE NekoGloop: um.. hi? :-)
02:03 Kacey lol i get that all the time on my phone
02:03 NekoGloop Was there someone asking for me or something?
02:03 VanessaE not that I saw?
02:04 Kacey nope
02:04 kaeza nope
02:04 kaeza <NekoGloop> FOREVER ALONE!
02:04 VanessaE neko: minetest 0.4.4, 24.181.193.82, port 30000 - give me a skin to use for you and sign on when I say, and get busy building :D
02:04 Kacey 0.4.4? all ready?!?!
02:04 NekoGloop I'd still have to scrounge up 0.44
02:04 NekoGloop 0.4.4*
02:04 kaeza yup
02:05 VanessaE Kacey: yep.  released yesterday, some bugfixes added today.
02:05 kaeza with 3D players YAY!
02:05 Kacey where do i download this magical version?
02:05 kaeza compile
02:05 kaeza :)
02:05 Kacey 3D PLAYERS!!!!!!
02:05 VanessaE kaeza: from sources. :-)
02:05 Kacey i cannot compile on windows
02:05 VanessaE https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/master
02:05 VanessaE https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/commits/master
02:05 NekoGloop VanessaE: Nothin' like a mistab.
02:06 VanessaE meh
02:06 VanessaE click on "code" :-0
02:06 VanessaE :-)
02:06 Kacey ooh wait i have a vm for compiling
02:06 kaeza I don't know if it can be cross-compiled from my machine, but if I could I'd do it for you
02:06 Kacey teamviewer
02:06 NekoGloop Teamviewer is crap.
02:07 Kacey but it works for compiling noobs
02:07 VanessaE or just wait a couple of days
02:07 Kacey like me
02:07 kaeza listen to NekoGloop
02:07 kaeza he's tha man
02:07 VanessaE 3d players' hats have been implemented and will be pushed to master ^^^^ soon.
02:07 kaeza umm... or woman?
02:07 NekoGloop Try nekoshounen; catboy. :3
02:07 Kacey a couple of days?!?!?!?!?! O.o that is like a month in teenager years
02:08 kaeza lol
02:08 VanessaE Kacey: well if you don't give a shit about players' hats, grab the sources now :D
02:08 kaeza Kacey: try VirtualBox
02:08 NekoGloop VanessaE: I'd rather wait.
02:08 Kacey i have a vm but that is linux and it doesnt transfer
02:08 kaeza or if you feel a bit lucky, DL a linux distro and setup a dual-boot system
02:08 Kacey back to windows
02:10 kaeza I have a cross compiler Linux -> MinGW32
02:10 OldCoder Windows is Sindows :p
02:10 kaeza Shitdows :)
02:10 Kacey well i didnt choose my os
02:11 Kacey winshit
02:11 kaeza that is your RIGHT
02:11 NekoGloop Shitnix.
02:11 Kacey not really i didnt choose my computer
02:11 OldCoder NekoGloop, sorry; I didn't mean to start that
02:11 kaeza wat
02:11 OldCoder kaeza, Kacey Leave Windows alone; I shouldn't have started that
02:11 OldCoder To each their own
02:11 kaeza k J&K
02:11 kaeza J/K
02:11 OldCoder Yes
02:12 OldCoder Kacey, I just dropped back in
02:12 NekoGloop If i want what i paid for, then let me have it.
02:12 OldCoder What problem are you having?
02:12 Kacey oldcoder can you teach me how to compile with MinGW?
02:12 OldCoder NekoGloop, I agree
02:12 OldCoder Kacey, Yes
02:12 OldCoder I can
02:12 Kacey k pm please
02:12 OldCoder I can provide scripts etc.
02:12 OldCoder Kacey, No need
02:12 OldCoder Kacey, I am unable to do much for a while longer
02:12 NekoGloop Such as the technic pack for minecraft.
02:13 Kacey ooh ok well let me finish this tool and get the latest version of minetest
02:13 OldCoder I expect to straighten things out and post everything
02:13 NekoGloop If i paid for minecraft, i have every right to use its modifications as well.
02:13 kaeza NekoGloop: +1
02:13 Kacey same ^
02:14 * NekoGloop shuffles his deck of +1's
02:14 * kaeza has lol'd
02:14 * Kacey shuffles across the floor to lmfao
02:15 NekoGloop Seriously, i just utter a pearl of wisdom in #minecraft and i get +10000000 :3
02:15 OldCoder Hmm?
02:15 Kacey lol same in the school for me
02:15 OldCoder That is a big number
02:15 NekoGloop Yeup.
02:15 kaeza hey! I just told a n008 how to start a program on Y! answers and got best answer
02:16 Kacey lol
02:16 VanessaE kaeza: Achievement Unlocked - you receive 1000 internets.
02:16 VanessaE :D
02:16 Kacey what do i download? i see WAY too many things here
02:16 * kaeza welcomes all to the Internet, where people know how to chat but don't know how to start a F*CKING program
02:16 Kacey lolz
02:17 kaeza VanessaE: thanks :)
02:17 Kacey is it bump version to 0.4.4 or something like that?
02:17 NekoGloop Off-topic: i just made a jetpack in minecraft technic woot!
02:18 VanessaE Kacey: it was.  but there are more commits after that.
02:18 VanessaE Kacey: the latest just past 0.4.4 has several bug fixes.
02:18 Kacey so what do i download
02:18 NekoGloop Jetpack + portalgun mod's long fall boots = wheee~~
02:18 kaeza NekoGloop: any chance to get this to MT?
02:18 VanessaE Kacey: nothing.  you don't know how to handle compiling from github, so better you should wait for someone to package latest git for you.
02:18 NekoGloop kaeza: I mean ingame, i dont know a lick of java and my lua skills suck.
02:19 kaeza hm...
02:19 kaeza It would be cool to see this
02:19 NekoGloop We'd need equipment first likely.
02:19 Kacey i can compile with oldcoder's help but i need to know what to download
02:19 kaeza for servers that don't allow free move
02:20 kaeza Kacey: go to the main github page
02:20 NakedFury ill wait for oldcoders compiled version
02:20 VanessaE Kacey: fetch the very latest sources from https://github.com/celeron55/minetest and https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game
02:20 kaeza what was it again?
02:20 VanessaE compile them.
02:20 kaeza yep that is
02:20 kaeza and hit the "ZIP" button at the top of the file list
02:20 NakedFury do we have 3d armor for characters already?
02:20 Kacey what file of them do i download?!?!
02:21 Kacey ok found it
02:21 NekoGloop NakedFury: No.
02:21 kaeza ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME?
02:21 VanessaE NakedFury: no, but we have good 3d players that use minecraft skins :-)
02:21 VanessaE Kacey: stop.
02:21 NekoGloop The headwear from the minecraft skin format is implemented.
02:21 Kacey i found it
02:21 kaeza Kacey: go to https://github.com/celeron55/minetest in your browser, and hit the "ZIP" button!
02:21 NakedFury ok. so minetest is going with minecraft models for good or just as placeholder for now?
02:21 kaeza oh nevermind
02:21 VanessaE Kacey: read this IN DETAIL.   https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L78
02:22 kaeza this  ^
02:22 OldCoder R
02:22 OldCoder Kacey, I may be able to start over with all of this around December 1
02:22 Kacey start over?
02:23 OldCoder Not bad
02:23 OldCoder Catch up
02:23 OldCoder If that sounds better
02:23 Kacey ooh
02:23 OldCoder Things have gotten a bit crazy recently
02:23 Kacey lol
02:23 * OldCoder shrugs
02:23 OldCoder O_o :p
02:24 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Umd-2moT3Y
02:24 Kacey ooh boy this cold be bad...
02:24 NakedFury OldCoder no problem, we can wait
02:25 OldCoder NakedFury, ty
02:25 OldCoder Kacey, sorry to hear it
02:27 kaeza can somebody please post a link to a precompiled Irrlicht package for MinGW32?
02:28 kaeza oh found it!
02:29 VanessaE kaeza: you can build against irrlicht source also
02:29 kaeza yes
02:29 VanessaE I did that once under Ubuntu Intrepid
02:29 kaeza i'm currently DL'gin
02:29 VanessaE (as a test)
02:29 kaeza ing*
02:30 kaeza I have cross-compilation support in my game, Legend of Cosmo
02:30 Kacey_ joined #minetest
02:30 kaeza out of the box
02:30 Kacey_ sorry computer went stupid
02:30 kaeza lol
02:30 kaeza there you go
02:31 kaeza :)
02:31 Kacey well that sucke
02:31 aggies joined #minetest
02:31 kaeza WOW I think I'll take a look at this Irrlicht thing
02:31 Kacey heey
02:31 aggies sup
02:31 kaeza seems fun :)
02:31 kaeza hi
02:32 Kacey lol soooo much stuff today
02:32 aggies who all is on
02:32 Kacey this is aggies, my brother
02:32 Kacey look on the left side
02:32 * Kacey slaps aggies with a rainbow trout
02:32 kaeza I suck at 3D coding
02:33 Kacey lolz
02:33 kaeza trigonometry and such things
02:33 Kacey lolz
02:33 * aggies slap Kacey in the face with globe
02:33 Kacey downloading minetest_game now
02:33 * Kacey slaps aggies with a big red brick
02:33 Kacey i have a slap button
02:34 * NekoGloop slaps NekoGloop-- owie.
02:34 * kaeza slaps both Kacey and aggies
02:34 Kacey i hate when that happens lol
02:34 * aggies slaps Kacey in the face with the world
02:34 * Kacey ducks
02:34 * aggies jumps
02:34 kaeza YAY! slapwar!
02:35 * Kacey slaps kaeza with a rainbow trout
02:35 Kacey i win
02:35 * aggies slaps Kacey with his laptop
02:35 * Kacey slaps aggies with Bill Gates' wallet
02:35 * kaeza takes out a BFG9000: you're all fucked
02:35 * VanessaE clobbers Kacey over the head with a 30kg soaking-wet Programmer's Reference Guide for Linux Super-Geeks
02:35 anunakki joined #minetest
02:36 * Kacey slaps VanessaE with the Microsoft user guide
02:36 * aggies slaps Kacey with an atom bomb
02:36 VanessaE oh wow, one whole page :-)
02:36 Kacey lol not this one
02:36 VanessaE (which reads "Point and drool." )
02:36 * VanessaE ducks
02:36 Kacey thickest book i have ever seen
02:36 * kaeza is questioning if there can be a 30KG book for Linux, since all books are at least 50KG
02:37 * sokomine showes everyone fighting into one of the arenas to make some young players who like to fight happy :-)
02:37 * aggies jumps onto Kacey and brings him down
02:37 * Kacey slaps kaeza with the Wrld Dictionary
02:37 NekoGloop VanessaE: Nope.
02:37 NekoGloop It reads "Bing it"
02:37 sokomine oh no! the microsoft user guide is a violation of the geneve convention!
02:37 Kacey wow that failed it was supposed to say World
02:37 * aggies slaps kaeza with steve hawkings wheelchair
02:38 * kaeza takes the chair: WHEEE!
02:38 * Kacey hits aggies with SPELL-CHECK
02:38 VanessaE NekoGloop:  oh, right.
02:39 * aggies throws NekoGloop to the moon
02:39 NekoGloop Spaaaaaaaaaaccccccceeeeeeee!!!!!!!!
02:39 kaeza NekoGloop: lol
02:39 NekoGloop /spacecore
02:39 Kacey guess how long it took aggies to come up with that
02:40 * aggies took a couple of seconds i was afk for a min
02:40 Kacey /me hits everybody with SPELL-CHECK
02:40 * sokomine hopes that nekogloop builds a base on the moon
02:40 aggies fail
02:40 Kacey wtf?!?!?!?!
02:40 * Kacey hits everybody with SPELL-CHECK
02:40 kaeza Internet not working, Suggest help from the internet -- Scumbag MS Windows
02:40 * NekoGloop spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaccccccccccceeeee!!!!!!!!!!!
02:40 Kacey aah un needed space
02:40 * NekoGloop is now the portal 2 space core.
02:41 * NekoGloop what have you done.
02:41 * aggies throw kaeza to the heliosphere
02:41 * Kacey is secretly Chuck Norris
02:41 * aggies is secretly bruce lee
02:42 * Kacey hits aggies with SPELL-CHECK
02:42 kaeza Yeah, Bruce Lee kicked Chuck's ass HARD!
02:42 Kacey until Bruce died
02:42 NekoGloop ...
02:42 NekoGloop I'm in space... I'm in space...
02:42 Kacey aggies: GET THE HINT!!!!!
02:42 NekoGloop SPAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIICCCCEEEEE~~~~~~!!!!!!!!!
02:43 Kacey anyone remember my bot?
02:43 kaeza spaice?
02:43 sokomine don't fall off the map :-)
02:43 * aggies bring NekoGloop back to earth
02:43 kaeza lol NekoGloop is at (0,32000,0)
02:43 * NekoGloop feverishly mutters about space
02:43 * aggies is on roof of house
02:43 * Kacey hits aggies with SPELL-CHECK
02:44 * aggies drive skidstere into haystack
02:44 kaeza wat
02:44 * Kacey hits aggies with SPELL-CHECK
02:44 Kacey he can't spell
02:45 * aggies hits Kacey in face with spell check
02:45 * Kacey hits aggies with SPELL-CHECK
02:45 Kacey and it annoys him
02:45 * NekoGloop randomly shoots a portal above and at the feet of Kacey
02:45 NekoGloop Infinite loop now!
02:45 Kacey WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
02:45 * aggies in SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEE
02:45 NekoGloop aggies: :(
02:45 * Kacey hits aggies with SPELL-CHECK
02:46 Kacey OldCoder?
02:46 * aggies says what
02:46 * Kacey slaps aggies with a big red brick
02:46 * aggies is a hobbit
02:47 Kacey /me likes purple
02:47 * sokomine waits until kacey hits three more times so that a brick block can be crafted
02:47 OldCoder Kacey, All right
02:47 kaeza Kacey: fail
02:47 OldCoder Purple. Noted.
02:47 Kacey lol
02:47 OldCoder Hobbits are habits.
02:47 * aggies like blue
02:47 Kacey that didnt work like i wanted
02:47 OldCoder No :-)
02:47 Kacey ok how may i compile
02:48 aggies hi OldCoder
02:48 * Kacey stabs aggies
02:48 * kaeza likes the green color of the Oranges (note I'm colorblind :P )
02:48 * aggies runs over Kacey
02:48 Kacey ooh green oranges i love them
02:48 * aggies loves green tomatoes
02:48 * Kacey is made of Chevy
02:49 * NekoGloop is made of little kitties
02:49 * aggies is afk
02:49 * kaeza politely requests Kacey and aggies to SHUT THE FUCK UP
02:49 * Kacey pokes celeron55 to see if he is alive
02:49 * Kacey notes the request
02:50 VanessaE by now c55 is asleep
02:50 VanessaE or I would assume so
02:50 kaeza yeah
02:50 Kacey i have never talked to him
02:50 Kacey OldCoder how do i compile?
02:50 Kacey using MinGW
02:51 kaeza Kacey: I'm now crosscompiling
02:51 Kacey ?
02:51 kaeza hope it works
02:51 OldCoder Kacey, there are two ways
02:51 Kacey well i want to compile my own
02:51 OldCoder Start with a build script that C55 provides
02:51 OldCoder That is how you start
02:51 OldCoder Then tailor the script to your liking
02:51 Kacey i have minetest -master
02:52 OldCoder Or: Do the same thing starting with my code
02:52 OldCoder That will be incompatible with most worlds
02:52 * aggies is back
02:52 Tom_____ joined #minetest
02:52 kaeza hey Tom____
02:52 Tom_____ Hey
02:52 Kacey ooh im going to change code
02:53 aggies wat code
02:53 Kacey source code
02:53 aggies which is
02:53 Kacey what makes minetest
02:53 aggies oooooo
02:54 Kacey ya
02:54 * aggies pokes Dogzilla131 to c if dead
02:54 kaeza Kacey: I think you should have something similar to celeron-minetest-XXXXXX
02:54 Kacey nvm on changing it
02:55 Kacey i have the git pull
02:55 Kacey alright OldCoder now what
02:55 * Dogzilla131 wakes up and starts barking
02:55 * aggies runs to get gun
02:55 * kaeza pats Dogzilla331
02:55 * Dogzilla131 stop barking
02:55 * Kacey stabs aggies
02:56 Kacey (sw)
02:56 * aggies shoots Kacey
02:56 * Dogzilla131 happy with kaeza and begs for a treat
02:56 * Kacey is immortal
02:56 * Kacey jumps on Dogzilla131 and tries to ride him like a horse
02:56 * aggies is also immortal
02:56 * kaeza gives Dogzilla331 a shot of wine
02:57 * Dogzilla131 turns to a dogzilla and tries to get aggie
02:57 Kacey uugh i only have 3 more minutes
02:57 Kacey where is OldCoder when i need him?
02:57 * aggies try to give Dogzilla131 some food
02:57 * Dogzilla131 eats it but carefully
02:58 * Dogzilla131 looks at aggies
02:58 Tom_____ left #minetest
02:58 * kaeza is listening to I Wanna Rock and Roll All Night by Kiss
02:58 * aggies tries to pet Dogzilla131
02:58 NekoGloop Meow? 3:
02:58 Kacey that is a good song
02:58 * Kacey pets NekoGloop
02:58 * NekoGloop purrs :3
02:59 * Kacey picks up Neko
02:59 * Dogzilla131 goes back to normal dog size and wags hes tail
02:59 * aggies listens to gangham style
02:59 * Dogzilla131 looks at NekoGloop, but he does not hate cats
02:59 * aggies gives Dogzilla131 a bone
03:00 * NekoGloop shys away from dogzilla and cuddles up to kacey who is holding him :3
03:00 * Kacey lets go of Neko and bicycle kicks him across the room
03:00 NekoGloop D:
03:00 Kacey i love doing that
03:00 * aggies is lmfao
03:00 * Kacey rubs his foot that now hurts from kicking Neko
03:00 * Dogzilla131 is a transformer , he turns to a Golden Retriever
03:00 Kacey i gtg bye
03:01 Dogzilla131 bye
03:01 * aggies gives Neko some food
03:01 kaeza Kacey, aggies: Achievement Unlocked: Steal a channel for tthree pages
03:01 * NekoGloop nibbles it
03:01 * Dogzilla131 now turns to a Labrador Retriever
03:01 * aggies pets Neko
03:01 * Dogzilla131 turns to a chihuahua
03:02 * NekoGloop purrs :3
03:02 * Dogzilla131 wants a pat
03:02 * NekoGloop pets doggy~ :3
03:02 * kaeza is listening to We Won't Get Fooled Again by The Who
03:02 * aggies dropskicks Dogzilla131 as chihuahua
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03:02 kaeza hey RC
03:02 VanessaE hey redcrab
03:02 aggies sup redcrab
03:03 kaeza V: I thought you were dead
03:03 * aggies says who
03:03 kaeza :(
03:03 * aggies is afk
03:05 * aggies is GATman
03:05 VanessaE nope, just going slow now.
03:05 NekoGloop joined #minetest
03:05 NekoGloop It's too hard to disconnect. Dammit.
03:05 kaeza NekoGloop: wat
03:06 NekoGloop s/hard/easy/
03:06 kaeza oh
03:07 VanessaE heh
03:07 * aggies is secretly eminem
03:08 * NekoGloop is secretly the space core
03:08 * aggies is bored
03:08 kaeza aggies: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/22376084.jpg
03:09 * aggies kicks Neko across the universe
03:10 NekoGloop Ssssssssssspppppppppppaaaaaaaaacccccccceeeeeee.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
03:10 aggies I GATman u can't hurt me
03:10 VanessaE ...
03:11 NekoGloop VanessaE: Wut?
03:11 VanessaE nuthin'
03:11 aggies i love sibling rivalerie
03:11 NekoGloop Heh.
03:11 aggies look up GATman and robin and u would c
03:12 kaeza OK, now starting x-compilation to MinGW32. Wish me luck :)
03:12 * aggies makes Neko into venus
03:12 * NekoGloop blows up
03:12 * aggies makes Neko run into the sun as venus
03:13 * NekoGloop reconstitues as the creeper-steve hybrid that is his minecraft skin.
03:13 * aggies eat chocolate pie
03:13 khonkhortisan "space corp"
03:14 kaeza slowbro shows up as khonkhortisan
03:14 * aggies jumps cause khankhotisan is alive
03:14 khonkhortisan firefox was taking 70% mem, with only three tabs
03:14 NekoGloop genghis khan(khortisan)
03:14 kaeza ditch Shitdows
03:14 kaeza :)
03:14 sdzen|away only 70%?
03:14 khonkhortisan yep, still here, just playing rpgs and wrestling with opengl
03:14 NekoGloop kaeza: Firefox is a mem hog on any os.
03:15 khonkhortisan Neko I don't understand you
03:15 sdzen|away it should be taking 100
03:15 kaeza also ditch FF, use Chromium :)
03:15 khonkhortisan oh.
03:15 * khonkhortisan didn't like history class
03:15 NekoGloop Haha.
03:16 aggies http://www.google.com/imgres?num=10&amp;hl=en&amp;tbo=d&amp;biw=1280&amp;bih=691&amp;tbm=isch&amp;tbnid=82WjtBQ3QK4FSM:&amp;imgrefurl=http://creeperblog.com/%3Fcat%3D3%26paged%3D5&amp;docid=U3NoswgCv22NrM&amp;imgurl=http://creeperblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/How-to-Build-a-Minecraft-Creeper.jpg&amp;w=500&amp;h=332&amp;ei=ajC0UPnUD4HI9QSyx4GoCw&amp;zoom=1&amp;iact=rc&amp;dur=2&amp;sig=110153936471635374800&amp;page=1&amp;tbnh=144&amp;tbnw=213&amp;start=0&amp;ndsp=20&amp;ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0,i:178&amp;tx=130&amp;ty=110
03:16 khonkhortisan creeperblog.com^
03:16 jordan4ibanez joined #minetest
03:16 kaeza aggies: nice
03:16 Muadtralk firrefox is Grrrrrrrrreat! though
03:17 jordan4ibanez How do i get keypresses on the latest version?
03:17 kaeza not better that opera
03:17 kaeza hey jordan
03:18 jordan4ibanez Hi JRADKADASDKAS
03:18 jordan4ibanez keraladzm
03:18 AGUAIDFIASFJ http://www.google.com/imgres?num=10&amp;hl=en&amp;tbo=d&amp;biw=1280&amp;bih=691&amp;tbm=isch&amp;tbnid=V1RJ0O_AYhySWM:&amp;imgrefurl=http://creeperblog.com/%3Fp%3D6&amp;docid=4IiboSKrTUUVxM&amp;imgurl=http://creeperblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/creeper.jpg&amp;w=580&amp;h=435&amp;ei=bDC0UNfrHYWs8ATpzICgCA&amp;zoom=1&amp;iact=hc&amp;vpx=374&amp;vpy=386&amp;dur=13&amp;hovh=194&amp;hovw=259&amp;tx=126&amp;ty=141&amp;sig=110153936471635374800&amp;page=1&amp;tbnh=141&amp;tbnw=185&amp;start=0&amp;ndsp=20&amp;ved=1t:429,r:15,s:0,i:211
03:18 OldCoder Right here
03:18 OldCoder What did Kacey want?
03:18 khonkhortisan already saw that by scrolling down
03:18 khonkhortisan don't need another link
03:18 OldCoder Kacey lets go of Neko and bicycle kicks him across the room
03:18 OldCoder That seems dramatic
03:18 OldCoder Blink and you miss the darndest things
03:19 aggies lol
03:19 khonkhortisan so that's what that kick is called
03:19 NekoGloop I dont even know what that was, but i'm the space core so it hurt his foot more.
03:19 kaeza aggies: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/memes/W2x4iH9450iId5W7MfuYvw2.jpg
03:19 OldCoder Yep
03:19 khonkhortisan what is a space core?
03:19 Aggies lol
03:19 NekoGloop Portal 2.
03:19 NekoGloop That is all.
03:20 Sssssppppaaaccee :3
03:20 kaeza Sssssppppaaaccee: lol
03:20 khonkhortisan You got the name right. Horray for tab completion!
03:21 kaeza "I'm in Sssssssssspace!" -- A Creeper
03:22 kaeza khonkhortisan: Do you know my friends? they are Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V
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03:24 kaeza wb
03:24 mrtux Hi redcrap
03:24 mrtux *redcrab
03:24 mrtux whoops
03:24 mrtux sorry
03:24 * VanessaE pokes redcrab
03:24 khonkhortisan this goes along with the theme http://deathonabun.deviantart.com/art/Space-Core-Wallpaper-2-206279211
03:25 khonkhortisan My friend is Mouse Highlight and Middle "Mouse" Button
03:25 khonkhortisan No ctrl-c/v required
03:27 kaeza khonkhortisan: you use linux?
03:27 kaeza http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XUWx0NMsvaQ/TSfu3TRjs4I/AAAAAAAABKw/ZsHMOY2Vibg/s1600/minecraft.jpg
03:27 khonkhortisan yep
03:27 khonkhortisan and have a windows program on a flash drive to do the same thing
03:27 kaeza thought you used shitdows
03:27 kaeza sorry
03:27 khonkhortisan um, the recursion isn't done by scaling.
03:28 khonkhortisan that's impressive
03:28 khonkhortisan ha! The left wire is too high on the second monitor draw
03:29 NekoGloop khonkhortisan: I call that "lack of available detail"
03:29 NekoGloop Redpower microblocks could be helpful there.
03:30 kaeza oppa craft style: http://tpdm.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/minecraft-style-600x300.jpg
03:30 NekoGloop kaeza: No, listen to the song first.
03:30 NekoGloop "Digging minecraft style"
03:34 jordan4ibanez What am i doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Lq4cb355
03:35 kaeza http://www.minecrafthumor.com/images/2012/October/15/507c80861c371.jpg
03:35 jordan4ibanez I'm trying to wrap my head around the basics of this function
03:35 jordan4ibanez Taoki|away: How do i use the set_attachment function?
03:40 kaeza VanessaE: how do you make player textures
03:40 kaeza ?
03:40 VanessaE I don't :-)
03:40 VanessaE I download them
03:40 VanessaE they're just minecraft skins.
03:40 kaeza ok
03:41 kaeza I want to adapt this texture: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=52970#p52970
03:42 VanessaE http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/File:Skinzones.png
03:42 VanessaE this should help
03:42 kaeza thanks V :)
03:42 VanessaE scale the image up or down as needed to get to the resolution you're working with, then copy&paste the various pieces of your player image into the templace.
03:42 VanessaE template*
03:42 VanessaE the template can be any resolution in Minetest as long as the format is correct.
03:43 kaeza oh fuck http://www.planetminecraft.com/blog/hd-x-gen-skin-gordon-freemanhalf-life-2/
03:43 VanessaE lol
03:44 VanessaE well there ya go :-)
03:44 VanessaE want me to assign it to you?
03:44 kaeza should've guessed there should be already one. HL is a 14-years old game after all
03:44 kaeza what?
03:44 kaeza oh yes
03:46 VanessaE installed.
03:46 VanessaE (I kept the old one as a backup)
03:46 kaeza1 joined #minetest
03:46 kaeza1 sorry
03:46 VanessaE it's okay
03:47 VanessaE I installed your new skin, and kept the old one in case you want to revert.
03:47 kaeza1 thanks :))
03:47 jordan4ibanez Mualdtralk
03:47 Muadtralk joined #minetest
03:48 VanessaE no, eppes?  sign in already :-)
03:48 VanessaE nu*
03:49 jordan4ibanez Muadtalk
03:49 NekoGloop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jV9bB-Q7JU
03:49 jordan4ibanez muadtralk
03:50 jordan4ibanez http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3877
03:50 NekoGloop -1 + -1 is -2....
03:51 Muadtralk hmmmm
03:51 jordan4ibanez NO
03:51 Muadtralk i assume youve based this off carts?
03:51 jordan4ibanez Since -1 is not a real number it can be WHATEVER I WNAT
03:51 Muadtralk or at least have looked at it
03:51 jordan4ibanez Yes
03:53 VanessaE last I knew, -1 was, like all negative numbers, still part of the "real numbers" set (in mathematics)
03:54 Muadtralk its not a positive integer though so its not in that set
03:54 Muadtralk so replace "not a real number" with "not a positive integer"
03:55 VanessaE Muadtralk: "real numbers" include negatives.
03:55 jordan4ibanez Nope!
03:55 jordan4ibanez all negatives are imaginary
03:55 NekoGloop http://algebra.freehomeworkmathhelp.com/Numbers/sets_of_all_numbers_subsets.GIF
03:56 NekoGloop Negatives are integers.
03:56 M13 joined #minetest
03:56 jordan4ibanez NOPE
03:56 VanessaE jordan4ibanez, thousands of years of mathematics professors say you're wrong.
03:56 M13 hello
03:56 jordan4ibanez I have -1 apples
03:56 jordan4ibanez IT CANT BE REAL
03:56 Muadtralk yes
03:56 jordan4ibanez You can't work with - numbers in real lyfe
03:56 Muadtralk i was suggesting a possible correction to make it true
03:56 NekoGloop The set of integers contains the negative and positive numbers that have no fractional or decimal part. In other words, the integers consist of all negative and positive whole numbers including 0
03:57 jordan4ibanez muadtralk: wha?
03:57 M13 has KikaRz been here complaining about "her server"
03:57 * dzho hooks jordan4ibanez up to a -120 volt potential
03:57 khonkhortisan the apple is inside out?
03:57 jordan4ibanez I have -123121 atoms
03:57 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: you can quite easily work with them in real life:  I have -1 apples -->  I have lost one apple.
03:58 VanessaE Adding a negative number is equivalent to subtracting its positive.
03:58 jordan4ibanez NOPE, that would be 1 - 1 not -1
03:58 khonkhortisan You have -$50 in your wallet because both you and your friend remember your debt.
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03:58 NekoGloop -1 + -1 = -2
03:58 khonkhortisan n + (-1) = n - (1)
03:59 bulletrulz no -1=-1=1
03:59 dzho anyway "imaginary" is reserved for a different concept
03:59 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: just because you can't work with negative numbers in real life does not mean they don't exist.
03:59 khonkhortisan a 90 degree rotation.
03:59 VanessaE "imaginary" numbers are any value multiplied by sqrt(-1)
03:59 jordan4ibanez -1 + 1 = 0 zero is an imaginary number too
03:59 bulletrulz VanessaE, can i join ur server?
03:59 jordan4ibanez negative numbers are just a concept, they aren't actually real
03:59 VanessaE bulletrulz: sure, got very recent 0.4.4 handy?
03:59 NekoGloop jordan4ibanez: I have $0
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03:59 khonkhortisan the number line simplifies things
04:00 NekoGloop I have -$100
04:00 bulletrulz not 4/3
04:00 khonkhortisan each number is equidistant from the next
04:00 jordan4ibanez Yes, but that means you have 0 dollars which physically is impossible
04:00 NekoGloop jordan4ibanez: How?
04:00 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: of course it is possible - I have zero dollars.
04:00 NekoGloop I have no dollars.
04:00 bulletrulz do i need 4.4 VanessaE
04:00 jordan4ibanez You can't have 0 dollars, it's physically impossible
04:00 * khonkhortisan stretches out hand. Looks in hand. Sees no money.
04:00 dzho "dollars" don't need to be physical
04:00 NekoGloop (A tad literally)
04:00 VanessaE I have none, zippo, broke, busted, zip, zilch, and a whole lotta nada.
04:00 jordan4ibanez But you would need to have at least 1 dollar to have a number of physical dollars
04:00 VanessaE bulletrulz: it is ZERO POINT FOUR POINT FOUR.  and yes it is required.
04:01 khonkhortisan if the concept of "dollar" is defined, you don't have any number other than zero of them.
04:01 khonkhortisan *is not defined
04:01 jordan4ibanez The concept of -1 is imaginary, it's not physical
04:01 bulletrulz VanessaE, where do i get it?
04:01 NekoGloop If T_A_N_K tries to math, we all die.
04:01 jordan4ibanez There's 0, and 1
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04:01 khonkhortisan the car I'm looking at is -5 feet behind me. What's wrong with that?
04:01 VanessaE bulletrulz: you have to compile it from source code for now.
04:01 * dzho giggles at the thought of jordan4ibanez trying to grasp the difference between countably infinite and uncountably infinite
04:01 VanessaE bulletrulz: binaries have not been released yet.
04:01 jordan4ibanez Lol, i just wanted to see how long i could keep this going on for
04:01 bulletrulz ok
04:02 jordan4ibanez I know -1 is real XD
04:02 khonkhortisan but now we have countable and uncountable
04:02 VanessaE khonkhortisan: well to be pedantic, if it's -5 feet in front of you, it's (positive) 5 feet *behind* you :D
04:02 jordan4ibanez No math lessons, only butthurt
04:02 khonkhortisan yep, but that's the other direction than I said
04:02 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, is correcy
04:02 khonkhortisan and I wouldn't see it then
04:02 * khonkhortisan looks up "pedantic"
04:03 jordan4ibanez Physically, you can't be negative, but mentally you can
04:03 bulletrulz VanessaE, Can you give me the link to the source
04:03 jordan4ibanez ROBOTICALLY YOU CAN BE ANYTHING
04:03 khonkhortisan direction can easily be negative, just swap the origin and the point, but leave the axes the same
04:04 jordan4ibanez But then that becomes mental math
04:04 jordan4ibanez And you won't like mental math
04:04 jordan4ibanez Here, everyone learn from yahoo http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080225122726AAHJLct
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04:05 VanessaE bulletrulz: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest and https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game
04:06 bulletrulz thank toy
04:06 VanessaE bulletrulz: follow the readme carefully
04:06 VanessaE I ain't no toy :-)
04:06 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, is right a negitive plus a negitive always EQAULS  a postive
04:06 khonkhortisan "real" as differentiated from imaginary numbers only.
04:06 jordan4ibanez But a negative * positive always equals negative
04:06 NekoGloop bulletrulz: Nope.
04:06 jordan4ibanez WHAAAAAAAAAAAA
04:06 VanessaE bulletrulz: wrong.
04:07 NekoGloop Negative plus a negative is a negative.
04:07 khonkhortisan (-1) + (-2) = -3
04:07 bulletrulz ye
04:07 VanessaE add two negatives, the result is negative.  Multiply them and the result is always positive.
04:07 khonkhortisan (-1) x (-2) = 2
04:07 NekoGloop Negative minus a positive is a negative
04:07 bulletrulz NEGITIVE PLUS A NEGITIVE = a posive
04:07 VanessaE bulletrulz: wrong.
04:07 bulletrulz dude this is 4th grade math!
04:07 bulletrulz no
04:07 bulletrulz its not
04:07 VanessaE bulletrulz: add two negatives, the result is negative.  Multiply them and the result is always positive.
04:07 khonkhortisan how is that wrong?
04:07 khonkhortisan making a negative more negative keeps it negative
04:08 VanessaE bulletrulz: it is wrong.  adding two negatives is the same as subtracting both from zero.
04:08 khonkhortisan (-1) - 2 = -3
04:08 VanessaE -1 + -1 = 0 - 1 - 1 = -2
04:08 jordan4ibanez 1+2+3 = 3+2+1
04:08 VanessaE bulletrulz: ask any math teacher.  they will agree with me.
04:08 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, XD
04:08 VanessaE (and khonkhortisan and NekoGloop)
04:09 jordan4ibanez And don't even get me started on pi
04:09 NekoGloop -& + € = %
04:09 jordan4ibanez pi = 3
04:09 VanessaE 3.141592653 ...is as far as I can remember it :-)
04:09 NekoGloop pi = tasty
04:09 dzho euler's gamma, though:  they don't even know if it's irrational or transcendental
04:09 jordan4ibanez pi = 3 * 1/1222233333344444
04:10 dzho 32
04:10 dzho d'oh
04:10 kaeza Sorry I'm late, but how can a circle be perfect if PI is irrational?
04:10 jordan4ibanez A circle is perfect, pi is just wrong
04:10 bulletrulz pi = 3.14 whats 3.14 upside down and flipped around :O
04:10 VanessaE kaeza: because pi is merely a ratio :-)
04:10 jordan4ibanez 41.3
04:11 bulletrulz oh
04:11 kaeza yes, but let's say a circle whose diameter is 1cm is ~3.1416
04:11 bulletrulz lol turn the 4 around
04:11 bulletrulz pie O:
04:11 bulletrulz 3.14 in a mirror is PIE!
04:11 bulletrulz :O
04:11 VanessaE kaeza: because we can't measure it precisely.
04:12 jordan4ibanez Lol, i think linux will never be successful
04:12 kaeza aaargh It's hard to explain my point
04:12 dzho because if it were successful, none dare call it linux
04:12 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, i think your wrong!
04:12 kaeza this^
04:12 jordan4ibanez bulletrulz: egoraptor
04:12 dzho they'd call it something different, like, say . . . "Android"
04:12 bulletrulz when did jordan4ibanez turn in to a windows nazi
04:13 kaeza shitdows*
04:13 VanessaE kaeza: it would be ~3.1415927 cm in diameter, but only because we don't have any shorthand to give an exact figure except pi * diameter :-)
04:13 jordan4ibanez I have a successful version of linux, it's called pcbsd
04:13 VanessaE kaeza: so as a workaround, we just round it.
04:13 jordan4ibanez I think i've successfully gotten this irc butthurt to  âˆž
04:14 VanessaE heh
04:14 kaeza yeah, but the problem is it's not the same (d * 3.1416) than (d * 3.1415927) etc etc
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04:14 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, 2010-2011 cool guy T_A_N_K/jordan4ibanez 2012 windows nazi
04:14 VanessaE kaeza: right, which is why we just shorten ~3.1415... to "pi"
04:14 kaeza gone
04:14 VanessaE "pi" literally IS a number, and at present is what, a trillion digits long now?
04:15 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez is dead to me
04:15 kaeza maybe
04:15 VanessaE I forget how far out they've calculated it
04:16 kaeza but even if it had a trillion digits, it would still not be the same as one trillion and one digit
04:16 VanessaE far enough to measure the circumference of the galaxy with an error smaller than the Planck length or some such :-)
04:16 NekoGloop VanessaE: There's a program that is currently running on a website, calculating pi.
04:16 kaeza ok nevermind, I suck at math anyway
04:17 kaeza NekoGloop: how do they that? beats me
04:17 NekoGloop Minecraft gets piFPS on my computer.
04:17 kaeza NekoGloop: lol
04:17 NekoGloop kaeza: Easy....
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04:18 NekoGloop SOME EXCEPTION: Dont care.
04:18 OldCoder redcrab, hi
04:18 kaeza hey RC
04:18 bulletrulz VanessaE, check the messege
04:19 kaeza wat
04:19 kaeza NekoGloop: wat
04:19 bulletrulz CMake Error: CMake was unable to find a build program corresponding to "Unix Makefiles".  CMAKE_MAKE_PROGRAM is not set.  You probably need to select a different build tool.
04:19 bulletrulz CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly.
04:19 bulletrulz Missing variable is:
04:19 bulletrulz CMAKE_C_COMPILER_ENV_VAR
04:19 bulletrulz CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly.
04:19 bulletrulz Missing variable is:
04:19 bulletrulz CMAKE_C_COMPILER
04:19 bulletrulz CMake Error: Could not find cmake module file:/home/brandon/Desktop/minetest/CMakeFiles/CMakeCCompiler.cmake
04:19 VanessaE bulletrulz:  don't paste!!!!!
04:19 bulletrulz CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly.
04:19 bulletrulz Missing variable is:
04:19 bulletrulz CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER_ENV_VAR
04:19 bulletrulz CMake Error: Error required internal CMake variable not set, cmake may be not be built correctly.
04:19 bulletrulz Missing variable is:
04:19 bulletrulz CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER
04:19 bulletrulz CMake Error: Could not find cmake module file:/home/brandon/Desktop/minetest/CMakeFiles/CMakeCXXCompiler.cmake
04:19 bulletrulz CMake Error: CMAKE_C_COMPILER not set, after EnableLanguage
04:20 bulletrulz CMake Error: CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER not set, after EnableLanguage
04:20 bulletrulz -- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
04:20 VanessaE STOP STOP STOP STOP
04:20 VanessaE STOP STOP STOP STOP
04:20 VanessaE STOP STOP STOP STOP
04:20 bulletrulz ok
04:20 bulletrulz lol
04:20 bulletrulz xD not really a big deal
04:20 VanessaE do NOT paste in the channel!
04:20 bulletrulz ok
04:20 bulletrulz ok
04:20 VanessaE anyway, I can't help you with compiling on Windows
04:20 kaeza wowowow
04:20 kaeza stop it!
04:20 VanessaE except that you obviously need a compiler :-)
04:20 bulletrulz VanessaE, im using linux
04:20 VanessaE bulletrulz: you didn't follow the readme like I told you to.
04:20 bulletrulz i did
04:20 VanessaE otherwise you'd have a compiler now.
04:21 kaeza maybe CMake is not installed correctly?
04:21 VanessaE bulletrulz: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L78
04:21 bulletrulz VanessaE, i have it
04:21 kaeza did you install from the package manager?
04:21 VanessaE bulletrulz: please notice the apt-get install line.
04:21 bulletrulz there must be some dipendisie isshues
04:21 VanessaE (line 82, make sure you can see the whole thing)
04:22 VanessaE sudo apt-get install build-essential libirrlicht-dev cmake libbz2-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libsqlite3-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev
04:22 VanessaE run that, then try again.
04:23 bulletrulz VanessaE, ty
04:24 bulletrulz VanessaE, you have 3d players installed right?
04:25 bulletrulz my internet is being a douch
04:25 bulletrulz 65 kb???!!
04:25 bulletrulz its ussualy 400kb
04:25 bulletrulz maybe its apt-get
04:26 VanessaE 0.4.4 is 3d yes.
04:26 bulletrulz VanessaE, wait 3d is included by defualt?
04:26 Muadtralk yep!
04:26 VanessaE yes
04:26 VanessaE in 0.4.4 and up.
04:26 bulletrulz :D
04:26 bulletrulz tat
04:26 bulletrulz yay
04:26 bulletrulz !
04:26 bulletrulz can we change skin?
04:27 Muadtralk and model
04:27 bulletrulz for diffrent players?
04:27 VanessaE yes, with the player_textures mod for now
04:27 bulletrulz ::DDDDDD
04:27 Muadtralk should someone ever make a different model that is
04:27 bulletrulz yay
04:27 VanessaE I have that installed, so if you manage to get 0.4.4 compiled, give me a skin to use and I'll plug it in for you.
04:27 bulletrulz what skins will work>
04:27 bulletrulz minecraft skins?
04:27 Muadtralk yep
04:28 bulletrulz minecraft skins will work VanessaE
04:28 kaeza V: I don't seem to be able to connect
04:28 Muadtralk also my server supports different player textures
04:28 Muadtralk so if your ever on zenoheld
04:28 kaeza maybe it's that bloated ambience mod
04:28 Muadtralk ring me up!
04:28 kaeza Muadtralk: IP?
04:28 Muadtralk minecraft skins work
04:29 VanessaE kaeza: the server is up?
04:29 Muadtralk minetest.sytes.net:30000 for survival 30001 for semi creative
04:29 * bulletrulz is doing the happy dance
04:29 kaeza I get to "Downloading media" so i think yes it's up
04:29 bulletrulz now we need to be able to see what players have in there hand
04:29 OldCoder There is a script to check this
04:29 VanessaE kaeza: wait it out, remember RBA's technic and ambiance are in, so they're huge
04:30 VanessaE plus remember the crappy network code and your internet :-)
04:30 OldCoder Both are up
04:30 kaeza yup :(
04:30 kaeza :okay:
04:30 VanessaE bulletrulz: "their", and that'll come soon enough.
04:30 OldCoder I should add that script to a page
04:31 kaeza and on that topic, maybe make the head turn up/down
04:31 kaeza just tossing ideas
04:31 bulletrulz building!
04:31 kaeza not that i'm complaining or anything
04:31 bulletrulz 18%
04:31 bulletrulz 19 ll
04:31 bulletrulz CANT WAIT!
04:32 kaeza Minetest binaries version 0.4.4 for Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin): https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/minetest/minetest-0.4.4.tar.bz2
04:32 * sokomine pushes some mods in redcrabs direction and hopes he doesn't notice :-)
04:33 * bulletrulz SAYS Hey sokomine i saw that
04:33 kaeza does not include minetest_game
04:33 bulletrulz 32% ::D:DDDD:D:D:D:
04:34 bulletrulz kaeza, wtf man
04:34 bulletrulz im building mine right now
04:34 bulletrulz lol
04:34 bulletrulz i could of jusst downloaded that XXXDDD
04:34 bulletrulz might as well let it make
04:35 bulletrulz i got docky to work in lubuntu
04:35 bulletrulz S:
04:35 kaeza I was uploading when you said you built it :)
04:35 bulletrulz kaeza, YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!LOL
04:36 bulletrulz 45% :D
04:36 kaeza yes I am >:)
04:36 bulletrulz lol you either a dog or you just called your mom a bitch !XD
04:37 kaeza a bit of both
04:37 bulletrulz xDDDD
04:38 bulletrulz kaeza, your a cool guy what os u got?
04:38 mrtux night
04:38 kaeza http://www.troll.me/images2/grammar-correction-guy/-youre.jpg
04:38 bulletrulz lol
04:39 bulletrulz 61%
04:39 kaeza Ihave DOS 5.0
04:39 kaeza #YOLO
04:39 kaeza J/K
04:40 bulletrulz lol
04:40 kaeza <sarcasm>guess what? Ubuntu 12.04!! OMG!! That's unexpected!!</sarcasm>
04:40 bulletrulz apple or microsoft dos XD
04:40 bulletrulz kaeza, so ubuntu
04:40 kaeza yep
04:41 bulletrulz i got lubuntu 12.10
04:41 bulletrulz with docky xD
04:42 bulletrulz i think ill stick with it too
04:42 kaeza https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/Captura%20de%20pantalla%20de%202012-11-27%2002%3A38%3A31.png
04:44 kaeza left #minetest
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04:45 kaeza back
04:45 kaeza sorry
04:45 VanessaE wb
04:45 VanessaE what's with the screenshot?
04:45 bulletrulz lol
04:45 kaeza just showing off
04:45 bulletrulz VanessaE, almost dont builfinh
04:45 bulletrulz 99
04:46 kaeza btw it seems Muadtralk is gone
04:46 bulletrulz 99%
04:46 bulletrulz 100%
04:46 bulletrulz hes dead jim
04:46 VanessaE eh?
04:46 NekoGloop Um...
04:46 NekoGloop He left about 15 mins ago.
04:46 kaeza he posted a link to a server but the server is still 0.4.3
04:47 kaeza nvm
04:47 bulletrulz VanessaE,
04:47 bulletrulz can i have the server ip?
04:48 VanessaE did you find a player skin you want me to use?
04:48 bulletrulz oh i can use minecraft ones right?
04:48 VanessaE yes
04:48 VanessaE give me the address of the skin and I will install it for you
04:49 bulletrulz pl
04:49 bulletrulz ok
04:49 bulletrulz VanessaE, http://www.minecraftskins.com/skin/152857/slenderman/
04:50 VanessaE Ok.  You will use the name "bulletrulz" as you spelled it here?
04:50 bulletrulz yes
04:51 kaeza bulletrulz: nice skin
04:51 VanessaE ok.  The skin is installed.  Server is at 24.181.193.82 port 30000
04:51 VanessaE please note that the server is very laggy for reasons that are as yet out of my control.
04:52 VanessaE wait..
04:52 VanessaE gotta fix something.
04:52 bulletrulz noo ok
04:54 bulletrulz done?
04:54 VanessaE not yet.
04:54 VanessaE don't connect,.
04:54 VanessaE I ain't done
04:54 VanessaE ok, now it's ready.
04:55 bulletrulz 0% media!!!
04:55 VanessaE heh, looks like the anonymous guy :-)
04:56 VanessaE it'll take a long time for the media to come in.  like 5-10 minutes.
04:56 VanessaE give it time.
04:56 bulletrulz VanessaE, slender man is a thing from something awful forums
04:56 VanessaE this will improve in the near future.
04:56 bulletrulz ender man is based of of this
04:56 bulletrulz ok ill go take a shower
04:56 bulletrulz be back and it should be done
04:56 VanessaE ok
04:59 khonkhortisan haha so I google "how to create a multiplayer game in c++", get to stackoverflow which recommends raknet, who has a featured customer minecraft pocket edition, a variation of the game this game "copies". I can't get away!
04:59 VanessaE heh
04:59 VanessaE sounds like we need a 6 degrees of minetest website now ;-)
04:59 VanessaE (or -minecraft)
05:02 kaeza been playing a bit with the port to C++ of minetestmapper. It's full of awesomeness!
05:02 VanessaE cool :-)
05:02 VanessaE So you're saying it's Awesomesauceâ„¢?
05:03 kaeza yup :)
05:03 VanessaE (Awesomesauce and the Awesomesauce logo are TM and © 2012 by Mark Traceur)
05:03 VanessaE ;)
05:03 Aqua joined #minetest
05:04 * kaeza is waiting in court  before MarkTraceur sues him
05:04 VanessaE hahaha
05:04 kaeza :)
05:04 kaeza hey Aqua
05:04 marktraceur kaeza: It's OK, I released the rights to the C++ port because I'm happy to have it represent the Awesomesauce brand.
05:04 kaeza lol
05:05 VanessaE bahahahahaa
05:05 kaeza posting pic in 3...2...1...
05:05 VanessaE and of course he shows up :D
05:05 Aqua hi
05:05 VanessaE hey marki
05:05 VanessaE mark*
05:05 marktraceur VanessaE: I got highlighted!
05:06 VanessaE I blame kaeza :D
05:06 kaeza lolol
05:09 kaeza marktraceur: now that you mention it, I never had the honor to see you around here
05:09 marktraceur VanessaE: No, it was you!
05:09 marktraceur kaeza: Pleased to meet you ):
05:09 marktraceur :)*
05:09 kaeza same here :)
05:09 VanessaE I plead the 5th, your honor. :D
05:11 VanessaE gotta run.  Have fun on the server.
05:11 kaeza still 0% media
05:11 kaeza :(
05:11 kaeza ok
05:11 kaeza later then ;)
05:11 VanessaE marktraceur: 24.181.193.82 port 30000 -- using the very latest 0.4.4, if you have the patience to deal with the lag :-)
05:12 marktraceur VanessaE: Meh, I'm happy with stable versions for now
05:12 VanessaE kaeza, bulletrulz you know what, that ambience mod adds too much.  It's gotta go.
05:12 kaeza I agree
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05:13 VanessaE mod deleted, server restarted.
05:13 jordan4ibanez Comiceos6
05:13 jordan4ibanez Most polished linux distro I've ever used
05:13 kaeza V: going in
05:14 VanessaE marktraceur: 3d models? :-)
05:14 kaeza jordan4ibanes: cool
05:14 kaeza ibanez*
05:15 Aqua ibanez is a brand of guitar/bass :
05:15 Aqua ):)
05:15 Aqua :)
05:15 jordan4ibanez Like I'm not kidding, this feels more polished than windows 7 holy shit
05:16 marktraceur kaeza: Use tab completion!
05:16 marktraceur kaeza: Type (e.g.) V<tab> to get VanessaE.
05:16 kaeza oh
05:17 VanessaE marktraceur: anyway, 0.4.4 seems stable enough and it now has 3d player models by default.  It IS pure Awesomesauceâ„¢ :-)
05:20 VanessaE and, I'm off to bed.
05:20 VanessaE night all.
05:20 kaeza night V
05:23 kaeza bulletrulz: you still here
05:23 kaeza ?
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05:28 Aqua herro
05:34 bulletrulz back
05:36 bulletrulz lol
05:36 bulletrulz anyone on vs server
05:36 bulletrulz ?
05:36 kaeza bulletrulz: is the server ok?
05:37 kaeza I can see you
05:37 bulletrulz yay am i slenderman?
05:41 bulletrulz VanessaE,
05:41 bulletrulz how do i get privs????!!!!!
05:41 bulletrulz nooooo
05:42 kaeza shhhh
05:42 kaeza she's sleeping
05:42 kaeza :)
05:42 bulletrulz lol WAKE UP VanessaE
05:43 bulletrulz somebody help lol
05:43 khonkhortisan "and it now has 3d player models by default." Never thought I'd hear it.
05:48 bulletrulz any admins for vs server online?
05:50 kaeza bulletrulz: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1080481738.png
06:00 Aqua herro
06:02 OldCoder Back
06:02 Aqua amazing 3d !!!!!
06:02 OldCoder bulletrulz, Hi
06:03 Aqua hey oldcoader is port fowarding dangerous?
06:03 Aqua cos i wanna start a server on windows
06:04 bulletrulz OldCoder, do u have prics on vs server>
06:05 Aqua oc???
06:05 kaeza wb coder
06:06 bulletrulz OldCoder, D:
06:07 OldCoder bulletrulz, hi. What's the question?
06:07 OldCoder Aqua, indicate what you mean. Are you asking me to forward to you?
06:08 Aqua port foward to make a server
06:08 bulletrulz OldCoder, i need help on VanessaE server i dont have privs can u give me some
06:14 OldCoder I don't have admin there bulletrulz
06:14 OldCoder It isn't one of mine
06:14 OldCoder Aqua, Explain
06:14 Aqua 1. Start the server on a port (set in minetest.conf as port = ####) 2. Find the internal LAN IP of the computer the you are running the server on (example: 192.168.1.100) 3. Use port forwarding from the router to forward port #### to the internal LAN IP 3.a  If any firewalls are present, they must allow the port to pass traffic as well. 4. Let your friends know what your internet IP is (you can find this by looking at your router's s
06:14 Aqua is there another way?
06:16 Aqua ?
06:16 Aqua kaeza
06:16 Aqua khonk
06:16 kaeza what?
06:16 OldCoder Reading
06:16 OldCoder Ah
06:16 Aqua http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1037
06:16 OldCoder You mean port forwarding at that level
06:16 OldCoder R
06:16 OldCoder Reviewing
06:16 Aqua yeh
06:16 OldCoder One minute
06:17 OldCoder For a single UDP port at 30000 should be perfectly safe
06:17 OldCoder except for
06:17 OldCoder any risks inherent in the software itself
06:17 OldCoder There is no other way that I am aware of
06:17 bulletrulz opera is a good browser
06:17 OldCoder It is O.K. yes
06:18 OldCoder Aqua, you must forward because otherwise how will packets get to the software?
06:18 Aqua what bout this way?
06:18 Aqua Open command prompt by going in the Minetest installation folder, then in the "bin" folder, hold Shift, do a right click on a empty file (not on minetest.exe), click "Open command window here".     Type this, without quotes: "minetest.exe --server".         If you get the error "Multiple worlds are available.", use "minetest.exe --server --worldname world_name" instead, where world_name is the name of the world.      If your serv
06:19 OldCoder Aqua, that is too long
06:19 bulletrulz i like qupzilla though
06:19 OldCoder It cannot be read here
06:19 OldCoder Aqua, paste it to a paste site as I did not receive it
06:19 OldCoder bulletrulz, one moment
06:20 Aqua http://wiki.minetest.com/wiki/Setting_up_a_server
06:20 OldCoder bulletrulz, Thank you. Never tried that one. I'll need to build it.
06:20 Aqua or is this outdated?
06:20 bulletrulz OldCoder, its got packages
06:20 bulletrulz debian
06:20 bulletrulz fedora
06:20 OldCoder Aqua, that part has nothing to do with forwarding
06:20 OldCoder bulletrulz, I build all my software
06:20 bulletrulz why lol
06:20 OldCoder I do not use packages except when essential
06:20 OldCoder Because I run my own Linux distro
06:20 OldCoder There is no other way
06:21 bulletrulz oh
06:21 Aqua i have windows
06:21 OldCoder Aqua, You must forward ports if you have a router
06:21 bulletrulz Aqua, switch to liux
06:21 OldCoder bulletrulz, Wait
06:21 OldCoder bulletrulz, one issue at a time
06:21 bulletrulz linux is better Aq
06:21 OldCoder Aqua, what is the current question or issue?
06:21 khonkhortisan khonk semi-present
06:21 OldCoder khonkhortisan, hi
06:21 Aqua khonk is gameboom down?
06:21 Aqua forever?
06:22 Aqua how to make a server on windows.
06:22 khonkhortisan haven't played recently
06:22 khonkhortisan been to redcrab more recently than gameboom
06:22 anunakki joined #minetest
06:22 bulletrulz i used to be a mod on redcrab
06:22 Aqua gameboom has been shut down :)
06:23 Aqua u used to be a mod?
06:23 Aqua oc how do u host a serevr?
06:23 OldCoder Aqua, they have lost the world before
06:23 OldCoder Aqua, Only about 20 of them :-)
06:23 OldCoder http://minetest.org/
06:23 OldCoder ^ See list and screenshots
06:23 OldCoder Oh
06:24 OldCoder I misunderstood
06:24 OldCoder Aqua, what is your question?
06:24 Aqua oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 Aqua oc how do u host a serevr?
06:24 OldCoder Aqua, do not flood
06:24 Aqua spam?
06:24 OldCoder No
06:24 OldCoder That is flood not spam
06:24 OldCoder Aqua, I see the question
06:24 Aqua whats the difefernce?
06:24 OldCoder Flood is too long
06:24 Aqua whats the difefernce?
06:24 OldCoder Spam is several other things
06:24 Aqua whats the difefernce?
06:25 Aqua whats the difefernce?
06:25 OldCoder Aqua, I will kick you
06:25 Aqua ok
06:25 OldCoder It is late and I am tired
06:25 Aqua ill stop
06:25 OldCoder Show some courtesy and I will answer your questions
06:25 * marktraceur is 100% in favor of kicking
06:25 OldCoder Now...
06:25 OldCoder Aqua, can you explain your question?
06:25 OldCoder What do you mean?
06:25 OldCoder About host a server?
06:26 OldCoder Be patient and try to explain
06:26 Aqua i wanna start a server and im stuck in port fowarding i think i kinow how but i just wanted to ask is it dangerous to the laptop or watever?
06:26 OldCoder No
06:26 OldCoder Not for this
06:26 OldCoder It is just one port at UDP 30000
06:26 OldCoder Risk is not large
06:27 Aqua ive heard that there could be viruses or something?
06:28 OldCoder Aqua, You run the same risk with or without port forwarding
06:28 OldCoder It is not the issue
06:28 OldCoder Port forwarding will not give the system cancer
06:28 OldCoder Not for one port at UDP 30000
06:28 OldCoder For Windows there are risks with everything
06:29 OldCoder You should consider a switch to Linux someday
06:29 marktraceur Aqua: Even better, switch to GNU/Linux: Security *and* functionality!
06:29 OldCoder As I said :p
06:29 * marktraceur enjoys ribbing the people in this channel about terminology sometimes :)
06:29 OldCoder Though your explanation marktraceur is better
06:29 OldCoder Fair nuff
06:31 Aqua yep vanessaE told me to switch to kubuntu but will it run on a 5 or 6 yr old windows xp with terrible processor(centrino duo)
06:32 kaeza Aqua: You should try PuppyLinux http://puppylinux.org/
06:32 VanessaE actually I said Xubuntu, but Kubuntu is okay.
06:32 VanessaE also, hi.
06:32 VanessaE so much for sleep, got too hungry
06:32 Aqua who said kubuntu?
06:32 VanessaE I see bullet made it into the server.
06:32 kaeza hey V!
06:32 VanessaE [11-27 01:31] <Aqua> yep vanessaE told me to switch to kubuntu [...]
06:32 VanessaE you did :)
06:33 kaeza thought you were sleeping
06:33 VanessaE kaeza: I was trying to.  Got too hungry to sleep.
06:33 OldCoder She may have drifted off for a bit
06:33 Aqua i forgot who it was.......
06:33 kaeza can you give bullet interact privs?
06:33 VanessaE got a protein shake/smoothie on hand now.
06:33 OldCoder VanessaE, I can visit your world now if you like
06:33 kaeza you always thinking about food...
06:33 OldCoder kaeza, food is good
06:33 VanessaE Aqua: don't remember, but I seem to recall Linus Torvalds likes KDE anyway
06:33 VanessaE OldCoder: please do :-)
06:34 Aqua mark is ur server up?
06:34 VanessaE ah I forgot to give bulletrulz interact.  shit.
06:34 Aqua really looking for new server
06:34 kaeza YOU SUCK :)
06:35 kaeza lol
06:35 VanessaE :P
06:35 OldCoder VanessaE, location again?
06:35 OldCoder ty
06:35 VanessaE Aqua: try mine :-)
06:35 VanessaE OldCoder: 24.181.193.82 port 30000
06:35 kaeza I was in it until a few minutes ago
06:36 marktraceur Aqua: I'd suggest using Trisquel GNU/Linux, it works fairly well on most machines that I've tried.
06:36 kaeza NO MORE LAG!! YAY!!
06:36 khonkhortisan VanessaE, what brand?
06:36 VanessaE bullet has interact now when he shows up.
06:36 Aqua but i dont have 0.4.4
06:36 VanessaE khonkhortisan: er, Body Fortress I think, PB and Chocolate.
06:36 kaeza it seems he's gone
06:36 VanessaE Aqua: get it. :-)
06:36 kaeza R.I.P
06:36 VanessaE kaeza: I know.
06:36 Aqua mark is ur server up?
06:36 khonkhortisan don't know that one
06:36 marktraceur Aqua: Are you asking me?
06:36 VanessaE kaeza: I disabled interact by default to prevent griefing
06:37 Aqua i dont have linux?
06:37 Aqua yes
06:37 khonkhortisan is it safe to update minetest git?
06:37 VanessaE Aqua: build it from sources? ;)
06:37 Aqua can i get 0.4.4 on windosws?
06:37 OldCoder VanessaE, visiting
06:37 marktraceur Aqua: Use tab-completion to avoid ambiguity. Type mark<TAB> to get my name.
06:37 OldCoder VanessaE, is it 0.4.3 or 0.4.4 ?
06:37 marktraceur Aqua: Besides, I don't know what server you mean....I've run multiple ones.
06:37 VanessaE ooooo
06:37 kaeza Aqua: you use linux right?
06:37 kaeza nope
06:37 VanessaE hats have been pushed to git master!
06:37 Aqua mark: in ur server up
06:38 VanessaE server going down for upgrade!
06:38 khonkhortisan khon<tab> = khonkhortisan
06:38 kaeza HATS! We are Valve now!
06:38 Aqua vaneesa can u make it 0.4.3?
06:38 marktraceur Aqua: Which server?
06:38 khonkhortisan hats? I'm so far behind
06:38 Aqua i only see one in ur topics
06:39 Aqua http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=505
06:39 marktraceur Aqua: marktraceur.info?
06:39 VanessaE Aqua: no.  this is 0.4.4 and up only.
06:39 Aqua yeh
06:39 marktraceur Aqua: That one is not up, no.
06:39 OldCoder VanessaE, I don't have 0.4.4 yet; will need to wait
06:39 Aqua what other do u have thats up?
06:39 VanessaE OldCoder: s'ok, just tell me when you're ready.
06:39 kaeza OldCoder: what OS do you use?
06:39 marktraceur Aqua: I actually shouldn't say, the server hasn't officially launched yet.
06:39 Aqua :( i really need a server
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06:40 Aqua so bored playing on nubelites server no one on
06:40 Aqua how can i get 0.4.4 on windows?
06:40 VanessaE Aqua: bug the usual windows build guys or build it yourself :-)
06:41 Aqua do i have to download it first?
06:41 VanessaE OldCoder, kaeza, whoever else:  server is up.
06:42 kaeza k
06:42 kaeza going in
06:42 kaeza you did not put ambiance back right?
06:42 kaeza ambience*
06:42 VanessaE I killed ambience.
06:43 kaeza +10000000
06:43 VanessaE it's history
06:43 VanessaE I don't like it for server use, but it's nice for singleplayer
06:43 * kaeza hands VanessaE a gift card for 10000 Internetz
06:44 VanessaE in order to see hats on players you will also need to update your client btw.
06:45 Aqua where can i get 0.4.4?
06:45 VanessaE (I don't see your glasses)
06:45 VanessaE Aqua: source code, from the usual git repositories.
06:54 VanessaE well I guess the hats code is NOT in yet.
06:54 VanessaE just re-checked the commit log, I must have misunderstood.  Oh well
06:55 VanessaE or wait...
06:55 VanessaE oh I know why.
06:56 VanessaE ok, let's try it now.
06:56 VanessaE kaeza: any time you're ready
06:56 kaeza you upgraded?
06:57 kaeza diving in
06:57 VanessaE I forgot to copy the new minetest_game over into my game folder.
06:57 VanessaE much better.
06:57 VanessaE you have glasses now :D
06:57 kaeza oh
06:57 kaeza do I look like Freeman?
06:57 VanessaE yup
06:58 VanessaE you did before, just didn't have the "hat" (glasses) on.
06:58 kaeza can you post a pic?
06:58 kaeza "hat" glasses.... sounds silly
06:58 kaeza :)
06:59 kaeza BTW was the lag problem something in the code?
06:59 VanessaE well that'
06:59 VanessaE that's how they're implemented.
06:59 VanessaE I dunno, I didn't change anything in the code.  I just ditched that ambiance mod is all.
06:59 kaeza k
06:59 VanessaE stand by
06:59 VanessaE take a screenie of me also
06:59 kaeza k
07:01 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_1084979642.png
07:01 VanessaE there's you
07:01 kaeza here is yours : https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1084756596.jpg
07:02 kaeza cool
07:02 VanessaE well from the front would be nice :-)
07:02 VanessaE stop looking at my ass :D
07:02 VanessaE wait
07:02 VanessaE what are you doing?
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07:03 VanessaE you keep circling me
07:03 kaeza no u
07:03 kaeza here: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1084890248.jpg
07:03 VanessaE I keep turning to face you :D
07:04 VanessaE that's my back side :-)
07:04 VanessaE but I see the ribbon in my hair, so that works :-)
07:05 kaeza so the other one is the front side
07:05 VanessaE I'm standing facing you now.
07:05 VanessaE why is my face covered in black?
07:06 kaeza there is your front: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1085046798.jpg
07:06 kaeza dunno
07:06 VanessaE wtf?
07:06 VanessaE that can't be right.
07:06 kaeza I was gonna ask you the same
07:06 * VanessaE checks the skin file...
07:06 khonkhortisan look for transparency?
07:07 kaeza maybe you forgot the alpha channel?
07:07 VanessaE hm, skin file looks okay
07:08 VanessaE must be a bug.
07:08 kaeza hmm
07:08 kaeza may i take a look at the skin?
07:09 VanessaE hold a sec.
07:09 VanessaE Oh, I know
07:09 VanessaE you need to update your client.
07:09 VanessaE it looks fine from my testuser client.
07:09 VanessaE (which is up-to-date)
07:09 kaeza ok
07:10 kaeza the testuser also looks black from my client
07:10 VanessaE yeah, better update.
07:10 kaeza gonna rebuild
07:10 VanessaE I remember taoki said clients would have to be updated to avoid weird transparency bugs
07:10 VanessaE or something to that effect.
07:12 kaeza do I need the latest minetest_game too?
07:14 kaeza k
07:14 kaeza building
07:14 VanessaE yes
07:14 VanessaE well, I think so
07:14 VanessaE may as well have it on hand anyway
07:15 khonkhortisan I see my flowing water mod is obsolete
07:15 VanessaE yup
07:15 khonkhortisan that's what I wanted
07:15 VanessaE but the engine or game or whatever still needs tweaked
07:16 OldCoder VanessaE, I don't have 0.4.4 yet
07:16 VanessaE some angles and directions of flowing water look like they flow uphill
07:16 VanessaE OldCoder: grab the very latest git (engine and minetest_game)
07:16 VanessaE no excuses :D
07:18 VanessaE hey thomas
07:18 khonkhortisan wow, that's odd. I'm using the programmer dvorak layout (which makes the 4 key be a } and a 3 when shifted). I'm typing in the address to the minetest server, and press right shift+3 and minetest starts connecting
07:19 VanessaE khonkhortisan: hah!  you just joined as I was restarting the server
07:19 VanessaE you may want to sign off/on again :-)
07:20 khonkhortisan Client disconnected, instead of the server this time
07:21 thomas hiya VanessaE :)
07:21 * VanessaE watches khonkhortisan walk in mid-air :D
07:21 khonkhortisan black screen of death
07:21 khonkhortisan there's the nodes loading
07:22 khonkhortisan and the talking segfault.
07:22 VanessaE haha
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07:22 * kaeza1 wants to kill the modem
07:22 * khonkhortisan already did that, it won't save changes to settings
07:22 VanessaE kaeza1: got the latest git?  you may sign on at your leisure now
07:23 kaeza1 yep. just finished building
07:23 VanessaE excellent.
07:24 kaeza almost in
07:24 kaeza <VanessaE>some angles and directions of flowing water look like they flow uphill
07:25 kaeza This is true
07:26 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_1086437274.png
07:26 VanessaE khonkhortisan, that's you on the right, kaeza on left.
07:27 kaeza core dumped
07:27 VanessaE f10?
07:27 kaeza nope
07:27 kaeza just because
07:27 khonkhortisan do the hands match the skins?
07:27 VanessaE well sometimes I get random crashes, have for a long while now
07:27 kaeza going in again
07:27 VanessaE khonkhortisan: in the default texture pack?  not really I guess
07:28 khonkhortisan A well-balanced game includes both constructive and destructive games
07:28 khonkhortisan *well-balanced day
07:28 khonkhortisan people should be drawn with blind eyeballs while they're connecting
07:29 kaeza Next: Grand Theft Auto 0.4.5: Minetest City
07:30 VanessaE lol
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07:33 kaeza VanessaE: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1086261412.jpg
07:33 celeron55 lol
07:33 kaeza khonkhortisan: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1086268048.jpg
07:33 VanessaE that's what I should look like :-)
07:33 kaeza hey celeron
07:33 khonkhortisan oops
07:33 VanessaE hey c55.
07:34 kaeza one more VanessaE: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1086609987.jpg
07:34 VanessaE khonkhortisan: another crash?
07:35 khonkhortisan if I press enter to talk
07:35 VanessaE oh that
07:35 kaeza I normally use 'T' to talk
07:35 kaeza I don't use F10
07:36 khonkhortisan T say something enter vs. T say something click proceed
07:36 VanessaE I usually hit t, type my text, then hit enter.
07:36 kaeza this^
07:37 khonkhortisan and the user/pass/address/port boxes have a white background
07:37 khonkhortisan instead of the normal gray
07:37 VanessaE buggy irrlicht?
07:37 khonkhortisan something in the way I compiled
07:37 khonkhortisan yeah
07:37 kaeza a problem with gfx driver perhaps?
07:37 kaeza nvm
07:38 khonkhortisan are carts default minetest_game?
07:38 kaeza nope
07:38 VanessaE no
07:38 VanessaE tthey're still experimental yet
07:38 kaeza yeah by experimental read "buggy"
07:39 khonkhortisan can't go down this hill, it's scared of an itty-bitty bridge
07:39 kaeza (hmm... that means a cart is a buggy?)
07:39 kaeza VanessaE: have you tweaked the speed of carts?
07:39 VanessaE no
07:39 celeron55 VanessaE: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/congestion_setting
07:39 khonkhortisan I just did a u-turn at a t-intersection
07:40 VanessaE celeron55: perfect!
07:40 VanessaE well the interface to it anyway :-)
07:40 khonkhortisan maybe it stops there because it goes down two nodes instead of one
07:40 celeron55 it's not perfect
07:40 celeron55 but that will help you a bit
07:40 kaeza celeron55: +1000
07:41 kaeza if that works :)
07:41 celeron55 if you raise congestion_control_aim_rtt or congestion_control_max_rate, it may kill the RTT of users that otherwise might have good RTT at the basic settings
07:41 VanessaE +#congestion_control_aim_rtt = 0.2  <-- a measure of seconds?
07:41 celeron55 anyway, try setting congestion_control_aim_rtt = 0.5 or so
07:42 celeron55 and setting congestion_control_max_rate to much higher may be fun too, but might cause problems
07:42 VanessaE right.
07:42 celeron55 (that is in packets/s)
07:42 khonkhortisan there should be a car system based on railroads where there are stop signs/traffic lights and you will go straight through the intersection unless you hit the switch, and the switch only affects your car, not the next one. Or switch into a turn lane and play a game of openttd/simutrans in minetest
07:42 celeron55 actually
07:42 VanessaE I shall experiment with these tomorrow when I have a clear-enough head (pretty tired now)
07:42 kaeza khonkhortisan: O.O
07:42 celeron55 you might want to just raise congestion_control_min_rate to 50 or so
07:42 celeron55 with those parameters, there are no perfect settings
07:43 celeron55 only settings worse in some way or another
07:43 celeron55 s/worse/bad/
07:43 VanessaE right, but sometimes finding a good compromize is the best thing in lieu of some better method.
07:43 VanessaE compromise*
07:43 khonkhortisan If I approach a T-intersection from the top part of the letter T, with the switch facing towards me, I U-turn
07:44 celeron55 the thing i'd first try is just raising congestion_control_aim_rtt much higher, and hope that it doesn't cog up the tubes to those who can get much smaller RTT
07:44 VanessaE khonkhortisan: yeah, those switches are sorta unpredictable, and the carts don't follow the visibly-drawn turn in the junction
07:44 VanessaE celeron55: gotchya.
07:44 khonkhortisan all it would take is to switch the visual, or draw all possibilities and be ambiguous
07:45 khonkhortisan stand in the cart when you start it for a random start direction
07:45 celeron55 also, the size of a packet is around 500 bytes, so 400 is 200kB/s
07:45 celeron55 (or, well, the maximum size)
07:46 khonkhortisan these would be great for art servers having amusement park rides where they go in scary caves
07:48 khonkhortisan nice, deceleration on stopping.
07:48 khonkhortisan now we need to tie switches to mesecons and do railroad logic :)
07:49 VanessaE and figure out why the cart is, as you put it, afraid of a little bridge :-)
07:50 khonkhortisan just put a baby on one of these, and have it climb a really long hill, and it'll rock the baby to sleep
07:50 VanessaE hehe
07:54 VanessaE celeron55: thanks for adding those settings.  I appreciate it.
08:02 kaeza you are using latest git VanessaE
08:02 kaeza ?
08:03 VanessaE yup
08:03 khonkhortisan I am, on her server
08:03 kaeza It runs WAY better than before :)
08:03 VanessaE well latest up to just before c55 added those congestion management controls.
08:03 kaeza at most 2 sec lag
08:03 kaeza which is normal (at least for me)
08:04 VanessaE cool, I didn't do anything but update :-)
08:05 VanessaE well the server's 24/7 now, or at least as long as my computer remains powered and connected :-)
08:05 kaeza BTW nice toilet :)
08:05 kaeza just for when you are in a hurry
08:08 VanessaE heh
08:09 VanessaE ok, bedtime ...try #2
08:09 VanessaE night all.
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08:11 OldCoder VanessaE, Does it support LevelDB?
08:11 OldCoder That is not an excuse
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09:33 thexyz commit 4e249fb3fbf75f0359758760d88e22aa5b14533c
09:33 thexyz Author: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>
09:33 thexyz Date:   Sat Nov 27 01:02:21 2010 +0200
09:33 thexyz Initial files
09:33 thexyz happy birthday, minetest
09:34 OldCoder Strike up the band!
09:34 OldCoder thexyz, Hi. I have nearly caught up with things. May I find you here sometime this week?
09:34 OldCoder What are good times?
09:34 OldCoder I have merged some upstream patches with your code BTW
09:34 OldCoder I have a pretty good copy of 0.4.3
09:45 celeron55 thexyz: well, more like happy version control day
09:45 celeron55 it did exist for a couple of weeks before that
09:46 thexyz that means we can celebrate several times
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09:55 ruskie so basically november would be minetest month ;)
09:56 celeron55 i started minetest in october
09:56 ruskie so more than a couple of weeks then
09:56 celeron55 hmm... apparently
10:07 OldCoder ack
10:07 OldCoder back I mean
10:07 OldCoder thexyz, could we meet later in the week? If convenient for you?
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10:08 OldCoder celeron55, I raised those settings already but have not built new clients yet; just servers
10:08 OldCoder celeron55, BTW This is fun: PilzAdam unique avatars 2D: http://minetest.org/avatars.jpg
10:09 thexyz OldCoder: probably
10:09 OldCoder Any particular times good for you?
10:10 OldCoder Of the day I mean
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11:07 thexyz finished it, http://minetest.ru/prowseed-minetest-net/index.php
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13:16 * OldCoder is resting
14:06 thexyz celeron55: i've finished that new design http://minetest.ru/prowseed-minetest-net/index.php, any thoughts?
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14:10 celeron55 thexyz: i have already commented on it long ago
14:11 thexyz and your thoughts haven't changed, right?
14:11 celeron55 not in any considerable way
14:13 celeron55 if there are any serious web designers around, i am willing to try whipping up some amount of constructive criticism
14:14 celeron55 otherwise, i'll just leave it at that; no reason to start a flame war
14:14 thexyz you can just post it here http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3075
14:15 thexyz i guess that man is "serious web designer" enough
14:17 celeron55 he hasn't posted anything on the forum for months
14:18 thexyz so what?
14:20 NekoGloop He's busy. Desinging webs.
14:20 celeron55 i expect him to be long gone and replies to be wasted effort
14:21 thexyz i don't think so
14:21 thexyz we can contact him by email
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14:36 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
14:50 NekoGloop Hello pilzadam
14:51 PilzAdam the new 1 frame death animation is funny
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15:39 Taoki PilzAdam: It's better that way, since the ugly loop problem is fixed. If you want it to be smooth, animation blending will be possible to use for that, when Irrlicht fixes the bug it has with it
15:39 Taoki The 1 frame animation is also easier to use for other things, like laying down in bed rather than just death
15:40 PilzAdam i said nothing against it
15:40 Taoki Sure. BTW: In the model, it's actually 5 frames. Since if I try to loop the same frame, the model just freezes in place. It's odd
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15:41 Taoki But it works so no biggie
15:41 PilzAdam should the selectionbox should be changed when dead?
15:41 Taoki But now there's a stand, sit, and lay animation. Stand is standing default, sit will be for mods like chairs and carts, lay is used for death and can be used by mods like beds
15:42 Taoki Can probably be done. Not important so I didn't look into it
15:42 Taoki Not urgent at least
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15:42 PilzAdam so the camera would fit to the model
15:42 Taoki Bounding box should be possible to change where the animations are set
15:42 Taoki But that can be done later, it's one of the little things
15:43 PilzAdam currently the player that is dead doesnt know that he has the dead animation
15:43 PilzAdam it just seems like you are still standing
15:44 Calinou methinks "death" animation should use one frame of "lay" animation, and make the "lay" animation slightly animated (if this isn't the case already, haven't tested yet)
15:44 Calinou so that dead players look dead, players laying do not :P
15:45 PilzAdam sometimes sleeping people look like dead in RL
15:45 Taoki Lay animation isn't animated, but doesn't need to be really
15:45 Taoki Looks fine as is
15:45 Calinou it looks like you are dead :P
15:46 Calinou in minecraft when you're on a bed you still animate a bit
15:46 Taoki Not much tio animate there either, for the blocky player especially
15:46 Taoki didn't even notice that :P Some other time if anything
15:46 Calinou also, is the lighting bug fixed?
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15:46 Calinou (when you have 2+ players in view)
15:46 Taoki Not by me, don't know how
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16:16 jin_xi Taoki: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2012-11-25#i_2659388
16:17 Taoki ah, that explains the blackness bug with models and items / entities
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16:26 Penguin hi
16:26 * Calinou tried to make player yaw transitions smoother
16:26 Calinou literally failed
16:27 Calinou it broke everything when I tried to do it :3
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16:37 bulletrulz hi :)
16:37 bulletrulz VanessaE, is your server up?
16:37 PilzAdam hi bulletrulz
16:37 PilzAdam hi john_minetest
16:37 PilzAdam ooops
16:38 PilzAdam hi jordan4ibanez
16:38 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, what was the distro you were talking about last night?
16:38 jordan4ibanez comiceos 4
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16:39 bulletrulz oh
16:39 bulletrulz i tried that too osxey for me
16:40 john_minetest hi, PilzAdam.
16:41 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, did u switch to it?
16:41 Calinou lol
16:41 Calinou unknown distros ftl
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16:42 jordan4ibanez http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtjW9Z_8ZCU
16:42 Jordach Taoki - you implemented HATS!!!!?!
16:42 Calinou HATS
16:42 Calinou minetest is the new TF2
16:42 jordan4ibanez Now we are tf3
16:42 Jordach TROLOLOL
16:43 jordan4ibanez https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/117f2088263833a40b672b702fb215e52b88be5c wow
16:43 bulletrulz pilz go back on the server
16:43 Lumpio- Did I hear somebody say hats?
16:43 PilzAdam hi Jordach
16:43 PilzAdam bulletrulz, what server?
16:44 bulletrulz VanessaE,
16:44 bulletrulz server
16:44 Calinou hats are broken, jordan4ibanez
16:44 Calinou Jordach*
16:44 Calinou transparent zones become black
16:45 Jordach i thought they were fixed
16:48 NekoGloop Meow?
16:49 PilzAdam Calinou, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/5f798d944ee03beca205b107dda58bdc72dd2bf8 ?
16:50 jordan4ibanez Is there a server where people have custom skins?
16:50 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, VanessaE
16:50 bulletrulz for 4.4
16:50 bulletrulz 04/4
16:50 jordan4ibanez wat is ur survur vanussau
16:50 bulletrulz but shes not online lol
16:50 jordan4ibanez What is her server?
16:50 PilzAdam minetest.ru:12345 is 0.4.4 too
16:50 bulletrulz hold on
16:51 bulletrulz 24.181.193.82 30000
16:51 bulletrulz im on there too
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16:53 Calinou PilzAdam: ah, my git repo didn't update due to local changes :)
16:54 PilzAdam thexyz, update minetest.ru:12345 to latest git
16:54 jordan4ibanez TO 24.181.193.82
16:54 bulletrulz lol :D
16:54 bulletrulz for 0.4.4
16:55 PilzAdam see you next monday when media is downloaded ;-)
16:55 bulletrulz media downloaded quick for me about 4 min
16:56 PilzAdam on "normal" servers it takes 30 sec. max
16:56 PilzAdam VanessaE just installed millions of mods
16:56 jordan4ibanez It's taking me 3 years to go
16:56 jordan4ibanez Pilzadam, can you like post a tut on how to mount entities? lol
16:57 PilzAdam https://github.com/PilzAdam/carts/blob/attachment/init.lua#L665
16:57 PilzAdam thats all
16:58 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, just wait itll get faster
16:59 Calinou http://ompldr.org/vZ2gxYw/screenshot_1120799023.png poor Player, he got killed by a torch.
16:59 Calinou lol
17:00 Calinou added skin for 3D player in misa's pack :)
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17:00 kotolegokot hello everyone
17:01 PilzAdam hi
17:01 * Jordach zooms in, hats work fine Calinou
17:02 kotolegokot how i can to fix image in inventory? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/53677973/tmp/03452.png
17:02 PilzAdam use inventory_image = "texture.png", in node definition?
17:02 jordan4ibanez WHERE IS THE TRAMPOLINE CODE
17:02 bulletrulz lol im stuck in the thing
17:03 Calinou Jordach: yeah they do
17:03 Jordach see
17:03 Jordach this is not minecraft
17:03 Calinou PilzAdam: you mean inventory_image = minetest.inventorycube("texture.png")
17:03 Jordach (the render is probably better)
17:04 kotolegokot http://paste.ubuntu.com/1392139/
17:05 bulletrulz NOOOO FACE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mULx2qcsioY
17:06 jordan4ibanez VanessaE where did you get the trampoline mod?
17:07 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2957
17:07 * NekoGloop plays shooter game
17:07 * NekoGloop gets k/d ratio of 3:4
17:07 * NekoGloop fuuuuuuu--
17:07 Jordach NekoGloop - cod?
17:07 Jordach bfxx?
17:07 kotolegokot PilzAdam, If I will use inventory_image, I should draw many textures. That long.
17:08 jordan4ibanez This group bouncy=20+i*20
17:08 NekoGloop Shadowgate: Deadzone
17:08 jordan4ibanez wtf
17:08 PilzAdam kotolegokot, i see the problem
17:09 jordan4ibanez Can you draw an image on the gui yet?
17:09 PilzAdam formspec or real gui?
17:10 jordan4ibanez Real gui, could you mount a gui to the player?
17:11 NekoGloop Not shadowgate. Derp
17:11 NekoGloop Shadowgun.
17:12 NakedFury is that game good?
17:12 PilzAdam you  mean minetest?
17:12 NakedFury I have been trying to find a fun ipad shooter
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17:13 VanessaE[L] boo.
17:14 NakedFury boo
17:14 NakedFury o/
17:14 VanessaE[L] hi
17:14 PilzAdam VanessaE[L], we have nice glass entities again: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/117f2088263833a40b672b702fb215e52b88be5c
17:14 NekoGloop NakedFury: Yup
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17:14 VanessaE[L] PilzAdam, er...
17:14 VanessaE[L] heh
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17:15 VanessaE[L] I was about to ask what I missed :-)
17:15 PilzAdam c55 said me that inventory_image should override everything
17:15 NekoGloop VanessaE[L]: All hell breaking loose. :3
17:15 PilzAdam even the item_entity
17:15 VanessaE[L] neko: lol
17:15 NekoGloop How about drop_image?
17:15 VanessaE[L] PilzAdam, well, to fix glass et.al maybe a different approach is needed.
17:16 PilzAdam c55 already looked how to fix the "cube in inventory is dark" bug
17:16 VanessaE[L] like figuring out why it's black in the inventory (without an inventory image) in the first place.
17:16 VanessaE[L] oh ok
17:17 PilzAdam but: <c55> PilzAdam: i'm afraid this thing will be left untouched for now
17:17 NekoGloop NakedFury: Not quite my cup of tea but is not a bad game by any means.
17:18 NakedFury its kind of sad how not many developers actually take advantage of the ipad, or tablet
17:18 NakedFury keep releasing crap shooter ports
17:18 PilzAdam apple is evil
17:18 PilzAdam and shouldnt be supported
17:18 VanessaE[L] NakedFury, well apple doesn't make it particularly easy to develop for it do they?
17:18 VanessaE[L] (as opposed to an open system like a PC)
17:19 PilzAdam heh, "Lets realease a not programmable PC"
17:19 NakedFury apple are pros when it comes to getting people to spend $600 yearly for new products
17:19 VanessaE[L] NakedFury, haha
17:19 Jordach NakedFury - bs, my ipad2 is still as fast as it was two years ago
17:20 NakedFury unless you jailbrake the ipad or iphone or itouch they are incomplete crap products
17:20 PilzAdam but everyone wants them
17:20 * PilzAdam not
17:20 NakedFury bunch or small fixes can only be done with cydia stuff
17:20 NakedFury example no wishlist on the itunes store
17:20 NakedFury so simple yet not present ever
17:21 VanessaE[L] brb
17:21 NakedFury limited folders and apps in folders
17:21 NekoGloop NakedFury: Shadowgun is only a tad laggy.
17:22 NekoGloop Which is probably just my internet.
17:22 NakedFury also big lack of quality strategy games here
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17:24 NekoGloop Try bloons tower defense.
17:25 NakedFury already played it on kongregate
17:25 john_minetest Kray? are you here?
17:25 Kray yes
17:25 NakedFury and I mean real time strategies or turn based strategies not tower defense
17:25 NakedFury age of empires, simcity, civilizations style
17:25 john_minetest Kray, are you the kray who hosts the minetest stable on AUR?
17:25 NakedFury the ipad would be perfect with some control fixes
17:25 Kray yes
17:26 john_minetest is there a 0.4.4 version yet?
17:26 Kray nope
17:26 Jordach NakedFury - yes it would, but the ipad is objective-c, not c++
17:26 VanessaE[L] john_minetest, grab it from sources.
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17:27 john_minetest VanessaE[L]: okay
17:27 VanessaE[L] you have to compile it yourself for now.
17:27 * Jordach hates itunes' way of ordering music by ablum, album artist
17:28 NakedFury iTunes and App store really need a Wishlist tab
17:28 NakedFury "ohh I can't buy this now, let me place on whislist so I won't forget"
17:29 Jordach or just use notes app like i do
17:29 Jordach problem solved
17:29 Kray john_minetest: 0.4.4 isn't released yet?
17:30 john_minetest idk. but everybody talks about 0.4.4
17:30 john_minetest so i thought it was already out.
17:30 Jordach kray - get back to EVE online
17:30 VanessaE[L] Kray, source code from github.
17:30 VanessaE[L] come on people, learn to compile :-)
17:30 Jordach VanessaE[L] - i know
17:30 celeron55 Kray: it isn't released yet
17:30 john_minetest the github version is still on
17:30 Kray I don't see tag for 0.4.4
17:31 john_minetest so nm, kray.
17:31 Jordach a simple cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 and a make -j4
17:31 Jordach problemo solved
17:31 VanessaE[L] Jordach, some people are still relegated to windows. :-)
17:31 Jordach (im a windows guy and its easy)
17:31 celeron55 VanessaE[L]: have you used the network parameters by now?
17:31 VanessaE[L] celeron55, not yet, I haven't had a chance to work with it - just got up about an hour ago.
17:32 * Jordach smells the aroma of bacon
17:32 * Jordach drools
17:32 john_minetest BAAAACCCOOOOOOONNN!!!
17:32 celeron55 i'm waiting for you to see if one can get any practical benefit from them before including them upstream
17:32 * john_minetest just ate but hungry again...
17:32 NakedFury ohh thats me Jordach, baked potato with cheese and bacon
17:32 Jordach mmmm, bacon + egg + baked beans + mushrooms
17:32 Jordach and of course toast
17:32 bulletrulz back
17:33 VanessaE[L] celeron55, a lit later today I will check.
17:33 NekoGloop Chimichangas.
17:33 sokomine ok. tell me when the testserver is up again with the new network code
17:33 sokomine hi, btw :-)
17:33 VanessaE[L] willdo, sokomine
17:34 VanessaE[L] for now, others are saying it's working far better now, so you might want to play with it some
17:35 sokomine shall i compile a new version or is that one from yesterday still current?
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17:35 VanessaE[L] compile a new one.  hats code got pushed :-)
17:35 hummer Hello
17:35 VanessaE[L] hi hummer
17:35 hummer Russian here?
17:35 VanessaE[L] no
17:35 sokomine hmpf. i hate firefox eating up computing time while idling
17:35 hummer Can help with the landscape generator?
17:36 VanessaE[L] sokomine, maybe 18 will be better with that ionmonkey script engine.
17:36 Jordach or chromium
17:36 Jordach no lag
17:36 Jordach >:D
17:36 VanessaE[L] heh
17:36 hummer in what files to be functions of generation of the world
17:37 NekoGloop Maybe internet explorer would be better.
17:37 PilzAdam anyone know the Pope emoticon? +<:-)
17:37 VanessaE[L] haha
17:37 bulletrulz NekoGloop hahahah internet explorer whats wrong with u
17:38 john_minetest compiled... connecting to 24.181.193.82 30000...
17:38 PilzAdam john_minetest, prepare to wait 3 years to load media
17:38 john_minetest btw, copy and paste support in the main menu would be cool.
17:38 VanessaE[L] irrlicht bug.
17:38 sokomine well, it's not exactly lag. it just causes load for no apparent reason. cpu cycles that could be used by minetest :)
17:38 hummer ?--in what files to be functions of generation of the world--?
17:38 PilzAdam if i select it in Klipper (KDE) I can paste it in main menu
17:39 marktraceur hummer: Usually mapgen.cpp and mapgen.hpp IIRC
17:39 john_minetest KDE... I am using DWM, so...
17:39 VanessaE[L] PilzAdam, for some reason, copy&paste doesn't work for everone, in linux
17:39 PilzAdam marktraceur, hpp?????
17:39 marktraceur Errr, .h?
17:39 john_minetest 20% media...
17:39 sokomine hummer: at which level do you want to change world generation? mod or mt-code?
17:40 marktraceur PilzAdam: Some projects use .cpp/.hpp, others use .cpp/.h
17:40 VanessaE[L] what's a .hpp?  some evil hybrid of a .h and .cpp file? :-)
17:40 marktraceur Some actually use .c++, though that doesn't make much sense.
17:40 PilzAdam never heard about hpp
17:40 OldCoder Back
17:40 marktraceur VanessaE[L]: It's just a way of specifying that the header file is for C++.
17:40 sokomine john_minetest: you'll eventually arrive on the server. get a cup of coffee and relax :) at least it's faster the second time...
17:40 VanessaE[L] whoosh :-)
17:41 john_minetest sokomine
17:41 john_minetest xD
17:41 john_minetest pressed enter by accident too early
17:41 hummer sokomine: I write game on similarity of minecraft but only also realistic purposes are used 3д models, there is no only world generation. Game I write on with ++ FrameWork
17:41 VanessaE[L] yeah, it'll take a while to download the media
17:42 VanessaE[L] I killed off that ambiance mod, which was temporary anyway.  That helped considerably but didn't solve the issue of course
17:42 PilzAdam VanessaE[L], maybe just dont install a googolplexplex of mods?
17:42 hummer who will help with a question of generation of the world? skype: bond_russia
17:43 VanessaE[L] celeron55, I think it would be a good idea for the server not to announce to everyone that a client has connected, until the client starts actually displaying the world to the player.
17:43 VanessaE[L] PilzAdam, well that helps some :-)
17:44 sokomine true. it's irritating if a player is supposed to be there already - has logged in according to message, is visible in the game - but will not actually be there for half an hour until the media got transmitted
17:44 sokomine ah. this time it was all much faster
17:46 bulletrulz lag lol
17:46 VanessaE[L] ain't my fault :-)
17:46 VanessaE[L] I'm not even on the server right now :-)
17:46 bulletrulz lol nothing your fault it is lol jk
17:46 PilzAdam VanessaE[L], did you know that you have more mods installed than protons exist in the universe?
17:47 VanessaE[L] (my anemic little laptop can barely push 15fps with my 64px pack (and 20 with default)
17:47 VanessaE[L] PilzAdam, yeah, so?  :D
17:47 bulletrulz it says  uare
17:48 PilzAdam there are 10^80 protons and you have a googolplexplex = 10^100^(10^100^(10^100)) mods
17:48 VanessaE[L] it does?
17:48 VanessaE[L] odd.
17:48 VanessaE[L] PilzAdam, a googleplex is 10 ^ (10 ^100)
17:48 VanessaE[L] :-)
17:48 PilzAdam i said googolplexPLEX
17:48 VanessaE[L] oh haha
17:48 VanessaE[L] shit.
17:49 bulletrulz \i think i should go fuck with people on mumble
17:49 VanessaE[L] and I said "google-" instead of "googol-"
17:49 NekoGloop VanessaE: googolplex
17:49 * VanessaE[L] hands in her geek card.
17:49 * PilzAdam burns it
17:49 VanessaE[L] yeah I know.  damn corporations :D
17:49 celeron55 tuning the values in the right way should do much good to media load time
17:50 celeron55 actually, the branch might transfer media already faster because it changes one thing (probably not)
17:50 VanessaE[L] when I get back to my PC I'll fiddle with that
17:50 bulletrulz VanessaE[L],
17:50 bulletrulz start a mumble server lol
17:51 sokomine btw, the stairsplus-nodes are most of the time not visible in the inventory (their images)
17:51 VanessaE[L] mumble?  why>
17:51 VanessaE[L] sokomine, those work fine on my PC and my laptop?
17:51 VanessaE[L] brb
17:52 bulletrulz so people can tlak on mic lol
17:52 sokomine no matter what server i most of the time get half of them as inventory images at max
17:52 sokomine but i don't remember how much memory i gave to the onboard grapics card. hm. perhaps not much...
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17:53 Penguin hi
17:55 thexyz PilzAdam: updated now
17:57 PilzAdam k
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18:00 VanessaE[L] sokomine, out of graphics memory>
18:00 VanessaE[L] ?
18:01 rubenwardy bloody hell, my temp forum already has spam
18:01 sokomine most likely, yes
18:01 VanessaE[L] rubenwardy, sowwy
18:02 PilzAdam hi rubenwardy
18:03 NekoGloop Go figure
18:05 rubenwardy why are you VanessaE[L]?
18:06 VanessaE[L] because. :-)
18:06 VanessaE[L] (I'm on my laptop.)
18:06 NakedFury she is late?
18:06 NakedFury ohh laptop
18:06 NekoGloop Because she's [Lost]
18:06 NakedFury could also be VanessaE[M] for mobile
18:07 sokomine hmm. i want an npc that does the roof of a house :-)
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18:08 Jordach hello nekoGloop
18:08 bulletrulz sokomine, it was lagging
18:08 InuGloop Woof.
18:09 sokomine most of the time it seems to work now (more or less - some lag is always there...)
18:09 sokomine it still laggs considerably when using creative inv
18:09 * Jordach is working on a female model skin
18:09 Jordach -model
18:10 Taoki Jordach: Yes, hats are implemented now. So all MineCraft skins will work
18:10 Jordach super sweet
18:11 VanessaE[L] yes and they look good
18:11 VanessaE[L] sokomine, care to link to that last good screenshot of me?
18:11 * InuGloop got a 7:1 k/d ratio woot!
18:15 bulletrulz inu gllop is nekogloop
18:16 Jordach we know
18:16 bulletrulz lol
18:16 OldCoder Let NekoGloop figure out who he wishes to be
18:16 bulletrulz a boy or a girl LOL XD
18:16 OldCoder Let it go
18:17 bulletrulz OldCoder, what the name of your os?
18:17 InuGloop inu is dog. neko is cat
18:18 bulletrulz lol WTF
18:18 * Jordach knows a lot of japanese
18:18 OldCoder InuGloop, that makes sense in a way
18:18 OldCoder InuYasha
18:18 OldCoder Like that?
18:18 OldCoder Is InuGloop an inushounen?
18:19 OldCoder Or, rather, *was* InuGloop an inushounen?
18:19 PilzAdam wtf?!?
18:19 OldCoder PilzAdam, ?
18:19 PilzAdam did I just saw a dog transforming to a cat?!?!
18:19 OldCoder Yep
18:19 NekoGloop Yes. Yes you did.
18:19 OldCoder Woofmeow
18:19 bulletrulz PilzAdam, YEP
18:19 Jordach oh christ, what have we done!!!!
18:19 Jordach O.O
18:19 bulletrulz lol
18:19 OldCoder It is no big deal
18:20 * Jordach sneaks off
18:20 * NekoGloop yawns
18:20 OldCoder Dogs into cats are an everyday occurrence surely
18:20 * bulletrulz cathes Jordach
18:20 OldCoder cats Jordach?
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18:20 Jordach i like TRAINS
18:20 bulletrulz a train hits jordach
18:20 OldCoder A train of thought
18:21 * NekoGloop meow
18:21 bulletrulz trololololololololololololololololololololololololololoolololololololololololololollololololol
18:22 bulletrulz ;p
18:22 Jordach wait, did neko use a silent /nick?
18:22 NekoGloop What?
18:23 NekoGloop No, you just didnt notice me changing nicks.
18:23 Jordach oh yes, there was a /nick
18:25 * Jordach is trying HD skins
18:27 * john_minetest exists
18:28 bulletrulz OldCoder, did u try qupzilla?
18:29 * rubenwardy is thinking about the life, universe and...
18:29 OldCoder bulletrulz, I won't be able to build it until December or January
18:29 bulletrulz lol why?
18:29 bulletrulz OldCoder, why?
18:29 OldCoder bulletrulz, I am under water with things; over my head
18:29 OldCoder Trying to straighten everything out
18:30 bulletrulz well your gonna drown lol
18:30 OldCoder That's a cheerful thought bulletrulz :-)
18:30 OldCoder Thank you for the support!
18:31 Jordach rubenwardy 42?
18:31 rubenwardy everything
18:31 rubenwardy == 42 :D
18:32 Jordach OldCoder - some monty python: he's not the messiah; he's a very naughty boy!
18:32 OldCoder k
18:34 rubenwardy i didnt vote for you!
18:37 bulletrulz OldCoder, wtf
18:37 bulletrulz xDDD
18:37 rubenwardy monty python quotes
18:37 Jordach rubenwardy - a test of a hd skin http://i.imgur.com/yxZiZ.png
18:38 VanessaE[L] that is HD?
18:38 OldCoder bulletrulz, ?
18:38 VanessaE[L] nice though,.
18:38 OldCoder High Definition I assume
18:38 Jordach thats a 2x the size of a normal
18:38 Jordach (faces have 8x, this being 16x)
18:38 VanessaE[L] that ain't HD but it is nice
18:38 Jordach also, 16px mt logo
18:40 VanessaE[L] to call it HD it needs to be like 128px across by 256px vertically
18:40 VanessaE[L] (relative to the whole model)
18:41 Jordach hell no
18:41 Jordach anything above default is hd
18:41 Jordach because it contains more pixels
18:42 VanessaE[L] then half the mods for MT are HD including some nodes in homedecor :-)
18:42 bulletrulz mijyns new game
18:42 bulletrulz https://t.co/juocc5bh
18:47 bulletrulz gonna play some freedm onlinr
18:50 PilzAdam brb
18:50 VanessaE[L] bbl
18:51 VanessaE[L] or rather, moving to the PC where I can see wtf I'm doing. One screen ain't enough :D
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18:51 Jordach vanessaE - http://imgur.com/a/bP0Xy
18:51 Jordach theres a difference. but its the same t
18:51 Jordach +p
18:51 rubenwardy (6:37:52 PM) Jordach: rubenwardy - a test of a hd skin http://i.imgur.com/yxZiZ.png
18:51 rubenwardy cool
18:53 Jordach jeezus h. the ipad is louder than my old droid tab
18:54 Jordach my headphones are reaching almost 90db with my mic testing
18:55 VanessaE there.  a normal keyboard, two normal monitors, and a normal chair and desk. :-)
18:55 Jordach vanessaE
18:55 Jordach http://imgur.com/a/bP0Xy find the difference
18:55 Calinou multiscreen on linux? oh you made it work, you deserve nobel prize
18:56 Calinou :>
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18:56 VanessaE OldCoder: btw, no it doesn't use leveldb (you asked earlier, I didn't see it till just now)
18:56 VanessaE Calinou: nVidia 99, ATI 4. :-)
18:57 VanessaE dual-screen "just works" on ATI drivers :-)
18:57 Calinou nvidia too
18:57 Jordach same for windows :3
18:57 Calinou you can even choose what to do: separate x server, twinview...
18:57 PilzAdam what is this script for? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/tree/master/util/wireshark
18:58 OldCoder VanessaE, ty. I am committed to LevelDB now and I recommend it be merged into main.
18:59 VanessaE OldCoder: have you guys solved the cross-compatibility issue with old maps?
19:00 OldCoder VanessaE, Which one?
19:00 OldCoder The SQLite3 export issue? yes
19:00 ruskie OldCoder, did you upgrade europe yet?
19:00 OldCoder Can go back and forth
19:00 VanessaE about automatically importing old sql maps
19:00 OldCoder ruskie, No
19:00 OldCoder VanessaE, Not following. I can convert back and forth if that is what you mean.
19:01 OldCoder WorldEdit can be used reliably too
19:01 VanessaE OldCoder: well remember that before, you had to make changes to the program and/or world config files to force it to use leveldb?
19:01 OldCoder Though not for entire maps; too large
19:01 OldCoder VanessaE, the world.mt file must be edited to specify the desired mode. No changes are required now to the main config.
19:02 OldCoder VanessaE, It is a one-line change. Makes sense as the engine still supports both modes.
19:02 VanessaE what about defaulting to leveldb for new worlds?
19:02 OldCoder VanessaE, I could make that change easily
19:02 VanessaE I recommend it.
19:02 OldCoder It would be trivial I think
19:02 OldCoder Very well
19:02 VanessaE the less things a new user has to edit in their configs, the better.
19:02 OldCoder VanessaE, sure
19:03 Jordach yeah, like how mc, always converts the old format into the new
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19:05 Penguin hey
19:06 Penguin ?
19:08 VanessaE celeron55, sokomine, anyone else who wants to test it, the test server with congestions_settings is up, with the previously-discussed congestion_control_min_rate = 50 added to the config.  Running a copy of the same world, same collection of mods, same skins, and otherwise the same config file as the main server.
19:08 VanessaE 24.181.193.82 port 30001 for congestion_settings  (port 30000 for the master branch)
19:10 Jordach rubenwardy - your player skin forum needs a download all for packaging for PilzAdam's mod
19:14 Jordach hm, i've been working on a "super" file type
19:14 khonkhortisan carts clone themselves now
19:14 Jordach uh-oh
19:15 VanessaE khonkhortisan: saw that.  don't know how to fix it.  PilzAdam, that's your call :-)
19:16 PilzAdam hm, what?
19:16 VanessaE carts.  that's your mod is it not?
19:16 PilzAdam yep, let me read the log
19:16 VanessaE they're cloning themselves occasionally, and sometimes won't go down a hill.
19:16 khonkhortisan right-click a cart, get one in the inventory, the cart stays there
19:16 sokomine ah
19:16 rubenwardy (7:10:54 PM) Jordach: rubenwardy - your player skin forum needs a download all for packaging for PilzAdam's mod
19:16 rubenwardy What do you mean? As in a program that fetches each persons skin?
19:17 Jordach nono, like hitting zipball on github
19:17 rubenwardy http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/avatar/files/
19:17 VanessaE no one wants to try out the 0.4.4 congestion_settings branch?
19:17 sokomine the not getting down a hill seems to be in combination with turns. turn + height change -> doesn't work from one side (might still work from the other side)
19:17 VanessaE (your regular 0.4.4 should suffice I guess?_
19:18 PilzAdam VanessaE, cloning carts are an engine bug
19:18 sokomine item and node definition have arrived. waiting for media
19:19 sokomine seems to have arrived
19:19 VanessaE sokomine: did you clear your minetest cache?
19:19 sokomine no....ought to have done that i think
19:19 VanessaE yeah, log out, clear it, log in
19:19 sokomine but at least i didn't get that one-minute-delay like yesterday
19:19 VanessaE let's see what this baby can do :D
19:19 khonkhortisan Remember the dirt_with_grass-desert_sand transition? It looks right if they're at the same height, but if the dirt is placed one node above the sand, there's holes in the dirt.
19:19 sokomine where's the cache stored?
19:20 VanessaE ~/.minetest/cache
19:20 VanessaE just delete the whole subdir
19:20 * sokomine looks frighened
19:20 VanessaE lol
19:20 sokomine well, you're not the one who has to wait until all that media arrives again :-)
19:20 VanessaE yeah it'll make all servers take a while to reload, but it's *worth* it :D
19:20 sokomine i'll just move it away
19:20 * VanessaE watches the netowrk meter
19:20 VanessaE network*
19:21 VanessaE waiting for you :-)
19:22 sokomine connecting again
19:22 khonkhortisan oh that toilet.
19:22 VanessaE max 20 kB/sec, averaging about 12.
19:22 * khonkhortisan feels slow
19:22 sokomine well...the % number does visibly increase
19:23 VanessaE max 30kB/sec, averaging about 15.
19:23 sokomine hangs now at 8%...
19:23 sokomine 9...
19:23 sokomine might make it today :-)
19:23 sokomine seems faster than the old version already
19:23 rubenwardy Jordach: http://multa.bugs3.com/minetest/website/avatar/zipball.php
19:23 VanessaE this seems notably faster
19:23 Jordach rubenwardy - thanks
19:23 VanessaE but still far below my max..
19:23 Jordach now its easier to include them with PilzAdam's mod
19:24 sokomine well, my max download rate is 1/3 of your upload rate, so...it will take time with a lot of mods
19:24 VanessaE congestion_control_aim_rtt = 0.2  <-- lets tweak this to 0.75 and see what it breaks :D
19:24 sokomine 28%
19:24 VanessaE soko: oh you're flooding your downlink already?
19:24 sokomine but such a number at least gives hope
19:24 sokomine don't think so. just wanted to say that my download isn't that high and will not be able to fill your upload
19:25 VanessaE oh ok.
19:25 VanessaE alright, close it off.
19:25 VanessaE lemme tweak that other setting.
19:25 VanessaE maybe 0.6 is right.
19:25 sokomine hmpf :-( i already got 59% :)
19:25 sokomine but tweak it
19:25 VanessaE ok, clear your cache and try again
19:26 sokomine it was considerably faster and did transmit ~5 mb
19:26 sokomine ok...trying again
19:26 VanessaE oh yeah, it's moving faster now
19:26 VanessaE seems to be averaging 25-30 kB/sec
19:27 VanessaE at my end anyway
19:27 VanessaE well it was :-)
19:27 sokomine 10%
19:27 VanessaE what's your ping time to me?
19:27 * khonkhortisan doesn't agree with /giveme being a different privilage than creative
19:28 sokomine around 125 ms
19:28 VanessaE khonkhortisan: sure, simple:  you shouldn't be able to get say water source in creative if the admin doesn't want it to be there, but still get it with a /giveme if you have that priv
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19:28 * sokomine nods to khonkhortisan and has thought the same a few minutes ago while trying to build with a too-slow creative inv
19:28 sokomine givme would have been faster i think
19:28 khonkhortisan well, I meant I should be able to skip to the last item in the creative list without clicking the button 65 times
19:29 khonkhortisan huh. Carts don't stack.
19:29 sokomine and maybe filling part of the inv automaticly with predefined things, e.g. "bathroom", "kitchen", "doors", "light", "stairs", ...
19:29 sokomine might be faster to do that in one go
19:30 sokomine 70%
19:30 VanessaE khonkhortisan: RBA has a "unified inventory" that remedies that.
19:30 sokomine definitely faster than previously
19:31 sokomine (the automatic filling beeing subject to buttons pressed or commands typed in)
19:31 sokomine 81%
19:31 VanessaE sokomine: much better.
19:31 sokomine definitely
19:31 VanessaE now I need someone with a good, fat pipe to try it.
19:31 khonkhortisan Having played open transport tycoon deluxe and simutrans, I will be playing with the rails.
19:31 VanessaE brb
19:32 khonkhortisan know what page the signal is on?
19:32 sokomine just make sure you don't go up or down immediately after a turn. that does not seem to work
19:33 khonkhortisan If I'm going down a mine shaft, and it splits into three directions, how would I decide which direction to go without the possibility of whizzing by the switch?
19:33 marktraceur VanessaE: Does this new version have working carts?
19:33 khonkhortisan some bugs
19:33 khonkhortisan duplication, stopping down hills
19:33 marktraceur khonkhortisan: Do carts keep moving through block boundaries?
19:34 marktraceur khonkhortisan: i.e. if the block isn't loaded at the time
19:34 khonkhortisan not that I've noticed. I know movestones do that
19:34 marktraceur Hrm.
19:34 marktraceur Bollocks to movestones and bollocks to carts not moving if they hit unloaded blocks.
19:35 marktraceur I can walk anyway
19:35 sokomine well, and moving up/downhill is strange since it is rather hopping than gliding :-) but that's a minor problem
19:35 khonkhortisan yeah, it makes roller coasters not fun
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19:37 thexyz does anybody know what's the license of http://api.minetest.net contents?
19:37 sokomine using creative inv is still so slow that it's almost unusable
19:37 rubenwardy thexyz: i wrote the "getting started" page
19:38 rubenwardy that is wtfpl
19:38 thexyz because i'm planning to convert this one to mediawiki and don't know which license to use
19:39 thexyz cc0 is fine for documentation, isn't it?
19:40 OldCoder thexyz, CC-BY-NC-SA ?
19:41 Jordach OldCoder thats my license
19:41 OldCoder k
19:41 Jordach (what i use often)
19:41 thexyz OldCoder: i don't like NC part
19:41 Calinou CC BY FTW
19:41 OldCoder thexyz, there are multiple variations of course
19:43 Calinou unrelated: anyone hosts a server with latest git?
19:43 VanessaE Calinou: I do.
19:43 Calinou minetest.ru:12345 is empty
19:43 thexyz and i don't understand "attribution" part (in relation to wiki), should i attribute anybody who modified that page?
19:44 thexyz Calinou: it's up (at least)
19:44 VanessaE Calinou: 0.4.4 built about half an hour ago, 24.181.193.82 port 30001 if you wanna help me test the congestion_settings or port 30000 for the master branch
19:44 VanessaE (the world on 30001 is a temporary copy of the world on 30000)
19:45 Calinou thexyz: that's why CC licenses get quickly annoying for wikis :/
19:45 Calinou then use something like CC0 or WTFPL...
19:45 VanessaE Calinou: wrong one, use port 30001.
19:47 thexyz Calinou: then there's problem with code samples, as they will often be non cc0-compatible (like minimal or minetest_game)
19:50 khonkhortisan Could not open file of texture: character.png ... Loaded mesh: character.x
19:50 khonkhortisan PNG warning: Interlace handling should be turned on when using png_read_image ... you people look black now
19:51 jin_xi wtf VanessaE is your server ever not shutting down ;)
19:51 VanessaE jin_xi: I restarted it to remove an obsolete setting.
19:51 VanessaE try again.
19:52 VanessaE wow, now THAT's what I'm talking about.
19:52 VanessaE jin_xi gets > 50 KB/sec.
19:52 VanessaE that's an order of magnitude better than before.
19:55 khonkhortisan aah! I built a four-loop circular railroad and it threw the cart
19:55 khonkhortisan 10 nodes away from a turn
19:55 VanessaE lol
19:56 Calinou when trying to start a second MT instance, I get this: X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
19:56 Calinou wtf
19:56 Calinou never seen this before :|
19:56 VanessaE out of video mem?
19:56 Calinou how can I check? :P
19:57 VanessaE no clue
19:57 Calinou there, started two instances
19:57 VanessaE jin_xi: you alive on the congestion_setting server?
19:59 PilzAdam gtg; bye
20:01 VanessaE jin_xi, turn your F2 chat back on you schmuck :)
20:03 sokomine connecting a second time is really fast now
20:03 VanessaE celeron55: the congestion settings help with download speeds, but access to the creative inventory is still laggy (for jin_xi anyway)
20:04 sokomine for me too. changing a page, taking something out of creative inv, putting something in the trash-field...all that takes too long
20:05 VanessaE is there a particular reason the client can't predict that stuff and just..go?
20:06 VanessaE like with digging/placing nodes
20:06 celeron55 thexyz: do you have the sql dump?
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20:08 celeron55 VanessaE: the reason is that implementing such prediction on the existing system explodes brains
20:08 VanessaE lol
20:08 VanessaE ok, fair enough :D
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20:08 VanessaE celeron55: you gonna clear your cache and sign in to the server or what? :-)
20:08 celeron55 i might try
20:08 VanessaE ok
20:09 rubenwardy bye all
20:09 VanessaE ciao rubenwardy
20:09 thexyz celeron55: of what?
20:09 celeron55 i need to build master first though
20:09 VanessaE oh ok.
20:09 celeron55 i was doing something completely different
20:10 VanessaE no problem, you said you were waiting, but I don't want to harass
20:10 VanessaE (much :D )
20:11 thexyz http://i.imgur.com/fDmgi.png
20:12 thexyz i'll just convert current api site to mediawiki one and then ask celeron55 to replace it
20:13 celeron55 so you do have the sql?
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20:13 celeron55 maybe i don't need to ask that...
20:13 celeron55 cornernote didn't mention any license, but he clearly wanted people to continue using and improving it, so maybe we'll just go with CC BY-SA like minetest generally does
20:14 celeron55 (for the license issue)
20:15 thexyz celeron55: no, i don't have it
20:15 celeron55 http://c55.me/random/2012-11/minetest_api_2012-11-08.sql
20:15 VanessaE celeron55: it's GPL v3
20:15 VanessaE https://github.com/cornernote/minetest-game_wiki
20:15 celeron55 not the same thin
20:15 celeron55 +g
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20:15 VanessaE oh ok
20:15 thexyz celeron55: thanks, though i guess that'd not help
20:15 VanessaE oops, you're right.  I misread that
20:15 * VanessaE sighs
20:16 celeron55 VanessaE: the server loads slow as hell
20:17 celeron55 :30001 one
20:17 celeron55 not better than :30000 at all
20:17 VanessaE what's your ping time to me?
20:17 celeron55 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 152.387/156.889/163.729/4.082 ms
20:17 VanessaE hrm.  Not bad.
20:18 celeron55 i'll see what happens if i use the branch too
20:19 VanessaE ok
20:19 celeron55 what congestion_control_aim_rtt do you have there currently?
20:19 VanessaE 0.6
20:20 VanessaE min_rate is 50 as previously suggested.
20:20 celeron55 raising both so much is probably not a good idea
20:21 VanessaE probably not heh
20:21 celeron55 but anyway, that won't matter in terms of speed, only lag
20:21 celeron55 not better
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20:21 VanessaE celeron55: max 60 kB/sec to you just now.  That's much better than before.
20:22 VanessaE seems to average ~20kB/sec though
20:22 VanessaE well 25 or so anyway
20:22 celeron55 ehm
20:22 celeron55 it pulls around 12.5kBps
20:22 celeron55 just like :30001
20:23 VanessaE I wonder how much of this is just networking overhead?  I'm going by my net meter in xfce
20:23 celeron55 i have no idea what it's showing to you
20:23 celeron55 i'm trusting the meter of my icewm taskbar
20:23 VanessaE I wonder if there's just some simple packet loss going on
20:23 VanessaE hard to tell though
20:24 khonkhortisan when climbing a rail up into the sky, a cart needs dirt under the rail every two nodes. When going horizontally in the air. the cart bobs. It requires something under the rail only at the end when going horizontally.
20:24 celeron55 ping doesn't seem to see packet loss
20:25 OldCoder babyface1031, Hi
20:25 babyface1031 hi OldCoder
20:26 leo_rockway khonkhortisan: I noticed this too.
20:26 leo_rockway there's no 3rd person view in minetest, is there?
20:26 khonkhortisan nope
20:26 VanessaE no
20:26 khonkhortisan there's fov, though
20:27 leo_rockway fov?
20:27 khonkhortisan makes you look like a dretch from tremulous
20:27 leo_rockway oh...
20:27 khonkhortisan where you can see much further sideways
20:27 leo_rockway how can that be done?
20:28 khonkhortisan it's not in my config anymore. fov = 180 maybe?
20:28 leo_rockway it's funny how explaining what "fov" is was so much faster for me when you said "dretch" hehe.
20:28 leo_rockway thanks, I'll try that out.
20:28 VanessaE "field of view"
20:28 leo_rockway thank you
20:29 khonkhortisan huh. I dug a hole, filled it back in, and was down one cobble. (or dirt, not really sure)
20:29 * OldCoder is AFK briefly on an errand
20:30 khonkhortisan oh. coal :)
20:30 OldCoder Coal Cool
20:31 khonkhortisan Do rails move at mostly constant speeds? I could make a stop-motion movie by passing by art walls
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20:32 leo_rockway khonkhortisan: there's a max speed in the init.lua
20:32 khonkhortisan but moving horizontally, is it mostly constant?
20:32 leo_rockway if you move in a straight line, I think you go at the same speed
20:32 leo_rockway I think so
20:38 khonkhortisan game of life is turing complete. who would've thunk it.
20:41 bulletrulz http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/11/how-to-run-chromeos-in-ubuntu this is kinda cool but only 64 bit :/
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20:42 leo_rockway khonkhortisan: game of life in mesecons o.o
20:43 khonkhortisan hmm
20:43 khonkhortisan probably have to build the display at a 90-degree angle from the math, to be able to expand
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20:49 thexyz http://wapi.minetest.ru/minetest.register_chatcommand
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20:52 bulletrulz lmgtfy
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20:57 khonkhortisan Can anyone make a rail-powered moving picture?
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21:00 john_minetest dafuq would you do with a rail-powered moving picture?
21:00 VanessaE put it on the last train to clarksville?
21:00 VanessaE :-)
21:01 khonkhortisan have the rail move past colored walls. But the rail moves pretty slow.
21:02 VanessaE slit effect.
21:02 khonkhortisan don't have the slit right yet
21:02 VanessaE drive past a wall of 1-node-wide slits with images places 2 nodes behind them
21:02 VanessaE problem is the speed of the cart.
21:03 khonkhortisan oh. I was moving toward the walls
21:04 VanessaE take advantage of the parallax between the holes in the wall and the images/nodes placed behind those holes
21:04 VanessaE the farther back they are, the more sharply they'll appear/disappear
21:04 VanessaE get the cart moving fast enough and they will turn into an animated image.
21:05 khonkhortisan that'll work much better than driving through the frame
21:05 VanessaE yes
21:05 VanessaE the further back they are, though, the more likely it is for you to see adjacent images
21:06 khonkhortisan I'm feeling the limit of how increasing the image size makes the slits further apart, reducing the frame rate.
21:06 khonkhortisan Interesting, a smaller image draws faster.
21:09 VanessaE lol!  on my test server:   http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_1135824894.png
21:09 VanessaE does that mean someone thinks c55 should sit in the corner? :D
21:09 VanessaE (no, I didn't do that)
21:09 khonkhortisan nice textures
21:11 sokomine oh :-) poor c55 :-
21:11 VanessaE haha
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21:15 khonkhortisan if only I had 45-degree walls
21:16 khonkhortisan is there a node that has a really tiny hole in it?
21:16 VanessaE not that I can think of
21:16 VanessaE closest might be an inverted stair
21:17 VanessaE (or regular one)
21:17 VanessaE that's at least a 1/4-node hole anyway
21:17 khonkhortisan I realy like the campfire
21:17 khonkhortisan furnace at home, campfire on the go
21:18 VanessaE or a homedecor oven if you're not "roughing" it :-)
21:18 khonkhortisan I still want to use the stovetop
21:18 VanessaE better to make a separate node for that
21:19 VanessaE a really thin nodebox-based one, that acts as another, much slower oven
21:19 khonkhortisan rail switches could be used for alternate storylines
21:20 sokomine stovetop?
21:20 khonkhortisan the burners on the top of the homedecor oven don't work
21:21 sokomine ah, ok
21:22 VanessaE right, in order for that to happen, either I have to move them into a separate "cookstove" object, or someone has to figure out how to make it give a different formspec depending on clicking the top versus the front/sides :-)
21:23 khonkhortisan allow_formspec(...) does stuff on right click, returns true to show formspec <-- a missing feature
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21:26 khonkhortisan elastigirl: the first video on http://blog.blendimages.com/2012/11/11/slit-scan-distorted-dance-video-the-new-gangnam-style/
21:27 khonkhortisan creepy
21:29 thexyz celeron55: http://wapi.minetest.ru/Main_Page
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21:35 khonkhortisan almost a full second between two 3x3 node frames
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21:43 leo_rockway khonkhortisan: if you'll do the animation thing, you can include note blocks, connected to the mesecon rail
21:43 leo_rockway then you have music and animation
21:44 khonkhortisan I'm using regular rail. Mesecon rail lights up under the cart?
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21:45 leo_rockway in MC, the redstone rail activates when the cart is over it, I think.
21:45 iqualfragile nope
21:45 khonkhortisan but there's a mesecon stop rail
21:45 iqualfragile in mc the redstone rail stops the minecart if its not powered
21:45 leo_rockway I saw a guy that made lights turn on when the cart got over certain rails
21:45 khonkhortisan player detector?
21:46 iqualfragile otherwise it accelerates it
21:46 leo_rockway maybe
21:46 OldCoder Back
21:46 leo_rockway iqualfragile: true...
21:46 iqualfragile there is no detector rail afaik
21:46 leo_rockway hold on, let me look the tutorial up and see if it applies to mesecons too
21:46 khonkhortisan you can make a floor filled with ghoststone that disappears when the object detector in the center of the room activates
21:46 iqualfragile well, my last game of minecraft dates 5 months back so that informaiton might be slightly out of date
21:47 leo_rockway I've never actually really played
21:47 leo_rockway just tried it out to compare it to MT
21:48 khonkhortisan is there a way to make one-way rail?
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21:49 iqualfragile uh, wait a moment
21:49 iqualfragile does that mean that there are/will be working carts in minetest?
21:49 bulletrulz hi
21:50 VanessaE there are.
21:50 bulletrulz iqualfragile, there aready is??
21:50 khonkhortisan they mostly work, unless you change rail direction twice in two nodes, or the other thing I already forgot
21:50 leo_rockway they work already
21:50 VanessaE sokomine and I have been playing with them on my server.
21:50 leo_rockway khonkhortisan: if there are no blocks under the rails
21:50 iqualfragile if you refer to pilzadams carts: last time i tried those they were quite buggy
21:50 leo_rockway they bob
21:50 leo_rockway iqualfragile: there's a new branch that works with the new 3D players.
21:51 * marktraceur asks foolishly whether 0.4.4 is going to be released soon (or if it will be 0.5 because of tghe big new player-facing stuff)
21:51 marktraceur the*
21:51 iqualfragile mind sending me a link?
21:51 khonkhortisan I don't care if it's released, it works for me :P
21:52 marktraceur khonkhortisan: For those of us running production servers it would be nice to have some indication of "hey this is stable now"
21:52 marktraceur Not to mention builds.
21:52 khonkhortisan I don't know how only the head sticks out when in a cart
21:53 leo_rockway http://youtu.be/Wta7K7hG__I
21:53 leo_rockway those are the neww things
21:53 leo_rockway new*
21:53 iqualfragile there are people out there not using the latest git
21:53 iqualfragile (linux people)
21:54 leo_rockway fair enough
21:55 bulletrulz my charger is starting to brake noooooooooo!!!
21:55 marktraceur bulletrulz: So accelerate again! Jeez, it's not the end of the world to lose velocity.
21:57 bulletrulz marktraceur, no i mean its a mess up in the cord itself
21:57 marktraceur bulletrulz: What, your brake lines were cut? That's pretty serious, man.
21:59 bulletrulz marktraceur, i know but cords for it ar eonly like 30$
21:59 leo_rockway mmhhh... yeah, the tutorial I saw uses detector rails
21:59 leo_rockway there's no such thing in mesecons?
22:00 marktraceur bulletrulz: Yeah, just don't drive anywhere for a while, that's dangerous.
22:02 bulletrulz marktraceur, not in a car on my laptop charger lol
22:02 marktraceur bulletrulz: Wait, what about your laptop charger is braking?
22:03 marktraceur bulletrulz: It seems like its normal state is at rest, it seems counter-intuitive to put brakes on such a thing.
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22:04 VanessaE maybe he keeps sliding it across the floor?
22:04 marktraceur VanessaE: That might do it, but even then, friction would be enough of an opposition that it wouldn't do any damage to the charger. Besides, he wouldn't be able to control the charger if he gave it enough velocity to slide and then let go....
22:06 VanessaE lol
22:06 * marktraceur sighs, kids these days
22:08 leo_rockway marktraceur: oh, give him a brake!
22:08 leo_rockway geez
22:09 marktraceur leo_rockway: Oh, I'll give him a brake all right
22:11 khonkhortisan server freeze?
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22:17 kaeza hey guys
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22:21 marktraceur kaeza: Bye!
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22:27 kaeza hello
22:28 marktraceur kaeza: Welcome back!
22:28 VanessaE hey kaeza
22:28 kaeza hi mark!
22:28 kaeza hi V
22:28 kaeza anything new?
22:28 VanessaE you missed the test server :-)
22:29 kaeza oohh
22:29 kaeza new commit?
22:29 VanessaE same IP, port 30001.
22:29 VanessaE it runs c55's "congestion_setting" branch
22:29 VanessaE clear your cache first, then try it.
22:29 VanessaE see if it works better than the one on 30000
22:29 VanessaE but don't build anything serious there, that world will be deleted soon.
22:30 Renoki I think I'll play some Minetest
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22:31 Kacey hello
22:32 kaeza VanessaE: you will like this: http://minecraft.novaskin.me/
22:32 kaeza I'm gonna try connecting
22:32 VanessaE nice editor
22:33 leo_rockway what's "congestion_setting"?
22:33 kaeza hey Kacey
22:34 Kacey im in school lol
22:34 VanessaE leo_rockway: a test to see if we can improve bandwidth without a major recode of the network stack basicallt :-)
22:34 VanessaE basically*
22:34 kaeza Kacey: shoudn't you be "studying"
22:34 kaeza ?
22:35 Kacey no there was a technology test
22:35 kaeza good
22:35 leo_rockway VanessaE: is it passing the tests?
22:35 Kacey only ten minutes till the end of school
22:35 kaeza k
22:36 kaeza lol
22:36 VanessaE leo_rockway: not yet.
22:36 VanessaE kaeza: so...  clear your ~/.minetest/cache and sign on already, port 30001
22:36 VanessaE :-)
22:36 kaeza VanessaE: now connecting @ 34%
22:36 VanessaE ah, so you are :-)
22:36 kaeza yeah
22:36 VanessaE how's it behaving for you now?
22:37 kaeza just a few minutes and I'm in
22:37 VanessaE I mean the media download
22:37 Kacey still need to compile it
22:37 VanessaE Kacey: get the very very very latest git when you do.
22:38 Kacey there is a new one?!?!?!?!
22:38 kaeza 50% now
22:38 kaeza quite fast
22:38 kaeza at least faster than yesterday/today earlier
22:38 VanessaE like, fetch from git right before you start compiling.  anything more than about 12-18 hours ago is too old :D
22:38 leo_rockway VanessaE: just latest master or some other branch?
22:38 VanessaE leo_rockway: latest master is fine.
22:38 VanessaE the congestion_setting branch is only for the server end I guess
22:38 leo_rockway I have a speed hack, though :S
22:38 leo_rockway I'd have to disable that
22:38 kaeza you still have a minetest from 12 hours ago? so oldschool :)
22:38 leo_rockway I had just compiled it too
22:39 VanessaE kaeza: haha
22:39 leo_rockway I run a script that pulls from git nightly. If there are changes, it builds.
22:39 kaeza 80% for me. almost there
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22:39 VanessaE kaeza: that's at least an order of magnitude faster for you, isn't it?
22:40 kaeza yup. a record of 3 minutes
22:40 Renoki meh..
22:40 kaeza previously this was like half an hour
22:40 VanessaE kaeza: that's consistent with what I'd expect given the size of the media being downloaded.
22:40 leo_rockway what's the default walkspeed_max? 4?
22:40 Renoki playing this makes me think "Why don't I just play Minecraft instead?"
22:40 kaeza i'm in
22:40 Uberi anyone know why the flatland mod is so SLOOOW?
22:41 Kacey 5 more minutes
22:41 Renoki any servers I can join?
22:41 VanessaE no idea uberi
22:41 Uberi I wrote my own that only generates a 1 block thick ground
22:41 Uberi but even that is slow
22:41 VanessaE celeron55: you seeing this? some users ARE seeing an improvement with that branch in place on the server.
22:41 Uberi TCP blocks?
22:42 * leo_rockway builds without speed hack
22:42 leo_rockway oh, new shaders branch!
22:42 * leo_rockway likes
22:43 leo_rockway what's the IP and port?
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22:43 VanessaE for the main server, 24.181.193.82 port 30000
22:43 leo_rockway for the one for the tests
22:43 VanessaE for the testing-only server, port 30001.
22:43 leo_rockway okay, I'm joining 30001 then
22:43 Uberi oh that shaders_v4 thing, I sure hope that works with my GPU
22:44 Renoki no server browser? :(
22:44 VanessaE not yet.
22:44 leo_rockway are the anti-cheat limitations going to be removed?
22:45 VanessaE anti-cheat is turned off on my servers.
22:45 VanessaE I hate it. :-)
22:45 leo_rockway me too
22:45 leo_rockway particularly since I cheat o.o
22:45 Renoki does anyone have a server I could join?
22:45 Uberi Renoki: try http://servers.minetest.ru/
22:45 Renoki thanks
22:45 leo_rockway but I never play remote, always local
22:45 Uberi no problem :)
22:45 leo_rockway I disabled the cheat just now, to join
22:46 Uberi there ought to be a good Mesecons build server around
22:46 leo_rockway I'm downloading 1% of media per second
22:46 VanessaE that's good
22:46 VanessaE 1%/second is about what I'd expect.
22:46 leo_rockway 100%, now black screen
22:46 VanessaE that's less than 2 minutes to sign-on versus 20-30 :D
22:46 Uberi I was building a piston airship today and was thinking about how awesome it would be in PvP
22:49 VanessaE celeron55: as long as it won't cause a regression, I recommend merging congestion_setting to master.  It's a definite improvement.
23:03 Uberi ah
23:08 marktraceur So I asked earlier, don't think I got an answer....is the 3D player + carts branch looking to be merged soon?
23:08 VanessaE 3d players already are.
23:08 VanessaE 0.4.4 has those.
23:08 NakedFury I thought it already was
23:08 VanessaE carts is a separate mod.
23:08 marktraceur VanessaE: Wait, is 0.4.4 released?
23:08 Uberi 3d models was merged today, IIRC
23:09 VanessaE marktraceur: only via github sources like usual
23:09 VanessaE Uberi: yesterday
23:09 Uberi VanessaE: ah OK
23:09 * marktraceur is shocked, but happy
23:09 * Uberi still has no sense of time
23:09 marktraceur VanessaE: Where do the player textures come from, the server?
23:09 VanessaE marktraceur: I've got two servers running right now (one main, one testing the congestion branch). both 0.4.4 nearly-latest, both with 3d models and carts.
23:09 VanessaE from the server, yes.
23:10 marktraceur K.
23:10 VanessaE I have the player_textures mod, so several people have their own skins :-)
23:10 marktraceur I think I need to wait for a Windows build before I update my server, and I spend too much time on that server to switch to a new one :P
23:10 VanessaE heh
23:10 VanessaE chickenshit :D
23:12 marktraceur VanessaE: That implies that I'm somehow afraid to change servers...it's not that, but I'd rather forward the existing efforts on one server than start new projects elsewhere!
23:12 VanessaE fair enough :-)
23:12 Renoki so uh
23:13 Renoki will Minetest copy Minecraft exactly or do their own thing in future updates?
23:14 Uberi well it's never really copied minecraft much
23:14 NakedFury you are talking about the player models?
23:14 VanessaE do their own thin, definitely.
23:14 VanessaE but for now, some stuff is similar to minecraft almost out of necessity
23:14 VanessaE player models being the same means we now have a large selection of skins
23:15 VanessaE but new models are possible
23:15 marktraceur Renoki: The thing is, there are so many opportunities to change the game through mods that saying it's a copy is just a matter of what mod pack you're using.
23:15 Renoki heh, true
23:15 Taoki VanessaE: Is your server up and running again? Curious to see my patches to the model from yesterday in practice
23:16 Renoki what I mostly mean is gameplay
23:16 leo_rockway I wouldn't like to see enchantment tables...
23:16 VanessaE Taoki: indeed it is.
23:16 Renoki like fighting, the combat in Minecraft is horrible.
23:16 Taoki awesome, willt ry to login
23:16 kaeza marktraceur I'm trying to compile a windows version right now
23:16 Renoki I'm hoping for better combat in Minetest
23:16 leo_rockway Renoki: minetest is an engine, so different people can have different mods and different ames
23:16 VanessaE 24.181.193.82 ports 30000 (main) and 30001 (testing only)
23:16 leo_rockway the win version was compiled, search the forum
23:16 VanessaE Renoki: mobs.  we have those.
23:16 Renoki BRB
23:16 marktraceur kaeza: I'll need an officially hosted one
23:17 kaeza t you afraid of virus?
23:17 Taoki VanessaE: says it couldn't resolve address
23:17 VanessaE eh?
23:17 Taoki VanessaE: When I try to connect to your IP, MineTest says it couldn't resolve the address
23:18 VanessaE leo's on the 30001 server right now?
23:18 Taoki 24.181.193.82:30001 right?
23:18 kaeza marktraceur: I'm crosscompiling from linux to mingw32, using only official builds of the depends
23:18 VanessaE yes,.
23:18 leo_rockway I am
23:18 marktraceur kaeza: No, but I don't want to point people to http://randomfuckingdownloadsite.com for the download
23:18 Taoki this is weird, wonder why it does that
23:18 VanessaE taoki: typo?
23:18 * marktraceur calls dibs on that domain
23:19 kaeza marktraceur: I use dropbox download it when it's up to test it and i'll ask the admins later to make it in official
23:20 marktraceur kaeza: Yeah, Dropbox would be worse.
23:20 VanessaE Taoki: kaeza is on 30001 also, and khonkhortisan is connected over on 30000
23:20 marktraceur kaeza: This is for the upcoming FSF-hosted server.
23:21 leo_rockway the fsf will host a server?
23:21 kaeza marktraceur: I'm trying to put my 2 cents
23:21 marktraceur leo_rockway: Yes, soon
23:21 leo_rockway marktraceur: nice!
23:21 VanessaE marktraceur: when sfan5 makes his next build, use that.  that's as official as it gets without getting outdated :-)
23:22 marktraceur VanessaE: Well, there are builds on minetest.net, I figure I'll wait for that.
23:22 VanessaE marktraceur: I don't think they'll be kept up-to-date there.
23:22 marktraceur Hrm.
23:22 VanessaE *shrug*
23:22 * marktraceur dislikes that idea
23:23 Uberi I sure hope those get updated
23:23 leo_rockway marktraceur: http://leorockway.com.ar/gnu+linux.png
23:23 marktraceur celeron55: Can you at least host sfan5's builds on minetest.net so it's not annoyingly unofficial when getting Windows downloads?
23:23 leo_rockway marktraceur: I never got to finish the gnu...
23:23 leo_rockway IDK who did the Tux.
23:23 VanessaE leo_rockway: cute :-)
23:23 leo_rockway VanessaE: :D
23:24 marktraceur leo_rockway: Pretty great!
23:24 Taoki yeah was a typo lol, connectong now
23:25 leo_rockway that screenshots seems to be 1 year old
23:26 kaeza Taoki were you Mitsea something
23:27 Taoki MirceaKitsune :)
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23:27 kaeza1 back
23:27 kaeza1 sorry, modem again
23:28 VanessaE oops :-)
23:28 kaeza1 Taoki were you Mitsea something?
23:29 Taoki kaeza1: MirceaKitsune
23:29 Taoki Miss Tea... that's a nick I haven't thought of :P
23:29 kaeza1 yes typo
23:30 marktraceur Taoki: We'd need to give you a Pokemon-themed texture, then
23:30 kaeza1 Taoki: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1143900835.jpg
23:30 Taoki Please give me a pony model and texture if possible :)
23:30 Taoki kaeza1: Looks nice!
23:30 marktraceur Taoki: No, Misty! You would be Misty.
23:31 Taoki that works too
23:32 kaeza VanessaE: crash on F10 LOL
23:32 VanessaE heh
23:32 kaeza first time though
23:35 NakedFury it never happens to me
23:36 Uberi worldediting in 40000 nodes is taking a while...
23:38 VanessaE it'll do that alright
23:40 NakedFury something like that broke the server when I did
23:40 NakedFury it
23:40 Taoki BTW, wanted to mention something else. Since the models code is in, vehicles should theoretically be possible too
23:40 Taoki You can create a LUA entity, attach a player to it as the driver, then read his key input (RBA's patch) to acccelerate and steer that entity
23:41 kaeza is RBA's patch in master?
23:41 Taoki Note that it would be laggy, since it's not local movement. Client sends pressed key to server, server updates movement and sennds that update to clients
23:41 kaeza or a different branch?
23:41 Taoki Sure, with models
23:41 kaeza bbiab
23:42 VanessaE sweet\
23:43 kaeza back
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23:53 kaeza F*CK crash on chat
23:53 VanessaE dammit
23:53 VanessaE kaeza: wrong port :)
23:53 VanessaE you went to 30000 that time :D
23:54 NakedFury hey talking about chat, I have noticed that I cant click anything that is covered by chat
23:54 kaeza oh it got reset after the crash :)
23:54 kaeza ok now
23:55 kaeza NakedFury: that happens
23:55 kaeza just hide chat with F2

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