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00:11 Natechip working hard gets you places
00:58 Megaf My GNOME 3 right now https://imgur.com/gallery/4uAWl
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01:13 benrob0329 Megaf: interesting
01:13 Megaf I wanted a mix of macOS and Win10 actually
01:14 ThomasMonroe that would be interesting
01:16 benrob0329 My Bspwm atm (laptop config)
01:17 * benrob0329 uploaded an image: 1508721393.png (1659KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/down​load/matrix.org/vnolgRLjytXEVrzNiSkDrTYA>
01:17 Megaf what kind of file manager is that?
01:19 benrob0329 ranger, it uses the same kind of layout as MacOS's finder
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02:37 srifqi hi!
02:40 Natechip hello
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04:26 jas_ servers running: dcbl.duckdns.org:30000, 30002: dev, 30003: 0.4.16 (stock, default), 30005: 0.5.0 (stock, default).
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11:24 IhrFussel I added genders to my modified mobs API ... and since animals always have a name tag in it I can simply display the gender after that name tag
11:27 Fuchs do you need mixed gender animals for breeding, then?
11:46 IhrFussel Yes, that way there won't be any awkward moments like "tom" and "thomas" having a baby
11:46 Fuchs might be tricky for animals that are hard to find / catch, but yes, makes sense
11:47 IhrFussel Well it will encourage my players to look further for animals =P
11:48 IhrFussel Or in other words look for the gender they want
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12:01 Fuchs do they have different skins?
12:02 Fuchs like, in the real world animals tend to look different, male to female. At least some of them  (less so the usual stuff, like canines and bunnies and horses)
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12:16 jas_ lol?  i guess, if you flip them upside down.
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12:24 Megaf Hi all
12:24 jas_ greetings
12:24 Megaf Any news from Nateship?
12:25 jas_ what do you mean?
12:25 Megaf Early this morning he was venturing in installing Debian
12:25 Megaf I'd like to know how it went
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12:26 jas_ i dunno, i just hit PgUp a bunch and didn't see anything, dood
12:26 jas_ doesn't look good
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12:27 jas_ should just buy a pc with linux
12:28 Megaf I can't disagree
12:28 Megaf And back in the day there was plenty of machines with Unix OSes
12:29 jas_ it would come with games
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12:30 Megaf AIX became OpenSource!? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia​/commons/7/77/Unix_history-simple.svg
12:31 Megaf Nome
12:31 Megaf Nope, not at all
12:32 * jas_ is compiling to test bindable dig/place
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12:33 jas_ right now i got esdf movement, and txcvargb slots1-8
12:33 jas_ it's going to be weird going back to mouse2 to jum
12:33 jas_ p
12:36 Megaf hm, OpenServer is OpenSource now, I still dont quite get it the relation with AIX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenServer
12:36 Jordach the line goes to FreeBSD
12:36 Megaf jas_, why you did that?
12:36 Jordach you silly Megaf
12:37 jas_ i can move and pick keys very easy
12:37 Megaf Jordach, Thanks!
12:37 jas_ and i always did right mouse button to jump in games
12:39 Megaf anyone into mouse/mice traps? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3rrdMKhUoI
12:46 jas_ WWAAAAHH hahahha *tears of joy*
12:46 jas_ it's so beautiful
12:46 jas_ ty .. samcaulfield
12:47 Fixer other type of mouse trap: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b7/3d/51/b73d519955787d​e21f8bec22f70aa12f--mouse-traps-the-japanese.jpg
12:48 jas_ now that i'm right click jumping it feels more like quake, and i'm going to make some jump tracks
12:54 Fixer mouse traps are damn loud
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14:10 Megaf guys, opinions on my current desktop please https://imgur.com/gallery/8WImJ
14:11 Raven262 I like it =)
14:11 Raven262 Mostly cause its clean.
14:12 Megaf I cant make my mind if I prefer Numix theme set or Breeze
14:12 Raven262 I chose breeze, I like it more for some reason :P
14:13 Megaf this is Numix https://imgur.com/a/4uAWl
14:13 Raven262 Though i like to recolor stuff, my Desktop is blue.
14:13 Calinou hi
14:13 Megaf Hi Calinou
14:13 Raven262 o/ Calinou
14:13 rubenwardy prefered yourprevious background, Megaf
14:13 rubenwardy I think you posted it earlier today
14:14 rubenwardy that one has too much noise
14:14 Calinou my Manjaro VM looks like this: https://media.hugo.pro/Virtua​lBox_2017-10-23_16-13-52.png
14:14 Calinou Raven262: nope, not yet
14:14 Megaf https://imgur.com/a/4uAWl rubenwardy this one
14:14 rubenwardy yeah, that's really nice
14:14 Megaf dat resolution Calinou
14:14 rubenwardy not keen on fixed launchers in task bar personally, but it does look so nice
14:15 Calinou yeah, with the Guest Additions, the VM can run at 2560×1440 goodness :)
14:15 Megaf Calinou, I like the icon theme
14:15 Calinou I left the default icons/theme from Manjaro KDE
14:15 Calinou I changed the font to Inter UI, with hinting disabled, though
14:15 Megaf rubenwardy, I do it mostly because aesthetics yes
14:15 Calinou and made the task bar use a classic "task bar" thing, rather than a Windows 7-like thing with only icons
14:16 Megaf since I start programs mostly from command line or "run" dialog
14:16 Megaf Calinou, that's not 7-like
14:16 Megaf macOS has been like that before Windows even existed
14:16 Calinou well, Windows 7 introduced it in the task bar
14:16 Calinou I always disable it :P
14:17 Calinou (and use compact taskbar)
14:17 Megaf if you look at my Windows 10 VM, you will see that I have it disabled to on the taskbar
14:17 Megaf I hate window grouping
14:18 Raven262 This is my desktop right now: https://i.imgur.com/whn0lzg.png
14:18 Megaf Raven262, very noisy :P
14:18 Raven262 But makes me creative :P
14:18 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/prbyRGMOph.png
14:18 Megaf but I like the choice of theme and colours
14:18 Raven262 I hope.
14:19 rubenwardy oops
14:19 rubenwardy https://i.rubenwardy.com/AKUWNC9WM2.png
14:19 sfan5 why not 17.10
14:19 Megaf thumbs up for XFCE
14:20 Megaf double thumbs down for Ubuntu :P
14:20 rubenwardy I was using it all day yesterday, so haven't updated it yet
14:20 Raven262 I updated yesterday i think.
14:20 rubenwardy but will do when I have less coursework
14:21 rubenwardy xubuntu, not by canocial
14:21 rubenwardy I think
14:21 Megaf hm, let me try Numix icon theme and Breeze GTK theme
14:21 rubenwardy same PPAs though
14:21 rubenwardy just no adware
14:21 Aerozoic Anybody do anything creative with these little intel stickers after they unstick from ur laptop?
14:22 Megaf if intel I put in hte bin
14:22 Megaf you can sell them on ebay tho
14:22 * Raven262 hides his AMD PC.
14:22 * Megaf fan of AMD
14:23 Aerozoic I'm not a fan of intel either, lol. If i coulda got AMD i would have.
14:23 Megaf I'm buying either a ThreadRipper or Epyc when I get the money
14:23 Raven262 Nice, I bought it cause it was way cheaper than an Intel with the same specs :P
14:24 Megaf I am actually inclined to buy a dual CPU Epyc motherboard, with two Epyc CPUs, a Vega VGA, some PCI-E SSDs and put all in a suitcase
14:24 Raven262 I'm unsure though if the APU was a better choice than a real graphics card.
14:24 Raven262 lol
14:24 Megaf Making a portable workstation
14:25 Megaf Raven262, there are some Ryzen based APUs coming
14:25 Megaf those will be pretty good
14:25 Megaf Raven262, if you can get Quad Channel DDR4 memory then you will have pretty good performance for an integrated GPU
14:27 Megaf Arc-Darker GTK theme and Breeze icon theme, https://i.imgur.com/W7Sy5Tt.png
14:27 Megaf I think that's ideal
14:28 Raven262 I have concluded that it might be that time of the year when i change the theme of my PC :P
14:33 Calinou quad channel hardly matters
14:33 Calinou (the Ryzen APUs will have quad channel? that sounds surprising, too)
14:34 Calinou Raven262: IGP performance surprises me a lot sometimes (both positively and negatively)
14:35 Calinou I can get 90-120 FPS on DarkPlaces in 1920×1080, on an Intel HD 3000 (a very old IGP, on an i7-2600K)
14:35 Calinou that's the PC I gave to my mom :P
14:35 Calinou it's with low settings (but with r_shadows 2!), but still
14:35 Calinou meanwhile… the Intel HD 620 that's on an i7-7500U (my laptop) can't play Doom 3 with everything lowered well
14:35 Calinou (even with all shadows forced off)
14:36 Calinou Trackmania Nations Forever is only playable with lowest settings (and textures kept to High)
14:36 Calinou (playable is "never below 40 FPS" to me, on a laptop)
14:36 Megaf That's a nice browser https://i.imgur.com/VVd2hzL.png
14:36 * Wayward_One peeks in
14:36 Calinou Vivaldi?
14:37 Megaf <Calinou> quad channel hardly matters
14:37 Megaf disagree
14:37 Megaf Calinou> (the Ryzen APUs will have quad channel? that sounds surprising, too)
14:37 Megaf no idea
14:37 Megaf Calinou, yep
14:38 Megaf basically all amazing Opera engineers who created the true Opera, left Opera and made Vivaldi
14:38 rubenwardy someone using Vivaldi?????
14:38 rubenwardy :O
14:38 Megaf Vivaldi is the spiritual continuation of Opera
14:39 Megaf I still use Opera 12.16 now and then. Still there's nothing like it no a days
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14:44 Raven262 Megaf, remember my desktop from a few minutes ago? This is what happened for a moment when i started TF2 and Alt+Tab to the desktop. Only for a moment but i was somehow able to capture it  https://i.imgur.com/GFfr4Bv.png
14:47 Megaf Raven262, scary
14:48 Raven262 All the things that KDE has done to my desktop over the last few months were indeed scary Oo
14:48 Raven262 I have seen many things of this sort.
14:50 Megaf I has been said before, KDE is super buggy
14:50 Megaf GNOME 3 is way more polished
14:52 rdococ lol, this tablet lets me multitask. something apple didnt do.
14:57 Megaf Did anyone notice the new LibreOffice interface in my screenshot?
14:57 Megaf https://i.imgur.com/45gITEW.png
14:58 Megaf I don't like it much, but they are going to the right direction I think
14:58 benrob0329 Megaf: interesting
14:58 Calinou I didn't
14:58 Calinou it takes way too much vertical space :(
14:59 Calinou do developers understand it's precious in 2017?
14:59 Calinou 16:9 is the new 4:3 :)
14:59 benrob0329 Vivaldi is an interesting idea as well, though its neither free nor packaged by most distros
15:01 Megaf For some time I used PCLinuxOS, It was awesome, it supported my ATI VGA out of the box and came with Opera as default browser
15:01 Megaf what else could I ask for? It was perfect
15:01 Calinou more than 10 users?
15:01 Calinou :D
15:02 Megaf PCLinuxOS was larger back then
15:02 rdococ Lol
15:02 rdococ Lol
15:02 rdococ Oops, that sent twice
15:03 benrob0329 I quite like Void atm, its fairly minimal (actually I wish tbe base system had some more standard tools like gcc) but quite fast and flexible
15:03 rubenwardy Megaf, looks bugged
15:03 benrob0329 Not as high maintenance as Gentoo
15:08 Megaf rubenwardy, what looks bugged
15:08 Megaf ?
15:09 rubenwardy libre office
15:09 rubenwardy looks like it's broken
15:12 benrob0329 Plot twist: all word processors are broken
15:15 Megaf I like how we can make a good use of space on Vivaldi https://imgur.com/a/ytftV
15:16 Megaf rubenwardy, I agree, I just opened my CV that I started using word online to edit, then I used WPS, and now I opened it in LibreOffice, total mess in LibreOffice
15:16 Megaf beutiful on WPS
15:16 Megaf no idea how it looks in word
15:17 Megaf benrob0329, I totally agree
15:17 rubenwardy I use libreoffice, and it works fine for me
15:17 jas_ https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comm​ents/781r96/4dwm_party_like_its_1997/ <-- megaf you go to this sub?
15:17 rubenwardy I don't care about word compatibility though
15:17 jas_ love it lol
15:19 jas_ twm: https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/commen​ts/783576/twm_minimal_simple_is_awesome/ <-- miss that one
15:19 benrob0329 LaTeX FTW :P
15:19 Calinou https://media.hugo.pro/fire​fox_2017-10-23_17-19-25.png
15:19 Calinou help Tiled reach its Patreon goal of $null!
15:19 Calinou ;)
15:19 benrob0329 (Tbh LaTeX is actually really cool, it almost makes me with I wrote more things)
15:19 Megaf jas_, hah, awesome
15:21 Megaf opened my CV on word online, a full page is just missing, and the color is like a carnival
15:21 benrob0329 jas_: its not tiling though :^)
15:21 Megaf compatibility between text editors is none
15:22 benrob0329 Megaf: text files work great
15:23 benrob0329 LaTeX too, and Markdown
15:23 Calinou Office 2016 is still terrible at opening ODF files
15:23 Calinou thanks Microsoft!
15:23 benrob0329 No problems with compatibility, Vim, Emacs, ee, Nano, Atom, Sublime
15:24 Megaf *compatibility between advanced text editors is none
15:24 Megaf *compatibility between advanced text editors is none
15:25 Megaf better?
15:25 Megaf pure text doesnt matter
15:25 Megaf but even so in pure text theres still problems, like end of line things and tabulation
15:25 benrob0329 I guarantee you that neither Emacs nor Vim are basic
15:25 Megaf tabs are replaced by spaces
15:26 Megaf benrob0329, basic I mean, text caracteres only, no tables, formating, fonts or anything else
15:26 benrob0329 Thats editor config, and who uses tabs outside of code?
15:26 Megaf I do...
15:26 Megaf tab is amazing to justify
15:26 Megaf you dont have a ruler in vim or emacs
15:27 Megaf again, they are basic because no formating at all
15:27 Megaf latex and markdown are not editors,
15:27 benrob0329 You would be amazed
15:28 benrob0329 Wrong, actually
15:28 Megaf and every site/software has its own flavour of markdown
15:28 benrob0329 Emacs for sure has formatting if configured
15:28 benrob0329 Vim can have formatting, but not as much because terminal
15:28 Megaf latex would be the only true standard. If only LibreOffice and Word supported it...
15:29 Megaf But again, we have ODT, ODF and OpenXML already, and again, every software interprets it in it's own way
15:29 benrob0329 LaTeX has some dedicated editors if you really dont want to learn it (which is the best way to write it)
15:29 Megaf like browsers do with HTML...
15:29 Megaf benrob0329, I dont want to lean a language to write text...
15:30 benrob0329 Ok, LaTeX and CommonMark are standard
15:30 Megaf a formating language that is
15:30 benrob0329 Megaf: you really don't know how LaTeX works, it really is nice for stuff
15:30 Megaf I want to make a nice CV, with cool formating, spaces and some tables. Bullet points and stuff
15:31 Megaf benrob0329, I know it doesnt work like "word"
15:31 benrob0329 https://youtu.be/lQ-UCI9nmis
15:32 Megaf and actually LibreOffice Writer is the only editor I found that is 100% compatible with my workflow
15:32 Megaf the only one I can select multiple words and line everywhere in the document at the same time by using the ctrl key,
15:34 Megaf Stupid presentation...
15:34 * Megaf has ADHD, I dont have brain for that shit
15:34 * Megaf hits l key like crazy, still couldnt skit the introduction
15:35 Calinou some guy at my university writes his notes using LaTeX
15:35 Calinou I admire him :P
15:35 Calinou he also uses Linux
15:35 Calinou (a few people use Linux, all with GNOME for some reason)
15:35 Megaf none in my class use Linux, just me, and some use macOS
15:36 Calinou :(
15:36 Calinou I used to be the only Linux user at my previous uni too
15:36 Calinou this university is Linux-friendly, but my laptop isn't
15:36 Megaf benrob0329, the bibliography/refference thing is cool
15:37 Calinou I use LibreOffice for note taking here :P
15:37 rubenwardy <Calinou> some guy at my university writes his notes using LaTeX
15:37 Calinou </pleb>
15:37 rubenwardy heh
15:37 rubenwardy over half do that here
15:37 Calinou whoa
15:37 rubenwardy it's encouraged by the uni, there's even lectures in first year on it
15:37 Calinou honestly, the level at my university isn't too high
15:37 rubenwardy you don't lose marks though
15:37 rubenwardy +if you don't use it
15:37 Megaf Calinou, I'm using Google Docs
15:37 Megaf pretty happy with it
15:37 Calinou I don't know LaTeX anyway
15:38 Megaf it just gets complicated with math formulas
15:38 Calinou I don't have enough interest in learning it
15:38 Calinou (I don't need to write complex math formulas)
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15:44 benrob0329 Calinou: LaTeX is very much not just for super complex stuff
15:44 Shara LaTeX is suggested for some modules on my course, but they expect you to teach yourself if you choose to use it. I found it easier to learn it than to worry about an alternative.
15:45 benrob0329 The point of it is that you write what the heck it is, and it figures out how the heck it'll look (in proper typeset form)
15:46 Shara In other words, I found LaTeX easier to learn than the effort of getting my scanner working (they accepted handwritten submissions)
15:48 benrob0329 It figures out table size, bibliographies, bullets, indentation, table of contents, page breaks, it'll format book chapters properly of you want, hyphenize words, etc, etc, etc
15:50 Megaf Changing topics, Skype in the near future will be just a web page in all platforms https://www.skype.com/en/insider/
15:50 benrob0329 Skype can go die
15:50 Megaf but this is not too bad, at least it will look the same and have the same function in all platforms
15:50 Megaf benrob0329, easy today that when you dont need it
15:50 Megaf and Skype is less bad than WhatsApp, WhatsApp must die
15:51 benrob0329 Megaf: I left Skype, I dropped it purposefully
15:51 Megaf Everybody should use Signal for SMS and IM and Telegram for WhatsApp
15:51 benrob0329 Matrix FTW
15:51 benrob0329 No, not telegram
15:52 Fixer i've noticed that Calinou posts too much stuff like I was registered here for more than 1 year...
15:52 Fixer here is my turn
15:52 benrob0329 Telegram...centralised and half way open sourcing for a non encrypted service
15:52 benrob0329 No thanks
15:52 Fixer i'm using same download manager for 12+ years, downloaded 640GB with it and going strong
15:52 Fixer 43000 files
15:53 Fixer also, flashgot is life
15:53 benrob0329 Never tried Signal, I've heard it's good, I've heard it's bad, I'm neutral
15:53 benrob0329 Fixer: youtube-dl
15:54 Megaf Here is youtube-dl and mpv couple for the win
15:54 Megaf works for all major adult websites
15:54 * Megaf LOLs
15:55 benrob0329 Megaf: *goes to high five*
15:55 benrob0329 \>adult
15:55 Megaf like, CNN, BBC, Business Insider
15:55 benrob0329 \>nope tf out
15:55 benrob0329 Mmmhhhmmm
15:56 benrob0329 But yeah, MPV is da best
15:56 Megaf 17:00, will cook lunch, brb soon
15:56 benrob0329 Especially if ffmpeg has SSL or http support, because then you can play YouTube links directly
15:57 benrob0329 I have found though, that the more I use computers, the less software I use
15:58 benrob0329 Like, I mostly use coreutuils for things I'd go find dedicated programs for
15:58 Fixer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xArtJY2zMrE
15:58 benrob0329 Like ripping DVDs
16:06 Megaf benrob0329, I use echo to write text files, cat to read them, curl and dd for a bunch of stuff
16:07 Megaf and mpv for all multimedia
16:08 Megaf just in college I need a true advanced text editor because I have to follow a lot of strict rules for the assignments
16:11 benrob0329 Megaf: i use vim for text editing, ranger if I need a full file manager, and I like to watch YouTube in the FrameBuffer :P
16:12 rubenwardy Megaf, WhatsApp is better than Telegram
16:12 rubenwardy it's encrypted by requirement, and allows typing on the computer
16:13 rubenwardy although shame that you require the phone to come on, ideally you would be able to transfer the private key to the computer
16:13 Fixer rubenwardy: waaat? you can;t type in telegram?
16:13 rubenwardy Telegram's Android app feels nicer to use though
16:13 benrob0329 \>centralized, propriety chat services
16:13 Fixer i only use skype very rarely
16:14 rubenwardy benrob0329, so is Telegram
16:14 rubenwardy its server is proprietary
16:14 benrob0329 I left those behind a while ago, Matrix FTW!
16:14 benrob0329 Yup
16:14 Fixer now those skype users moved to whatsup too, but i don't want to install that crap too, keeping skype
16:14 benrob0329 I left that behind too
16:14 benrob0329 The only one i'm stuck with is Facebook for the time being
16:14 rubenwardy most of my friends won't even leave messenger, let alone moving to a decentralised service
16:14 rubenwardy Fixer, Skype sucks :O
16:14 rubenwardy * :P
16:14 Megaf Best thing about telegram is that the web version works stand alone
16:15 rubenwardy slow and bloated
16:15 Megaf no need for phone
16:15 rubenwardy Megaf, no support for e2e encryption
16:15 Megaf but anyway, for me Google Talk, when it was XMPP, was perfect
16:15 Fixer rubenwardy: yeah yeah, i want to ditch all of that crap to smth better, that also does not wants my phone number and data
16:15 Megaf I used to use Pidgin and then Empathy for Google Talk and Facebook, using XMPP
16:15 benrob0329 And I can probably bridge FB Messenger to Matrix if I wanted to
16:15 Megaf supported file transfer, video calls and everything
16:16 Megaf Hangouts was pretty amazing too
16:16 benrob0329 Fixer: Matrix can use email or phone number, or nothing if you really want
16:16 Megaf Hangouts could send SMS, call landlines and was compatible with XMPP too
16:16 Megaf no they removed all nice features
16:16 Megaf and we have stupid Allo and Duo
16:16 Fixer rubenwardy: also, after trying to install that thing called VIBER, i now understand how to remove tooth via anal
16:16 benrob0329 Dunno the state of the pidgin plugin though
16:17 Fixer rubenwardy: never again
16:17 Fixer rubenwardy: install on PC
16:17 rubenwardy I prefer not to have any more chat programs installed
16:17 rubenwardy only IRC, and everything else in the browser
16:18 Fixer i was forced to find android shitphone, install vibershit there and them some shitcodes, and then install that shit to PC and then code then shitithfuckme Win95 install is better than this
16:18 Megaf rubenwardy, that's what I usually do...
16:18 Megaf I have whatsapp, signal, telegram, skype and hangouts in the browser
16:19 Megaf if I dont want to be bothered just close the browser and done
16:19 benrob0329 Megaf: that sentence hurt my soul
16:19 Fixer i can't imagine why those morons did it that way, but apparently i need to enjoy this somehow or I'm dinosaur, when eating through your anal became the norm?
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16:19 Fixer Megaf: lol
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16:19 Fixer loooooool
16:19 benrob0329 5 chat services, open all at once
16:20 Fixer remembAR when it was EMAIL/ICQ only?
16:20 benrob0329 I mean sure, I probably have an account on 20 of 'em but I only use one or two 99% of the time
16:20 Fixer i'm keeping skype only, i will not install any more of this spying shit
16:21 Fixer encryption is a joke, probably backdoored everywhere
16:21 benrob0329 Fixer: Matrix is thr future, we will bridge ALL TBE THINGS
16:21 Fixer benrob0329: even voice? and file transfer?
16:21 Krock please bridge voice with IRC
16:21 benrob0329 Its a thing
16:22 benrob0329 Voice is WebRTC, so it's possible nowadays
16:22 benrob0329 Jitsi meet links boi
16:22 Fixer Krock: that will be shitshow
16:23 benrob0329 And files post links to IRC
16:23 benrob0329 So...yeah
16:23 rubenwardy I'd imagine they'd just post a link to a livestream of the voice  to IRC
16:23 * Megaf remember back in the day, VoIP on KVIRC
16:23 Megaf and avatars
16:23 Megaf There's no need for anything else but IRC, really
16:24 benrob0329 Megaf: decentralization
16:24 benrob0329 And modern features
16:25 benrob0329 A strange psudo standard on top of IRC doesn't count
16:25 rubenwardy IRC is decentralised, technically
16:26 benrob0329 Ok, federation
16:26 rubenwardy although you still need a network to manage and list connections
16:26 rubenwardy iirc
16:26 Megaf Even on the same network, different IRC server sill working on a split
16:27 benrob0329 I can run my own matrix homeserver, and connect to rooms on matrix.org
16:27 Megaf benrob0329, decentralization, that is not good
16:27 Megaf I had a Diaspora account
16:27 Megaf with friends and stuff
16:27 Megaf and posts
16:27 Megaf the pod where I had my account is gone
16:27 Megaf with all my stuff
16:27 Megaf and account
16:27 benrob0329 Heck, at that point the room would go on even if matrix.org went down
16:28 Megaf benrob0329, and XMPP is the true decentralization
16:28 benrob0329 Just users on matrix.org would be offline
16:28 Megaf I had my XMPP server, and all XMPP server by design can talk between each other and you can add friends from one network to another
16:28 benrob0329 Megaf: XMPP is a mess
16:29 Fixer rubenwardy: today's messanging industry is shit show, mess of proprietary not interconnected walled crap
16:29 Megaf I had Google Talk friends added to my own server account
16:29 Krock Related xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1782/
16:29 benrob0329 Group chats are still centralised, too
16:29 Fixer can they just like agree on some standard and follow that?
16:29 benrob0329 Almost no clients support voip
16:29 benrob0329 Fixer: Matrix is bridging things and bringing walls down
16:30 Megaf Krock, that guy could be me
16:30 benrob0329 Its a standard, pretty simple one too
16:30 Krock Megaf, or me..
16:30 Fixer rubenwardy: most of it will probably die off with burst of current IT bubble
16:30 Megaf benrob0329, what about discord?
16:30 benrob0329 You can chat with curl if you really want
16:30 Fixer rubenwardy: not just messangers, but stuff like twitter
16:31 Fixer sound cloud, etc
16:31 Fixer and cloud in general
16:31 benrob0329 It can be bridged, its being done though its not the most mature atm
16:31 Fixer when prices will rise to skies
16:31 Megaf benrob0329, by the way, Matrix needs lots of money, https://matrix.org
16:31 Megaf if you like them so much, go there and give them money
16:31 Fixer look at photocrapet, it wants 400 usd/year for allowing posting image thumbnails on other sites, thats laughablew
16:32 Fixer or hosters that cost as much as 1TB HDD, but you will need to spend it each year
16:32 benrob0329 Megaf: I know, and they're getting lots of money
16:32 Fixer cloud storage*
16:33 benrob0329 There are a lot of things i'd like to donate to, Matrix is one of them
16:34 Calinou <benrob0329> Calinou: LaTeX is very much not just for super complex stuff
16:34 Calinou well, I've used LibreOffice math for high school :P
16:34 Calinou it worked well enough, even though the markup ended up being really dirty
16:34 benrob0329 Why lower yourself to dirty markup though?
16:42 Calinou benrob0329: I didn't need more, and had to use LibreOffice anyway for assignmentrs
16:42 Calinou -r
16:49 Megaf I dont know what to do with my CV now, WPS basically destroyed compatibility with word
16:54 Megaf lol, Google Docs opens it almost perfectly
16:56 Fixer Megaf: do your CV in pdf
17:00 Megaf The thing I submit is always PDF Fixer
17:00 Megaf But I like being able to have it everywhere and edit it everywhere
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17:05 Megaf I should just use git...
17:43 Calinou https://github.com/hacksalot/HackMyResume
17:43 Calinou this was nice, but it's not maintained anymore it seems
17:43 Calinou and I found it too limited
17:44 Megaf nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ6vWW9BEKU
17:46 benrob0329 Calinou: but LaTeX exports to almost every format known to man
17:47 Calinou not a lot of CVs made with LaTeX look good
17:47 Calinou (but it's probably due to LaTeX users being programmers for the most part, not artists or designers)
17:48 benrob0329 https://youtu.be/VjsX4tznW40
17:48 benrob0329 Also, http://pandoc.org
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20:17 Fixer "SmallJoker is working on a new one that uses raycast." (bows)
20:18 KaadmY https://twitter.com/Markymark665
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23:07 Natechip D:
23:14 Fixer problem?
23:30 Fixer holy ----, jt2 is expanded a looot with some amazing builds

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