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00:00 Fixer http://www.mdgx.com/upd98me.php
00:00 Fixer http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#98SE
00:01 Fixer http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/118097-day-to-​day-running-win-9xme-with-more-than-1-gib-ram/
00:10 garywhite I want to get you guys' opinion, I want to start a server to hold my school stuff, & I have an option to run either Windows 2000 or Ubuntu. Which is the better choice (I have all Windows PCs & the server would not be connected to the Internet). I also have WinXP Pro, but idk if that'd be the best for a file storage
00:11 bigfoot547 Ubuntu.
00:11 red-001 ubuntu
00:11 red-001 unless you like kinda sort of retro stuff
00:12 garywhite Well, the machine only has an 80GB HDD, so I don't want to try to install anything newer than XP cause of the sheer size of 7/8/10
00:12 red-001 well I suppose it could depend
00:13 red-001 if you need windows spesific stuff use windows 2000
00:15 garywhite what about XP Pro?
00:15 * Jordach just considers installing 2000
00:15 Jordach but i got ME running at 1024x768 with full acceleration without guest addons
00:19 garywhite I think I'll use XP Pro, since that way I can remote desktop in over the network if I want to
00:19 garywhite That with ClamWin & I should be set
00:20 Stone-Talus eww ClamWare
00:21 garywhite Well, I could install Norton from my ISP, but my dad can't get it to work on his XP tower
00:21 Stone-Talus EWWW NORTON
00:21 Stone-Talus EVEN WORSE
00:22 bigfoot547 Zonealarm is better.
00:22 bigfoot547 Has there ever been an antivirus for linux?
00:22 bigfoot547 Excluding mac
00:23 Stone-Talus bigfoot547, linux generally doesnt need it because of the amount of people, changes, and it being open to changes
00:23 red-001 bigfoot547, you forgot to exclude android
00:24 red-001 and mac isn't even linux it's some other unix
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00:54 benrob0329 OSX is Unix, with bits of the userland taken from FreeBSD
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01:44 Shara Yay. Back to my silly "things need to be written properly" PRs.
01:45 Shara I wonder how many ridiculously trivial things I find :)
01:57 * garywhite finishes installing Windows XP on his system & proceed to install...you guessed it...Office XP
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09:37 cx384 hi DS-minetest
09:37 DS-minetest hi
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11:05 Fixer garywhite: ubuntu*
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12:38 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/A5wG83y.jpg
12:41 * Jordach can hear the duck tales theme played on a kazoo
12:41 Jordach :thinking:
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13:00 Fixer PART FISH @ PART GIRL
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14:36 Bobr2 hiya all
14:37 shivajiva Hi Bobr
14:37 Bobr2 u ok shiva
14:38 shivajiva mhm
15:04 Bobr2 can any one recomend a good irc bot that is reliable please
15:05 nerzhul mybot
15:05 nerzhul :p
15:05 nerzhul (it's my CPP bot with lua bindings :p)
15:06 nerzhul (it can also connects to slack :p)
15:06 Bobr2 lol never learnt lua
15:06 nerzhul you cannot play minetest without lua :p
15:06 Bobr2 ;p
15:08 Bobr2 reason why i never learnt it is i dont have the attention to sit there and read everything i like people going through it with me XD
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15:19 lisac <Bobr2> reason why i never learnt it is i dont have the attention to sit there and read everything i like people going through it with me XD
15:20 lisac no need to, just figure out basic if/else, while, for loops
15:20 lisac and if you need anything more, you can just google it
15:20 Bobr2 ah ok :)
15:20 * lisac > Opeth - The Moor  - [ Still Life #1 ] - [ 02:57 / 11:25 ]
16:23 Bobr2 question what does onlyinfomessages mean
16:27 shivajiva it means it will only log events marked info in the general sense, logging usually has levels like error/debug/action/info
16:29 Bobr2 ah ok there might be a few questions if anything comes up lol
16:29 shivajiva I'm afk for a while shortly
16:29 Bobr2 ok
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17:13 Shara Hello all
17:13 Krock ty Bobr2
17:13 Krock hi Shara, everybody else
17:14 Shara Hi Krock :)
17:14 Bobr2 np
17:21 garywhite hello
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17:30 Bobr2 hi
17:32 red-001 oh hi paramat
17:32 red-001 is there a reason there isn't a limit on the size of the book or did someone forget to add one/it broke
17:38 paramat don't know :]
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17:39 Bobr2 i seem to find /memo serv much easier then a /msg
17:40 red-001 lol
17:40 red-001 how?
17:41 Bobr2 how to memo serv or how it easier
17:41 red-001 how it is easier
17:42 Bobr2 because if they go off line they get informed when they logon
17:46 twoelk books aren't limited? cool, wonder if the bible fits into a minetest book
17:49 benrob0329 Oh hey, you can order a US Linux layout from Unicomp
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18:03 Bobr2 red-001
18:04 red-001 yes?
18:04 Bobr2 we talking about xdecor or default books
18:04 red-001 eh default
18:04 Bobr2 okay thanks
18:05 red-001 but anything that stores stuiply large amounts of data in item metadata is at risk
18:06 red-001 and book mods have a bad habbit of doing that
18:06 Bobr2 think that could effect ownerhack:tool since that can change the meta data
18:06 twoelk nooo - lots of data in books can't be a bad habit
18:07 * twoelk looks at his shelves of books
18:07 Bobr2 lol
18:08 twoelk is default books data stored in the map blob? isn't that limited by design?
18:08 sfan5 metadata values are limited to 64k bytes by design
18:10 red-001 I have a feeling someone didn't tell that to whoever was working on dropped items
18:10 Bobr2 i actualy have an idea
18:11 Bobr2 make it so the book cannot be dropped out of the inventory
18:13 twoelk so when I die I keep my books but loose everything else?
18:13 twoelk if the server is set thus
18:13 Raven262 Sounds fun.
18:13 Bobr2 didnt think about that
18:13 rubenwardy nah, I don't like that
18:13 rubenwardy Really it would be good for the book's content to not be stored in the meta - but in a separate database
18:14 rubenwardy with reference counting
18:14 twoelk like the gutenberg mod or the wiki mod?
18:15 rubenwardy it would work exactly the same way to the user
18:15 rubenwardy but it would be more efficient (less copying) and safer (less chance of deleting)
18:15 rubenwardy ie, a moderator could recover a book
18:15 rubenwardy if they chose not to autodelete on reference = 0
18:19 Bobr2 =O = not good
18:20 red-001 you see that would be a good idea
18:20 red-001 there is more slight issue
18:20 red-001 one*
18:20 red-001 someone needs to implement it
18:22 Krock how come the gcc linker is so much faster than MSVC? It took up to three minutes to link all libraries/compiled sources and now on Linux it's like 10s
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18:22 * Krock = confused
18:22 Krock hi kaeza
18:22 kaeza hi tenplus1
18:22 kaeza oops
18:22 kaeza :P
18:22 kaeza heyo Krock
18:22 Krock kek
18:23 kaeza how's it going?
18:24 Krock just fine, thanks :)
18:24 Krock how about you?
18:25 Calinou hi
18:25 Krock o/ Calinou
18:25 Calinou I just got an email, I'm accepted into the university I wanted to continue my studies in :)
18:25 Bobr2 o/
18:25 Bobr2 well done
18:25 Krock wow nice, congrats.
18:25 Calinou now I need to get my degree at this university (ie. pass my internship)
18:25 kaeza Krock, fine I guess
18:26 Krock kaeza, "I guess"??
18:26 kaeza coding a blog/wiki/whatever in Python
18:26 Krock hssss sshsssss
18:27 kaeza going insane looking at those dangling code blocks with no end markers :(
18:27 Krock sounds interesting. Python alone won't be enough, so there's going to be a HTML page around it?
18:27 kaeza of course :P
18:27 Bobr2 thats one thing i can do HTML XD
18:28 Krock who knows... telnet webblog
18:28 kaeza that would be nice too
18:28 kaeza thanks for the idea :P
18:29 kaeza it's a monolithic Python script (well, monolithic as far as Python goes)
18:29 kaeza around 1000 lines of code
18:30 kaeza I will publish it someday. it is interesting learning what's going on under the hood
18:31 Krock well, if you're reaching 2000 lines you should consider to go away from this monolithic idea
18:31 Krock the overview is quite hard in so large files
18:32 nerzhul use django, and then paf a easy blog :p
18:32 kaeza meh, Django looked like too much cruft for my needs
18:33 Calinou "too much cruft"
18:33 kaeza and I'm more interested in the educational aspect more than "grab some blocks and do it"
18:33 Calinou inb4 ends up writing something as large as Django
18:33 Calinou people making frameworks are *likely* more experienced than you, I think you should trust them :P
18:33 Calinou it's often their job too
18:33 kaeza of course
18:34 nerzhul kaeza, it's interesting to understand a framework, but then you don't have tiem to maintain, there are security problems and you just need jekyll and django for your ruby/python usage
18:34 Bobr2 can any one suggest a good language to start learning coding with
18:35 kaeza nerzhul, I don't intend to submit this to facebook or something for production
18:35 red-001 eh literaly any simple language
18:35 rubenwardy sounds good, kaeza
18:35 Bobr2 such as?
18:35 rubenwardy Flask is awesome
18:35 nerzhul Bobr2, php is the best i think to learn
18:36 red-001 script lanaguages are so similar that learning one should make it easy enough to learn the other ones
18:36 rubenwardy nah
18:36 nerzhul Flask is very nice yes
18:36 rubenwardy don't learn PHP
18:36 kaeza ^
18:36 kaeza Lua or Python are good
18:36 nerzhul PHP is the most used langage with java, it's the advantage
18:36 red-001 depends on what you want to do
18:36 rubenwardy doesn't mean it's the best to start with, nerzhul
18:36 nerzhul Lua is not good to learn code because it has no object, in PHP you can do procedural and then go to POO
18:36 rubenwardy Bobr2, how old are you?
18:36 rubenwardy nerzhul, tables
18:36 Bobr2 15
18:36 kaeza I myself started with BASIC on a ZX Spectrum :P
18:36 rubenwardy hmmm
18:37 rubenwardy you're on the older end to learn scratch
18:37 rubenwardy I'd go with Python and/or C
18:37 red-001 ^
18:37 Bobr2 ill learn c
18:37 nerzhul rubenwardy, what, tables ?
18:37 red-001 or if that doesn't work out give javascript a shot
18:37 red-001 node.js is pretty useful
18:37 nerzhul C is not easy to start coding, it just shows you low level machine :p
18:37 nerzhul nodejs is crap for newbies
18:37 nerzhul callback is a specific coding
18:38 Bobr2 then flask?
18:38 rubenwardy nerzhul, it's good as a second language
18:38 red-001 nerzhul, I guess it might be
18:38 red-001 I only abused node.js
18:38 kaeza and it's good to know
18:38 rubenwardy like, it should be a language you learn as a beginner as it teaches you about the machine
18:38 kaeza sooner or later everything boils down to C[++]
18:38 rubenwardy ^
18:38 nerzhul rubenwardy, oh no, do JS in browser not on servers, nodejs is pure shit and is the worst high performance langage
18:39 rubenwardy *red-001
18:39 nerzhul nodejs servers under high load take too many time to do callback than runthem LOL
18:39 rubenwardy citation
18:39 rubenwardy also, node is clusterisable
18:39 nerzhul rubenwardy, tested myself in production
18:39 nerzhul lol
18:39 rubenwardy with clusters?
18:39 nerzhul every language is clusterisable, define what is a cluster ?
18:40 nerzhul when you bench an app in different languages you should have SAME SYSTEM and SAME ressources and test it on a SINGLE node
18:40 nerzhul nodejs is the most expensive technology in terms of infrastructure
18:40 Bobr2 ill try c++
18:40 rubenwardy no, Bobr2
18:40 rubenwardy don't do that as a starting language
18:40 kaeza ^
18:40 rubenwardy do C instead of C++
18:40 Bobr2 ok will do
18:40 rubenwardy C++ is a clusterf***
18:40 kaeza C++ is a cluster..
18:40 kaeza ..
18:41 nerzhul these days in web server in terms of performance if you have very good devs you have: python/ruby < nodejs < PHP 5 < PHP 7 < java < golang
18:41 nerzhul and cluster only means multiple nodes
18:41 Bobr2 and code academy?? good place to learn it
18:41 nerzhul if you make a app server clustered you just do the worst case app :p
18:41 kaeza rubenwardy, ha
18:41 nerzhul app should be stateless if you want to distribute your app
18:42 nerzhul (crew me, at work we have 35 java applications in production across 150 servers)
18:42 nerzhul we have legacy 10 years old monolith, younger two layer apps (front js + front web servce + back webserver) and now microservices
18:43 kaeza http://abstrusegoose.com/stri​ps/ars_longa_vita_brevis.png
18:43 kaeza ^ oblig
18:43 nerzhul https://www.reddit.com/r/programmin​g/comments/2jdnsb/nodejs_is_cancer/
18:43 nerzhul https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12338365
18:44 rubenwardy Controversial: I like JS as a language
18:44 nerzhul https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4495101
18:44 nerzhul JS is a good language for browsers and the worst langauge for servers
18:44 rubenwardy I prefer Python flask for more complicated backends though
18:44 nerzhul for personnal project i agree flask is nice
18:45 nerzhul for high performance without doubt: PHP 7.1, Java8, Golang or C++
18:45 nerzhul Java8 with a netty app server
18:45 rubenwardy I do PHP at work
18:45 nerzhul which version ?
18:45 rubenwardy it's not good
18:45 rubenwardy mixed
18:45 rubenwardy PHP5 mainly, newer ones are PHP7
18:45 nerzhul it's not good if you do shit and your server admin forget to configure the PHP VM
18:45 nerzhul nice
18:46 nerzhul do you use frameworks like symfony or silex ?
18:46 rubenwardy I mainly do Android though
18:46 rubenwardy Symfony
18:46 nerzhul nice
18:46 nerzhul silex is a very nice webservice thing, like flask
18:46 nerzhul and do you use doctrine and/or ORM ?
18:46 rubenwardy doctrine
18:49 nerzhul is APCu enabled on the web servers ? does PHP has sufficient memory ? is the database server correctly tuned (memory, indices, disks ?)
18:49 nerzhul is PHP running on a UNIX server, Windows ? uses PHP-FPM or apache ?
18:50 nerzhul APCu is a big performance enhancement if your code is tuned correctly, it's PHP bytecode
18:51 rubenwardy it's a centos computer, with apache
18:51 nerzhul it's more difficult to build maximum performance PHP app, as the language is very permissive and you can easily do real shit, unlike java or golang
18:51 rubenwardy s/computer/server/g
18:51 nerzhul okay :)
18:52 rubenwardy production and staging, anyway
18:52 rubenwardy for dev I use php-fpm
18:52 nerzhul yeah FPM is sufficient for dev heh :)
18:52 nerzhul and do you build your SQL queries or do you use doctrine ORM ?
18:52 rubenwardy and I doubt the memory is enough, each page is like 2 seconds to load on the server
18:52 nerzhul database loading is slow ?
18:52 rubenwardy when I say "production" I mean the client's database
18:52 nerzhul or is this disk problem ?
18:53 nerzhul don't forget database needs to be loved
18:53 rubenwardy like, staging is for internal testing, production for client testing
18:53 rubenwardy doctrine ORM as much as possible, but there isn't that much data
18:53 nerzhul then ORM is your problem
18:53 nerzhul like in every language
18:54 nerzhul ORM = OhRapemyMemory
18:54 rubenwardy ORM is unnoticable in Python/Flask and Javascript/Sequelize
18:54 nerzhul it depend on the dataset
18:54 nerzhul ORM caches are the worst case and will load many data you don't need
18:55 rubenwardy nah, the server's just awful
18:55 nerzhul also ORM = you don't know what query is sent to server
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18:55 nerzhul => is the query using database indices ?
18:55 nerzhul it's generally why ORM are bad: indices are not easy to track and you can do shit easily, you load more data than you need then memory usage is too huge
18:56 * Fixer .oO(Incorporeal Visions Deluxe - 詩 Desktop)
18:57 Calinou ORMs are fine to me
18:57 Calinou writing SQL by hand sucks
18:57 Calinou face it :P
18:58 rubenwardy for the size of the dataset, indices shouldn't matter
18:58 Calinou (and can end up being insecure)
18:58 rubenwardy like, a linear search would be unnoticable
18:58 Calinou most people aren't making Facebook
18:58 Calinou they're making tiny-scale sites
19:01 ircSparky can I butt in for a sec?
19:02 nerzhul Calinou, yeah i know many devs are like you, but at a moment when you have more than 10 row in your table (i talk about 1 million or more) ORM is just shit
19:02 kaeza ircSparky, no :)
19:02 ircSparky darn :P
19:02 kaeza heyo
19:02 nerzhul their intelligence trigger just high memory usage, server high useless loading times etc
19:02 shivajiva make a space for ircSpark's butt :)
19:02 Bobr2 hey sparky
19:04 nerzhul good dev = dev who care about where he interact, bad dev is dev who only thinks about his code, we had them at work, we fired them, they cost money by making infrastructure more expensive and they cost human money too because ORM problems trigger DBA and ops (i'm ops) time to find what shit they do with their ORM, then they cost too much :)
19:04 Fixer amazing https://virtuallyfun.superglobalme​gacorp.com/2017/06/14/hacking-flig​ht-simulator-4-multiple-monitors/
19:05 shivajiva nerzhul: nicely put
19:05 Calinou I'm wary of "anti-something" cliques in programming in general
19:05 Calinou it always hides something
19:06 kaeza except PHP
19:06 kaeza anti-PHP is fine
19:06 Calinou no, it's not :P
19:06 kaeza :P
19:06 nerzhul ORM hides shit, keep your shit in your PC and don't send it to prod just that :p
19:06 rubenwardy ORMs are good for update/insert, reduces copy+paste
19:06 nerzhul and always care about your database it's your friend
19:06 nerzhul ORM are shit for insert/updates :p
19:06 nerzhul if you mean with databases
19:06 rubenwardy a good dev writes maintainable code, and reduces work for themselves and others
19:07 shivajiva ^
19:08 nerzhul maintainable code which cost 5k per month is not maintable
19:08 nerzhul you can do maintainable code which good code design and function, orm just permit to do easily PoC
19:09 nerzhul and a good dev yes reduce work, but not by using ORM, just by adding unit tests, integration tests, comments and architecture docs
19:09 * Calinou uses Webpack at his internship now :D
19:09 Calinou but integrating obscure libraries (that aren't published to npm) with it is a mess :(
19:10 Calinou even jQuery doesn't feel very clean to use with
19:10 Calinou (it's fully supported though)
19:10 Calinou also, ESLint and Stylelint
19:10 rubenwardy for everything that doesn't have millions of users per day, ORM is a very good choice
19:10 nerzhul we are software editor since 12 years and we estimated ~10% infrastructure cost per year is lost due to ORM usage
19:10 nerzhul i have 20k users per day and only 200GB content databases
19:11 Calinou did you sue Doctrine developers? :D
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19:11 tenplus1 hi folks
19:11 nerzhul my infrastructure is 150 servers and costs 650k€ per year
19:11 nerzhul 10% are lost with ORM at least
19:11 shivajiva Hi ten :)
19:11 tenplus1 hi shiva, nrz :P
19:11 bigfoot547 Hi tenplus1
19:11 nerzhul that means 1 or 2 developpers or 65k redistributed as primes at the end of the year to the people
19:12 tenplus1 hi bigfoot
19:12 nerzhul (~2k per people, we are ~40 people in the software & ops team)
19:12 Bobr2 hello 11
19:13 tenplus1 hi bob
19:13 nerzhul and i estimated switching from java to go permits to reduce ~20% infrastructure costs too :p
19:13 Bobr2 got a new name for u 11minus2
19:13 kaeza hi tenplus1
19:13 rubenwardy how much is lost in dev time though?
19:13 tenplus1 hi kaeza
19:13 tenplus1 hi ruben :D
19:13 rubenwardy lol hi
19:13 tenplus1 lol bob
19:13 kaeza first!
19:13 Bobr2 that dont even make sense
19:13 nerzhul not many
19:14 nerzhul because we have a data team which help them to build their query and design the databases correctly
19:14 nerzhul (it's relatively recent)
19:15 nerzhul the data team design the content databases (we are software editor and provider for vehicles, our clients are PSA, Ford, Renault for example) we have big databases which contains all existing vehicles , pieces and documentations on how to repair each vehicle part on cars and trucks
19:16 nerzhul our users can buy those pieces we interact with distributors to know the prices and available amounts in their stocks, and do many complex things with our content and partneers :)
19:17 * tenplus1 is lost
19:17 nerzhul it's a complexe relational scheme, and ORM are not designed for that
19:17 kaeza tenplus1, I think you're there →
19:18 tenplus1 :P
19:18 nerzhul you have 3 tables and want to show a product fast, use it, you want to do high quality scalable product in production ? do it ourself :p
19:18 kaeza tenplus1, you even have a shiny '@' :P
19:18 tenplus1 oooooh shiny o.O
19:19 * Bobr2 is hungry
19:19 tenplus1 http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/e39973e3-tha​t-point-where-you-gave-up-being-subtle.jpg
19:20 Bobr2 and quite confused
19:20 kaeza Bobr2, you need some löve
19:21 kaeza http://love2d.org
19:21 Fixer YES
19:21 Fixer was googling just this
19:21 Fixer Mari0 and such
19:21 tenplus1 hi Fixer
19:21 Bobr2 lol
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19:21 Fixer hi
19:21 tenplus1 hi lisac
19:22 tenplus1 *bookmarked* :DDD
19:24 kaeza https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ySNDZVQ8sI
19:26 kaeza ^ that project sadly died with the HDD :((
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19:27 rubenwardy oh cool, kaeza
19:28 rubenwardy Do you have anything left of it? :(
19:28 kaeza zilch
19:28 rubenwardy I lost a 64GB USB with 10s of small games :/
19:28 rubenwardy I know back up everything using Git
19:28 rubenwardy *now
19:29 kaeza one does not simply think about backups...
19:29 kaeza until the inevitable happens :(
19:29 tenplus1 *cough*... back's everything up daily
19:33 Bobr2 cough cough doesnt know how to back up cough cough
19:33 rubenwardy Bobr2, what files do you have?
19:33 rubenwardy like, type
19:33 tenplus1 heh...   usb flash drive, copy any important files onto it :D
19:34 rubenwardy for code: git and private repo
19:34 bigfoot547 I don't have the money for a private repo...
19:34 Bobr2 idk i think DI3 does the backing up for my server cuz he hosts it
19:34 rubenwardy bigfoot547, are you a student per chance? ie: have a .ac.* address
19:34 rubenwardy bigfoot547, if not, there's bitbucket.org which gives it for free
19:35 bigfoot547 Ok
19:35 garywhite what do mobs horses eat?
19:35 rubenwardy for video/images/games: google photos / apple cloud / dropbox / external hdd / multiple of the above
19:35 tenplus1 wheat
19:35 tenplus1 and apples
19:35 garywhite ok, thanks 11
19:35 rubenwardy tenplus1, USB drives won't be very good if your house burns down
19:36 rubenwardy so redundancy is good
19:36 bigfoot547 I have an old external scsi 500 gb hdd with one bad sector.
19:36 bigfoot547 It makes a lot of noise
19:36 * tenplus1 always has flash drive in wallet :D
19:37 Bobr2 why?
19:37 tenplus1 back up files and keeps it close/safe
19:38 * Bobr2 doesnt know where his usb is XD
19:39 tenplus1 :p
19:39 tenplus1 in fact, I have a 16gb flash with Xubuntu 16.04 loaded and a 2nd partition with my files... that way I always have access to them also on any pc
19:40 Bobr2 or u could just use SSH
19:40 tenplus1 nah
19:40 tenplus1 dont like depenging on internet
19:41 * Bobr2 just relised the time
19:45 Jordach IT'S HIGH NOON
19:45 bigfoot547 Nooo, 2:45
19:45 tenplus1 hi Jordach
19:45 tenplus1 20:45 here
19:50 Bobr2 same 12
19:52 * Bobr2 was looking for his usb and found a golf ball
19:54 paramat game 1543 is merged, nerz suggests a better priv name, can anyone think of one?
19:54 Bobr2 priv nzmd
19:54 Bobr2 name for what if i may ask
19:54 tenplus1 hi paramount studious
19:55 tenplus1 :P
19:56 tenplus1 w00t, thanks
19:56 Shara Why should it need a better name?
19:56 tenplus1 creative priv is exactly what it is...
19:56 Shara Pretty much everyone knows exactly what it means as it is
19:56 tenplus1 giving access to creative inventory, unlimited 'creative' placement
19:57 Shara Any other name would likely be more confusing
19:57 tenplus1 agreed...
19:57 tenplus1 every player seems to know what creative means
19:58 Bobr2 i got a good name
19:58 Bobr2 yatop
19:58 tenplus1 lol
19:58 Bobr2 you are to op
19:58 Bobr2 or you are to over prived
20:02 bigfoot547 Bobr2, s/to/too
20:03 Bobr2 what does that mean
20:04 bigfoot547 It means replace to with too
20:04 Bobr2 ah lol
20:04 bigfoot547 Go onto ##forthenerds and see it actually work
20:05 Bobr2 im on there what do i do
20:05 bigfoot547 Type someting
20:06 Bobr2 ok
20:15 kaeza <rubenwardy> bigfoot_547, if not, there's bitbucket.org which gives it for free
20:15 kaeza nice, didn't know that
20:16 Bobr2 that bot is amazinf
20:16 Fuchs as does gitlab
20:16 Bobr2 hi Fuchs
20:16 Fuchs yes, hi
20:17 kaeza I was using private gists as backups :P
20:18 kaeza and Dropbox for heavier stuff
20:19 * Bobr2 might add a sopel bot in to AMHI
20:20 Fuchs I am using an external harddrive attached to my server for backups, and one external server for _really_ important backups  (family pictures I'd  care about if lost, gpg keys)
20:21 bigfoot547 Should I be using a hdd w/ a bad sector?
20:21 Bobr2 no dont think so
20:21 Fuchs I'd give it a smart test, mount it read only and do a backup
20:21 Fuchs then not use it for anything important
20:21 tenplus1 +
20:21 tenplus1 +1
20:22 Bobr2 9+10+221
20:22 Bobr2 21
20:22 tenplus1 unless you can pad the bad sectors
20:22 kaeza duct tape works?
20:22 tenplus1 lol
20:22 bigfoot547 What does padding entail?
20:23 Bobr2 i would suggest polystrine XD
20:23 tenplus1 if you know where the bad sectors lay you can re-create partitions avoiding that area
20:23 nerzhul bigfoot547, private repositories on gitlab.com are illimited
20:23 nerzhul only CI have limited time
20:24 Bobr2 what does the slang ngl mean
20:25 bigfoot547 Thanks nerzhul
20:26 paramat yeah i have no problem with the priv name
20:26 tenplus1 glad to hear :D
20:30 tenplus1 nite folks :PPPp
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21:52 red-001 oh neat minetest got updated in the arch repo
22:31 Fixer https://twitter.com/darkstockphotos
22:38 Fixer time to test some PRs / increases volume on *SECRETS OF MY AGE*
23:07 Fixer 300 fps in beta 1.7.3 -_
23:07 Fixer -
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23:20 VaultyTowers ITS RICHARD NIXON AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
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