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IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2017-10-22

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00:03 shivajiva sauth import routine fixed, silly me trying to get the length of a non integer indexed table with #
00:07 shivajiva fixed a crash in sban also, update if you're using it :)
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09:50 Megaf Hi all
09:53 CALINOU hi :)
09:54 Megaf CALINOU, I see you've been eating lots of croissants
09:55 Megaf You gained some weight
09:55 CALINOU it's caps lock day!
09:55 CALINOU (again)
09:55 Megaf ah
09:56 MEGAF Raven262, shivajiva, quick, caps lock your name
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09:58 MEGAF CALINOU, SHOUDLN'T WE BE SCREAMING THEN?
09:59 MEGAF By the way, I used to have a couple of croissants with coffee for breakfast  almost every day couple months ago
09:59 MEGAF with butter
10:00 MEGAF routine was getting up, getting dressed or having shower, crossing the road to the local market and buying croissants for breakfast
10:02 CALINOU I don't eat croissants or the like anymore
10:03 MEGAF me neither :P
10:03 MEGAF I might make bread today tho
10:10 shivajiva I do like almond croissants dusted in icing sugar
10:12 shivajiva HI MEGAF, CALINOU, RAVEN262 :P
10:12 MEGAF hm, this month is my 10th year anniversary with GMail
10:13 MEGAF I mean, this year
10:13 MEGAF it was a month or two ago
10:13 MEGAF When I got GMail I had been using Freenode for one year already
10:14 shivajiva and what salubrious gift did they send for your loyalty?
10:14 MEGAF lots of GBs
10:14 MEGAF and a fantastic support team
10:14 shivajiva os spam lol
10:14 MEGAF I had to contact the support a couple of times and it was always awesome
10:14 CALINOU I no longer used GMail since early 2014 /p
10:14 MEGAF shivajiva, they filter the spam for me
10:14 CALINOU :p*
10:15 MEGAF meh, I actually have active emails in lots of places
10:15 MEGAF outlook, yahoo, gmail
10:15 CALINOU I was on OpenMailBox until July 2017, before they removed IMAP access from free accounts
10:15 CALINOU now I'm using Gandi email on my own domain
10:15 CALINOU 1 GB only, but it's enough
10:15 shivajiva I think most of do
10:15 CALINOU (OpenMailBox was 1 GB as well)
10:16 MEGAF I had my own email server and even my own cloud stack in the past
10:16 MEGAF but meh, not worth it
10:16 CALINOU the email is hosted by Gandi
10:16 CALINOU not myself
10:16 CALINOU that removes a lot of the hassle :P
10:16 shivajiva shame tormail didn't last
10:18 CALINOU it's a shame email still flies unencrypted over the Internet, too
10:18 CALINOU GPG failed its mission :/
10:19 shivajiva email is more like a postcard than a letter, everyone can read it
10:21 CALINOU yeah
10:21 CALINOU we're finally adopting secure-by-default design
10:21 CALINOU but that wasn't the case 20 years ago :P
10:22 shivajiva and a 2048 bit keypair is worthless these days apparently
10:22 MEGAF Yesterday I finally encrypted my /
10:22 MEGAF with 256 bit serpent encryption
10:23 MEGAF I do want to make my own cloud one day, fully encrypted
10:24 shivajiva I stopped doing encrypted system when I departed the MS camp, should I consider it for nix?
10:29 shivajiva given the trouble mounting and recovering data from an encrypted home partition on OS change was recently, I'm not driven towards encrypting data that isn't sensitive
10:33 MEGAF if you have a browser, and email, your data is sensitive
10:34 MEGAF I can control your life from a forgotten email cookie
10:34 MEGAF if I get access to you email, I get access to your Facebook, whatsapp, electricity bills  and so on
10:35 CALINOU shivajiva: 2048-bit is still decent today
10:35 CALINOU 4096-bit is a bit better, but not much
10:35 MEGAF shivajiva, and on Debian at least, to regain access to encrypted disk after formating or even during recovery is as easy as typing the password when it askes for it
10:35 CALINOU https://xkcd.com/538 applies, though
10:36 CALINOU MEGAF: password dialogs still don't understand non-QWERTY layouts, IIRC
10:36 CALINOU with LUKS
10:36 MEGAF well, Im using LUKS and my keyboard is qwerty
10:36 MEGAF so Im fine
10:36 MEGAF :P
10:38 CALINOU I'm pretty sure BitLocker understands them
10:38 CALINOU I never used full disk encryption anyway
10:38 CALINOU I should (the performance penalty isn't noticeable on a SSD and a CPU with hardware AES), but meh
10:39 MEGAF CALINOU, I had only my home encrypted
10:39 CALINOU you can do that, yeah
10:39 CALINOU but who knows, your lewd data is maybe in /opt
10:39 MEGAF then the guys at ##linux told me this was not enough, because something could just get access to / and  temper with luks or whatever
10:39 CALINOU that portable build of an open source game downloaded custom maps with lewd pictures, maybe :^)
10:40 MEGAF besides, if your swap is not encrypted, then encryption is useless
10:40 MEGAF considering someone really wants to get access to your data
10:42 MEGAF oh boy, for the first time in 6 or 7 years I forgot to wish happy birthday to my ex girlfriend
10:43 MEGAF Meh, she never said thanks anyway. So who cares
10:44 CALINOU you right now: http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/055.jpg
10:44 MEGAF hah
10:45 MEGAF I used to spend days playing WOLFET
10:45 MEGAF my record was like 3 days no stop
10:46 MEGAF "I am an engineer!"
10:46 MEGAF need medic
10:46 CALINOU that game was the shit in the 2000s
10:46 CALINOU "too hipster for Counter-Strike? play Wolf:ET!"
10:47 MEGAF I used to play Quake Wars too, man, those graphics were impressive back in the day
10:47 MEGAF and of course, Medal of Honour
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11:36 Krock Not bad. colors.txt being 470 kB large.. plenty of node colors :)
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12:52 CALINOU Krock: time to introduce CaaS, Colors.txt as a Service
12:52 CALINOU an API returning a node's color
12:52 CALINOU $0.01 per retrieval
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13:09 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/3s0tn952vA.png
13:09 rubenwardy WHY ALL THE SHOUTING?
13:11 Raven262 Is it strange if I didn't manage to understand that text, rubenwardy?
13:11 rubenwardy the image is a forum PM
13:12 Raven262 Yea Ik
13:12 Raven262 What written in it though
13:12 Raven262 Seems unreadable :P
13:13 rubenwardy translation:  "How do I become a mod[erator on your server], are the[re] spots left or not. I'm on a lot. I [won't] abuse ban. If I do [ban] I promise to follow the rules."
13:13 Raven262 Thanks.
13:14 Raven262 I seriously needed that.
13:15 Raven262 Everybody thinking of how to gain power on the servers, not many actually knowing the weight of that power :P
13:18 rubenwardy *House of Cards theme plays*
13:24 rubenwardy as a general rule, I'm not going to give privileges to people    a) I don't know    and    b) ask for them
13:26 Raven262 I'm one of the admins on Craig's server. And I would refuse to be admin on any other server. Too much work.
13:28 rubenwardy CTF is easy as there's no persistent map
13:28 rubenwardy this means there's no real community, so arguments are minimal
13:29 rubenwardy just lots of hacking claims
13:29 Raven262 Ah
13:29 rubenwardy which go straight to the trash
13:29 Raven262 Its not really hard to make a client which allows you to fly :P
13:30 rubenwardy yeah, if I'm online at the time I go on to the server as an alias and watch them
13:30 rubenwardy 9/10 they're not flying
13:30 rubenwardy so far at least
13:31 rubenwardy need to investigate anticheat
13:36 Krock rubenwardy, can i has fly pls
13:36 Raven262 no ban just fly
13:36 Raven262 pls pls pls
13:36 Raven262 xD
13:36 rubenwardy the first thing I said when joining Redcat was "give me admin pls"
13:37 Krock ^ my alternative text
13:37 rubenwardy one of Shara's moderators didn't like that very much
13:37 Krock /give username admin
13:37 Shara :D
13:37 Raven262 Still better that that guy over at Craig's, spams in Greek the whole chat log, after that uses Google translate to contact admins. And I'm like wtf?
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13:38 rubenwardy tempted to make privs called   fkick and fban  which actually do those things on the caller instead
13:38 Shara rubenwardy: there's reasons I keep tweaking my "curses" mod to use against players...
13:38 rubenwardy I'm not quite that troll level though
13:38 Krock great idea :3
13:39 lisac <Raven262> I'm one of the admins on Craig's server. And I would refuse to be admin on any other server. Too much work.
13:39 lisac awesome, I think more people should take this stance
13:39 lisac more admin positions for the good lisac.
13:39 Raven262 ^He doesn't do all the work.
13:39 lisac hey hey I'm helping!
13:39 Raven262 A lot
13:39 Shara Raven262: don't worry. I sometimes refuse to admin on my own servers, and inform my moderator team I'm on strike and it's up to them :D
13:39 Raven262 Seriously
13:40 Raven262 lol Shara
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13:40 * lisac says something about making his own server with Blackjack and hookers.
13:40 Raven262 :P
13:41 lisac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l3ipKcnYlQ
13:41 Raven262 Craig isn't really there most of the time, so Craig's server is moderated by us admins, completely.
13:41 Raven262 We do occasionally hire people to do some jobs for us, like cleaning up areas.
13:42 Shara Just made a sneak mode switcher command for subtle messing with annoying players :)
13:42 lisac Shara, randomly revoke interact, and grant it 10 seconds later when player starts reporting it
13:43 Shara I already have commands to disable map and jumping and so on on a per-player basis
13:43 * lisac makes a note to never play on Shara's server
13:43 lisac sorry :)
13:44 Shara I rarely use them.
13:44 Shara It's reserved for players who are super annoying but don't quite deserve a ban
13:45 Shara My end goal is actually looking at status effects and debuffs and things
13:46 lisac why not just ban them?
13:46 Shara Because sometimes people can learn and I try not to be completely evil.
13:47 Shara It;'s like asking why do people kick instead of ban, or why do people use jail mods
13:49 Raven262 Oh yeah, I completely forgot that i can actually kick players.
13:49 lisac Yes: but I don't get it how could behavior be annoying enough to force a player to leave due to incredible retardation, but not enough to just kick/ban him?
13:50 Shara It's entirely possible they don't realise their behaviour is undesirable, or just don't care about it, until they see it has consequences.
13:51 Shara It's totally fine if you never want to play on my servers because I don't take the same approach to handling players that you do though.
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14:11 Megaf Downloading Windows 10 Enterprise for evaluation
14:11 Megaf Let see how it is
14:11 Megaf I hated the Home and Pro editions
14:11 Megaf and I tested the home and pro N
14:12 Megaf in the Pro N there was some not useful xbox things for example, and it is impossible to uninstall
14:27 Krock Fox news about GitHub: https://i.redd.it/yikh4co7r6tz.jpg
14:29 rubenwardy jesus christ
14:30 rubenwardy the first one is the only one that resembles the truth
14:30 Megaf that really hurts, reading that
14:31 Megaf common, you don't need to be a "computer expert" to see that "reposotory" is wrong
14:38 Krock rubenwardy, out of interest.. what did that NewbProg comment in the ItemStack PR?
14:38 rubenwardy merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge merge
14:38 Krock ah. that explains it. thanks.
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15:04 CALINOU Krock: haha, Faux News at its best :P
15:04 Krock ^^   switched to caps lock lately, btw?
15:05 RUBENWARDY H Y P E
15:05 RED-001 IS IT CAPS DAY?
15:05 RUBENWARDY YES
15:05 RUBENWARDY NO CAPS PLEASE
15:05 RUBENWARDY was kicked by RUBENWARDY: RUBENWARDY
15:05 RED-001 OK
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15:06 RED-001 LOL FOX NEEWWSS
15:08 Krock that hype was way too short IMO
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15:09 Krock why does "NEWS" contain all directions but "compass" doesn't?
15:09 CALINOU https://i.redd.it/fy1txtyenctz.png
15:09 FAIR_AND_BALANCE let the hype continue
15:09 CALINOU a must-have for today's communication
15:09 CALINOU because copying ASCII faces requires ads ;)
15:09 Krock > ASCII
15:09 Krock > using unicode characters
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15:10 IhrFussel Hi guys
15:10 Krock hi IhrFussel
15:10 CALINOU https://i.redd.it/mq3lpr1scctz.png
15:10 CALINOU how to store data
15:11 Krock looked at the last characters and almost wondered why you reposed it
15:11 CALINOU heh, yeah
15:11 CALINOU I often judge URLs by their last characters as well :P
15:11 sfan5 tip: domain names are case-insensitive so you can uppercase them
15:12 sfan5 HTTPS://GITHUB.COM/minetest/minetest
15:12 CALINOU the generator used for that meme is linkeda at the top: https://mat3e.github.io/brains/
15:12 CALINOU sfan5: yeah
15:12 CALINOU HTTPS://GITHUB.COM/MINETEST/MINETEST
15:12 CALINOU even works :)
15:12 CALINOU (GitHub is case-insensitive)
15:13 Krock Minetest currently implements: 1 (postgres), 3 (API, serverlist), 7 (dummy)
15:13 FAIR_AND_BALANCE https://github.com/FAIR_AND_BALANCED
15:13 Krock CALINOU, you should start using LUA to code your mods
15:14 FAIR_AND_BALANCE YOU mean L.U.A right?
15:14 Krock HTTPS://GITHUB.COM/MNIIP/LUA
15:16 FAIR_AND_BALANCE can we add support to minetest for this?
15:22 Megaf <Krock> why does "NEWS" contain all directions but "compass" doesn't?
15:22 Megaf mind blow
15:23 Krock Would fit well as a Macintosh Plus 420 comment
15:25 Megaf lol, LUA for of lua
15:25 Megaf lmao
15:25 Megaf because why not
15:48 Fixer MICROSOFT USES CAPS TOO NOW< IT IS TRA(E)NDY
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17:01 Megaf Downgraded from vbox 5.2 to 5.1
17:01 Megaf I like 5.1 interfaces more
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18:32 Fixer szooooo mooove
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19:18 tenplus1 hi folks
19:19 Shara Hi tenplus1
19:19 tenplus1 hi Shara
19:19 tenplus1 hows things
19:19 Shara Not too bad thanks. You?
19:19 tenplus1 tired...  will be away for a while after tonight
19:21 Shara Ohh, travels?
19:22 tenplus1 yeah, spain and poland
19:22 Shara Nice :D
19:24 tenplus1 <fingers crossed> it's a good trip.. I hear things on the news about spain
19:25 Shara How long are you gone for?
19:25 tenplus1 12 days total
19:28 tenplus1 lol, saw someone reference caverealms lite on xanadu forum... heh
19:28 Shara Yea... I guess they didn't read the actual thread they were linking...
19:29 Shara It only lists Xanadu as one of the servers that helped test it :P
19:29 tenplus1 ehehheheh
19:30 Shara I don't know why they are dropping links to it like that
19:30 Raven262 Hi ten
19:30 tenplus1 hi raven
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19:31 tenplus1 hi Darcidride
19:31 Darcidride Hi
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19:40 tenplus1 hi ben
19:43 Sokomine hmm. does anyone of you know which upstream a mt server requires? one server owner runs mineclone2 on a rather slow line. the result is massive lag even if just one player is connected
19:43 CalebDavis hi ten
19:43 tenplus1 hi caleb... hi sokomine
19:49 Sokomine hi ten
19:49 tenplus1 o/
19:50 benrob0329 Hi tenplus1
19:50 tenplus1 :P
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19:53 tenplus1 hi Aerozoic and Miner
19:53 Aerozoic wazup
19:54 Miner_48er hi
19:54 Aerozoic Any good news this weekend?
19:56 tenplus1 yeah, I has a good coffee :P
19:57 Aerozoic lol
19:58 Fixer Sokomine: maikerumine server? it is USA one, and it is probably running on his home PC
19:59 tenplus1 o/ Fixer
20:02 Fixer hi
20:22 Sokomine fixer: no, maikaumines servers usually run very fine, even though there are many hostile mobs around
20:23 tenplus1 nite folks...
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20:41 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HuJK5nITyo
20:50 IhrFussel Sokomine, is the lag actually network lag or maybe server lag? Check max_lag in /status
20:50 Fixer testing loot
20:52 Fixer sfan5: string has no more uses, maybe use cotton for now?
20:52 Fixer sfan5: for loot
20:52 sfan5 it specifically picked string because it's so useless :D
20:53 Fixer hahah
20:53 Fixer stop trolling minetest_game
20:54 sfan5 cobwebs would also be a nice touch but i remember that idea being rejected previously
20:56 Fixer it is rejected first time, but can be accepted second time
20:59 Fixer sfan5: what about adding rails to loot? (somewhat silly)
21:00 sfan5 sounds reasonable
21:01 Fixer sfan5: btw
21:01 Fixer sfan5: i have huge suggestion
21:02 Fixer sfan5: i know for a fact - people on servers LOVE to use rock with ores intact (via mods), will be nice to have it as loot
21:02 sfan5 not sure if that's the right way
21:02 Fixer sfan5: for example, stone_with_diamond, it is used for decoration
21:03 sfan5 i'd rather have it the MC-way with a "special" pickaxe that keeps ores intact
21:03 Fixer could be, i even asked for that somewhere
21:03 Fixer for example, we have DUMB bronze tools, make it special or smth
21:04 sfan5 adding *just* stone_w_diamond would be fine, but making every ore findable as stone_with_* as loot, nah
21:05 Fixer sfan5: coal, copper, diamond, gold, iron, tin, mese :}
21:05 Fixer not too many, it can be rare
21:05 Fixer they are used for decor
21:05 Fixer but special pickaxe idea can be used too
21:06 Fixer i will move this to issue discussion
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21:13 sfan5 Fixer: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/192​1/commits/86af2815ac2997eb2f257a782bbab319fb013555
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21:15 Fixer sfan5: what about hoes?
21:15 sfan5 pff usless
21:15 sfan5 nobody needs those
21:15 sfan5 having rare diamond hoes would be the ultimate troll
21:15 sfan5 but i decided for axes instead because those are useful
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21:15 Fixer ok
21:17 Fixer sfan5: i see dirt in loot, silly idea: add dirt with rainforest litter, reason? there is no way to pick it up or generate it by hand, will be used for spawning jungle earth
21:17 CALINOU evening :)
21:17 Fixer CALINOU: HI
21:17 CALINOU <sfan5> pff usless
21:17 CALINOU <sfan5> nobody needs those
21:18 CALINOU someone on the forum once said, "I dont craft hoes I get them from clubs!"
21:18 Fixer sfan5: also, ladders, people uses them to little, time to encourage them
21:19 sfan5 ladders used to be in chests for heights > 48
21:19 sfan5 but i thought it was stupid
21:19 Fixer chest in loot chest!
21:20 sfan5 the chest itself is part of the loot too
21:20 Fixer oh right
21:21 sfan5 :D
21:21 Fixer sfan5: what about some healing stuff? like apple/bread
21:22 Fixer sfan5: in my defence - you need to unload whole fucking chest before taking it, and this mt aspect sucks, in mc you dig it and collect everything at once
21:22 Fixer is mt way more realistic? probably
21:23 Fixer dungeons spawn everywhere underground or near surface?
21:27 Fixer one of my favs games of all time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lazBEOE0FI8
21:28 sfan5 Fixer: everywhere underground
21:47 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHU4Ht42zO0
21:59 Fixer Minetest 0.5.0-dev under X800GTO, caves in darkness - https://i.imgur.com/jmqYGN8.png
22:02 Fixer sfan5: we are now 10 cantimeters clother to minecraft beta
22:04 Fixer closer*
22:04 Fixer my english is drunk
22:06 Fixer sfan5: buckets everywhere...
22:07 Fixer sfan5: just my luck
22:10 Fixer aaayyy, rare mese blck in loot
22:12 Fixer huge dungeon room https://i.imgur.com/T51skHM.png
22:12 Fixer with loot
22:13 Fixer sfan5: empty loot possible?
22:14 Fixer sfan5: it was also blocking stairs
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22:20 Megaf So I copied the fonts from my Windows Server VM and installed WPS Office in my Linux box. Done, no need for Microsoft Office and Windows anymore, I'm actually quite impressed by how well WPS works, it's features and now with Windows Fonts all compatibility problems are over.
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22:52 Sokomine Fixer: there's that nice ropebox based on vines. maybe that could be based on string from cotton and be included in mtg
22:53 Sokomine Fixer: doesn't help if decorative items are not available in the amount they are needed. players will either have to use a creative server or use another material
22:53 Natechip RIP my graphics ard
22:53 Natechip card
22:54 Natechip u know ur graphics card sucks when it cant use simplescreenrecorder
22:54 Natechip XD
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22:56 benrob0329 Natechip: SSR uses the cpu
22:56 benrob0329 For encoding, anyways
22:56 Natechip u know ur cpu sucks when it cant use simplescreenrecorder
22:56 Natechip XD
23:00 benrob0329 #ObsMasterRace
23:02 Jordach i record my videos through the information directly off of the HDMI pins
23:02 Jordach it's so raw
23:03 CALINOU benrob0329: it can also make use of GPU encoding, but by default it only uses the CPU
23:03 * Jordach looks at RX 480
23:03 benrob0329 THANKS CALINOU
23:03 Jordach encoding i hear
23:03 JORDACH :^)
23:03 Calinou caps lock day is over here, by the way
23:03 benrob0329 NOW I KNOW
23:05 Jordach (^:
23:05 Jordach i know two thinigs
23:05 Jordach my wallet says yes to second gen VR headsets
23:06 Jordach and another PCI USB connector set
23:06 Jordach and maybe the RX 680
23:10 Jordach Calinou, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​13Akuj9Xyk0&amp;feature=youtu.be
23:15 Jordach benrob0329, currently full of salt
23:16 Jordach >logitech g29 wheel
23:16 Jordach >works in USB3 port
23:16 Jordach >stops working randomly
23:16 benrob0329 \>technology
23:16 Jordach when did PCI USB 2.0 ports end up being £20
23:17 benrob0329 When they stopped being $19
23:20 Jordach they used to be like £4
23:20 Jordach >has amazon student prime run out two months ago
23:20 Jordach >somehow prime student was called march 2016
23:20 Jordach student prime that went into full size prime
23:20 Jordach question is
23:21 Jordach i don't know *how* it became student again
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