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00:27 Jordach oh shit
00:27 Jordach http://news.mit.edu/2013/its-a-negative​-on-negative-absolute-temperatures-1220
00:27 Jordach we've gone below 0 Kelvin
00:28 Jordach -0.000......1 Kelvin
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00:33 octacian Jordach: So... Do you have a cactus model? I thought I saw you post a picture of one a while bacl...
00:33 octacian Just curios xD
00:33 octacian *curious
00:35 Jordach https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains​/blob/master/mods/core/blocks.lua#L648
00:35 Jordach :thinking:
00:44 octacian Jordach: heh, Didn't know you'd finally made that subgame available
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07:50 tenplus1 joined #minetest-hub
07:50 tenplus1 hi folks
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08:00 tenplus1 hi nrz
08:06 shivajiva hi ten
08:09 tenplus1 hi shiva
08:09 tenplus1 bit slow, nomming oatmeal :PPPPPPPPPP
08:09 tenplus1 how's things ?
08:19 shivajiva not bad, loads of work to get through today :)
08:20 tenplus1 busy tuesday ahead :P
08:29 Jordach tenplus1, scientists at MIT have gone below 0 Kelvin
08:29 Jordach http://news.mit.edu/2013/its-a-negative​-on-negative-absolute-temperatures-1220
08:30 tenplus1 division by 0 imminent
08:30 tenplus1 hi Jordach
08:31 Jordach division by 0 is possible
08:31 tenplus1 :PP NaN error imminent
08:31 Jordach sharing an object with 1 or 0 is 1
08:32 Jordach you can share x amount of objects with "nothing"
08:32 Jordach the thing is
08:32 Jordach you can't call 0 in division a literal 0
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08:33 tenplus1 hids
08:33 tenplus1 hi ds
08:33 Jordach because that 0 is still 1 as defined by it being an object
08:33 * tenplus1 still wants errors reporting line numbers for NaN
08:34 DS-minetest hi tenplus1
08:38 * tenplus1 is curious now
08:41 Jordach nerzhul, tell the core devs to respond with this https://genius.com/Copypasta-​navy-seal-copypasta-annotated
08:41 tenplus1 lololol
08:43 Shara Morning all
08:44 tenplus1 hi shara
08:44 DS-minetest moning Shara
08:55 tenplus1 not good
09:00 tenplus1 ehe
09:00 nerzhul [on]
09:03 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKi8HfcxEk
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10:19 tenplus1 hi CWz
10:19 CWz Hello sir 11
10:19 tenplus1 :PP
10:34 sfan5 i didn't even want to read that email but kwolekr had to use "reply all"
10:34 sfan5 > I'll pay up to $2,500 for conclusive identity information related to Red.
10:34 sfan5 nice meme
10:35 tenplus1 hi sfan
10:35 tenplus1 o.O
10:42 Stone-Talus sfan5, da hell XD
10:43 tenplus1 hi talus
10:46 Stone-Talus hello
11:05 * tenplus1 noms Katsu Curry
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11:06 tenplus1 wb ds
11:07 DS-minetest thanks tenplus1
11:09 Lord_Buckethead sfan5, do you reckon I he will be willing to say that in a legally binding way?
11:09 Lord_Buckethead s/I//
11:16 Lord_Buckethead hey I don't want no middle man
11:18 Lord_Buckethead yeah I say he is too broke to pay out
11:19 Lord_Buckethead if you don't go to work because someone on IRC hurt your feelings I don't think you can manage money well
11:20 Jordach liberals do that
11:20 Lord_Buckethead correction broke liberals do that
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11:24 tenplus1 hi DI3HARD139
11:30 DI3HARD139 Hello. Quick question. Is there any way to enable the debug terminal in the 0.4.16 build?
11:30 DI3HARD139 command prompt* in windows
11:31 sfan5 nope
11:31 sfan5 you need a new build
11:31 tenplus1 ?   no --debug option ?
11:31 sfan5 well in theory you can use edit some specific values in the .exe file
11:31 sfan5 tenplus1: windows does not allow you to open or close a terminal on demand
11:31 tenplus1 that suckes
11:32 sfan5 that also means: even if you run it in the terminal there will be no output
11:32 tenplus1 double sucks
11:32 DI3HARD139 dang. Keeps crashing upon joining servers. Only error I ever got was a memory access violation. Couldn't screen shot it as the UI was lagging too badly for snip to register the window
11:32 sfan5 a terminal windows rarely helps for crashes
11:32 tenplus1 using 0.4.16 stable  ?
11:34 DI3HARD139 indeed
11:34 tenplus1 how much faster is getnode in c++ as compared to lua ???
11:35 DI3HARD139 I should attempt to update OpenAL as I just installed a new sound card and had to reinstall the Daniel_K drivers associated with it.
11:35 sfan5 minetest will always use its "own" version of openal unless you delete the dll from the bin folder
11:36 DI3HARD139 odd. Wonder why it kept searching in Program Files on the older builds then.
11:36 DI3HARD139 #TheLifeofaWindowsUser
11:40 tenplus1 http://memes1.fjcdn.com/pictures/Let​+s+keep+the+internet+open+june+12th+​is+net+neutrality_b57c3d_6298687.jpg
11:44 DI3HARD139 Pretty much sums it up. 10/10
11:44 tenplus1 :P
11:44 DI3HARD139 I wonder if its related to my sound card. It only started after installing it. (SB X-FI Titanium)
11:45 tenplus1 you tried booting from a linux usb to test sound card ?
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11:45 tenplus1 hi fixer
11:46 DI3HARD139 Hello Fixer
11:46 Bobr2 hi all
11:46 tenplus1 'lo bob
11:47 shivajiva hey Bobr
11:47 Bobr2 hi shivajiva
11:47 Bobr2 hello tenplus1
11:47 DI3HARD139 and waddya know. It is OpenAL thats crashing. Now for why it is
11:47 Bobr2 and what do ya know everything is messed up these days
11:47 tenplus1 what's messed up ? apart from windows :D
11:48 Bobr2 most things and yep windows is for non independent people apparently
11:49 DI3HARD139 https://pastebin.com/vHwhFrDY
11:50 Bobr2 can i be a noob and ask how bad that is
11:50 DI3HARD139 That was Event Viewer's output. This is the WER dump https://pastebin.com/Jsvmfuqi
11:51 DI3HARD139 Incase anyone is curious
11:51 Bobr2 i am lol
11:52 Bobr2 oh yay errors!!!!
11:52 Bobr2 dont ya just love em
11:53 tenplus1 if you rename C:\Users\Owner\Desktop\minetest​-0.4.15-win64\bin\OpenAL32.dll and add .bak then run, would it work ?
11:53 Bobr2 how bad is a fatal error
11:54 Bobr2 virtual void* ServerThread::run(): A fatal error occured: String too long for serializeString
11:55 DI3HARD139 checking
11:56 DI3HARD139 Working :)
11:56 tenplus1 :P
11:56 Bobr2 thats why creative never worked
11:58 DI3HARD139 That is usually fixed by using an old version of 'creative'. It's one of the few mods that I NEVER update
11:58 DI3HARD139 rather haven't been able to :P
11:58 Bobr2 are we ok talking about our own servers here?
12:04 tenplus1 I dont see why not :D
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12:06 tenplus1 hi atorian37
12:07 DI3HARD139 Hello atorian
12:07 atorian37 hi all
12:07 DI3HARD139 @tenplus1 Ready for an adventure? https://pastebin.com/8bqKTFyJ
12:07 Bobr2 hi
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12:08 tenplus1 hi nathan
12:08 Bobr2 hi Nathan
12:08 NathanS21 hi tenplus1
12:08 NathanS21 hi Bobr2
12:08 DI3HARD139 Hello Nathan
12:09 tenplus1 DI3HARD139: did you add your own mob ?
12:09 NathanS21 hi DI3HARD139
12:09 DI3HARD139 I did not. I've been observing a lot of errors on other updated mods as well. Could it be related to the time period that I re-compiled the dev build?
12:10 DI3HARD139 a lot of errors like this*
12:10 tenplus1 it shouldnt be...  checking function now
12:10 Bobr2 u wanna see alot of errors lol
12:11 tenplus1 DI3HARD139: what version of mobs redo api are you running btw ?
12:11 tenplus1 the lines do not match
12:12 DI3HARD139 I cloned the repos roughly 3 days ago. Lemme check
12:15 DI3HARD139 mobs_animal = commit ebc2e3a and mobs_redo = 18b90da
12:23 tenplus1 testing sheep and cow... both eat grass ok and replace blocks... cant duplicate error
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12:24 tenplus1 hi RobbieF
12:24 RobbieF hen tenplus1 how are ya
12:24 Bobr2 hello RobbieF
12:24 RobbieF heya bobr2
12:24 tenplus1 not bad, you ?
12:24 RobbieF doing great my man!
12:25 RobbieF can I bounce an idea off you, not needing an answer in a rush, but just for something to chew on?
12:25 tenplus1 whassat
12:27 RobbieF well, we had corium grief.
12:27 RobbieF So, my reaction was of course, disable corium (comment it out in tecnic)
12:27 RobbieF but we have legit players who need it.
12:27 tenplus1 what is corium ?
12:27 RobbieF So I was wondering how it could be tied to a priv, but using a mod rather than editing technic's core
12:28 RobbieF corium is a nuclear waste product I believe, in technic. Can be very (!!) destructive. Like a lava that removes blocks where it flows
12:28 Shara RobbieF: My original spill code I gave you way back did tie it to a priv
12:28 NathanS21 just override the node
12:28 RobbieF seriously shara?!
12:28 Shara Yes. I still don't know what broke that
12:28 RobbieF It must not have worked.
12:28 Shara It did work
12:29 tenplus1 inside technic.conf you can set:  enable_corium_griefing = "false",
12:29 RobbieF did as in, at one point - but I mean, recently
12:29 Shara But you added or changed something later that it didn't work with
12:29 RobbieF with the grief
12:29 Shara I should probably rewrite the whole thing, now that I have more of a clue what I'm doing
12:29 tenplus1 that way you can still use it but no griefing
12:29 RobbieF Will review that setting, thanks tenplus1. I am certain it is set, but still happens
12:29 RobbieF Well it gives me a place to look, Shara
12:30 tenplus1 bbl
12:30 Shara RobbieF: do you want them able to place it, but it just do no damage, or not to be able to place it?
12:30 RobbieF seeya
12:30 RobbieF (tenplus1)
12:30 RobbieF Shara tbh I'd rather people who aren't permitted to just have 0 access to such dangerous material.
12:30 RobbieF no access to it whatsoever
12:31 Calinou hi RobbieF :)
12:31 RobbieF hey Calinou!
12:31 Shara RobbieF: can you email or PM me a list of exactly what your requirements are for use of liquids on whichever server this is?
12:31 RobbieF Shara, since I have spill on all the servers, I will review it and see if I can figure out why it stopped protecting against it... maybe they added some nodes or something
12:31 Shara Including which liquids in total we need to account for?
12:32 RobbieF Shara sure thing, thanks. Will have to give it closer thought - right now just something to chew on.
12:32 Bobr2 may i ask something
12:32 Shara Well, if you're still using my old code, the DL version is probably better
12:32 RobbieF (too busy today to look into the code)
12:32 RobbieF yes, I am still using it. Is a newer version on Github?
12:32 Bobr2 does spill protect against default:water_source
12:32 Bobr2 or buckets
12:32 Shara Bobr2: The version I have on DL protects from everything
12:33 Shara Or well, I let players collect water in buckets, but not lava
12:33 Shara you need a priv for collecting lava
12:33 Bobr2 oh for collecting as well
12:33 RobbieF It works very well for protecting against liquid grief.
12:34 Shara My original version removed buckets and protected against sources only, since I did that for my creative server
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13:10 Raven262 o/ lisac
13:11 lisac Hello Raven262
13:16 Calinou :D https://lut.im/5QR1ocICHD/2Tlbfoc6TIN86ioz.png
13:16 Bobr2 hi Calinou
13:16 Calinou best cookie bar I've seen
13:16 Calinou hi Bobr2
13:16 Bobr2 how are u
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13:21 Calinou Bobr2: mostly fine, but these days I'm tired due to my internship :(
13:21 Bobr2 hi octacian XD
13:21 octacian Hello Bobr2 :D
13:21 Bobr2 Calinou not good :(
13:26 Fixer *HF 2b2t beta 1.7.3 cracked server*
13:26 Bobr2 hi Fixer
13:26 Fixer 2b2t inspired*
13:26 Fixer hi
13:27 Bobr2 i like saying hi to people :D
13:27 Calinou Fixer: https://github.com/SirCmpwn/TrueCraft :P
13:27 Fixer nah
13:27 Calinou it apparently still is being worked on
13:27 Fixer Calinou: semi-dead
13:27 Calinou yeah
13:28 Calinou https://www.patreon.com/sircmpwn
13:28 Calinou lol, the reward titles
13:28 Calinou look
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13:32 Bobr2 lol hi again octacian_ :D
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13:33 octacian ...hey Bobr2 :P
13:33 Bobr2 lol
13:44 DI3HARD139 How much trouble do ya'll think I could get in from Running Minetest inside bash on Windows 10
13:44 DI3HARD139 ?
13:44 Bobr2 i dont know
13:44 Bobr2 try it :D
13:44 DI3HARD139 Working on it
13:45 Calinou DI3HARD139: graphical applications are "unsupported" by Microsoft in the WSL but they said they won't hinder it
13:45 Calinou so it can work, but probably without sound
13:45 Calinou not sure if you'll get 3D acceleration too
13:46 Calinou a server might work though...
13:46 DI3HARD139 No need for sound. Just gonna run a few servers from it if it works
13:46 DI3HARD139 Holy cr@p it works...
13:47 Bobr2 will i be able to do more stuff with it if u tranfere over to windows ten?
13:47 Bobr2 like with ssh
13:47 DI3HARD139 and the performance is beautiful *Sheds a tear*
13:47 * Bobr2 hands DI3HARD139 a tissue
13:49 DI3HARD139 One question though. What's this about? 2017-06-13 09:47:17: WARNING[Main]: /!\ You are using old player file backend. This backend is deprecated and will be removed in next release /!\
13:53 shivajiva player files and auth text are deprecated soon
13:53 shivajiva moved to sqlite
13:54 DI3HARD139 omfg finally! Those are a pain in the rear!
13:54 Bobr2 what are they?
13:54 * DI3HARD139 applauds the effort being put in to improve minetest's core and management
13:54 DI3HARD139 and is thankful*
13:55 Bobr2 laughing so much lol
13:55 DI3HARD139 @Bobr2 Remember the mysql_auth mod?
13:55 shivajiva decentralised backend for player inventories and auth for login as a series of separate files Bobr
13:55 Bobr2 DI3HARD139 yep with privs and that
13:56 DI3HARD139 It replaces the auth.txt file and places them in a MySQL database. Basically what the .txt to sqlite3 conversion is for
13:56 Bobr2 ah ok
13:56 DI3HARD139 It improves reliability and error tolerance
13:57 DI3HARD139 The difference here is instead of having 50k .txt files they will be databases which is easier on i/o
13:57 benrob0329 Hello
13:57 DI3HARD139 Hello benrob
13:58 benrob0329 Whats up?
13:58 Bobr2 the sky XD
13:59 DI3HARD139 Uhh.... Im not gonna provide an answer for that
13:59 DI3HARD139 lol
14:00 DI3HARD139 but in all seriousness. Nothin much. Just trying to find ways to get IRC to work on Windows
14:00 benrob0329 Answer: set your phone in a windowsill
14:01 DI3HARD139 Computer Monitor*
14:01 DI3HARD139 err TV
14:01 DI3HARD139 :P
14:02 DI3HARD139 But nah. I despise Linux (At least Ubuntu anyways) so Im attempting to move to Windows Server
14:03 shivajiva ew good luck
14:04 benrob0329 DI3HARD139: why do you despise it?
14:04 DI3HARD139 Buggy af and wayyyyyy too much typing
14:04 DI3HARD139 Though Im speaking about Ubuntu. Other flavors might not be as bad. Ill have to do some experimenting
14:04 benrob0329 Your telling me Windows is less buggy...
14:05 DI3HARD139 Yep
14:05 benrob0329 Hahahahaha
14:05 benrob0329 HAHAHA
14:05 benrob0329 ha
14:05 DI3HARD139 I've never had a single issue with Windows. then again. I don't program on Windows so that might be why
14:05 DI3HARD139 or do any app development
14:05 DI3HARD139 on it*
14:05 benrob0329 Lts or recent Ubuntu?
14:05 DI3HARD139 16.04.1 LTS
14:06 benrob0329 Try newest non LTS
14:06 benrob0329 Or try something like Fedora
14:07 DI3HARD139 The primary issue is I need the ability to have multiple rdp connection to the server to different accts and I don't feel like paying $124-$700USD for NoMachine
14:07 Fixer git-Bukkit-0.0.0
14:07 Fixer kek
14:07 DI3HARD139 VNC-RDP translation isn't exactly playing nice.
14:08 DI3HARD139 Playing MC fixer?
14:08 Fixer yeah
14:08 benrob0329 DI3HARD139: so like, multiple server daemons on different ports?
14:09 DI3HARD139 Ex. I currently use X2go and NoMachine so other users connect to the server on their own accts. This way they can manage their own worlds.
14:09 benrob0329 Ohh
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14:09 benrob0329 Rdp like remote desktop...now I see
14:09 Fixer beta 1.7.3 server
14:10 DI3HARD139 Most users use various Ubuntu flavors however tmanyo and I use Windows.
14:10 benrob0329 Did you try VNC? Rdp is somewhat scarce around linux
14:11 DI3HARD139 VNC doesn't seem to like wan connections for some reason.
14:11 benrob0329 Or SSH, users who *need* a GUI can use X11 over ssh
14:13 DI3HARD139 Im trying to avoid using SSH as the only connection source as I have fail2ban installed. Ill have to see about the vnc apps for windows. They probably have improved since I last tried them
14:13 benrob0329 https://superuser.com/questions/119792​/how-to-use-x11-forwarding-with-putty
14:14 benrob0329 SSH is really nice to have, as I can connect from just about anywhere (including my phone) and do anything
14:15 benrob0329 Every good server owner should know how to use the terminal, there is simply no way around it.
14:17 CWz DI3HARD139,  you use windows for server of minetest?
14:17 sfan5 if you are worried about fail2ban banning you why do you have it installed?
14:17 twoelk hehe, I know quite a few people who sqreem for help if they ever see a terminal window :-D
14:17 Bobr2 lol good point
14:17 Bobr2 he runs his server on linux
14:17 DI3HARD139 @CWz No. I currently use Ubuntu Server 16.04.1 LTS amd64
14:18 DI3HARD139 I would like to move to windows though
14:18 benrob0329 twoelk: send them to wikibooks :P
14:18 CWz good using windows for minetest server is suicide though
14:18 benrob0329 DI3HARD139: what exactly is so buggy?
14:19 benrob0329 Because I doubt its the system itself
14:19 twoelk I wonder wether sfan could whip up some statistics what OS the servers in the serverlist run on
14:19 DI3HARD139 random crashes that involve: sudo, x11, gnome, ssh, and thunar. Basically the core apps just crash randomly. Nothing is done to induce it other then just idling
14:19 cheapie Flaky HW?
14:20 benrob0329 DI3HARD139: something is very strange then
14:20 Bobr2 i am lol XD
14:20 DI3HARD139 I wish. Does it on 7 different systems. 5 on my end and 2 in the OVH datacenter
14:20 DI3HARD139 I currently only have 1 Dedicated server at OVH
14:20 benrob0329 Because that does NOT happen under normal circumstances
14:21 benrob0329 are they all installed from the same image?
14:21 DI3HARD139 I've tried Both Ubuntu Desktop and Server. as well as switching between xfce and gnome
14:21 DI3HARD139 No. different images
14:21 benrob0329 don't use GNOME on slow hardware
14:21 DI3HARD139 OVH uses a preconfigured image. I download from Ubuntu for my installs
14:21 Calinou http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6373973813.png
14:21 benrob0329 Use xfce of lxde
14:21 Calinou 4G+ connection at my uni, via USB tethering :D
14:21 CWz openbox
14:22 DI3HARD139 awesome Calinou
14:22 DI3HARD139 I wonder what mines at
14:22 benrob0329 DI3HARD139: do you verify your images?
14:22 DI3HARD139 Yep
14:22 * CWz wonders if fluxbb is still a thing
14:22 * benrob0329 thinks hard
14:22 benrob0329 Try fedora server
14:23 * CWz wishes he had a fedora
14:23 DI3HARD139 lol
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14:24 benrob0329 If it still happens, its probably hardware related, or you've uncovered a huge bug and should report it immediately
14:24 benrob0329 Random crashing is not normal, I assure you.
14:25 Bobr2 for my computer it is lolz
14:25 Calinou another speedtest (nPerf) reports 64 Mb/s down, 31 Mb/s up, 38 ms ping
14:25 Calinou :D
14:25 benrob0329 And seeing as how its on multiple programs, its somewhat low level
14:25 CWz best server os is... Ubuntu Server
14:25 benrob0329 Meh
14:25 CWz debain too out of date
14:25 Calinou my VPS is on Ubuntu Server 16.04, works fine
14:25 Calinou the software is out of date already on it, though
14:25 benrob0329 Fedora has a nice web interface
14:25 Calinou since it's from February 2016 at best
14:26 Calinou benrob0329: I don't need a web interface really, other than for monitoring, netdata does that really well on any distro
14:26 CWz better than debian, software from 2001
14:26 CWz i think
14:26 benrob0329 But the big thing is mostly to see if its a bug with ubuntu
14:26 Calinou Jessie has software from November 2014 at best
14:26 Calinou and Stretch will have software from January 2017 at best (IIRC)
14:26 Calinou (it will be released next week, I think)
14:26 benrob0329 Gentoo ftw
14:27 benrob0329 Brb
14:27 CWz eh 2017 is Jurassic period
14:36 Calinou lol, DuckDuckGo
14:36 Calinou "Content checking has blocked some results for 'rbdoom 3 bfg'."
14:36 Calinou it blocks things all the time :D
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14:38 Calinou on another note, looks like Linux distro ISOs are becoming larger these days...
14:38 Calinou Manjaro KDE is like 2.1 GB, and Kubuntu 17.04 is 1.7 GB
14:41 Raven262 Thats cause its the KDE
14:42 Raven262 It has many... features
14:42 DI3HARD139 Talking about all these distro's is making me want to get back to installing OSX on my 2nd Thinkstation
14:42 shivajiva lol I like KDE
14:42 Calinou Raven262: it's my favorite desktop these days
14:42 Raven262 Many are against it.
14:42 Calinou I tried it last year, and found it better (even if slower) than Xfce
14:43 Raven262 I mean, I loved it the first time i tried it.
14:43 Raven262 But I found it to be too much system intensive for my PC.
14:44 Calinou what version did you try?
14:44 Calinou I started with Plasma 5.5 (or 5.6, I don't remember)
14:44 Calinou now we're on 5.10 IIRC
14:44 Calinou yep, 5.10.1 right now
14:44 Calinou the defaults are unfortunately not very sane
14:44 Raven262 I tried the one before the latest one
14:44 Raven262 I can't quited remember the number :P
14:45 Calinou it defaults to single-click-to-open, and the animations are too obnoxious (they're too slow)
14:45 Calinou so I 1) default to double-click-to-open, 2) make the animations faster
14:46 shivajiva 187 processes, cpu idles at 2% 2.9GiB used on mint KDE, browser and IRC client open
14:47 Calinou using 6.2 GB of RAM on Windows right now, but I have many things opened :P
14:47 shivajiva no fluff turned on
14:47 * DI3HARD139 is using 8% CPU usage, 6.1GB ram and 4% GPU atm with 8 tabs in chrome, IRC, Putty, NoMachine, X2go, Discord and a few others open
14:48 * DI3HARD139 is still in debate on installing those nvdimms or not
14:48 shivajiva 28 tabs open in browser lel
14:49 DI3HARD139 hmmm....... Imma try 50 facebook tabs
14:49 DI3HARD139 gonna create a .bat for that
14:51 Fixer f-ing FF goes into swap on 1GB win XP machine, WTF
14:51 benrob0329 DI3HARD139: Linux is about choice, so if you have 50 Linux users, they'll probably all use Ubuntu.
14:51 benrob0329 Fixer: WinXP???
14:52 benrob0329 Get gud m8
14:52 DI3HARD139 Meh. 50 facebook tabs = 9GB
14:52 shivajiva LOL
14:53 shivajiva that's a lot
14:53 DI3HARD139 I've done worse from deleting files from the Web crawler that I run once in awhile
14:54 Fixer Calinou: oh, truecraft is active again
14:55 DI3HARD139 "Minecraft for Hipsters" lmao
14:56 Calinou yep
14:56 Calinou I could not get it to run here, but it builds successfully using Mono
14:56 Fixer Calinou: in 100 years it will be ready
14:57 shivajiva FF with 28 tabs open in under 900 Mb memory over here
14:57 benrob0329 So what happens when they get it to be equal to MC beta?
15:08 Calinou benrob0329: a playerbase of 15 players enjoy the clone? :D
15:09 Calinou clones are nice, but when they're too late, they're too late...
15:09 Calinou (I'm not opposed to game cloning, contrarily to some other people)
15:15 DI3HARD139 neither am i
15:16 DI3HARD139 Quick question. What could cause: [11:15:02] <Plebs> 2017-06-13 17:07:29: ERROR[Server]: #1  MapBlock* ServerMap::loadBlock(v3s16)
15:16 DI3HARD139 [11:15:04] <Plebs> 2017-06-13 17:07:29: ERROR[Server]: #2  void ServerMap::loadBlock(std::__cxx11::string*, v3s16, MapSector*, bool)
15:17 DI3HARD139 Or what *could* rather
15:17 Bobr2 so mant errors
15:17 sfan5 the actual error is missing from the lines you pasted
15:19 DI3HARD139 Here's the full error https://pastebin.com/DAGr015D
15:21 sfan5 those backtraces are not useful at all o.O
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15:22 DI3HARD139 Apparently they are random. That's all it gave.
15:23 DI3HARD139 Ill attempt completing the update to 0.4.16 and see what happens.
15:23 Lord_Buckethead can you get a backtrace?
15:24 DI3HARD139 Ill throw it into gdp and see what happens
15:24 DI3HARD139 It'll take awhile though as its not immediate. It seems to take a few hours before it occurs
15:25 Lord_Buckethead huh
15:25 Bobr2 huh
15:25 Lord_Buckethead did you notice a pattern in what happens before the crash?
15:25 Lord_Buckethead apprate from time
15:26 DI3HARD139 From what I understand nothing outside the ordinary occurs. It just crashes out of nowhere. Apparently it started ~3days ago
15:27 Lord_Buckethead what version of minetest are you using again?
15:29 DI3HARD139 0.4.15 but it was compiled from the master repo on github ~1.5 months before 0.4.16 was released
15:29 DI3HARD139 correction. 3 weeks before it was released
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16:05 Bobr2 hi DS-minetest
16:05 DS-minetest hi Bobr2
16:06 DS-minetest Bobr2: are you 11?
16:06 Bobr2 no why?
16:06 DS-minetest normally it's tenplus1 that greets everyone on join
16:07 Bobr2 lol nah im 15
16:07 Lord_Buckethead !tell tenplus1 hi
16:07 ShadowBot Lord_Buckethead: O.K.
16:08 Lord_Buckethead just "O.K" ShadowBot?
16:08 Lord_Buckethead what insubordiation is this?
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16:41 Bobr2 hi Krock welcome back
16:41 Krock hello everypony
16:42 Krock return Krock.Away() > Time.Parse("10h") ? "Hello Krock" : "Welcome back";
16:42 Krock wb Bobr2  :P
16:42 Bobr2 thanks :)
16:44 cx384 hi
16:44 Bobr2 hi cx384
16:54 DI3HARD139 Hello Krock, DS-M and cx384
16:56 Krock hi cx384, DI3HARD139
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17:00 cx384 HI ALL
17:01 cx384 and DI3HARD139 and Krock!
17:31 lisac Hey newline in descriptions bug strikes again
17:42 Raven262 Yea!
17:43 Raven262 Wait, that was not a cause for celebration.
17:43 Raven262 Odd thing was that this time it shows different behavior
17:44 Raven262 instead of cropping the text like the last time, it now offsets the frame a bit lower than the text.
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18:47 lisac hey Lord_Buckethead, what do you think about https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5978 ?
18:48 Raven262 The question is not how it looks, lisac.
18:48 Raven262 The question is does it support our cause?
18:49 lisac Raven262, I could try and make them red by default
18:50 lisac but I'm sure that wouldn't get accepted :(
18:50 Lord_Buckethead the real question is how you managed to get it to need a rebase
18:51 lisac Lord_Buckethead, It's MAGIC!
18:51 lisac no idea
18:51 lisac but I could rebase it
18:51 lisac If I figure out how
18:53 lisac Lord_Buckethead, Doesn't it look better?
18:53 lisac or rather, cleaner?
18:53 lisac more like descriptions and less like actual tooltips
18:53 Lord_Buckethead i
18:54 Lord_Buckethead it looks nice
18:54 lisac do you think it'll get merged? :P
18:54 Lord_Buckethead eh maybe
18:54 lisac I hope so :)
18:59 shivajiva lisac: https://git-scm.com/book/en​/v2/Git-Branching-Rebasing
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19:11 Shara lisac: in the screenshot you give, where is the mous epointer actually positioned?
19:15 Lord_Buckethead ^
19:16 shivajiva ^^
19:27 lisac shivajiva, over the item slot
19:27 lisac it no longer matters where
19:27 lisac it's simply above it
19:27 lisac eg. tooltips no longer move depending upon the position of the cursor
19:29 Shara I don't really like the tooltip position to be honest. It says cobble but looks like it's above the torch.
19:30 lisac Shara, It is in the corner of the cobble's item slot
19:31 Shara Barely.
19:31 lisac it looks better once you try moving the mouse around
19:31 lisac I'll make a video
19:31 Amaz I prefer the current positioning of the tooltip
19:31 Shara I can visualise what you're saying, but I've never had an issue with the movement. I'd prefer it doesn't change.
19:32 Shara Tooltips underneath things seems much more ocmmon in general as well.
19:32 Shara common*
19:32 Amaz ^
19:37 lisac My idea is that the tooltips in Minetest aren't actually supposed to be tooltips
19:37 lisac but descriptions of the item
19:37 lisac ex. tooltips appear after some time
19:37 lisac and describe the tool/link/etc.
19:37 lisac but in MT, they should actually be more like item stats/name
19:38 Shara It really works fine as is for me.
19:39 lisac oh well, most stuff works fine, but I thought this makes it better
19:39 lisac maybe make it an option?
19:41 Shara Maybe see if others want it / if the devs would agree to that. I really wouldn't like it this way myself, but then I've had little things that didn't bother others drive me crazy in the game before, so I know how it can feel.
19:43 Shara Chat console being set to full screen pretty much made the game unplayable for me. It was lots of annoying compiling my own client until I realised I could just make a PR :P
19:45 lisac lol, I played a lot of World of Warcraft in the last few days, so the moving item descriptions really do bother me
19:45 * shivajiva doesn't understand why you wouldn't want the pleasure of compiling MT, I like to watch src build for some strange reason :P
19:46 Shara shivajiva: try it on windows :)
19:47 shivajiva erm why would I want to mess with that dogpile :D
19:47 Shara Well there you are then :D
19:48 Shara Give me some credit, at least I'm not running servers on it :P
19:48 shivajiva I'd like to see it with the stat's in lisac just to see the idea devlop
19:49 shivajiva +e
19:52 lisac shivajiva, I had this idea of item stats, like dig times for tools, written in the description
19:52 lisac in different colors
19:52 lisac like, 5.2s dig time for stone
19:52 lisac or, -2s dig time for stone
19:52 Shara Sounds like something that could be nice as a mod
19:53 lisac compared to the def. dig time
19:53 shivajiva thought it would be interesting :)
19:57 shivajiva as a server owner I like the idea of fine grained control over things though
19:59 lisac https://youtu.be/PjBN-kwyLz4
19:59 lisac ^ video of it
20:02 lisac shivajiva, In DOTA2, for example, every item and skill has clearly defined stats. So the player can easily calculate if an upgrade pays of, etc.
20:02 lisac ex. If a wooden pickaxe digs stone for 3.3seconds, and a stone pickaxe does that at 2.8s, the user can see the difference more clearly
20:03 Shara I can see the use of a mod like that, but it shouldn't be default.
20:03 Amaz ^
20:04 Shara Would be nice to be able to inspect tools in the inventory for info like that in some way as well, rather than have it in the tooltip
20:04 Amaz That's certainly mod territory. But it would be an awesome mod :D
20:04 shivajiva I know some players love that kind of info as it adds another dimension to the learning curve but I have to agree it should be a mod
20:04 Shara Yea. Actually could be a really good mod.
20:04 lisac hm, I'm not sure what is default to minetest.
20:05 lisac is minetest_game default?
20:05 Shara well, may as well think of it as such
20:05 lisac if so, should it be an actual game, or just a collection of examples for the engine?
20:05 Shara How do you mean?
20:06 lisac well, when you download minetest_game, should you be able to play it as a game in minetest engine, or should it just be a template for other games?
20:06 lisac should it have a gameplay, and style of it's own, or be a template?
20:07 Shara I'm not sure I understand. I thought we were just talking about a mod to get tool stats
20:07 Shara In theory, that could be made to work with any game
20:07 Calinou hi
20:08 Calinou I'm setting up my old laptop because I'm selling it, with the preinstalled Windows 10 on an HDD
20:08 Calinou the horror... i7, yet slow
20:08 Calinou so I'm removing preinstalled things, and installing updates (because it's at build 10240 right now)
20:08 Shara Hi Calinou
20:09 lisac Shara, I was thinking about such mod, but the current positioning of the item description looks quite bad when you add stats to it
20:10 lisac that is why I suggested making it a option. One defined in the item definition
20:10 lisac like, 'description_style'
20:10 lisac with 'floating' and 'top-left' as options.
20:11 Shara lisac: I don't think the item stats should go in the tooltip
20:11 Shara Regardless of position, it's going to get too large
20:12 Shara I'm wondering if you could have a way to inspect tools instead
20:16 Lord_Buckethead do you people like proofs of concept?
20:17 Lord_Buckethead https://github.com/red-001/minetest/pull/2
20:17 Lord_Buckethead !title
20:17 ShadowBot quick proof of concept for server mod sending. by red-001 · Pull Request #2 · red-001/minetest · GitHub
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20:21 lisac Shara: I am, once again, not sure if they should actually be tooltips
20:26 Shara Whatever name you call them, I don't think you should add that info there.
20:27 lisac why not? It is called 'description', right?
20:27 lisac How would you add inspect, anyways?
20:28 lisac a special button?
20:33 Amaz Maybe a special slot in the inventory?
20:33 Shara lisac: I'd prefer not to have large descriptions follow me round the inventory when I play.
20:34 * twoelk suddenly remembers the onscreen display of the scifi film robots such as the terminator
20:35 Shara I'd actually be quite happy with an option to turn whatever-you-want-to-call-thems off completely really :)
20:37 Shara There's probably more than one way you could do it as a mod though.
20:37 Shara Could be anything from adding an area on screen that the info would show in to just having it on a chat command.
20:39 lisac What about having a special place in the inventory screen which shows the stats of the item the mouse is currently over
20:42 Shara If you can get that working with a mod, it could be nice
20:44 shivajiva ^
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21:00 twoelk interesting - my mt just lost all internet access while being ona server while all non-mt internet connections are still alive
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21:36 Fixer *,,,,,*
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22:00 red-001 that nick was too confusing for people
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22:56 shivajiva any devs around to talk to plebs, he has an issue
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23:08 red-001 from what they are saying someone found a way to crash severs with the book without a modifed client
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23:25 * Jordach claps like a fucking seal
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23:26 red-001 ok
23:26 red-001 thats prefectly normal
23:27 Jordach fuckin hell
23:27 Jordach >zone.com
23:27 Jordach WHAT YEAR IS IT
23:28 bigfoot547 2017, Jordach
23:28 bigfoot547 :P
23:33 Jordach 16bit shit VS Windows 10
23:34 Jordach REEE
23:34 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/c1oqLyx.png
23:34 benrob0329 Dosbox ftw
23:35 * benrob0329 doesnt play any DOS games...
23:35 garywhite or VM
23:36 garywhite I use VPC 2007, used it on DOS & every Windows from 3.1-2000 except NT 4
23:36 Jordach https://winworldpc.com/product/windows-98
23:36 Jordach fuck this shit i'm out
23:36 garywhite Virtual PC FTW
23:36 Jordach may bung win98 on my fucking AMD A8 laptop for fun
23:37 Jordach because it's LIT AF
23:38 Fixer Jordach: LOL
23:38 Fixer Jordach: please contact...
23:38 Fixer Jordach: THEY ARE DEAD
23:38 Fixer also, fuck W10
23:39 bigfoot547 fuck windows
23:39 Fixer minetest_game as vibrant as ever
23:39 Fixer 2 notifications
23:40 rubenwardy I have 32 notifications in MTG
23:40 rubenwardy and 271 in MTE
23:40 * rubenwardy hasn't recovered from exams yet
23:41 Fixer !tell paramat get biome info
23:41 ShadowBot Fixer: O.K.
23:51 Jordach Fixer, http://i.imgur.com/d7T9XtW.png
23:51 kaeza Jordach, why not go native, and use 3.11?
23:52 Jordach software needs 98SE/ME
23:52 Jordach C U N T
23:52 Jordach i may install ME on my laptop for a fucking giggle
23:53 Jordach bonus points for working wifi
23:53 * kaeza has XP something installed
23:53 Jordach once that's done
23:53 Jordach i'll install flash
23:54 Jordach and watch some early 2000s shockwave flashes on newgrounds
23:54 kaeza even the name tells you it's a joke
23:54 kaeza Windows 😝
23:54 benrob0329 Windblows
23:54 Jordach the screenshots for ME on winworld are bluescreens
23:55 Fixer Jordach: gay, use WinNT 4
23:56 Fixer or 98se
23:56 kaeza 98SE was best Windows
23:56 Jordach Winamp 2.x
23:56 Jordach Shockwave Flash, Strongbad
23:57 kaeza Jordach, insall gahnoo
23:58 Fixer W98se + pirated office 2000 + winamp 2.x + opera + q1/2/3/doom/red alert/gtaIII/blahblah
23:59 Fixer Jordach: don't forget about 512mb mem limit
23:59 Fixer Jordach: there are workarounds iirc

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