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Time Nick Message
00:00 NakedFury OldCoder what mods or updates did you do for the servers? at least on 30000
00:00 VanessaE ok, my test server now runs 0.4.4-release.
00:00 VanessaE sign on, look around, grief the shit out of it (or not), and have fun.
00:01 Muadtralk address?
00:01 VanessaE 24.181.193.82 port 30001
00:02 VanessaE lots of mods = it'll take a long while to load.
00:02 VanessaE blame celeron55 for the slow networking ;)
00:02 Uberi I blame the internet
00:02 Muadtralk even with my massive cache folder?
00:02 Uberi yeah, the whole internet
00:02 VanessaE well most of your cache should be valid.
00:02 VanessaE if not all of it.
00:02 VanessaE if it has the same md5's or whatever the client/server goes bt
00:02 VanessaE by
00:03 OldCoder NakedFury, quite a few
00:03 OldCoder NakedFury, I'll summarize in a minute
00:03 Muadtralk gah
00:03 Muadtralk i need a different version
00:04 Muadtralk im only one commit off :(
00:04 OldCoder NakedFury, bug fix to handle a crash, Flowers update, Scaffolding, Secret Passage, Unified Bricks, unique 2D avatars for players, and more!
00:04 * OldCoder bangs a drum!
00:05 NakedFury and something with stairplus?
00:05 OldCoder I don't think so
00:06 NakedFury some blocks like the 1/4 stick type block turned into unknowns
00:07 NakedFury I cant do super thin slabs or the other types
00:07 VanessaE anyone know which mod is it that supplies the /spawn command?
00:07 VanessaE (or any equivalent)
00:07 Muadtralk I know how to make a /spawn command does that count?
00:08 Muadtralk and i tihnk i remember
00:08 VanessaE heh, no :-)
00:08 Muadtralk let me fetch the link
00:08 VanessaE and I'm too lazy to code a new mod to do it :-)
00:08 Muadtralk http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1203
00:08 NakedFury a /spawn command could be added to default minetest game
00:09 Uberi teleportation would be a bit gamebreaking IMO
00:10 Uberi got lost? low on health? just teleport to spawn!
00:10 Muadtralk isnt teleportation already in the default?
00:10 Uberi yes, but it needs a priv
00:10 Uberi the teleport priv, to be specific
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00:10 bulletrulz hello
00:10 Muadtralk yes and its a fairly harmless priv
00:11 Uberi hi bulletrulz
00:11 Muadtralk i mean unles you know exact coordinates its useless
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00:11 Uberi Muadtralk: F5?
00:11 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, hi
00:11 bulletrulz Uberi, hi
00:11 Muadtralk and the only way you can get those is by going to the area and hitting F5
00:11 jordan4ibanez hi
00:11 bulletrulz Muadtralk, hi
00:11 Muadtralk or getting it from someone else
00:11 NakedFury if you want a more punishing teleport then options: A- make it cost something or B- by using it you lose all inventory items
00:12 Uberi Muadtralk: or stand outside a big wall, add maybe 15 to the coordinate, and teleport
00:12 Uberi bam, you got around the wall
00:12 sokomine besides...does anyone have a good solution for the problem with signs (those with letters on that can directly be read) and skyblock? the signs use add_node, which does not seem to call on_placenode (which skyblock needs in order to register that as a sign)
00:12 Uberi and in PvP servers
00:12 Muadtralk or dig through the wall
00:12 Uberi you're about to kill your opponent? oops, he teleported away
00:12 Muadtralk then he is a coward
00:12 Muadtralk and you win with no honour
00:13 Muadtralk so you must hunt him and kill him
00:13 bulletrulz wyd
00:13 Uberi :P
00:14 Uberi seriously though, it breaks gameplay if you can just teleport to -30000 and mine a whole stack of MESE and then teleport back
00:14 Uberi mining should require you to dig
00:14 NakedFury not all servers allow you to teleport
00:15 Uberi of course, and for good reason too
00:15 Muadtralk people who teleport down there usually arent good builders anyway
00:15 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez,
00:15 jordan4ibanez tghjhghgjhhdgfgjhdfkhdtkdrikryetutuetut
00:15 bulletrulz http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3864 IS THERE a linux build jordan4ibanez
00:15 Muadtralk yes compile it yourself
00:15 jordan4ibanez Linux build is cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 && make -j28
00:15 Uberi Muadtralk: that is true, but it would be better to just remove the priv, no?
00:16 bulletrulz oh
00:16 Muadtralk not for those who actually use it for good
00:16 bulletrulz thats just regular minetest nvm
00:16 Muadtralk liek in gameboom i used to love going to the faraway places on the map with /teleport
00:16 NakedFury Uberi that priv is useful for server admins
00:16 Muadtralk like*
00:17 NakedFury they can teleport to problem areas or quickly reach players that need help
00:17 Muadtralk and making places far away from other players so they dont get greived
00:17 Uberi Muadtralk: I'm just not seeing how a survival server can call itself survival if they give their players teleport privs
00:17 Muadtralk it isnt a survival server
00:17 Muadtralk and minetest stopped being a survival game to me
00:17 Uberi I'm talking about servers in general :)
00:17 Uberi not a specific server
00:18 Muadtralk if i want survival I would go to minecraft
00:18 Muadtralk or player singleplayer
00:18 Muadtralk play*
00:18 NakedFury minetest needs something more to be about survival
00:18 Uberi that doesn't mean there aren't people who do play MT survival though
00:18 Muadtralk revise that play single player in minetest-delta
00:19 Muadtralk yes but the current version is so mob unfriendly that survival has become a joke
00:19 Muadtralk which is why i use older versions to play on survival
00:19 Uberi that's true, unfortunately
00:19 NakedFury survival from mobs would be nice and later from other factors
00:19 sokomine what does it take to make it "survival"?
00:19 jordan4ibanez WHERE is the sethome/setspawn mod
00:20 jordan4ibanez Oh right, I made one lol
00:20 Muadtralk yes you did
00:20 NakedFury well to make it survival would mean something out there can and will kill you
00:20 sokomine in mt there are annoying things like falling down, lava, ...in mc there seem to be mobs after you in the dark? pretty annoying
00:20 NakedFury maybe hunger or drowning
00:20 jordan4ibanez I remembered that right when i wrote that, so now I'm a douchebag :D
00:21 Muadtralk well i did give a link to your extracommands mod
00:21 Muadtralk so its somewhat my fault
00:21 Uberi well yes there has to be danger to make it survival
00:21 jordan4ibanez OH SNAP
00:21 jordan4ibanez jails are possible
00:21 sokomine hm
00:21 jordan4ibanez mount the player to a jail cell
00:22 Uberi oh cool
00:22 Muadtralk :D
00:22 Muadtralk grand!
00:22 Uberi someone make a mod!
00:22 Muadtralk quickly!
00:22 Muadtralk i want to trap unsuspecting players in it!
00:23 NakedFury jails are possible without mods, remove interact and place inside a room with no doors
00:23 bulletrulz how to install remobo on lubuntu lol
00:23 Uberi nah there's the fly hack
00:23 NakedFury remove all privs
00:23 Uberi there's no "move" priv so the fly hack still works :(
00:23 Uberi speaking of which, I was going to try to fix that one
00:23 jordan4ibanez Well if you mount the player to the cell, they cannot fly away
00:24 Uberi yep
00:24 sokomine that sounds a bit brutal
00:24 jordan4ibanez badingo
00:24 jordan4ibanez No it;s not, you just have to CUT OFF THEIR ARMS AND LEGS
00:24 Muadtralk :D
00:24 sokomine they where just recently attached! and now you want to cut them off!
00:24 * sokomine throws her arms up in exasperation
00:25 Muadtralk oy! its not like we have done it before?
00:25 Muadtralk oh wait....
00:25 sokomine :-)
00:25 Muadtralk nevermind
00:25 Muadtralk that was a fun day
00:25 Uberi there should be a mod for that!
00:25 Uberi severable_limbs
00:25 * Muadtralk goes to get fitted for his straitjacket
00:26 bulletrulz lol
00:26 bulletrulz gosh what is with mods
00:26 jordan4ibanez bulletrulz
00:26 jordan4ibanez what happened to ubunite
00:26 Muadtralk ubunite.zapto.org?
00:26 Muadtralk i loved that server
00:26 jordan4ibanez no, splitpaw
00:27 jordan4ibanez like the guy himself lol
00:27 Muadtralk ohhhh
00:27 bulletrulz wtf happend when remobo wont install it says dependicie error chkconfig
00:27 Muadtralk mmmmmm
00:27 Muadtralk remobo has always hated me
00:27 Muadtralk but it used to have many many servers on it
00:28 bulletrulz wtf why wont it install
00:28 Muadtralk btw J4IBZ when are you going to restart infinity?
00:28 jordan4ibanez bulletrulz, aren't you ubunite's son or something?
00:28 jordan4ibanez I already restarted it, it's running right now
00:28 Muadtralk on remobo that is
00:28 Muadtralk i noticed on hamachi
00:29 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, nope wtf lol i used to play with u and stormrider all the time remember
00:30 Muadtralk Mr. Craig please respond
00:32 jordan4ibanez to what
00:32 Muadtralk will you ever restart remobo?
00:33 jordan4ibanez Yes
00:34 Muadtralk when?
00:34 bulletrulz dammit why the fuck is remobo being a basterd
00:34 Muadtralk cause you didnt say please and kiss its ass
00:35 jordan4ibanez Maybe at 8:00PM Eastern/standard
00:35 Uberi maybe jupiter isn't aligned with saturn
00:35 Muadtralk hmmmm
00:35 Uberi you need to be able to see venus from outside your window in order for remobo to work
00:40 Octupus Burp?
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00:43 Uberi hey Taoki, congrats on the merge
00:44 babyface1031 hi Octupus
00:45 Octupus Hi babyface1031
00:45 Octupus Hi Taoki
00:50 jordan4ibanez ping
00:51 Muadtralk pong
00:52 Taoki hi
00:52 Taoki Uberi: Thank you :)
01:01 Octupus Someone is smoking weed close to my house I can smell it
01:01 VanessaE save me some
01:01 VanessaE :)
01:03 Octupus Lolz
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01:15 NakedFury something happened to the server, missing many mods
01:16 Octupus M
01:16 NakedFury no technic or moreores
01:16 Octupus What server
01:17 NakedFury bucket, creative, default, doors, dye, give_inital_items, legacy, stairs, vessel, wools
01:17 NakedFury server 30000
01:17 Octupus Minetest.org?
01:17 NakedFury yes
01:19 Octupus O
01:22 Octupus There's nothin better than drinking milo,playing FIFA and smelling those kids smoke weed
01:22 NekoGloop And trying to find compatible mods for the technic pack. Like the portal gun mod and lasers mod. :3
01:26 Octupus Cool
01:29 NekoGloop I just like jamming that thing full till it bursts! :3
01:31 Octupus :)
01:33 * VanessaE grumbles at Muadtralk..
01:34 NekoGloop VanessaE: Why?
01:35 NekoGloop Oh wait, my join/leave messages are off. Derp.
01:35 VanessaE because he pointed me to his player textures mod, then signed off before helping me make it work.
01:36 NekoGloop Meow. :3
01:36 jordan4ibanez Muadtralk: add wienermcwiener on remobo
01:37 NekoGloop jordan4ibanez: Um... He left.
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02:02 OldCoder
02:02 OldCoder This is an unusual step. I ask people to overlook it.
02:03 jordan4ibanez N®ž!NS⌠@R
02:03 OldCoder Landmine. In the next day or two if there is a chance I ask you to see me. I will ask a favor. It is not large and may be interesting. I will be at the keyboard most of the day except for errands to the corner store.
02:03 OldCoder
02:03 OldCoder Repeat. I am paging Landmine. That is all.
02:03 OldCoder
02:04 jordan4ibanez I am a land of mine
02:04 Octupus Landmine was here
02:04 OldCoder This land is mine land // This land is your land
02:04 Octupus Chee I an blind
02:04 OldCoder Octupus, it is not urgent
02:04 OldCoder New York Island etc.
02:05 jordan4ibanez http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBmJay_qdNc&feature=fvwbrel
02:05 VanessaE can someone test this please?  https://github.com/sdzen/player_textures
02:05 VanessaE on 0.4.4 plug in a minecraft skin per the README for one user, see if it actually works?
02:05 VanessaE and tell me what I did wrong since it don't work for me :-)
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02:28 NakedFury OldCoder server 30000 has no mods
02:30 OldCoder NakedFury, they all seem to be missing?
02:30 OldCoder Checking
02:30 NakedFury yep
02:30 NakedFury using /mods only shows default mods
02:30 NakedFury bucket, creative, default, doors, dye, give_inital_items, legacy, stairs, vessel, wools
02:30 OldCoder 01:48:18: ERROR[ServerThread]: LuaEntity name "signs:text" not defined
02:30 OldCoder Odd
02:30 OldCoder Shutting down
02:31 OldCoder Shutting down to avoid further damage
02:31 OldCoder Anybody else?
02:32 OldCoder NakedFury, Sorry. I'll try to figure it out in a bit.
02:32 NakedFury its ok
02:35 babyface1031 no all30004 mods are there
02:40 OldCoder I'll look closely shortly if I can
02:40 OldCoder Would anybody test other worlds?
02:44 * VanessaE gives up
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02:53 * VanessaE pokes Muadtralk
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02:53 Muadtralk yes?
02:54 jordan4ibanez maultdarakl
02:54 jordan4ibanez the server has remoboroaraom now
02:56 NekoGloop jordan4ibanez: I thinknk youu nede tu fdin rouy leplsing
02:56 jordan4ibanez hfkfdkljfakljasfkjaskjfskjgsdkljzskljds jksdfkldkljfsklj k
02:57 NekoGloop Can anyone understand what i said? :3
02:57 jordan4ibanez i think you ned 2 read epilepsy
02:57 NekoGloop Epilepsy has nothing to do with reading...?
02:58 jordan4ibanez In fact it does
02:58 NekoGloop I would know.
02:59 jordan4ibanez I do know. I mean, you read the word epilepsy, DIDN'T YOU
03:00 NekoGloop Nope.
03:00 NekoGloop Didnt bother.
03:01 NekoGloop Had my butler read it.
03:01 jordan4ibanez oh okay
03:02 jordan4ibanez 22:02
03:03 NekoGloop Hm?
03:03 jordan4ibanez 22:03
03:03 jordan4ibanez 22:04
03:04 jordan4ibanez Wow time is going very fast
03:04 NekoGloop del jordan4ibanez/time
03:04 jordan4ibanez ls jordan4ibanez/time
03:04 jordan4ibanez rmdir -rf /
03:05 NekoGloop Shithead person in ##minecraft goes on for half an hour about how he hates the amount of redundancy in the technic pack, then ' have I mentioned that I'm back to vanilla? '
03:05 NekoGloop format jordan4ibanez
03:08 jordan4ibanez Neko
03:08 jordan4ibanez Come
03:08 jordan4ibanez ONto
03:08 jordan4ibanez MY
03:08 jordan4ibanez SERVER
03:09 NekoGloop Would if i could but i cant so i wont.
03:14 Muadtralk jordan4ibanez sign onto remobo!
03:15 VanessaE ew.
03:16 NekoGloop ew.
03:16 NekoGloop .we
03:16 Muadtralk :P
03:16 Muadtralk id rather have him do that then have me install hamachi
03:18 VanessaE don't use either one :-)
03:18 VanessaE you don't need remobo/hamachi to run a server.  you just need a good firewall.
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03:21 OldCoder <jordan4ibanez> rmdir -rf /
03:21 OldCoder The old stand by
03:21 OldCoder One size fits all
03:21 VanessaE now now.
03:23 * OldCoder chuckles
03:25 VanessaE all right G*d damn it.
03:25 VanessaE OldCoder: what did you say you did to clear up the congestion?
03:26 VanessaE iow how do I disable the congestion control and let my normal network subsystem handle it like it's supposed to?
03:30 OldCoder VanessaE, I am only experimenting at this point. celeron55 directed me to a routine and asked me to play with it.
03:30 OldCoder I am doing so
03:30 OldCoder I will post the code later; can't tonight
03:30 OldCoder Still need to keep other promises here
03:31 OldCoder Oh!
03:31 OldCoder VanessaE, that is an interesting thought... disable it entirely? That might be very easy
03:31 OldCoder VanessaE, should I try that?
03:32 VanessaE I'd like to try it here actually,.
03:32 VanessaE oh, you gotta tweak the code?
03:32 VanessaE ok, you test it :D
03:33 OldCoder I will do so
03:33 OldCoder Next step is to build a matching client
03:33 OldCoder Will get to that this week. I promised NekoGloop I would and that was weeks ago.
03:33 VanessaE ok
03:34 OldCoder NekoGloop BTW I *do* have the TANK patch in my code now
03:34 NekoGloop I honestly dont even remember what i asked for.
03:34 NekoGloop And i hope so, it's part of upstream now.
03:45 sokomine how does adding playerskins work with the new 3d-player?
03:46 VanessaE character.png - minecraft format.
03:46 VanessaE hats/headwear if present won't be used
03:46 NekoGloop Aw. Means my hoodie is borked.
03:47 NekoGloop And awesome headphones too.
03:47 VanessaE player_textures mod can be used to give players their own model skins too.  sdzen and I are on my (laggy) server each with a different model than the default.
03:58 jordan4ibanez how do i make it so this server doesn't write a debug.txt?
03:58 NekoGloop jordan4ibanez: Dont think you can.
03:58 jordan4ibanez I can, it's a hack though
03:58 VanessaE symlink it to /dev/null :-)
03:59 jordan4ibanez it's like ./minetest/bin/minetestserver --debug="" or whatever
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04:14 jordan4ibanez What are server unit tests?
04:15 jordan4ibanez celeron55, what are unit tests?
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04:31 bulletrulz hi
04:31 VanessaE hi
04:34 khonkhortisan (if I don't join or leave, you don't know I'm here)
04:34 VanessaE lol
04:37 mrtux good night
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04:54 jordan4ibanez Real bad removed technic?
04:54 jordan4ibanez are you fucking kidding me
04:55 khonkhortisan must've been a good reason? maybe?
04:55 VanessaE wha?
04:56 VanessaE the github repo is still there though
04:56 VanessaE https://github.com/RealBadAngel/technic
04:57 jordan4ibanez Forking before we have another cornernote incident
04:57 VanessaE I've forked it just to be safe.
04:57 VanessaE https://github.com/VanessaE/technic
04:58 khonkhortisan why? What did cornernote do?
04:58 VanessaE he burned out
04:58 VanessaE took his toys and went home
04:59 VanessaE :(
04:59 khonkhortisan oh, "get your own football".
04:59 VanessaE basically.
04:59 VanessaE as for RBA, I have no idea wtf is going on
05:03 jordan4ibanez boats are very very possible now :)
05:03 VanessaE yup
05:03 jordan4ibanez I'll be creating a boat mod tomorrow ^^
05:05 khonkhortisan (raft mod)
05:06 jordan4ibanez No, boats, like real entity boats
05:06 jordan4ibanez cornernote also cloned my turret mod, idk why, now i can create turrets you can sit on and fire
05:06 khonkhortisan collisions?!
05:06 khonkhortisan or rather, joints?
05:06 khonkhortisan hm.
05:07 jordan4ibanez Sure, just make the entity physical
05:08 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/screenshot_991656039.png
05:08 VanessaE oops
05:08 VanessaE sokomine:  ^^^^^^
05:08 jordan4ibanez That's madness lol
05:08 VanessaE which?  HDX textures with minecraft lowrez models? :-)
05:09 jordan4ibanez Them combined
05:09 VanessaE heh
05:09 sokomine looks agreeable i think :-)
05:10 VanessaE I need to get off my lazy ass and update HDX for homedecor and farming...and a bunch of others too.
05:10 sokomine boats sound good
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05:14 Aqua hi
05:18 VanessaE hi
05:18 khonkhortisan I'd prefer hypercube player models in a cubical world
05:18 khonkhortisan but that's just me
05:19 sokomine hypercube?
05:21 Aqua finished downloading linux ;)
05:22 VanessaE cool, aqua
05:23 Aqua now what?
05:25 VanessaE burn it to a CD and boot with it.
05:25 VanessaE If it gives you a boot menu, select the "Try without installing" link
05:25 VanessaE bear in mind:
05:26 VanessaE booting and running from a CD is inherently slow.
05:26 VanessaE this cannot be improved much.
05:26 Aqua can i use a usb?
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05:27 Aqua and will it still have microsoft word and powerpoint etc.....
05:27 sokomine yes, but it has to be properly installed so that the stick will boot
05:28 sokomine no, linux doesn't come with word and powerpoint. there is openoffice for most of these things
05:29 Aqua so ill lose all my stuff i have on it for e.g games, gimp, notepad, chrome .............
05:30 Aqua and will i lose all my documents?
05:31 VanessaE no
05:31 VanessaE if you boot from CD and just run from there, it will run slow but your system won't be changed.
05:31 VanessaE if you install "alongside" windows, your documents will still be there.
05:31 VanessaE but,
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05:31 VanessaE you should make a backup anyway
05:31 VanessaE better safe than sorry
05:31 Aqua how?
05:32 VanessaE save your documents to a thumb drive or something
05:32 sokomine don't format or partition your hard drive if you want to be sure
05:32 VanessaE don't take this the wrong way, but if you don't know how to make a backup, linux is not for you.
05:32 sokomine make a backup (can never hurt)
05:33 Aqua so i will lose microsoft word etc.?
05:34 VanessaE aqua you are not listening.
05:34 VanessaE if you boot from CD and just run from there, it will run slow but your system won't be changed.
05:34 VanessaE if you install "alongside" windows, your documents will still be there.
05:34 VanessaE but, you should make a backup anyway.
05:34 sokomine you won't loose it. you just can't use it at the same time you're using linux because those programs are written for windows and not for linux. there are emulators that work to a degree, but if you want to run windows stuff, stick to windows
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05:34 VanessaE linux can read most microsoft document formats, you will not lose then.
05:34 kaeza hey guys.
05:34 kaeza and ladies of course
05:35 VanessaE hi kaeza
05:35 Aqua hi
05:35 VanessaE kaeza: got 0.4.4 handy?
05:35 kaeza how's it going?
05:35 kaeza what?
05:35 VanessaE what what?
05:35 kaeza a new mt version?
05:35 VanessaE it's going very well :-)
05:35 sokomine hi
05:35 VanessaE yes, 0.4.4 was released (in github) today
05:35 VanessaE WITH 3D MODELS!!
05:36 kaeza yay i'm gonna pee myself :D
05:36 Aqua but can windows open openoffice?
05:36 Aqua really 0.4.4 came out?
05:36 VanessaE openoffice can save into microsoft formats.
05:36 VanessaE and windows can run openoffice if you want.
05:36 VanessaE and openoffice can read microsoft word
05:36 VanessaE so you won't lose anything.
05:36 VanessaE but I told you.
05:37 VanessaE if you don't know how to make a backup, you should not be running Linux yet.
05:37 kaeza V: I'll doenload it right now
05:37 VanessaE you have some learning to do first.
05:37 kaeza download*
05:37 VanessaE Aqua: yes, 0.4.4 is out, source code only for now, so you have to build it.  It is NOT COMPATIBLE with 0.4.3 servers/
05:38 kaeza as long as it's more stable than 0.4.3
05:38 VanessaE not sure one way or the other.
05:38 kaeza I don't care rebuilding
05:38 Aqua where can u find it?
05:38 VanessaE now,
05:39 Aqua nvrmind
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05:39 VanessaE when you're done installing 0.4.4, go find a good minecraft skin file and tell me the URL.
05:39 VanessaE because you're gonna sign onto my little test server at 24.181.193.82 port 30001
05:39 VanessaE (I'll need your exact username, case sensitive, so I can install the skin you picked)
05:40 Aqua where to find 0.4.4?
05:40 VanessaE Aqua: source code only, on the usual github repositories.
05:40 VanessaE it is not available for windows yet.
05:40 Aqua :(
05:40 kaeza now DL'ing
05:42 khonkhortisan sokomine, a four-dimensional cube as the player entity
05:42 kaeza now building, hope it goes OK
05:42 VanessaE it will. :-)
05:43 VanessaE kaeza: let me know when you have a skin URL (you don't need to download it)
05:43 kaeza ok
05:44 kaeza just one question. Do i have to move/delete my worlds folder?
05:44 VanessaE no
05:44 VanessaE well, I mean if you wanna copy the data over to your 0.4.4 build go ahead
05:44 kaeza 40% built YAY!
05:44 VanessaE but if you do the run-in-place = 0 like I usually do, you can just run from the 0.4.3 stuff and that'll work
05:44 VanessaE just don't try to connect to an 0.4.3 server like redcrab's yet. that won't work :-)
05:44 kaeza ok
05:46 kaeza I think I'll keep 0.4.3 around a bit until everybody makes the migration
05:46 kaeza I'll play 0.4.4 locally
05:47 kaeza YAY 75%!!
05:48 khonkhortisan I haven't played for a while so I missed the upgrade. Better luck next upgrade.e
05:49 hmmmm it's not compatible because of that one field to the player position packet
05:49 VanessaE yup
05:49 hmmmm there's no reason why it should be incompatible
05:49 hmmmm hmmmmm
05:50 hmmmm if i were you guys, i'd pull it before anybody else downloads it, and have the client and server simply ignore new fields
05:50 kaeza how do I test it from within the builddir?
05:50 VanessaE celeron55 said it wouldn't be worth making it compatible.
05:50 hmmmm it's so simple
05:50 hmmmm it's even added onto the end of the packet
05:50 * hmmmm sigh
05:51 kaeza tried ./minetest and ./src/minetest and dont work
05:51 kaeza doesn't*
05:51 hmmmm 'doesn't work
05:51 VanessaE bin/minetest
05:51 sokomine that would be a good idea, hmm. when i started playing minetest it was quite difficult to find a server where my recently downloaded client would work
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05:51 hmmmm all it needs to do is verify that the incoming packet is _at least as large_ as it's going to parse
05:51 hmmmm doesn't need to be exactly equal to the size it expects
05:51 VanessaE sokomine: which is *exactly* why I rode celeron55's ass about the version number.
05:52 sokomine apart from that it is definitely worth a new version number :-)
05:53 sokomine if it could be made more compatible that would be great
05:53 hmmmm if compatibility is going to be broken like this, you really ought to force^H^H^H^H^H strongly suggest that everybody updates
05:53 khonkhortisan ^H?
05:54 hmmmm that's me hitting the backspace key that's broken because my TERM wasn't set to vt220
05:54 hmmmm it's an old version of the 'strikethrough' bbcode you see on some forums
05:54 khonkhortisan setxkbmap shift:both_capslock will break your shift release signal-
05:55 khonkhortisan but I already said that
05:55 VanessaE it's also used to mean "er..no delete that because I shouldn't say that"
05:56 kaeza everything running ok
05:56 hmmmm i mean it's trivial to just package in wget or use libcurl or something, no?
05:56 khonkhortisan there should be a programming language that uses the ÷ ≤ ≥ symbols
05:56 hmmmm there is
05:56 hmmmm it's called PL/1
05:56 hmmmm nobody used it because you needed a special keyboard to type in the special symbols it needed
05:57 khonkhortisan compose key is all you need
05:57 kaeza hmmmm: exactly. Programming languages are meant for US-ASCII codepages/encodings
05:57 VanessaE heh
05:57 khonkhortisan if it came with its own editor, it might be more popular
05:58 VanessaE ¢ømpø$ə :-)
05:58 kaeza it's almost the same reason you cant say "función ésta_es_mi_función ( parámetro )"
05:58 khonkhortisan hmm, I don't know that c. ¢ ¢c  â†’ə← I can't find the vertical bar c!
05:59 khonkhortisan oh.
05:59 khonkhortisan silly font. it's a slash.
05:59 kaeza try  Alt-Gr + the key below ESC
05:59 VanessaE or a pipe.
05:59 VanessaE <compose> c pipe
05:59 khonkhortisan función ésta_es_mi_función (parámetro )
05:59 kaeza oh forget it it's for es_ES keyboards I think
06:00 khonkhortisan compose is shift-right alt for me
06:00 khonkhortisan compose+'+o = ó
06:00 khonkhortisan Resumé
06:00 kaeza I think it was also Alt+98
06:00 khonkhortisan Ernõ Rubik's Cube
06:00 kaeza does not work on linux tho'
06:00 khonkhortisan alt+numbers don't work for me
06:00 khonkhortisan can't figure out how to turn it on, either.
06:01 kaeza me neither
06:01 kaeza works on windowze
06:01 kaeza but not on linux
06:02 khonkhortisan bet you can't type upside down! uɐsıʇɹoɥʞuoɥʞ
06:02 VanessaE heh
06:02 khonkhortisan (I can't either)
06:02 hmmmm kaeza:  this was before ASCII
06:02 hmmmm since IBM made it, it was probably designed for EBCDIC
06:03 khonkhortisan what really bugs me is if I'm browsing the internet in UTF-8 and a website comes along in Windows-1252 with no encoding information.
06:03 VanessaE this sentence is umop əp!sdn
06:03 celeron55 07:50:43 < hmmmm> there's no reason why it should be incompatible
06:03 celeron55 there are many reasons
06:03 VanessaE (and I had to type that manually because I don't know how to flip it :-) )
06:03 khonkhortisan haha looks upside down to me
06:03 hmmmm ??
06:03 khonkhortisan I used a text flipping website
06:03 hmmmm from what i understand only one field was appended to the end of a packet
06:03 celeron55 i won't even bother explaining
06:03 kaeza VanessaE: http://www.minecraftxl.com/skin-31.html
06:03 celeron55 hmmmm: lol?
06:03 khonkhortisan just replaces characters, not adding anything special to them
06:04 hmmmm I guess i didn't get the full story?
06:04 kaeza hi celeron
06:04 celeron55 hmmmm: then you've understood very wrong
06:04 khonkhortisan mario has transparent textures
06:04 celeron55 i wonder who you have been listening
06:04 VanessaE kaeza: ok.  What's your sign-on name going to be?
06:04 jordan4ibanez Hi celeron55
06:04 khonkhortisan a double head texture
06:04 VanessaE just "kaeza" in all lowercase?
06:04 hmmmm er
06:04 hmmmm i'll read the backlogs
06:05 kaeza yep
06:05 celeron55 it WOULD be possible, IF there was a proper way of negotiating the network protocol from multiple versions between a client and a server, or something like that, but there isn't
06:05 VanessaE kaeza: ok.
06:05 celeron55 also, i just noticed there are some modified serialization thingies that didn't get their version properly raised
06:05 VanessaE installed.
06:05 khonkhortisan there could be a separate program called minetalk that is a middleman between different minetest versions
06:05 khonkhortisan but that would be some work
06:05 hmmmm what a hacky solution
06:06 khonkhortisan yep
06:06 VanessaE kaeza: now sign on to 24.181.193.82 port 30001 with that userid.
06:06 khonkhortisan better to actually fix it in the same program
06:06 kaeza ok gonna try
06:06 hmmmm it reminds me of what people did to fix old chat clients for a proprietary, binary game protocol
06:06 jordan4ibanez Tomorrow: jetpacks, and boats
06:07 kaeza connecting
06:07 kaeza almost there
06:08 VanessaE how's the bandnarrowth?
06:08 sokomine the reason why it would be good to allow diffrent clients to connect to the same server is because new players usually don't have much of a clue and might think there are no servers out there just because they don't find matching servers
06:08 VanessaE (as opposed to bandwidth ;-)  )
06:08 khonkhortisan that's also caused my having no server list in the client
06:09 kaeza :) it may be on my side. this crapy huawei wireless modem of mine is crappy as hell
06:09 sokomine at least i had that problem. finally redcrabs server worked. all the other in the list had a diffrent version...
06:09 VanessaE kaeza: no, it's celeron55's fault. :-)
06:09 kaeza 61% media
06:09 kaeza lol
06:09 kaeza still 61%
06:09 kaeza WOW 64%
06:10 kaeza going in
06:10 kaeza erm...
06:10 kaeza ok
06:10 celeron55 oh hell wtf
06:10 sokomine you'll eventually arrive. it was worse before :-) now some mods with lots of diffrent colored wood and brick are removed
06:11 celeron55 i'm going to make this completely incompatible what this is now later today
06:11 celeron55 there are some deep crap in here
06:11 Aqua hi again
06:12 VanessaE what?
06:12 VanessaE then bump the version number again.
06:12 VanessaE enough of this "but I *have* latest git!" crap.
06:14 celeron55 maybe i should not have moved the stuff upstream after all yet
06:14 VanessaE naw
06:14 VanessaE it works pretty well in practice.
06:14 celeron55 i'm not going to listen that whining
06:14 kaeza hi
06:14 VanessaE *facepalm*
06:15 kaeza pretty house V
06:15 VanessaE it ain't mine, it's sdzen's :-)
06:15 celeron55 if taoki doesn't properly do serialization stuffs and i don't immediately notice it, i won't screw up versioning or my day because of it
06:15 kaeza oh cheers to him then :)
06:15 VanessaE I built a few structures to replace what got lost in the reset earlier today, but I didn't actually build anything worthwhile :-)
06:16 celeron55 and next time i'll not update the version before it gets stable
06:16 celeron55 life is full of learning 8)
06:16 VanessaE celeron55: it hasn't been "stable" since sometime early into 0.4 to begin with :)
06:17 kaeza I don't seem to be loading anything besides the first chunk. I SWEAR YOU MODEM! I'LL BURN YOU ONE OF THESE DAYS!!!
06:17 VanessaE haha
06:18 VanessaE kaeza: still not getting any map data>?
06:19 kaeza nope. I can see some gray blocks and  smiling slimes
06:19 kaeza but only the first chunk
06:19 VanessaE strange.
06:20 kaeza ok the gray blocks are carts, and I loaded the station
06:20 VanessaE right, those carts need new textures.
06:20 VanessaE that's up to PilzAdam
06:20 sokomine that's a start
06:20 kaeza I tell you, it's on my side. It literally took me 4 mins to DL a 24KB jpeg
06:21 VanessaE dayum
06:21 kaeza oh
06:21 VanessaE celeron55: the broken network congestion code, can it be disabled via the config?
06:22 kaeza you are standing on thin air V :)
06:22 VanessaE I am?
06:22 VanessaE jeez :-()
06:22 celeron55 it can't be controlled in any way in any config
06:22 VanessaE :-)
06:23 kaeza where i am is the end of the world
06:23 celeron55 it could be made so though
06:23 kaeza cannot go further
06:23 VanessaE celeron55: please do.  15 kB/sec over a non-congested link that can sustain 330 kB/sec is just wrong.
06:23 VanessaE kaeza: maybe if you log out and back in again?
06:23 kaeza k
06:24 kaeza connecting
06:24 VanessaE celeron55: also, you may be interested to know that I reduced the number of nodes on the test server by 25%.
06:25 kaeza going in again
06:26 VanessaE any better?
06:26 kaeza nope, same thing
06:26 kaeza wait
06:26 kaeza I'll exit completely and reconnect
06:27 VanessaE reconnect through the wireless you mean?
06:27 kaeza core dump on exit
06:27 VanessaE heh
06:27 kaeza but I was running 2 instances, so don't really know which one
06:27 VanessaE I get that too sometimes
06:28 VanessaE complete with a backtrace that means nothing to me
06:28 VanessaE :)
06:28 kaeza lol
06:29 kaeza "b706c000-b7077000 r-xp 00000000 08:05 791163 ..." that is like it's saying "F*CK YOU!!!" to me :)
06:29 VanessaE rofl
06:30 kaeza ok now connecting
06:31 kaeza oh and BTW http://xkcd.com/371/
06:31 kaeza as you said, they have a comic for every situation :)
06:31 VanessaE bahahahaha
06:32 VanessaE even my husband laughed at that one :-)
06:35 kaeza lol
06:36 kaeza k now i can see past the farm, but don't get the station
06:36 VanessaE give it time
06:36 VanessaE at least it's *trying* to load.
06:41 kaeza VanessaE: look from my perspective https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_997135989.png
06:41 VanessaE weird.
06:42 kaeza It may be a problem on your side this time. Cause I can download the entire internet in a few minutes
06:42 VanessaE sigh
06:42 VanessaE celeron55: you seeing this?
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06:44 kaeza I'll try moving side to side and tll me if I lag
06:44 kaeza tell*
06:44 VanessaE wait.
06:44 khonkhortisan this one caught me off-guard
06:44 VanessaE I see you walking around.
06:44 khonkhortisan http://xkcd.com/391/
06:46 VanessaE khonkhortisan: I actually don't get that one.
06:47 kaeza here https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_997120186.png
06:47 khonkhortisan this explains it http://www.losethegame.com/
06:48 VanessaE lol
06:49 kaeza khonkhortisan: lol
06:50 kaeza finally! It removed the grass from my inventory :)
06:51 kaeza also "Beware! High-kump-trampline[sic]!"
06:51 kaeza lol
06:51 kaeza jump*
06:52 VanessaE oh sure NOW I'm starting to lag.
06:52 VanessaE and I'm on the same machine as the server
06:53 kaeza how's that?
06:53 VanessaE I just tried to edit the typo'd sign
06:53 VanessaE no reaction from the server when I hit enter.
06:53 kaeza to me you're still with sokomime
06:54 VanessaE signed off/on and the text is changed.
06:54 VanessaE (didn't restart the server)
06:55 kaeza ok i'll try that too
06:55 kaeza that's strange...
06:55 VanessaE dunno why either.
06:57 kaeza the thing is it seems to work ok for both of you. and for me everything except chunk loading
06:57 kaeza maybe it didn't build ok somehow?
06:58 VanessaE I have no clue :-/
06:58 VanessaE I mean, if I'm running the client on the same machine as the server, there's no way in hell I should lah
06:58 VanessaE lag*
06:58 VanessaE yet I appear to have been doing do, either that or that signs mod is b0rk3d.
06:59 kaeza that's truly weird, but it happened for me on 0.4.3 aldo
06:59 kaeza also*
06:59 VanessaE ok then that means I didn't do anything wrong
06:59 kaeza I removed most of the mods from my game and it's working better
06:59 kaeza especially MOBF
06:59 VanessaE that won't affect anything when you're on a server.
07:00 VanessaE only singleplayer.
07:00 kaeza no I mean, when the problem I described yesterday (the game crashing, and lots of purple objects) I removed most mods and it's working better
07:01 VanessaE oh ok
07:01 kaeza maybe you should check the mods you installed on the server?
07:01 VanessaE yeah. MOBF is a nasty one for that.
07:01 VanessaE but I've gone through all the mods on my server and weeded out everything that was either a CPU hog or added tons of useless nodes.
07:02 kaeza ok, so from what I see, it's flowers, cart, and junglegrass only?
07:02 VanessaE lots more than that :-)
07:02 VanessaE /mods
07:02 kaeza oh and the trampoline thing and signs
07:02 kaeza WOW!
07:03 VanessaE :_)
07:03 VanessaE :)
07:04 kaeza maybe node_ownership?
07:04 kaeza maybe it's causing problems
07:04 kaeza nevermind
07:05 kaeza I was thinking about protector
07:05 VanessaE doubt it, there's only one owned area, the spawn (by me)
07:06 kaeza oh it works ok now
07:06 kaeza it's magic!
07:06 khonkhortisan Line n:   cam.x = 0;      Line n+1:   printf("%i", cam.x);      output: 2068705280   :(
07:07 kaeza :O
07:08 kaeza where is that?
07:08 khonkhortisan separate opengl thing I'm writing
07:09 khonkhortisan ah. %f, not %d or %i.
07:09 kaeza oh nevermind then
07:10 khonkhortisan that took me a day of mostly doing something else to figure that out
07:10 kaeza what compiler are you using? GCC warns in such situation
07:11 khonkhortisan no it doesn't
07:12 khonkhortisan gcc main.cpp -lglut -lGLEW -lGLU -lm && ./a.out
07:12 khonkhortisan unless I need a -Wsomething
07:12 kaeza then do "gcc main.cpp -Wall -lglut -lGLEW -lGLU -lm && ./a.out
07:12 kaeza then do "gcc -Wall main.cpp -lglut -lGLEW -lGLU -lm && ./a.out
07:12 kaeza sorry
07:12 khonkhortisan either way
07:13 kaeza yes
07:13 kaeza nevermind
07:13 khonkhortisan yeah, that gives me stuff I was missing
07:13 khonkhortisan main.cpp:138:23: warning: format ‘%i’ expects argument of type ‘int’, but argument 2 has type ‘double’ [-Wformat]
07:13 khonkhortisan that would've saved me some time
07:13 kaeza better yet add -Werror after -Wall
07:13 kaeza to turn warns to errors
07:14 kaeza almost always a warning means something wrong with the code
07:14 khonkhortisan better to be strict when I have no idea what I'm doing
07:15 kaeza right
07:16 kaeza and better start using `-o'
07:16 kaeza :)
07:17 khonkhortisan oh yeah. I don't have a purpose, goal, name, or multiple files yet though
07:17 kaeza it's good practice to do so anyway, except if it's just a test thing
07:21 khonkhortisan if I put main.cpp twice it gives me errors about previous definitions between temp files
07:22 khonkhortisan oh, did I steal the topic? Go back to talking about minetest and mods and stuff
07:22 kaeza no
07:22 kaeza I just like talking about these things
07:23 * celeron55 is fiddling around with protocol version stuff
07:23 kaeza what do you mean if you put main.cpp twice?
07:23 khonkhortisan exactly what I said: gcc -Wall -Werror main.cpp main.cpp -o Kyle -lglut -lGLEW -lGLU -lm && ./Kyle
07:24 khonkhortisan /tmp/cch1yj6M.o:(.data+0x0): multiple definition of `WinID'
07:24 khonkhortisan /tmp/ccGtoW0t.o:(.data+0x0): first defined here
07:24 * kaeza will certainly invite c55 a beer if he fixes this little thing :)
07:24 khonkhortisan done by accident, of course
07:25 kaeza but why would you do that?
07:25 kaeza nevermind
07:29 * khonkhortisan is going back in time to geometry class to move the camera along its local rotated axes
07:29 kaeza Don't look at me! I sorely suck at geometry.
07:29 kaeza :(
07:33 VanessaE kaeza: sign out/in plz.
07:33 VanessaE kaeza: I'm testing something... :-)
07:34 kaeza k
07:34 VanessaE meet me at spawn.
07:34 kaeza going in
07:36 VanessaE look at testuser.  what do you see?
07:37 kaeza hey! nice texes!
07:38 VanessaE you see a high-rez guy in a light blue shirt, dark blue pants, rather than the green polka dot shirt?
07:38 kaeza hmm 64px
07:38 kaeza yes
07:38 VanessaE yeah, that's misa's player skin.
07:38 kaeza oh nice :)
07:38 VanessaE didn't work the way I wanted.  I didn't want it to override the player skin like that.
07:39 VanessaE (I wanted it to only be visible on my end, probably need to put it in a different folder so the server can't see it)
07:39 KikaRz-sleeping computer rebooting
07:39 kaeza wut?
07:39 VanessaE *shrug*
07:40 kaeza It shouldn't be seen on my end?
07:40 VanessaE no.
07:40 VanessaE I wanted it only to be visible from my end, since it's an HD skin.
07:40 kaeza blue pants (I think) andlight gray T-shirt
07:41 VanessaE I don't want the server sending anything but the defaults right now.
07:41 VanessaE (and the per-player skins of course)
07:42 kaeza I like the hands.
07:42 kaeza hmm..
07:43 kaeza I don't get it. why not send other players' textures?
07:43 VanessaE nonononono
07:43 * kaeza is startled
07:44 VanessaE I don't want the server sending out any player skins except the per-player ones we have been using today.  that misa skin was being used as the *default* player skin, which is not what I wanted.
07:45 VanessaE I wanted it to be the default only for my end, not for everyone.
07:45 khonkhortisan Can you delegate power to certain people to only be skinners but not mods/admins?
07:45 VanessaE since I use a HD texture pack.
07:45 kaeza but then I won't be able to see other players' skins
07:45 VanessaE khonkhortisan: installing skins requires CLI access on the server.
07:45 VanessaE kaeza: nononononononononno
07:45 khonkhortisan Another thing the client can't do
07:45 kaeza you use an hd pack? it seems 16px from my end
07:46 VanessaE kaeza: yeah, on my *client*,
07:46 VanessaE on the *server* I use the default textures.
07:46 khonkhortisan You'll see regular people with the normal skin, and special people with their own skins
07:46 VanessaE I wanted that mida player skin to be the same way.
07:46 khonkhortisan oh.
07:46 VanessaE misa*
07:46 kaeza that means that works ok at least
07:46 kaeza is the
07:47 kaeza are the player textures handled differently by the engine?
07:47 VanessaE not effectively.
07:47 * kaeza also wants to kill his keyboard
07:47 VanessaE they seem to be handled pretty much the same as any other texture file.
07:48 kaeza so that's weird
07:48 kaeza may I take a peek at the code?
07:49 VanessaE code?
07:49 kaeza minetest I mean
07:49 VanessaE er...get it from github? :-)
07:49 kaeza I get it, but where is the code that sends media to clients?
07:50 kaeza got*
07:50 VanessaE oh that
07:50 VanessaE no clue
07:50 kaeza hmm..
07:50 * kaeza is currently entering the amazonas rainforest
07:52 kaeza celeron55 are you here?
07:52 ecube is there a setting in the source files that sets the font and/or the font color?
07:53 celeron55 pushed some interesting stuff: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commits/master
07:54 celeron55 that will now work with 0.4.3 too
07:54 VanessaE nice
07:54 ecube nvm
07:54 VanessaE celeron55: guess it was worth the effort after all ;-)
07:54 kaeza celeron55 where is the code that sends media to the client?
07:54 celeron55 Taoki|away: your odd non-initializing animation problems were due to this: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/ab507f83e2e0b1f442341724bc47a8480667628e
07:55 celeron55 VanessaE: $20 -> http://www.minetest.net/donations.php
07:55 ecube nice work
07:55 VanessaE heh, if I had it, you'd get it :-)
07:55 celeron55 it wasn't worth it, but it's kind of interesting to fix problems made by other people
07:55 celeron55 as long as people don't whine
07:56 kaeza nice
07:56 kaeza does it mean I can connect from 0.4.3 to 0.4.4?
07:56 celeron55 0.4.3 can't connect to a 0.4.4 server
07:56 kaeza oh
07:56 kaeza silly me
07:56 celeron55 but that wasn't the real issue anyway
07:57 kaeza extensibility right?
07:57 kaeza or something like that
07:58 kaeza BTW in which file is the code that sends media to the client?
07:58 celeron55 or, even if it was the real issue, it wouldn't be nearly as easy-ish to do
07:58 kaeza It's a real jungle in there
07:59 kaeza just tell me a single thing that is easy to do in networking :)
07:59 celeron55 (because there is the basically unsolvable issue of making old clients see something reasonable for things that are defined to have 3d visuals)
08:00 kaeza i see.
08:00 kaeza I may be a bit naive suggesting this, but maybe just send the facedir
08:00 kaeza ?
08:01 celeron55 kaeza: grep for "Media" in server.cpp
08:01 kaeza I haven't looked at the protocol the game uses though
08:01 kaeza ok
08:01 kaeza I'll do
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08:01 KikaRz-nothere installing vs2010 ultimate
08:03 kaeza 2010? so oldschool
08:03 VanessaE haha
08:05 celeron55 i think we'll have to move to some kind of a generic binary serialization format that uses numeric keysi
08:05 celeron55 -i
08:05 celeron55 it's 100% required for the meta_set_nodedef branch at least
08:05 celeron55 and will get rid of some of this compatibility crap
08:06 celeron55 (mostly in the sense of making code written by newbies to work in more cases)
08:07 VanessaE celeron55: confirmed, 0.4.4 with that latest commit works on an 0.4.3 server (redcrab.suret.net:30401)
08:07 VanessaE just fyi. :-)
08:08 kaeza that's awesomeness!
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08:10 kaeza1 sorry, connection died
08:10 kaeza1 i'm back
08:11 kaeza1 oh sorry V, was using 30001
08:11 kaeza1 now i'm going in
08:12 VanessaE no prob.
08:12 VanessaE sorry for the confusion.
08:12 VanessaE with celeron55's latest commit I was able to merge it back into my regular install, so the port number got reset as a side effect :-)
08:14 kaeza1 hello
08:14 VanessaE hey
08:14 kaeza1 oh crap this modem
08:14 kaeza1 nevermind
08:14 VanessaE heh
08:15 kaeza ClientEnvironment::processActiveObjectMessage(): id=42 type=e SerializationError in processMessage(), message="\u0000\u0002\u0000\n\u0001\u0000\u0000\u0013\u0088\u00ff\u00ff\u00fe\u009f\u00ff\u00ff\u00ff\u0006\u00ff\u00ff\u00fe\u009f\u0000\u0000\u0001a\u0000\u0000\u0000\u00fa\u0000\u0000\u0001a\u0000\u0004cube\u0000\u0000\u0000\u0000\u0001\u00f4\u0000\u0000\u0001\u00f4\u0000\u0006\u0000\rslime_top.png\u0000\u0010slime_bottom.png\u0000\u000fslime_front.png\u0
08:15 VanessaE ?
08:16 kaeza that's what I get when I connect
08:16 VanessaE they've been working fine for me?
08:16 kaeza oh forget it, my bad
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08:16 VanessaE you suck :D
08:16 kaeza I'll do a rebuild
08:16 celeron55 oh that kind of stuff
08:16 kaeza yes I do :(
08:16 celeron55 there might be problems with entities still
08:18 kaeza yes, I also get lots of blue (?) "unknown objects"
08:18 kaeza but the objects hop around like the smiles
08:18 VanessaE celeron55: well, pilzadam's carts, jeija's slimes, and sfan5's particles seem okay from my end.
08:19 kaeza slimes*
08:19 celeron55 actually, no; that should work
08:19 kaeza I'll try a rebuild right now
08:20 VanessaE hm, on second thought slimes seem weird, having trouble killing one that's stuck
08:20 kaeza brb. doing a reboot
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08:21 VanessaE fuck it, I'll bury it. :-)
08:22 celeron55 i don't see why it wouldn't work, but it might not for some reason
08:22 celeron55 i'm too lazy to test
08:22 VanessaE might be a glitch on my end from frequent server restarts.
08:23 celeron55 what kind of a server is that on which kaeza is playing?
08:23 celeron55 because that looks like data coming from 0.4.4
08:24 celeron55 which... wouldn't make too much sense
08:24 VanessaE mine.
08:24 celeron55 is it updated to github master?
08:24 VanessaE which is running 0.4.4 from that last commit you just made to fix 0.4.3 backward compat.
08:25 VanessaE yup, last commit I show is 4fa43... which is what I compiled.
08:25 celeron55 that seems right then
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08:25 kaeza I'm back
08:26 kaeza what did I miss?
08:26 VanessaE nothing of great importance :-)
08:26 celeron55 hmm, ah, it makes sense; if you connect to that server now with a pre-fix 0.4.4, it will make that error
08:26 kaeza ok then
08:26 celeron55 because it uses the version that 0.4.3 uses for the 0.4.4 data and doesn't even try to parse it as 0.4.3 data either
08:27 celeron55 (it would fail even harder)
08:27 celeron55 kaeza: update to github master and those errors will go away
08:28 kaeza ok gonna try that
08:29 VanessaE br
08:29 VanessaE brb
08:29 kaeza Typo on three letter word is a bad sign :)
08:30 kaeza now DL'ing source
08:34 kaeza just FYI it says warning about index out of bounds in `l_register_item_raw'.
08:38 VanessaE back.
08:39 kaeza wb
08:40 VanessaE thanks.
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08:41 kaeza1 back
08:41 VanessaE wb
08:41 kaeza1 V is your server up?
08:42 VanessaE yes.
08:42 kaeza1 finished compiling latest
08:42 VanessaE cool
08:42 kaeza1 going to connect
08:42 kaeza1 c u thar
08:42 VanessaE ok
08:45 kaeza1 https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/507c7edddc4d1.png
08:45 kaeza1 :)
08:51 VanessaE now I'm working in my house from another map.  I'll get it figured out :-)
08:51 VanessaE LOL
08:52 VanessaE server will lag for a bit until I figure out the right place to be to //load this house.
08:54 kaeza1 k
08:55 * VanessaE watches worldedit take the server to its knees :-)
08:55 VanessaE the //dig command is...slow.
08:55 VanessaE :-)
08:55 * kaeza had lol'd
08:56 kaeza has*
08:56 VanessaE you were saying about typos and three-letter words? ;)
08:57 kaeza lol
08:57 kaeza you got me
08:57 kaeza :)
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08:59 Aqua hi
08:59 VanessaE hah, //dig triggers the particles mod, no wonder it's slow :-)
08:59 kaeza hi
08:59 VanessaE *killed*
08:59 VanessaE whaddya say I just //set air?
09:00 kaeza (at -32000,-32000,-32000) //pos1 (at 32000,32000,32000) //pos2  -> //set air :)
09:01 kaeza j/k
09:01 kaeza still blocked by end of world
09:01 Aqua say i wanted to change stone at certain depth to dirt is that possible?
09:01 VanessaE aqua: not with worldedit, at least not easily.
09:02 Aqua i dont mean with worldedit i mean with lua......
09:02 kaeza better change mapgen
09:02 kaeza there are callbacks but can't remember
09:04 kaeza ok noble sirs and ladies, it's 7:00AM
09:04 Aqua kaeza what serevr do u normally play?
09:04 kaeza I should get some sleep
09:04 kaeza local only
09:04 kaeza most of the time
09:04 Aqua :/
09:04 kaeza have player some time with Kacey
09:04 kaeza and now with Vanessa
09:04 Aqua its 8pm
09:05 VanessaE server down for a sec, kaeza
09:05 VanessaE and, up.
09:05 ruskie Aqua, welcome to the internetz where timezones are many ;)
09:05 Aqua can i play?
09:05 Aqua when i get 0.4.4
09:05 Aqua i know
09:05 kaeza V: going in
09:06 kaeza Aqua: you use Linux?
09:06 Aqua not yet
09:06 kaeza oh
09:06 kaeza then it may be a tad harder on you
09:06 kaeza to compile minetest
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09:08 kaeza hey rsiska
09:08 Aqua hi
09:11 Aqua http://kaeza.users.sf.net
09:11 kaeza what about it?
09:11 Aqua you know java?
09:11 kaeza that pic looks UGLY!
09:12 kaeza a bit
09:12 kaeza a bit about java why?
09:15 Aqua can i downlaod legend of cosmo?
09:19 kaeza If you want
09:19 kaeza it's not even a game yet
09:20 Aqua why isnt it a game?
09:20 kaeza It has more bugs than my house (if that is possible) and the story isn't very developed yet
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09:20 kaeza hey rob
09:20 Aqua is it written in java?
09:20 kaeza no
09:21 kaeza in plain C
09:21 kaeza (i.e: no C++ either)
09:21 Aqua r u still working on it?
09:22 kaeza a bit, whenever i have the time and this IRC channel leaves me alone :)
09:22 kaeza you like it?
09:22 Aqua i like the characters
09:23 kaeza maybe you can help me on this one
09:23 kaeza do you know C?
09:23 Aqua and i like the storyline :)
09:23 Aqua a bit
09:24 Aqua In Legend of Cosmo, you take the role of Strain, a young boy whose past is clouded in mystery, in a quest that may very well change the entire course of history.
09:24 kaeza yup that summarizes it
09:24 kaeza but between the time you know Strain, and the end of e game there is nothing
09:25 kaeza well, maybe a crappy story
09:25 Aqua how much of it is done?
09:26 kaeza oh, I forgot to mention, thanks :)
09:26 * kaeza is sorry because he is a bit drunk
09:26 Aqua is it finished
09:27 * Aqua says h
09:27 kaeza maybe let's say a 2% of what I had planned
09:27 Aqua when did u start?
09:27 Aqua i like it tho
09:27 kaeza the first log entries say around Augustu his year
09:27 OldCoder Good morning
09:28 VanessaE morning OC.
09:28 Aqua hi
09:28 kaeza morning coder
09:28 OldCoder Bright and early here 1:27am
09:28 kaeza it's 7:25 AM here
09:28 Aqua 8.36pm
09:29 kaeza (yup, this fine IRC channel kept me from sleeping :) )
09:29 Aqua (yup, this fine IRC channel kept me from going to sleep :) )
09:29 kaeza Aqua: thanks
09:29 kaeza :)
09:30 kaeza not a nativ speaker, sorry
09:30 kaeza native*
09:30 Aqua ..........wasnt suppose to correct u
09:30 kaeza nevermind them
09:30 kaeza then* HECK
09:31 kaeza V: is server still up?
09:31 * Aqua says YOLO
09:31 Aqua whats abm again?
09:31 Aqua a block manufacturer?
09:32 kaeza advanced bloated macroalgorithm?
09:32 kaeza #YOLO
09:32 Aqua automatic blueberry mixer?
09:33 Aqua Anti-Ballistic Missile
09:33 kaeza lol
09:34 Aqua Aggressive Behavior Management
09:34 Aqua Angry Bald Man?
09:34 Aqua Anything but Microsoft?
09:34 kaeza I legitimately lol'd at that one!
09:35 Aqua what is it?
09:35 Aqua brb
09:35 kaeza k
09:38 kaeza good night/morning guys, see you later
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09:57 Calinou http://c55.me/blog/ < clementine player :D
09:59 Kray yup
09:59 Calinou because all other music players on linux are half-assed, /me uses clementine on xfce
09:59 Calinou qt apps in gtk DE FTW
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10:36 OldCoder I have not quite woken up
10:36 OldCoder Resting again for a while
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11:30 Calinou wha--
11:30 Calinou if I want to install gedit, I have to install zeitgeist
11:30 Calinou SEEMS LEGIT
11:32 * Calinou installed geany instead
11:35 thexyz i was hoping for "***Calinou installed vim/emacs instead"
11:36 NakedFury joined #minetest
11:36 thexyz >Zeitgeist is a service which logs the users's activities and events, anywhere from files opened to websites visited and conversations.
11:37 thexyz awesome
11:37 ruskie lol
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13:02 Ragnar_ hi!
13:02 Ragnar_ hey who can help me with a mod im making?
13:02 Ragnar_ VanessaE
13:07 VanessaE bbl.
13:08 VanessaE sorry, you just missed me.  I'm headed off to bed.
13:08 VanessaE night
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13:12 Ragnar_ ow ok
13:12 Ragnar_ gnight :D
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13:25 Ragnar_ hey does somebody know someone whos email is nathan.boulch@laposte.net
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13:35 Ragnar_ hi
13:35 Ragnar_ :)
13:36 Ragnar_ hey who uses ubuntu?
13:36 Ragnar_ or fedora?
13:38 Ragnar_ cause i'm using an ubuntu version that looks like fedora :S
13:38 Ragnar_ xD
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13:39 Ragnar_ oh hey penguin!
13:40 KikaRz-away Hi there
13:42 Ragnar_ oh hey :D
13:42 Ragnar_ you didnt answer 2 days ago :D
13:42 Ragnar_ remember?
13:43 Ragnar_ hey where can i find the ubuntu version of minetest?
13:45 Ragnar_ im using ubuntu 9.something...
13:45 Ragnar_ so its pretty old and laggy...
13:49 Ragnar_ KikaRz
13:49 Ragnar_ :D
13:53 Taoki Anyone know how on earth you download a diff from a branch on its github page? It has options to show the changes, commits, etc. but no button to download a diff
13:55 ruskie probably via the raw url
13:56 ruskie but frankly... just git clone the lot... setup the branches you want to diff then git diff branch1 branch2 > diff
14:03 KikaRz-away going to compile some things
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14:33 KikaRz Hi there :D
14:39 Penguin joined #minetest
14:40 Penguin hi
14:41 KikaRz hi
14:41 KikaRz im building  new 3d players minetest version
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14:51 KikaRz Oh godf
14:51 KikaRz so many warnings
14:52 KikaRz so many warniiing
14:52 ruskie nothing wrong with those
14:53 KikaRz in windows
15:05 KikaRz a lot of warning lines
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15:13 Penguin hi
15:14 babyface1031 hi
15:20 KikaRz NOW:
15:20 KikaRz 123 Errors 18922 Warnings
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15:23 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
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15:29 KikaRz PilzAdam
15:29 KikaRz 123 Errors and 18922 Warnings during Minetest (new version) compilation.
15:29 KikaRz in VS
15:30 PilzAdam well, use Linux ;-)
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15:32 PilzAdam KikaRz, did you installed all dependencies?
15:32 KikaRz Not Linux
15:32 KikaRz Windows
15:32 KikaRz to compile with Direct3D
15:32 KikaRz Files are just jmutex.h
15:33 KikaRz Gangnam style views: 826061391
15:34 KikaRz We kill Justin Bieber, so now, get the 1,000,000,000 views!
15:34 KikaRz azertyg8 há 44 segundos 5
15:34 KikaRz azertyg8 said that at 44 seconds. 5 likes
15:37 john_minetest yeah. justin bieber just lost. most dislikes but NOT most views. OPPAN GANGNAM STYLE!!!
15:39 KikaRz XD
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15:39 KikaRz all dislikes are just from justin bieber fans
15:40 crusty dammit D:
15:40 crusty seriously? :D
15:40 KikaRz yep
15:40 crusty KikaRz: http://www.tinyurl.pl/?BQI90ea9
15:42 KikaRz so, batman style
15:42 KikaRz not gangnam xd
15:42 KikaRz :P
15:42 KikaRz bye
15:42 KikaRz Physical Education
15:42 crusty :D
15:43 crusty $home
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15:43 KikaRz $home
15:43 KikaRz-away fail
15:43 KikaRz-away bug
15:43 KikaRz-away by
15:43 KikaRz-away see you later
15:43 crusty i mean $HOME
15:45 john_minetest dafuq happened to minetest github repo? hundereds of pull requests and pulls. lol.
15:46 john_minetest seems a lot has changed.
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15:49 PilzAdam http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53659
15:50 PilzAdam ^ can some people please answer to this?
15:51 john_minetest Will two doors form a "double-door"?
15:52 PilzAdam yep
15:55 Lumpio- If they get converted, how come some of them are flipped
15:56 jin_xi are those doors automatable via mesecons or similar?
15:56 PilzAdam no
15:56 PilzAdam mesecon doesnt support defining the functions in the node definition so its not possible
15:58 PilzAdam Lumpio-, the direction doesnt get converted correctly (sometimes)
15:59 PilzAdam oh, and please reply in the topic so others can see what you think
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16:09 Taoki http://i46.tinypic.com/j5fd35.png MineTest with real lighting (replacing the fake voxel light system). I got this done out of an experiment to implement parallax mapping... obviously it is just a test
16:10 PilzAdam triple post?
16:11 Taoki There are different people on different channels, so posting for everyone
16:11 KikaRz-away BACK
16:12 KikaRz-away who can give me the Win32 version of the 3d players game
16:12 KikaRz-away ?
16:12 KikaRz-away with d3d support
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16:16 thexyz http://minetest.ru/prowseed-minetest-net/
16:19 KikaRz that is?
16:24 jin_xi thexyz: looks nice
16:26 thexyz lol, looks fine in lynx http://api.browsershots.org/png/original/18/18227502b297d0a0b61a75195285f2a7.png
16:28 thexyz well, i'm not a pro at css/html
16:29 PilzAdam any 0.4.4 servers?
16:30 KikaRz 0.4.4 ?
16:30 KikaRz o.o
16:30 thexyz PilzAdam: why do you need it?
16:31 KikaRz it maybe its 0.5 or 0.4.4..
16:35 NekoGloop Or maybe it's dead.
16:35 KikaRz No it isnt NekoGloop, dont be stupid
16:37 KikaRz well
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16:37 KikaRz NekoGloop
16:37 KikaRz you're right
16:37 KikaRz http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3859
16:37 KikaRz celeron is blocking everything
16:37 KikaRz and killing it
16:38 KikaRz anyways, we will be all working on it
16:39 NekoGloop Yes but at one point, there will be no "base minetest", just a buttton of incompatible recodings.
16:39 thexyz lol, nice joke
16:40 NekoGloop What joke? RBA sees that nothing is happening.
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16:40 NekoGloop Why cant you?
16:40 thexyz i cant what?
16:41 NekoGloop See that nothing is happening.
16:41 thexyz because it's not true
16:41 thexyz you are the one who is blind ^^
16:41 KikaRz Hi Muadtralk
16:41 KikaRz bad news
16:41 PilzAdam thexyz, i want to see 3D models in action again ;-)
16:41 Muadtralk bad news?
16:42 thexyz PilzAdam: well, I can set up server for that
16:42 PilzAdam would be nice
16:42 KikaRz CANT PLAY :(
16:42 Muadtralk hmmm
16:42 Muadtralk let me check
16:42 Muadtralk it might have crashed
16:43 KikaRz nope
16:43 KikaRz not that problem
16:43 KikaRz but yes: When i compile it
16:43 KikaRz it gives me a lot of errors
16:45 Muadtralk ahhh
16:45 Muadtralk thats what you get for using windows
16:45 Muadtralk :D
16:45 thexyz PilzAdam: minetest.ru:12345
16:46 KikaRz muadtralk
16:46 KikaRz compile me it for windows with d3d support :P
16:46 NekoGloop KikaRz: Haha you funny.
16:47 KikaRz shut up NekoGloop
16:47 Muadtralk ever try sfan5?
16:47 KikaRz sfan5 is not compiled for D3D
16:47 KikaRz i've tried.
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16:47 Muadtralk or look in c55's blog? I would assume he has compiled 0.4.4 already
16:48 KikaRz No he dont have
16:49 KikaRz Last post of blog: WTF is musicd?
16:49 KikaRz The other: The anniversary of 0.3.1 AND 0.4-dev
16:49 Jordach oh hai guys
16:49 Muadtralk c55 must be getting lazy then
16:49 thexyz ok, I'll build 0.4.4 for windows
16:50 KikaRz YAAAAAY :D
16:50 KikaRz with d3d support plz :)
16:51 KikaRz Muadtralk, he wants to kill the project.
16:51 celeron55 KikaRz's problem is that she needs d3d support and everybody is too lazy to compile with MSVC
16:51 KikaRz celeron55, so, teach me how to.
16:51 celeron55 that's even harder
16:51 thexyz well, I always do my build using MSVC2010
16:51 celeron55 that should make one person happy then i guess
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16:52 KikaRz thexyz, you get 123 Errors and 18922 Warnings during Minetest (new version) compilation.  ?
16:52 KikaRz i get . '-'
16:53 thexyz let me check it
16:53 KikaRz What i just know making with VS2010 and Delphi: Applications, forms etc.
16:53 celeron55 by the way, wtf is this continuous "minetest is dead" "celeron55 is blocking everything" "whatever" discussion?
16:54 celeron55 is this some kind of a joke
16:54 celeron55 that i don't get
16:54 thexyz some kind of stupidity
16:54 jin_xi i think it people new to open source development style
16:54 PilzAdam RBA is pissed off
16:54 thexyz celeron55: have you already seen http://minetest.ru/prowseed-minetest-net/ ?
16:54 KikaRz celeron55, ask to RealBadAngel
16:54 KikaRz go on Forum Discussions
16:54 PilzAdam he doesnt want to work with you anymore
16:54 celeron55 well, no can do
16:55 KikaRz thexyz, site made by you? *_*
16:55 KikaRz so beautiful
16:56 thexyz KikaRz: design is by prowseed
16:56 KikaRz xd
16:56 KikaRz i know
16:56 KikaRz i thinked that you were prowseed
16:56 celeron55 i'm currently looking a stuff that looks like this, rather than websites: 01:00:00:00:0a:80:84:01:81:84:01:82:84:01:83:84:01:84:84:01:85:84:01:86:84:01:87:84:01:88:84:01:89:84:01
16:56 KikaRz Windows (XP/Vista/7)
16:56 KikaRz Minetest 0.4.3
16:56 KikaRz this is OS detector?
16:56 celeron55 at*
16:56 thexyz that's plain html
16:56 thexyz even without any links
16:57 KikaRz Look his photo http://prowseed.com/graf/me.jpg
16:57 KikaRz thexyz, you started compiling?
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16:58 KikaRz welcome back Muadtralk
16:59 thexyz KikaRz: working on it
16:59 KikaRz My current wallpaper: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/82342922/images/minetest_blue1_small.png
16:59 KikaRz by Calinou
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17:02 KikaRz .by talking in calinou...
17:03 KikaRz he appears
17:03 KikaRz Wild Calinou appeared!
17:03 Jordach hey Calinou
17:03 Jordach apparently i can use my pc
17:05 Calinou just seen this: http://minetest.ru/prowseed-minetest-net/
17:05 Calinou this beats minecraft.net by far
17:05 Calinou :D
17:05 Jordach fuck yeah
17:05 Calinou but it's not real :(
17:05 thexyz why?
17:05 KikaRz calinou
17:05 Calinou the screenshots should be replaced with better ones, and the links should be actually made :P
17:05 Jordach Calinou - the text is tho
17:06 Jordach and we need css for new pages
17:06 Muadtralk any good servers updated to 0.4.4?
17:06 Calinou the screenshots near the download button are old, or have the HUD enabled
17:06 Jordach nope nope nope nope
17:06 Calinou Muadtralk: localhost, 127.0.0.1
17:06 Calinou :D
17:06 Jordach or 0.0.0.0
17:06 thexyz KikaRz: http://rghost.ru/41829432
17:06 Muadtralk mine is at 0.4.4 but...... nobody plays on it
17:07 KikaRz Muadtralk
17:07 KikaRz there is already a hoster
17:07 Calinou I like the image with a laptop, but the screenshot is very old again :)
17:07 Muadtralk notihng a bit of photoediting wont fix
17:07 Muadtralk nothing*
17:07 KikaRz calinou
17:08 KikaRz i use your wallpaper
17:09 KikaRz downloading, thexyz.
17:09 thexyz fuck, ompldr is broken, >Ouch, db error: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction
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17:10 Calinou use pastebin, paste binary, tell guy to paste it in a text file and make it binary, ???, PROFIT
17:10 Calinou unfortunately this isn't possible :(
17:10 KikaRz lol * Muadtralk (~sdzen@unaffiliated/muadtralk) saiu de #minetest ("ISON jordan4ibanez PilzAdam ray8888 OldCoder RealBadAngel NekoGloop GloopMaster VanessaE MiJyn hmmmmmm Taoki Jordach thexyz")
17:10 KikaRz left from*
17:10 thexyz Calinou: why not?
17:10 NekoGloop He doesnt ever leave any of the userchats.
17:11 KikaRz uuh...
17:11 KikaRz thexyz
17:11 KikaRz the game minetest_game (better, the folder from games "minetest_game) is not there
17:12 Calinou thexyz: how are you supposed to do this? :P
17:12 thexyz then place it here
17:13 thexyz Calinou: base64 may help in this case
17:14 celeron55 yep
17:14 NekoGloop KikaRz: Download it then?
17:15 KikaRz i got it already.
17:15 KikaRz nekogloop, next time, wake up faster.
17:15 NekoGloop I am awake?
17:16 KikaRz said that at 3 minutes
17:16 KikaRz ago
17:19 KikaRz thexyz
17:19 KikaRz bad news for you too
17:19 thexyz ?
17:19 KikaRz a sec
17:19 KikaRz ... bad news.
17:19 KikaRz The game cant read file minetest.conf
17:19 Calinou base64, best password encryption EVER
17:20 KikaRz Using Renderer: OpenGL 1.1.0
17:20 KikaRz hate this
17:20 KikaRz i setted up in the conf file
17:20 thexyz then switch renderer in .conf
17:20 KikaRz video_driver = direct3d9
17:20 KikaRz *i wrote there
17:20 KikaRz and it could not read
17:20 KikaRz i wrote there and dont changes ingame
17:21 Calinou video_driver = software
17:21 Calinou there, no complaining about version
17:21 KikaRz I CANT RUN THAT SHIT
17:21 KikaRz O_O'
17:21 Calinou video_driver = burningsvideo
17:21 Calinou :>
17:21 KikaRz that neither
17:22 KikaRz the graphics sucks at ALL!
17:22 KikaRz bad news
17:22 KikaRz the minetest cant read the file minetest.conf
17:22 KikaRz software mode not accepted
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17:22 bulletrulz hi
17:22 KikaRz FIRST: in singleplayer, the game could make a minetest.conf file
17:23 Calinou video_driver = null
17:23 KikaRz but its not making
17:23 Calinou FASTEST
17:23 Calinou :p
17:23 KikaRz neither reading it
17:23 KikaRz null dont works
17:23 NekoGloop video_driver = opengl
17:23 NekoGloop Problem solved.
17:24 KikaRz NekoGloop , shut the fucking up
17:24 bulletrulz lol
17:24 NekoGloop fucking up? What is this nonsense.
17:24 KikaRz STFU = ?
17:24 Calinou buy a better GPU then..
17:24 KikaRz calinou, buy me one.
17:24 Calinou no u
17:24 KikaRz i didnt received this month
17:24 bulletrulz KikaRz, that is shut the fuck up
17:24 KikaRz ... the same
17:24 KikaRz just remove the ing
17:24 bulletrulz no fucking is sex
17:25 bulletrulz shut the sex up
17:25 KikaRz ...
17:25 bulletrulz lol
17:25 bulletrulz xD
17:25 NekoGloop My god.
17:25 NekoGloop Perverts. Perverts everywhere.
17:25 bulletrulz now shut the fuck up means be qeuit
17:25 KikaRz Pasting screenshot on Notepad... fail!
17:25 KikaRz it was to past it in paint
17:25 KikaRz not notepad
17:25 KikaRz -.-
17:25 Jordach Calinou - http://i.imgur.com/X4a4u.png - your wallpapers are awesome!
17:26 NekoGloop Then shut the fuck up and do it, kika.
17:26 NekoGloop Jordach: Le gasp. Le minecraft pocket edition lite.
17:26 PilzAdam Jordach, is easy to make such wallpapers yourself; i did so in 2 mins.
17:26 NekoGloop At least i have the one that keeps save files.
17:26 bulletrulz OKAY SHUSHHH! everyone
17:27 NekoGloop bulletrulz: Can i have a gwass of water?
17:27 Jordach NekoGloop - /me does not give a damn about full versions
17:27 KikaRz f*** you neko
17:27 KikaRz i hate your stupid decisions.
17:27 Calinou LOL
17:28 Calinou Jordach: that looks good, though
17:28 john_minetest epic wallpaper
17:30 Jordach Calinou its a 16gb ipad2
17:30 Jordach actually, it does look good
17:31 KikaRz http://prntscr.com/knkd6
17:31 KikaRz thexyz
17:31 KikaRz and no, i dont have windows xp
17:31 NekoGloop KikaRz: Hello Joao.
17:31 KikaRz Joao its my brother
17:32 KikaRz he formatted the computer
17:32 Jordach and fucked it up
17:32 Jordach >:)
17:32 KikaRz no
17:32 NekoGloop KikaRz: Save the file.
17:32 KikaRz just made him better
17:32 KikaRz what file?
17:32 KikaRz i've already
17:32 NekoGloop Minetest.conf
17:32 NekoGloop And save it in the minetest/ directory, not the minetest/bin/ directory.
17:33 KikaRz ...
17:33 KikaRz you stupid?
17:33 NekoGloop No, you are.
17:33 KikaRz where is the minetest.conf in another versions?
17:33 KikaRz in minetest/
17:33 KikaRz -.-
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17:33 NekoGloop It is in minetest/
17:33 KikaRz Yes it is
17:33 NekoGloop So put yours there.
17:33 KikaRz i know about that
17:33 KikaRz ITS THERE!
17:34 NekoGloop Then let it save its version, and edit that.
17:34 KikaRz what version?
17:34 NekoGloop You are a fucking retard.
17:34 KikaRz Like you and who did you.
17:34 NekoGloop This is the reason i dont like minetest's community.
17:34 NekoGloop People who cant help themselves.
17:34 KikaRz we arent like you.
17:35 NekoGloop And cant understand the english language.
17:35 thexyz KikaRz: C:\Documents and Settings\user\Application Data\minetest
17:36 KikaRz thexyz, we aren't in Minecraft.
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17:36 NekoGloop KikaRz: Well you cant seem to use the proper way so...
17:36 Calinou thexyz: windows version is run-in-place
17:37 OldCoder I am here
17:37 thexyz KikaRz: wut?
17:37 KikaRz Better:
17:37 OldCoder NekoGloop, KikaRz you are both quite assertive
17:37 KikaRz %appdata%
17:37 thexyz i've tested, it works
17:37 OldCoder KikaRz, I have not reviewed the pics but will do so today
17:37 KikaRz OldCoder, his fault.
17:37 KikaRz what pics?
17:37 OldCoder KikaRz, avatar
17:37 KikaRz ah!
17:37 NekoGloop KikaRz: You're the one calling me stupid with no grounds.
17:37 KikaRz ok
17:37 OldCoder Folks I'll mute you if necessary
17:38 NekoGloop OldCoder: Mute the channel.
17:38 OldCoder That would be bad
17:38 OldCoder I am sorry I wasn't paying attention
17:38 KikaRz NekoGloop, you've took bad decisions. Nobody can support things that you can.
17:38 NekoGloop KikaRz: What are you on about?
17:39 thexyz Calinou: i don't understand the whole windows thing at all, for some odd reason it just stores everything in %appdata%
17:39 NekoGloop thexyz: Nope.
17:39 thexyz 21:36:28: INFO[main]: logfile    = C:\Documents and Settings\user\Application Data\minetest\debug.txt
17:39 thexyz 21:36:28: INFO[main]: path_share = C:\Documents and Settings\user\Desktop\minetest-0.4.4-minetest-ru-win32\minetest-0.4.4-minetest-ru-win32\bin\..
17:39 KikaRz NekoGloop, about your computer specifications (my computer is not good than yours.(
17:39 thexyz 21:36:28: INFO[main]: path_user  = C:\Documents and Settings\user\Application Data\minetest
17:39 thexyz 21:36:28: INFO[main]: minetest with SER_FMT_VER_HIGHEST=25, VER=0.4.4-minetest-ru BUILD_TYPE=Release RUN_IN_PLACE=ON USE_GETTEXT=1 USE_SOUND=1 STATIC_SHAREDIR=.
17:39 KikaRz OldCOder
17:39 Calinou thexyz: it didn't for me (windows 7)
17:39 KikaRz got a problem in skin 3D
17:39 Calinou back when I was on windows
17:39 thexyz then my build is somehow wrong, feel free to make better one ^^
17:39 NekoGloop KikaRz: What?
17:40 Calinou you didn't use -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 with cmaek :p
17:40 Calinou cmake*
17:40 KikaRz let me see
17:41 thexyz Calinou: >RUN_IN_PLACE=ON
17:41 OldCoder Hmm
17:41 KikaRz hey
17:42 KikaRz Could not open file of texture: character.png.
17:42 KikaRz (thats the 3d one)
17:42 bulletrulz windows 8 is a diesatster ,for the microsoft windows operating system
17:42 bulletrulz now so was vista 7 and 2000
17:42 Calinou windows 8 is a disaster for everyone
17:42 Calinou every single window
17:43 Calinou it's hard to help people on windows
17:43 KikaRz yea
17:43 Calinou windows doesn't respect any standards
17:43 KikaRz i hate it
17:43 bulletrulz THERE NOT ANDROID THERE FUCKING A PC OS
17:43 KikaRz i've tested windows 8
17:43 Calinou windows sucks in general (recognizes files by extensions, not MIME types)
17:43 bulletrulz and there confused
17:43 Calinou linux is only better. not different.
17:43 bulletrulz well i bet u linux has got 3% uup lol
17:43 KikaRz Who got a server for 0.4.4 ??? (that one with carts... 3d players... etc)
17:44 NekoGloop Linux is only worse.
17:44 Calinou PilzAdam: could you merge my pull request please? :D
17:44 Calinou NekoGloop: reasons?
17:44 thexyz KikaRz: minetest.ru:12345
17:44 thexyz that one is without carts though
17:44 bulletrulz NekoGloop, WELL your confused
17:44 Calinou hardware doesn't really count, you're fine if you don't have AMD hardware :)
17:44 KikaRz i want carts!!!! :'(
17:44 thexyz ok, one moment
17:44 bulletrulz ok so  heres a myth WINDOWS HAS MORE HARDWARE COMPATABILTI THEN UBUNTU
17:44 bulletrulz WRONG!
17:44 NekoGloop Tis true
17:45 Calinou yes, it is wrong, theorically
17:45 Calinou linux drivers are in the kernel. not for windows
17:45 Calinou but sadly, some hardware has no linux drivers, not even proprietary ones..
17:45 bulletrulz see
17:45 bulletrulz !
17:45 bulletrulz ubuntu has more compatbiltie!
17:45 NekoGloop Nope.
17:45 Calinou or pretty much any distro that uses torvalds' kernel
17:46 Calinou linux-libre HW compat is terrible :>
17:46 bulletrulz another myth UBUNTU IS FOR SMART PEOPLE
17:46 bulletrulz WRONG!
17:46 bulletrulz joli os ubuntu and chrome os prove that myth wrong
17:46 NekoGloop Ubuntu is only for people who can program a program to download the basic shit.
17:47 NekoGloop Windows at least gives you a (shitty) browser to start with.
17:47 Calinou ubuntu has a lot (== too much) software by default
17:47 Calinou windows has a shit office suite by default, which is very locked unless you buy it
17:47 Calinou and shit browser
17:48 Calinou and shit editor that can't into non-windows encodings
17:48 bulletrulz lol you have apperatnly never used ubuntu NakedFury
17:48 bulletrulz NekoGloop,
17:48 Trezker Ubuntu doesn't come with browser? I think it did when I installed it last...
17:48 bulletrulz it does firefox
17:48 Calinou it does
17:48 thexyz it does
17:48 Calinou but chromium > firefox :>
17:48 thexyz it also comes with marketplace to download software
17:48 NekoGloop bulletrulz: I tried.
17:48 Trezker And you don't need a browser to download Ubuntu software anyway...
17:48 bulletrulz NakedFury,= most likely never used linux
17:48 bulletrulz no dammit
17:49 Calinou it also comes with amazon search suggestions :>
17:49 bulletrulz NekoGloop, = most likely never used linux
17:49 NekoGloop Tell that to the installer that doesnt work.
17:49 bulletrulz dude it comes with a browser a media player a software center!
17:49 bulletrulz the installer didnt work on ur pc CHECK THE DAMN SUM!
17:49 NekoGloop And a shit installer.
17:50 Calinou TIL I could press windows+w to open a web browser
17:50 Calinou did this by mistake :>
17:50 bulletrulz THE Installer is easeir then windows
17:50 NekoGloop Of course.
17:50 Calinou ubiquity is the best installer eveer
17:50 Calinou ever*
17:50 NekoGloop You can also make keyboard shortcuts to icons on your desktop in windows.
17:50 bulletrulz way easier then windows installer
17:51 bulletrulz WHY THE FUCK would u want to do that!
17:51 bulletrulz theres no point ?
17:51 NekoGloop For me, ctrl+alt+M opens minecraft. ctrl+alt+T opens the Technic Launcher.
17:51 KikaRz LOVE NEW CARTS AND 3d MODELS
17:51 bulletrulz good for you we can do that too
17:51 Calinou why would you buy windows anyway (when you have a computer with no os)?
17:52 Calinou people still do this today, "because they want to play games"
17:52 bulletrulz exactly
17:52 bulletrulz LOL!
17:52 Calinou i get pissed off whenever someone builds a PC then puts windows on it
17:52 bulletrulz Calinou, +1
17:52 Calinou it is possible to play games on linux
17:52 Calinou and without wine, too
17:52 bulletrulz its stupid
17:52 NekoGloop Because people actually make and maintain stuff for windows?
17:52 Trezker Can windows file browser do sftp out of the box?
17:52 bulletrulz STEAM FOR LINUX
17:53 Calinou proof: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1389546/
17:53 bulletrulz NekoGloop, WINDOWS 8 wont let u install exe files on freaking the surface
17:53 Calinou steam for linux is stupid
17:53 Calinou proprietary DRM, go away
17:53 NekoGloop bulletrulz: Free games then, that arent in beta/alpha/prealpha/minetest dev level?
17:53 Calinou bulletrulz: because they can't run, they're not compiled for ARM architecture :)
17:53 Calinou NekoGloop: sauerbraten, red eclipse, xonotic, openarena, warsow
17:53 thexyz Trezker: windowz guys don't need that
17:53 Calinou try these 5 ones
17:54 bulletrulz NekoGloop, steam l4d2 works better in linux
17:54 Calinou minetest doesn't feel alpha/prealpha/beta imo
17:54 Calinou bulletrulz: it still requires proprietary DRM to be run
17:54 NekoGloop bulletrulz: And windows 8 is not an os, it's a tech demo.
17:54 bulletrulz minetest is kninda slow
17:54 Calinou it's very fast
17:54 Calinou for a minecraft-style game
17:54 bulletrulz NekoGloop, windows 8 IS OUT!
17:54 Trezker thexyz, are you saying windows guys don't need to transfer files between computers over the internet?
17:54 NekoGloop Minecraft with optifine is faster. -_-
17:54 bulletrulz Calinou, i meant that it is moving upgrading slpow
17:55 NekoGloop bulletrulz: So? They slapped a price tag on a demo.
17:55 Calinou if you have a good computer it is, if you have a slow comptuer it is definitely not
17:55 bulletrulz NekoGloop,  THATS EVERY OS DUMBASS
17:55 thexyz Trezker: of course they don't
17:55 bulletrulz the os is a demo lol
17:55 Calinou bulletrulz: c-fifty-five is not getting money for making minetest
17:55 NekoGloop bulletrulz: Windows XP
17:55 NekoGloop Windows 7
17:55 thexyz they use dropbox
17:55 Calinou of course you can donate if you like his game, but you're not forced to do that
17:55 thexyz or some other proprietary shit
17:55 Calinou dropbox... lol
17:56 thexyz NekoGloop: how do you "transfer files between computers over the internet"?
17:56 Calinou well I use dropbox but I don't use the spyware client
17:56 Muadtralk left #minetest
17:56 bulletrulz ok and so ull pay 100$ for a freaking os when u can get a better one for free
17:56 Calinou thexyz: scp! :P
17:56 NekoGloop thexyz: Omploader usually.
17:56 thexyz what if that file is.. umm.. 50GB?
17:56 bulletrulz Simple Windows = shitty slow malware infected computer :D
17:56 NekoGloop Course, if i'm just transferring files, just use a pen drive.
17:57 bulletrulz linux = fast resourceful little easy
17:57 Trezker if something is 50GB you make a torrent of course
17:57 Calinou windows boots in 30 seconds until I can log in. then, I need to wait 30 seconds until computer is usable because of everything starting up
17:57 NekoGloop bulletrulz: Same arguement that you used: bulletrulz= person who has never used windows.
17:57 bulletrulz hahahah!
17:57 thexyz Trezker: lol
17:57 Calinou xubuntu boots in 30 seconds until I can log in. then, I need to wait 5 seconds until computer is usable
17:57 bulletrulz acctlu this computer came wit windows 7 NekoGloop
17:57 NekoGloop Calinou: In thirty seconds i can have technic pack loaded O-o
17:58 Calinou same, preinstalled windows :/
17:58 bulletrulz i used it for about 5 months
17:58 bulletrulz then got my usb and installed linux
17:58 Trezker I don't know how fast my computer boots. It's Linux, I don't remember when I last had to boot...
17:58 thexyz NekoGloop: and if the other PC is located in over than 1000 km away?
17:58 Calinou Trezker: what distro?
17:58 NekoGloop thexyz: Why do i care then?
17:58 bulletrulz Trezker, most likey around 30 seconds
17:58 Trezker Ubuntu :/ But it's still pretty stable
17:58 Calinou ubuntu is ok
17:58 Calinou xubuntu is even better :>
17:58 thexyz see, Trezker, they don't need it
17:59 Calinou "ubuntu without the downsides"
17:59 thexyz and then comes gentoo
17:59 Trezker noone has ever used gentoo, they only compile it
18:00 NekoGloop No seriously. Why the hell would i care if someone more than a mile away wanted a file?
18:00 bulletrulz neko install ubuntu then tell me that were wrong
18:00 bulletrulz Calinou, LUBUNTU for the win xD
18:00 thexyz yeah, yeah..
18:00 bulletrulz NekoGloop, CAUSE THATS WHAT COMPUTERS ARE FOR LOL!
18:00 bulletrulz computers are for sharing files
18:00 Calinou LXDE is way too featureless and not customizable
18:00 NekoGloop bulletrulz: I tried, werent you listening?
18:01 thexyz mate is fine
18:01 bulletrulz NekoGloop, redownload
18:01 NekoGloop It never loaded ubuntu.
18:01 Calinou mate is ok, but uses obsolete technologies
18:01 Calinou you can make xfce behave like gnome 2
18:01 Calinou ;)
18:01 Calinou (and it'll be faster too)
18:01 thexyz i've tried once..
18:02 NekoGloop bulletrulz: And computers are for gaming.
18:02 bulletrulz NekoGloop, WRONG
18:02 NekoGloop You, sir, are sadly mistaken.
18:02 bulletrulz NekoGloop, computers are for file sharing game systems are for gaminh
18:02 Calinou computers are for anything, including gaming, making consoles useless
18:02 thexyz not sure if trolling
18:03 Trezker and the internet is for NSFW
18:03 Calinou lol
18:03 NekoGloop The internet is for online games.
18:03 bulletrulz NekoGloop, dude u r really just saying shit like that
18:03 Trezker and chatrooms are for FBI agents
18:03 NekoGloop bulletrulz: No, you are.
18:03 bulletrulz ok NekoGloop your logic is incorrect
18:04 NekoGloop How?
18:04 thexyz Trezker: i'd prefer KGB
18:04 bulletrulz Windows IS For One Thing Gaming
18:04 KikaRz going to study.
18:04 NekoGloop KikaRz: This isnt facebook. I dont care.
18:04 bulletrulz Mac IS For Picturing
18:04 Calinou nope
18:04 Calinou linux is for everything, including gaming and picturingf
18:04 bulletrulz Linux Is For Everything Else
18:04 NekoGloop Mac is for hammering.
18:04 Calinou you just have to find the right software
18:04 bulletrulz Calinou, ikr
18:05 NekoGloop (By that i mean hitting it with a hammer)
18:05 Calinou windows is not for gaming
18:05 Calinou it's for playing DRM'd games. and you should not
18:05 bulletrulz yea
18:05 Calinou mac is for people who like walled gardens
18:05 Calinou see 10.8
18:05 NekoGloop And linux is for controlling machinery
18:05 Calinou "oh, you downloaded software from the internet? hey it's b0rked" --OS X
18:05 bulletrulz NekoGloop, is abousutly wrong!
18:06 Calinou linux on the desktop is better than windows or os x
18:06 NekoGloop Nope.
18:06 Calinou 1) you choose how it looks
18:06 Calinou 2) it is faster
18:06 KikaRz 2
18:06 NekoGloop 1) windows is also customizable.
18:06 KikaRz 2 ) its slower
18:06 Calinou way less
18:06 NekoGloop 2) it actually boots some low form of protection on your system
18:06 bulletrulz NekoGloop,
18:06 Calinou you can choose the window color and wallpaper, nothing else
18:07 bulletrulz 1) windows starter edition is not customizable
18:07 Calinou with linux you choose where your buttons are, how the alt-tab looks, how windows look, whether you want the X - + buttons to be at the left or right or window..
18:07 Calinou and starter is not customizable. this is a terrible anti-feature
18:07 NekoGloop Calinou: I dont care about that shit. Also, editing png files in C:/WINDOWS
18:07 Calinou (it is technically, but you do not want to follow windows tutorials from the internet)
18:07 Calinou 2) it actually boots some low form of protection on your system < linux is much safer...
18:08 NekoGloop Linux is safer? How?
18:08 Calinou NekoGloop: windows transforms all wallpapers in .jpg format :P
18:08 NekoGloop You get nil protection.
18:08 Calinou NekoGloop: (almost) no viruses... it's safer by nature
18:08 Calinou least privilege principe
18:08 NekoGloop No viruses? You insane
18:08 NekoGloop .
18:08 bulletrulz WE DIDNT SAY NO VIRUSES!
18:09 NekoGloop (My thoughts on this ipad are exempt from this conversation)
18:09 bulletrulz linux has 800!
18:09 Calinou linux is used by 1% of desktop computers, why would it have more viruses than windows which is used by 90% of desktop computers?
18:09 bulletrulz windows has 900000000
18:09 bulletrulz Calinou, its like 5% since windows 8 came out
18:09 NekoGloop bulletrulz: And? More than 99% of those are detected by any kind of protection software.
18:09 john_minetest linux is used by 99% of the servers.
18:09 Trezker I've been to some scary places on the internet, but I had no fear, because I'm running Linux. I download and run crap without a second thought...
18:10 OldCoder Where does BSD fit in?
18:10 NekoGloop john_minetest: And could stay there.
18:10 Calinou bulletrulz: not really
18:10 Trezker haven't been bitten yet
18:10 OldCoder Trezker, Remember that malware can get into Linux via browser addons
18:10 Calinou people do not run linux "by mistake", unlike windows
18:10 Calinou windows is still sold on every single computer in stores
18:10 OldCoder Calinou, ditto
18:10 Calinou will not change for YEARS
18:10 OldCoder Well, 99%
18:10 Calinou 100% here, in france
18:10 OldCoder Ah
18:10 Calinou last computer with ubuntu seen in a store: 2007
18:10 NekoGloop Because people want a profit.
18:10 OldCoder No; it's business
18:10 NekoGloop Linux doesnt allow this.
18:10 OldCoder Monopolistic
18:11 Calinou OEMs would make more profit by not putting windows and selling the computer at the same price
18:11 Calinou :p
18:11 john_minetest android runs on linux kernel. but it has quite a lot of viruses... google sucks.
18:11 Calinou android isn't FOSS, that's why it has viruses
18:11 Calinou the only FOSS part is linux
18:11 Calinou (GPL FTW)
18:11 john_minetest yes. right.
18:11 john_minetest but zlib style licenses are cool, too.
18:11 * Calinou doesn't have a mobile phone
18:11 bulletrulz john_minetest, really u sure
18:11 Calinou john_minetest: you want to use GPL when you deal with corporations
18:11 * NekoGloop has one with something not even comparable to webOS.
18:12 Calinou mobile phones deal with corporations (careers, app makers...)
18:12 redcrab Avast / McAffe / Symantec  Antivirus works on Linux ... often used on linux server that provide by a way or another file storage service (share, ftp and co) ... but for my desktop .. I use Linux lonely since 2005 and I never installed any antivirus of any kind ... I was never infected by any kind of virus ...
18:12 * john_minetest uses a 10 years old mobile phone...
18:12 * bulletrulz uses a rooted android which has no viruses
18:12 Calinou antiviruses are pointless on any OS
18:12 Calinou they're just spyware
18:12 john_minetest android rooting FTW.
18:13 Calinou i ran windows for 9 months with no AV
18:13 NekoGloop Calinou: Pls explain your logic.
18:13 Calinou got zero issues
18:13 john_minetest i know a few people who ran windows without antivirus. they called me and i found like 10 viruses.
18:13 NekoGloop Antivirus is spyware? Bitch please.
18:13 john_minetest and worms and trojan horses
18:14 OldCoder Linux has no viruses except for fake ones created as exercises. It does have malware of different types. Much rarer than under Windows.
18:14 redcrab in the industry , on production server you can't place your balls on the table and say "Mr the customer you don't need any AV service" , 1st) they laugh at you , 2) Best way to make a career suicide..
18:15 NekoGloop So while you all toil away with your easily hackable computers, i'll sit comfy and cozy with windows.
18:15 redcrab With or Without Linux or any os of any kind
18:15 john_minetest i think there are like 3 viruses known on linux. the security holes they used got fixed. these viruses were just to show that there is a security hole.
18:15 celeron55 well, generally you want to run antivirus if you're transferring files between windows computers
18:15 Calinou i see "windows" ;)
18:15 bulletrulz easable HACKACBLE COMPUTERS O:
18:15 bulletrulz ur talking about windows right?
18:15 NekoGloop bulletrulz: Hackers can easily get linux source code.
18:16 celeron55 also, there are viruses for linux too, but they have hard time spreading much because there are so many distros with different versions and combinations and setups of things
18:16 celeron55 also, if one runs a linux server, beware of targeted attacks by real humans
18:16 NekoGloop celeron55: Did anyone ask for your opinion?
18:16 redcrab on a network ... most industry use LInux / Unix in their environement with Windows Desktop, in front ... that why AV is a industry mandatory even with Linux/unix
18:16 celeron55 specifically targeted rootkits aren't that rare
18:16 celeron55 NekoGloop: the internet has a wrong
18:17 Calinou it's not hard to break into a computer, regardless of security
18:17 Calinou throw it, ???, PROFIT
18:17 bulletrulz SOURCE CODe is not the os it seld
18:17 bulletrulz its before the os is buld
18:17 bulletrulz built
18:17 NekoGloop bulletrulz: Seriously dude, learn to spell.
18:18 NekoGloop Of course, i shouldnt expect that from a linux users.
18:18 bulletrulz omg
18:18 bulletrulz lol!
18:18 NekoGloop And autocorrect of this damn ipad.
18:18 bulletrulz NekoGloop, is a serous noob
18:18 * celeron55 loves flamewars
18:18 * bulletrulz loves celeron55
18:18 bulletrulz lol jk
18:19 Calinou flamewars, the fuel of the internet
18:19 bulletrulz yep!
18:19 bulletrulz and the simple way to end
18:21 bulletrulz lol!
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18:22 celeron55 thexyz: did you solve the RUN_IN_PLACE problem?
18:22 bulletrulz hi Jave27_
18:22 bulletrulz hi jordan4ibanez
18:22 jordan4ibanez Hi
18:22 bulletrulz hows you doing?
18:22 PilzAdam Hi j4i
18:23 jordan4ibanez Hi pilzadam
18:25 celeron55 thexyz: in a properly working minetest, it should say "RUN_IN_PLACE=1", not "RUN_IN_PLACE=ON"
18:25 celeron55 i don't know what ON does; probably doesn't work or something
18:26 celeron55 it kind of shouldn't even build with that...
18:26 thexyz celeron55: hm... then that should be cmake-gui problem
18:26 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, where did you get the glass breaking sound for minetest++ (or blockplanet or how its called)?
18:27 jordan4ibanez free SOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUND!
18:28 celeron55 thexyz: i have succesfully used cmake-gui in the past
18:28 celeron55 ...i wonder if they have changed something in recent versions or something...
18:29 jordan4ibanez Pilzadam: https://github.com/jordan4ibanez/BlockPlanet/blob/master/games/blockplanet/mods/default/sounds/Credits
18:29 celeron55 thexyz: how does your generated cmake_config.h look?
18:30 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, so it could be used upstream?
18:30 bulletrulz got docky working in lubuntu :D
18:30 thexyz celeron55: >#define CMAKE_RUN_IN_PLACE ON
18:30 jordan4ibanez Yea man, they're all under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/sampling+/1.0/ so the liscenses have become useless, so now it is fttp
18:31 celeron55 thexyz: the way that is used goes like "#define RUN_IN_PLACE CMAKE_RUN_IN_PLACE" and then it is checked somewhere with "#if RUN_IN_PLACE"
18:31 celeron55 so that will definitely not work
18:31 jordan4ibanez pilzadam: let me check all the liscenses
18:31 celeron55 it's 1 in my cmake_config.h
18:31 Calinou fttp?
18:32 jordan4ibanez Free To The Public
18:32 Calinou nopez
18:32 Calinou freesound licenses are pathetic
18:32 celeron55 thexyz: i guess you can find some kind of a solution
18:32 * Calinou says: stay away from it
18:32 jordan4ibanez the first one has an outdated lisense, and the next 3 are CCBA
18:34 PilzAdam is the first one glass_shatter.1.ogg?
18:34 bulletrulz MiJyn,
18:34 bulletrulz hi
18:35 jordan4ibanez Yes
18:37 jordan4ibanez Pilzadam: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/ffad18e42442fed10c312adc989fc62b74e05896 You put in 3d item drops? :D
18:37 PilzAdam yes.. ?
18:37 PilzAdam any problems?
18:37 jordan4ibanez No, i was just asking
18:40 KikaRz-away Hi there
18:40 KikaRz-away Calinou
18:41 KikaRz-away and OldCoder
18:41 KikaRz-away got problem with 3d skin
18:42 VanessaE hi all.
18:42 OldCoder Hi
18:42 OldCoder KikaRz-away, I only know about the 2D skins so far
18:42 OldCoder VanessaE, Hi
18:42 * OldCoder will be AFK on an errand for about half an hour
18:43 thexyz http://ompldr.org/vZ2dreA/minetest-0.4.4-minetest-ru-win32.zip (if somebody is interested)
18:44 jordan4ibanez thexyz: Woot!
18:44 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, what os you got?
18:44 jordan4ibanez windows 7 enterprise 64-bit
18:45 bulletrulz why windows!
18:45 bulletrulz lol i thought you were a good guy lol!
18:46 bulletrulz i thought u had arch?
18:46 jordan4ibanez Shouldn't the client try to render nodes that use different params (like torches) in the param that they are in when they are placed? So that there isn't that weird jump from one param to another when a server is lagging?
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18:49 bulletrulz http://coolrom.com/roms/psx/39641/Twisted_Metal_4.php Wanna of the best games for psx
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18:51 thexyz enterprise?
18:52 bulletrulz jordan4ibanez, did u pirate it
18:52 bulletrulz ?
18:52 jordan4ibanez No, it's a free trial lol
18:52 thexyz should be quite pricey
18:52 bulletrulz oh lol so your gonna switch back to the free world xD
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18:53 jordach There we go
18:53 jordach iPad ftw
18:53 bulletrulz booo
18:53 jordach Boo
18:54 bulletrulz android tablet ftw !
18:54 thexyz lol, ipad
18:54 thexyz throw it out and go buy some decent tablet
18:54 VanessaE if anyone's running 0.4.4 and wants to visit my laggy little world, it's still at 24.181.193.82 port 30000
18:54 bulletrulz thexyz, +!
18:54 bulletrulz +1
18:54 jordach Lol
18:54 Calinou KikaRz-away: don't use away nicks
18:55 Calinou just use /away <reason> and type it again when you are back
18:55 jordan4ibanez No, NO, NOOOO, http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=netrunner Netrunner is GONE
18:55 jordach Calinou, sfan does so
18:55 Calinou thexyz: tablets themselves suck...
18:55 Calinou no keyboard :facepalm:
18:55 PilzAdam has somebody anything against this? https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/c3eaa9cd64f24a55ce1fd2ff9fa0c9843597aebb
18:55 jordan4ibanez Calinou, you're french right?
18:55 Calinou netbooks are gonna die next year so they're the only option for small computers now :|
18:55 Calinou yes
18:56 jordach Trololololololololol, iPad keyboard ca keep up with my mass typing speed
18:56 jordan4ibanez Stop being french lol
18:56 thexyz Calinou: tablets are good for movies
18:56 jordach And other things too :3
18:56 Calinou lolmovies
18:56 Calinou TV == free (and legal) movies, even though they're shit
18:56 jordach Lol, netflix
18:56 thexyz (or animu)
18:56 jordan4ibanez You're all retarded, go to hulu
18:56 Calinou netflix sucks
18:56 Calinou USA FTL
18:56 Calinou MP3 FTW
18:57 jordach Calinou, come to the uk, where shit tv is always found
18:57 Calinou "Trololololololololol, iPad keyboard ca keep up with my mass typing speed"
18:57 Calinou nice autocaps you have there
18:57 Calinou nice typo you did there :)
18:57 jordach (I do not joke about our chit selection)
18:57 Calinou this is why i hate virtual keyboards :P
18:58 jordach Calinou, do I give a single damn
18:58 jordach +?
18:59 jordan4ibanez Calinou is just seeing how  butthurt he can get everyone
18:59 jordan4ibanez Like, All free software is buggy, unpolished, and underdeveloped
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19:00 jordan4ibanez It's a joke really, windows squashes linux, really
19:00 thexyz the whole point of tablets is not content creation but consumption
19:00 sokomine hi
19:00 Calinou better buy a computer since you can do both..
19:00 Calinou hi sokomine
19:00 thexyz yeah, yeah
19:01 jordan4ibanez The point of a tablet is portable computer, where you can't stick a laptop down, or it's unacceptable for a laptop to be there, or a laptop is too bulky or whatever
19:01 thexyz how about 10 hours of lifetime?
19:01 jordach Nekogloop, hello
19:01 jordan4ibanez tablets: good for movie, good for ms paint, bad for productivity
19:01 jordach Bullshit
19:01 jordan4ibanez Type a 1000 word essay, on a virtual keyboard on a tablet, then fling your fecal matter around
19:01 thexyz ipad actually is bad for movies
19:01 sokomine right. my mobile phone proved useful for consuming stuff (or reading on the internet) but inadequate for working. lacks a real keyboard
19:02 jordach Bollocks, I can type fine
19:02 jordach Yo neko, welcome back
19:02 NekoGloop Wut?
19:03 NekoGloop Didnt know this irc app checked for if i am going to timeout. I figured someone kicked me out.
19:03 jordach Neko, irc999?
19:03 NekoGloop No, colloquy.
19:03 jordach That's a lump of turd
19:04 jordach Ok then, back to pinball it is then
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19:06 bulletrulz back
19:08 bulletrulz lubuntu is great !|
19:08 jordach Huh
19:08 bulletrulz whats the de you guys use?
19:09 sokomine new_style_water does not seem to work for me. activated it with the newest build and got this: http://www.zimg.eu/i/1381679975 (there ought to be water where there's dirt and stone)
19:10 bulletrulz sokomine, what server u on?
19:10 sokomine vanessas
19:10 sokomine but that was just activating new_style_water
19:11 bulletrulz whats the ip?
19:11 PilzAdam sokomine, new_style_water is broken
19:11 PilzAdam try it with 0.3.1
19:11 PilzAdam farmesh is broken too
19:11 sokomine ok. looked definitely broken. vanessa said i ought to fill a bug report? or is that bug already known?
19:12 sokomine (i'm not sure if i need that option. was just trying it out because it sounded good)
19:12 bulletrulz this is weird
19:12 sokomine what does farmesh do?
19:12 bulletrulz sokomine, can u tell me the ip?
19:12 sokomine well, this is how that water ought to look (and does without new_style_water): http://www.zimg.eu/i/2255851993 (unspectacular screenshot without above bug)
19:13 sokomine 24.181.193.82  30000   but it's just for testing and might not be permanent
19:13 sokomine (vanessas server)
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19:14 PilzAdam sokomine, farmesh: http://c55.me/blog/?p=268
19:14 sokomine there are working carts from pilzadam there. they have some bugs but most of them can be worked around or are funny
19:14 sokomine hi mika
19:15 sokomine doesn't tell me what farmesh is supposed to be. i know "far", but "mesh" in this case?
19:15 Mika_R hi sokomine, you selling nyans on redcrabs server?
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19:17 sokomine no, sorry, never found a nyan cat except those placed by other players
19:17 sokomine ask vanessa or immanuel_kant. they seem to have large stores of almost everything :-)
19:18 sokomine or try out the new 3d-player. that's really great :-)
19:19 VanessaE hah!
19:19 VanessaE the only reason I have "large stores of everything" is because I'm obsessive, but I have yet to find a nyan cat by digging around :-)
19:20 sokomine how does one find them then? if not by digging around?
19:20 sokomine i've seen several recently on redcrabs server. seemed almost like an inflation of them
19:20 sokomine (cats placed by other players. not ones to pick up)
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19:22 NekoGloop Unless you have gloopblocks (haha fat chance), that is the only way.
19:23 Mika_R sokomine it was some qwerbs chests but also you had sub owner to that area, there was 1 nyan for show and 8 in the chest
19:23 VanessaE dig around, or /giveme or creative inventory :D
19:23 PilzAdam VanessaE, why did you closed the junglegrass pull request?
19:23 VanessaE that's how.
19:24 VanessaE PilzAdam: because you said it was "completely useless."
19:24 sokomine yes, i've been given subowner of the entire dc town. makes it easier to build the borders of the university. but i'm not owner of any cats :-)
19:24 PilzAdam VanessaE, that was a line comment; i commented on set_randomseed(os.time())
19:25 VanessaE HAH!
19:25 VanessaE I didn't even look at that :-)
19:25 VanessaE I will re-open it.
19:25 sokomine junglegrass isn't useless! that's very decorative
19:25 PilzAdam you dont have to
19:25 VanessaE ok, just pull in the latest junglegrass and put it in minetest_game/mods
19:25 VanessaE be sure you delete the .git* stuff from the top level.
19:26 sokomine ah. as part of default? nice!
19:26 PilzAdam VanessaE, i still prefer this: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/commit/e6c0b195664ca6cfe3ee346723bcc8dd0a5ee2a6
19:26 VanessaE PilzAdam: email alerts don't make it clear when a comment is against a line or the whole commit.
19:27 PilzAdam I disabled e-mail alerts
19:27 sokomine it's good if the minetest_game improves and has more and better mods in it
19:27 PilzAdam using web interface only
19:27 * VanessaE shrugs
19:27 VanessaE I don't like mapgen-based stuff like grass because it won't regrow if harvested.
19:28 PilzAdam thats the more common way
19:29 sokomine plus mapgen-based stuff doesn't appear when the mod is added at a later time. that forces players to roam around and load/generate new reagions whose sole purpose is to get the stuff that doesn't grow back. like scouting for papyrus on redcrabs server...
19:30 sokomine on the other hand lots of mods that add plants etc. slower things down (at least if there are lots of them). but plants are so nice...and barren grass so boring
19:30 jordan4ibanez What is a good backpack mod?
19:31 PilzAdam the one you code yourself, thats my experience
19:31 jordan4ibanez No sarcasm, please, is inventory plus good?
19:32 sokomine i like it. the bags are very practical
19:33 sokomine they arn't only useful for gathering stuff; they also help when building. with all those detailed blocks like stairs, slabs, microblogs, furniture, lights etc. the inv gets soon filled. bags help there
19:35 jordan4ibanez hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
19:35 jordan4ibanez PIlzadam, did you add the glassbreak sound to the init.lua
19:35 PilzAdam it was there already
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19:36 sokomine if you want to the the bags of inventory_plus in action go to calinous server or the kingarthur server. there they are in use
19:36 PilzAdam https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/init.lua#L703
19:37 jordan4ibanez Pilzadam: Oh okay
19:37 jordan4ibanez Sokomine: Hmm, my server is technic cmobined with some other mods, so my inventory gets stuffed, sounds good
19:37 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, also TODO: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/init.lua#L659
19:37 jordan4ibanez s/cmobined/combined
19:37 sokomine from a player's perspective the only disadvantage is that you need an empty inv once - to craft 4 large bags :-)
19:38 Calinou lol @ glass sounds
19:38 Calinou minecraft's ones...
19:38 Calinou :>
19:39 Calinou we still lack sound when stepping on glass, btw
19:39 Calinou PilzAdam: you should make glass sound like stone while being dug or walked on
19:39 Calinou erm, nevermind about the being dug part
19:39 dzho heh
19:39 dzho "glass ore" aka sand
19:41 sokomine hm :-)
19:42 Calinou torch ore aka coal
19:42 Calinou :>
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19:42 PilzAdam minetest ore aka irrlicht?
19:43 Calinou opengl ore aka graphics card?
19:47 * sokomine picks up a grapics card and stares at it, expecting it to drop an "irrlicht" item (maybe a pointer? object? who knows...)
19:49 hmmmm well
19:49 hmmmm there's a good idea for a total conversion mod
19:49 hmmmm you wake up in the middle of an enclosed box with nothing but a circuit board at the bottom
19:50 iqualfragile1 cool stuffs guys
19:50 iqualfragile1 cool stuffs
19:50 hmmmm and you build your own electronics
19:50 hmmmm and each components' function or whatever could be defined in lua
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20:05 sokomine hmm. seems the newest version does crash on older servers...or maybe it's something else?
20:05 VanessaE I used it on redcrab's server last night and it worked?
20:05 VanessaE it was crashy as usual, but no moreso than I've seen
20:07 Muadtralk i cant connect to Infinity without crashing
20:07 sokomine well, yes, the old version sometimes crashed as well. just had 3 crashes in sequence. but none on your server
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20:08 VanessaE celeron55: you seeing this?
20:08 sokomine i'll have a look if there's any pattern or helpful debug messages if it happens again
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20:16 jordan4ibanez Does the latest offer any performance benefits?
20:17 VanessaE not really that I've seen.
20:17 VanessaE but the 3d player models + Muadtralk's player_textures mod = win
20:17 PilzAdam not the windows win
20:19 VanessaE celeron55: by the way, that mod ( https://github.com/sdzen/player_textures ) exposes a bug in the game or engine or something -- it only works if used as part of a custom *game* (that is <mt>/games/some_game/mods), but it's supposed to work as a regular mod (<mt>/mods/minetest) as well.
20:19 VanessaE I'd file it on github if I knew where to start, seeing how it ain't my mod :-)
20:22 PilzAdam VanessaE, maybe you agree that this is the more common way to add junglegrass: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest_game/pull/57
20:22 PilzAdam regrowing junglegrass should stay as an additional mod
20:23 PilzAdam everything is done is mapgen and no other node "regrows"
20:23 PilzAdam and junglegrass shouldnt break this in default game
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20:25 Muadtralk why not just bring back jungles entirely?
20:25 VanessaE agreed with Muadtralk
20:26 VanessaE forget junglegrass and bas080/jungletrees.  give us back our jungles.
20:26 PilzAdam that would be nice
20:26 Muadtralk even though its useless so is gravel if you think about it
20:26 PilzAdam but until the engine gets patched
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20:27 sokomine it is decorative
20:27 jordan4ibanez Pilzadam, you should apply that patch you made so you can make placenode sounds
20:27 PilzAdam have to talk to an engine dev about that
20:27 VanessaE then use my junglegrass mod and not your mapgen one
20:27 VanessaE remember, mine grows the grass over time.
20:27 VanessaE four sizes, similar to farming.
20:27 VanessaE and the grass dies.
20:28 PilzAdam but no other node has this behaviour in the default game
20:28 VanessaE so?
20:28 VanessaE farming will eventually won't it?
20:28 jordan4ibanez NO
20:28 VanessaE celeron55 said he wants to add that, as I recall.
20:28 Muadtralk with better textures i hope
20:29 PilzAdam the map is something static that is generated in mapgen
20:29 VanessaE (except of course you have to hoe the ground to get seeds)
20:29 Muadtralk no  offense pilzadam
20:29 PilzAdam :-)
20:29 jordan4ibanez It will make the game heavier over time
20:29 VanessaE yeah but if it's done at mapgen time, it will not work on old servers/maps
20:29 Muadtralk but i dont know what those sticks coming out of the ground are
20:29 jordan4ibanez It needs to be done in mapgen
20:29 VanessaE because all the interesting map areas will have already be generated without grass
20:29 jordan4ibanez If it isn't it will make servers lag to shit
20:29 PilzAdam VanessaE, old servers have jungles...
20:29 VanessaE been
20:29 Muadtralk yes they do
20:29 sokomine better seed-aquisition-methods would be a good idea. the current way leaves people hoeing and leaving farmland behind that will be covered with weed
20:30 Muadtralk weed?
20:30 Muadtralk we adding that mod as well?
20:30 * Muadtralk pulls out a joint
20:30 VanessaE PilzAdam: sure, if they were generated with 0.3.x.
20:30 PilzAdam this farming mod will not go upstream
20:30 PilzAdam heres my dev branch for farming: https://github.com/PilzAdam/minetest_game/tree/farming
20:30 VanessaE but old maps also will have already been *harvested* of those things
20:31 Muadtralk there should be a search function for commits
20:31 Muadtralk it would make it less of a pain to backtrack on them
20:31 sokomine er, no, i'm talking about normal farming mod from pilzadam and careless players not digging it up and turning to dirt-with-grass again after searching for seeds. that doesn't look nice then
20:31 PilzAdam VanessaE, old servers can use your junglegrass mod to grow new junglegrass
20:31 VanessaE just like sokomine said earlier, it's getting REALLY difficult to find stuff on old maps anymore
20:31 jordan4ibanez It's because you must move forward
20:31 PilzAdam yes
20:31 jordan4ibanez you don't see any minecraft alpha maps out there
20:32 Muadtralk I still have my pet firefly in gameboom
20:32 sokomine and that leads to new areas genrated solely for the purpose of finding stuff like papyrus, yes. and lots of areas, lots of computing time just for the gathering of payrus
20:32 VanessaE PilzAdam: sorry, in practice, your idea by itself sucks. :-)
20:33 Muadtralk thats what gameboom has been doing for junglegrass
20:33 Muadtralk it sucks
20:33 PilzAdam why should every new map waste CPU because some old servers want it?
20:33 jordan4ibanez Vanesse: So do most of your ideas, but no one tells you.
20:33 sokomine hm. if i understand pilzadam correctly the mods in the default game ought to do all their stuff at mapgen time (which does lag considerably on my computer :-() - and things that grow can be part of additional mods?
20:33 jordan4ibanez I am on pilzadam's side on this one
20:33 PilzAdam sokomine, yep
20:33 jordan4ibanez Fuck the old servers, we're in 0.4.4 time to move on
20:33 PilzAdam and it uses existing dry shrub code
20:34 PilzAdam so no CPU increase at al
20:34 Muadtralk jordan4ibanez why does making flatlands have to lag so much?
20:34 PilzAdam jordan4ibanez, +154694546545456456
20:34 VanessaE jordan4ibanez: I already know my ideas suck.  no one has to tell me.  But I keep trying anyway until I come up with something that doesn't suck :-)
20:34 Muadtralk i altered it to create a nyanland for myself
20:34 jordan4ibanez Because it uses a strange ass function to generate flatland
20:34 Muadtralk with moving nyancats and everything
20:34 Muadtralk 2 fps
20:34 Muadtralk but it looks so pretty
20:34 jordan4ibanez I'd have to mod the engine to include flatlands
20:35 sokomine well...the re-growing plants are very nice :-) flowrs, junglegrass, bushes, payrus, cactus, ...
20:35 VanessaE sokomine makes a good point - we got enough stuff in mapgen already that makes the server lag then.  slowly-growing items like flowers or grass doesn't do that,
20:35 sokomine if they don't regrow it's not so nice. but lag is another consideration. hm. isn't there a way to do it better? maybe stuff planted by players could regrow?
20:35 Muadtralk I say we need more biomes first
20:35 Muadtralk not the lua mod ones
20:36 PilzAdam VanessaE, sokomine, my code doesnt increase CPU usage because it uses dry shrub code
20:36 Muadtralk actual ones like the deserts
20:36 PilzAdam hmmmm is working on that
20:36 jordan4ibanez Why don't we completely remove lua modifications to the biomes completely?
20:36 jordan4ibanez Lua mapgen slows down the entire game
20:36 VanessaE PilzAdam: it does because you're spawning *two* nodes now instead of just one.
20:36 Muadtralk agreed
20:36 PilzAdam but until its finished we need to do it in Lua
20:36 VanessaE means more stuff being spawned which means more CPU and eventually more lag at mapgen time.
20:36 sokomine or if a player picks up a flower another one gets respawned? that way there would be no need for constant abms?
20:37 PilzAdam VanessaE, compared to your abm its extremly fast
20:37 VanessaE heh.
20:37 hmmmm yeah don't worry about it guys, it's coming
20:37 * VanessaE shrugs
20:37 * jin_xi shrubs
20:38 * sokomine picks up the shrub and places it into her collection
20:38 * PilzAdam takes the collection and puts it in his collection collection
20:38 * jordan4ibanez lights you all on fire
20:38 * sokomine wonders where her plants have gone
20:39 * sokomine replaces the fire with fakefire
20:39 PilzAdam Ill make a forum topic about the junglegrass tomorow
20:39 jordan4ibanez Make a forumspec so you can trade with the junglegrass
20:40 PilzAdam gtg
20:40 jordan4ibanez Peace
20:40 PilzAdam bye
20:40 * sokomine plants a junglegrass
20:41 VanessaE so what can I do to improve the network latency of my server?
20:41 VanessaE it lags all to hell if the player isn't geographically very close to me, despite my having ample CPU and bandwidth available.
20:41 VanessaE and media download at login time takes an ice age because of that
20:42 jordan4ibanez Hard drive
20:42 sokomine the strange thing is that not everything lags. that walking around works fine is understandable...that probably happens entirely locally. but accessing creative inv is a pain
20:42 Muadtralk you can try to see if my conf settings help at all
20:42 sokomine no. can't account for *so* much lag
20:42 Muadtralk i have them ridiculously low
20:43 sokomine that wouldn't be harddrive but swapping old floppies as to the speed i'm experiencing
20:43 jordan4ibanez Oh it can be
20:43 jordan4ibanez My old server used to do that because of my old hard drive
20:44 Muadtralk grrrrrrr linux isnt reading my floppy drive
20:45 Muadtralk I WANT MY 1.4 MB!
20:45 sokomine but...that slow? hm
20:45 sokomine even if the hard drive where slow...linux does cache the data into ram if there is enough ram....
20:45 jordan4ibanez http://www.geek.com/articles/games/valve-adding-5000-steam-for-linux-beta-testers-today-20121123/
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20:48 harrison crustimony proseedcake
20:49 sokomine 6% media....
20:49 sokomine maybe i ought to check for package lost or something....
20:49 jordan4ibanez I think pinguy os is one of the sloppiest distros i've ever seen lol
20:50 KikaRz-away bye
20:50 KikaRz-away come back in a week
20:50 jordan4ibanez I mean look at this http://pinguyos.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Desktop.jpg
20:50 sokomine ping-time ~125 ms
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20:51 sokomine too many images, too few text. but that's something most guis have in common
20:52 sokomine local german server gets 46 ms ping time. so that can't account for the lag
20:52 jordan4ibanez Yea, the guy like crammed so many apps it looks displeasing, i remember when i had a dualcore with 2gb of ram and it ate it all up
20:53 jordan4ibanez Oh yea, pearos was my favourite distro! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtjW9Z_8ZCU
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21:04 jordan4ibanez Bye all you beaaaaaaauuuutiful peopleeeeeeeeeeee
21:47 sokomine my ping time is fine: 125 ms half accross the world. that's ok i think. what isn't ok is the reply time within minetest
21:48 VanessaE it's celeron55's congestion control.  It badly overestimates.
21:51 jin_xi try the tcp branch
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21:59 sokomine after logging onto another server and getting a black screen, then pressing f10: "Could not find win32 key for x11 key.: 269024778"
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22:10 VanessaE Taoki: try again.
22:11 Taoki VanessaE: Very slow. Wouldn't be surprised if it takes 10 minutes to log in. Been that way since last night though
22:11 sokomine be glad if it doesn't take you more than half an hour *sigh*
22:11 VanessaE Taoki: it might be faster now.
22:11 Taoki I hear the sounds, but it's still not rendering anything
22:11 VanessaE I'm getting, at beast, 1 to 2 of magnitude LESS than I can sustain.
22:12 VanessaE best*
22:12 VanessaE orders of magnitude*
22:12 VanessaE guess I out a word ;)
22:12 sokomine ah. i see you already "walking", taoki (in that logging-in-walking-state)
22:12 Taoki I don't see anything
22:13 Taoki it barely loads. Still says media is at 0%. Which is not the ambience mod, something is badly blocking the server or connection is very slow with it
22:13 VanessaE it's celeron55's congestion management code.
22:13 VanessaE it vastly overestimates the actual amount of congestion.
22:14 VanessaE so that an empty pipe looks congested if the connection is geographically too long.
22:14 sokomine oh, once you have loaded the data the next connection might be faster - less than a minute!
22:14 sokomine hm
22:15 Taoki 5 minutes and nothing
22:16 Taoki yeah
22:16 VanessaE restarting the server...
22:16 sokomine welcome :-) it took me more than 5 minutes
22:16 VanessaE ok, up
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22:16 kaeza hey guys
22:17 sokomine hi
22:17 kaeza what's up?
22:18 VanessaE hey kaeza
22:18 sokomine vanessas server. the network connection is due to not yet entirely determined reason extraordinary slow and requires communicaton over irc
22:18 Uberi one of the routers might be transmitting via carrier pidgeon
22:18 VanessaE lol
22:19 kaeza lol
22:19 sokomine the internet connection looks fine according to ping. just minetest doesn't really get through. seems each bit is send per ship....
22:19 kaeza V is your server still up?
22:19 kaeza wanna test it
22:19 Taoki Clearly the server connection has big issues
22:19 sokomine believe me, carrier pidgeon would be faster. the pidgeon would have died of old age in the meantime! :-)
22:19 kaeza this
22:20 kaeza ^
22:20 kaeza is untrue
22:20 Uberi it might be if it's a really old pidgeon :P
22:21 sokomine :-)
22:21 sokomine well, it's a long way ,-)
22:21 VanessaE Uberi: kaeza it is up, yes
22:21 VanessaE oops
22:21 * kaeza is having a bad hanover
22:21 VanessaE kaeza, it's up.
22:21 kaeza hangover*
22:21 kaeza ok
22:21 VanessaE 44.181.193.82 port 30000
22:21 Uberi can't wait for 0.4.4, they just boosted the sync rate to 10/s
22:22 sokomine oh...f10 wasn't a good idea
22:22 VanessaE 0.4.4 is already out.
22:22 kaeza oh and BTW how do you package minetest in a deb file? I'm not very good at that cpack thing
22:22 VanessaE Uberi: that ^^^^^ IP runs 0.4.4 built from git pulled a few hours ago.
22:23 VanessaE kaeza: I use checkinstall.
22:23 Uberi oh neat
22:23 Taoki Yeah, I can't connect... something is awfully wrong
22:23 kaeza I can't either
22:23 kaeza you sure it's the right IP?
22:23 Uberi VanessaE: was this happening yesterday?
22:24 VanessaE Uberi: the bandnarrowth?  yes.
22:24 Uberi :P
22:24 kaeza yesterday it was 24.181.193.82
22:24 VanessaE it's better today thanks to Muadtralk's help, but still 1-2 orders of magnitude less than I can actually sustain.
22:24 sokomine i'm getting the node-pictures. might not take much longer until i'm in again
22:24 Uberi VanessaE: default texpack or HD?
22:25 sokomine access to the creative inventory has improved considerably with whatever changes where done to the server
22:25 kaeza I don't seem to be able to connect :(
22:25 VanessaE Uberi: default textures, about 40 MB worth of media
22:25 VanessaE kaeza: 24.181.193.82 port 30000
22:25 VanessaE (not 3001)
22:25 VanessaE (not 30001)
22:25 Uberi 40 MB? O_o
22:25 kaeza yes, there was a typo in the IP
22:25 sokomine ok...that was too early. hangs again, the creative inv
22:26 VanessaE Uberi: yeah, but half of that is a mod RBA wanted me to test.
22:26 VanessaE Uberi: that won't be permanent.
22:26 kaeza ok connecting
22:26 Uberi which mod, VanessaE?
22:26 Uberi that is a ton of data
22:27 kaeza 40MB? wait.. what?
22:27 VanessaE ambiance + technic extensions.
22:27 kaeza ambiance is a CPU hog (at least when i tested it)
22:27 VanessaE the rest all together is only about 15 MB.
22:27 VanessaE kaeza: no major CPU usage here.
22:28 VanessaE the server is quite lean.
22:28 VanessaE Taoki: tarball of my cache folder:  http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/cache.tbz2
22:29 sokomine damage due to falling on the trampoline occours loong after i've stopped using it....
22:29 Uberi hey distributing cache folders is an awesome idea
22:29 VanessaE Taoki: that file is ~31.8 MB compressed.
22:31 Taoki Same story. It appears the cache isn't the issue
22:31 VanessaE weird.
22:32 Taoki It's not the sending of assets, something else is the cause
22:32 VanessaE but what? :-/
22:32 Taoki ok, now it worked
22:33 kaeza http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/30842485.jpg
22:34 sokomine some exception: (none given, as usual) and error messages on the console: GUIPauseMenu: Not allowing focus change. ERROR[main]: Some exception: "basic_string::_S_create"
22:35 Uberi hey didn't you already open an issue for that VanessaE
22:36 VanessaE why bother?  celeron55 won't listen and no one else knows how to fix it.
22:37 VanessaE server restarted to revert that sudden night->day transition.
22:37 kaeza just thinking, but does the protocol use some kind of hash?
22:37 VanessaE dunno
22:37 VanessaE except the filenames in the cache look hashed.
22:38 Uberi MD5, IIRC
22:38 kaeza I mean, compute the hash of a chunk in both client and server and if they don't match (or the chunk is not on the client) then the server sends the chunk (or even better some kind of diff)
22:40 kaeza bbia
22:41 VanessaE in a...what? :-)
22:41 Uberi in a blank
22:41 VanessaE lol
22:41 sokomine doesn't that happen already? connecting to a server with lots of data the second time is much faster than the first
22:41 kaeza back
22:41 kaeza oh lol
22:42 kaeza sokomime: yes, but does it do it in real-time?
22:42 kaeza oh nevermind
22:42 kaeza yes it does
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22:52 kaeza I mean about the chunks, not the media
22:54 VanessaE bbl, time for f00d
22:54 VanessaE :-)
22:55 kaeza buen provecho (don't know what the english phrase is)
22:56 VanessaE server restart coming..
22:56 VanessaE kaeza: in English we say it in french - bon appetit :-)
22:56 kaeza k :)
22:56 kaeza thanks for instructing me :)
22:57 VanessaE or sometimes, "eat hearty"
22:57 VanessaE bbl.
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23:03 sokomine ah, the chunks. i don't know
23:03 Octupus Hi
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23:03 Octupus hi muadtralk
23:07 kaeza hi Octopus
23:07 kaeza hi Muadtralk
23:09 kaeza http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/399354_369550616472684_634938890_n.jpg
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23:12 Octupus hi kaeza
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23:19 Octupus hi dogzilla131
23:19 Dogzilla131 hi octu
23:20 Octupus i saw your mod
23:20 Octupus more flags right
23:20 Octupus it is very nice :)
23:21 babyface1031 hi Octupus Dogzilla131
23:21 Dogzilla131 thanks :)
23:21 Octupus hi babyface1031
23:21 Dogzilla131 ho babyface
23:21 Dogzilla131 hi
23:21 Dogzilla131 misspelled
23:21 kaeza hey dog have you addes any flags?
23:21 kaeza added*
23:21 Dogzilla131 nope
23:22 Dogzilla131 dont have ideas of flags, somebody got some flags that they want me to add
23:23 jin_xi hm, so i have some mod ideas, wanna hear?
23:24 kaeza jin_xi: yes
23:24 kaeza what?
23:24 jin_xi first one is simple: /facepalm chatcommand and animation
23:25 jin_xi next: /whisper chatcommand, only players in radius 5 can see (hear) it
23:26 kaeza lol
23:27 kaeza Friend: "Hey bud! look at my awesome castle!" Me: (looking at 5x5 wood house) /facepalm
23:27 Uberi hey 5x5 wood houses are awesome
23:28 kaeza look @ this http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3475
23:29 kaeza it uses only 3dforniture
23:29 kaeza other than that, it's just vanilla minetest
23:30 jin_xi boats are much needed
23:30 kaeza +1
23:31 Uberi I agree
23:31 jin_xi i keep thinking of making some sort of jum and run games mashup in mt
23:31 kaeza a multinode/entity boat would be good
23:31 jin_xi jump
23:31 kaeza a-la mario?
23:31 jin_xi yup
23:32 jin_xi fuckin' hell my laptop is broken :(
23:32 kaeza that would be good to see
23:32 kaeza wut?
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23:32 jin_xi screen flickers all the time
23:32 kaeza wb octo
23:32 kaeza flickers?
23:33 kaeza is the OS screen flickering or minetest?
23:33 jin_xi jep, bad video signal connection
23:33 jin_xi hardware
23:33 kaeza oh
23:34 jin_xi i should totally make a ? block, that spawns coins when you jump under id
23:34 jin_xi then you can use said coins to play on arcade machine ;)
23:34 VanessaE back,
23:34 kaeza that has been discussed in the forums IIRC
23:34 kaeza wb V
23:34 VanessaE jin_xi: +10000
23:34 VanessaE :-)
23:34 Uberi hey VanessaE
23:35 VanessaE two pieces of pie (one beef, one apple) down the hatch and I'm good :-)
23:35 kaeza don't have the link to the topic handy though
23:36 kaeza beef pie? O_o
23:36 VanessaE arcade mod:  http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=52015#p52015
23:36 kaeza oh nevermind
23:36 VanessaE kaeza: beef "pot pie"
23:36 jin_xi uhm, i know, i made it :)
23:36 VanessaE jin_xi: I know that.  :-)
23:36 VanessaE kaeza didn't have the URL to it.  I obliged :-
23:36 VanessaE :-)
23:38 kaeza k :)
23:38 VanessaE jin_xi: want a custom skin in the server?
23:40 kaeza oh and BTW jin_xi, can I propose this: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=53027#p53027
23:40 jin_xi well, i kinda like the arcade machine RBA did ;)
23:41 jin_xi and i hope for some sort of computertest mod someday
23:41 Uberi hahaha that is incredibly clever
23:41 jin_xi then your node would fit better
23:41 jin_xi but yeah, go for it, its gpl licensed
23:42 jin_xi or make your own game:
23:42 jin_xi 12 levels of minesweeper, suddenly BSOD
23:42 jin_xi to fit the theme
23:42 kaeza lol
23:42 jin_xi Vanessa: what about a skin chooser mod?
23:43 * kaeza is going to steal the idea of a minesweeper: the MinetestSweeper
23:43 jin_xi a node that opens some ui so players can choose from a set of available skins
23:43 VanessaE that might be nice
23:43 VanessaE have it search the usual minecraft sites for now until a minetest skin repository can be added
23:44 kaeza but can the ui be done in the current version?
23:44 jin_xi idk, just have some default skins per server
23:44 Uberi how do we host the skin repo?
23:44 jin_xi keep it simple :)
23:44 Uberi site hosted by c55?
23:44 jin_xi later on, do mt gravatar...
23:44 Uberi third party service?
23:44 VanessaE well, right now it requires a server restart for a new skin to take effect,
23:44 kaeza jin_xi: +1
23:44 Uberi github repo? :P
23:44 VanessaE so this is probably not doable in Lua yet without a code tweak.
23:45 kaeza maybe code some kind of frontend for minetest?
23:45 jin_xi well, if all the skins are present at server startup, cant they be changed?
23:45 VanessaE nope.
23:45 VanessaE I tried.
23:45 jin_xi ok
23:45 VanessaE even if you replace a file with a new one, the user can't just log out/in.
23:45 VanessaE the server caches the image or something I guess.
23:46 jin_xi but did you try without changing any files, but having multiple there from the start?
23:46 VanessaE if no image exists and you put one in without a restart, the player will sign in with random colors and you get an error, all very much like when you define a node but forget to copy its textures in.
23:46 VanessaE (unable to load file such-and-such, creating dummy image)
23:47 kaeza hmm
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23:52 kaeza <offtopic>take a look at this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/100008207/screenshot_1058897008.png</offtopic>
23:56 kaeza it's 100% natural
23:57 VanessaE weird
23:57 VanessaE I've only seen sand do that with worldedit //set air or similar
23:58 Muadtralk ive seen it on old maps
23:58 kaeza pos is (7,7,51) seed: 3588888916236329615
23:59 kaeza it's on a world created on the brand-new 0.4.4
23:59 ecube what?

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