| Time |
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| 00:22 |
benrob0329 |
Hi NathanS21 |
| 00:23 |
NathanS21 |
hi Benrob0329 |
| 00:23 |
DI3HARD139 |
Just gonna throw this out here. Were there any plans allow for teleporting between multiple worlds? |
| 00:23 |
DI3HARD139 |
Helllo NathanS |
| 00:23 |
DI3HARD139 |
-l |
| 00:24 |
NathanS21 |
hi Di3hard139 |
| 00:56 |
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| 01:30 |
TommyTreasure |
DI3HARD139, on the programming side (i'm not a programmer), its surely a possibility. but on the logistics side, its a nightmare |
| 01:31 |
TommyTreasure |
DI3HARD139, i've had experience with this sort of thing in the old fidonet door games. |
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DI3HARD139 |
How does one install libleveldb1? |
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| 03:16 |
benrob0329 |
hi kaeza, sniper338 |
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| 04:19 |
kaeza |
hello benrob0329 |
| 05:51 |
benrob0329 |
Can we please have client redirection by the server? |
| 05:51 |
benrob0329 |
Like, send the client off to another server |
| 05:51 |
benrob0329 |
Then we could have hub worlds |
| 05:54 |
cheapie |
benrob0329: That's only been asked about 497 times now :P |
| 05:54 |
benrob0329 |
cheapie: yes, I can't imagine why... |
| 05:55 |
cheapie |
benrob0329: If you can find a way to do it without making it an auth nightmare, then maybe... |
| 05:56 |
benrob0329 |
Send the current uname and password? |
| 05:56 |
benrob0329 |
If auth fails, make a popup box asking for the password |
| 05:56 |
benrob0329 |
(Really though, hub worlds would connect to private servers) |
| 05:58 |
cheapie |
I suppose maybe it could pop up a formspec saying something like "The server is requesting that you connect to <whatever>. Would you like to continue? [Yes] [No]", and then if the user clicks "yes", kick them back out to the "client" tab of the main menu with the address/port pre-filled. |
| 06:00 |
TommyTreasure |
may i throw a 'monkey wrench' in this for a sec. you can blow it off if you'd like. i won't be offended. :) |
| 06:01 |
benrob0329 |
#5813 |
| 06:02 |
benrob0329 |
cheapie: I don't like the idea of having to dump the player back to the online tab (yes its been renamed ^_^ ) |
| 06:02 |
benrob0329 |
TommyTreasure: sure |
| 06:02 |
benrob0329 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5813 |
| 06:02 |
benrob0329 |
Bottom comment |
| 06:02 |
TommyTreasure |
back in the old bbs days, it was easy. mainly because the game wasn't real time. what happens if one of the servers becomes inactive during the player transfer? |
| 06:03 |
TommyTreasure |
our game information was transferred via fidonet mail packets |
| 06:03 |
benrob0329 |
Then the client gets dumped back to hub or online? tab? |
| 06:03 |
benrob0329 |
-one of those ?s |
| 06:04 |
TommyTreasure |
another 'what if'. if the client loses connection during transfer? |
| 06:04 |
benrob0329 |
Same as any other server |
| 06:04 |
TommyTreasure |
i'm only thinking logistics, not the programming side |
| 06:05 |
benrob0329 |
were just transfering the client without manual intervention |
| 06:05 |
TommyTreasure |
yes, but the player would have to remember which server, he was on when he lost connection |
| 06:05 |
benrob0329 |
Not the whole auth nightmare |
| 06:05 |
benrob0329 |
Ok, so online tab is auto filled if connection fails |
| 06:06 |
TommyTreasure |
and, what if the different worlds were set up with different mods, or have had them customized |
| 06:06 |
benrob0329 |
why would that matter? This is just like connecting to any other server |
| 06:06 |
TommyTreasure |
enough of my monkey wrench. i actually think its a cool idea |
| 06:06 |
benrob0329 |
Literally, just send the client to the other server |
| 06:07 |
TommyTreasure |
like an autoconnect instead of quit and join manually? |
| 06:07 |
benrob0329 |
Yes |
| 06:07 |
TommyTreasure |
gotcha. going back to my dark corner |
| 06:07 |
benrob0329 |
The reason is, its dead simple |
| 06:08 |
benrob0329 |
No auth fiddling or fancy player inv transfer |
| 06:08 |
benrob0329 |
That can be handled via inter server communication of necessary |
| 06:08 |
benrob0329 |
*if |
| 06:10 |
TommyTreasure |
btw, this is the 'door game' i was talking about. notice the "requirements". lol http://www.johndaileysoftware.com/products/bbsdoors/barrenrealmselite/ |
| 06:11 |
benrob0329 |
Heh |
| 06:13 |
cheapie |
"Completely inter-BBS capable allowing you to compete with up to 254 other bulletin board systems." |
| 06:14 |
TommyTreasure |
my old bbs was one of those 254! lol |
| 06:16 |
TommyTreasure |
5 node ( HST modems ) 5 - 386/25 w 1/m, booting and running from floppy, with a lantastic network. 1 486/50 as server. lol |
| 06:24 |
benrob0329 |
Maybe instead of 3 off/on topic sections, we could have a "water cooler" or "break room" section |
| 06:25 |
benrob0329 |
Suggesting its for quality, non craposting content |
| 06:25 |
benrob0329 |
(With a games subssction) |
| 06:25 |
benrob0329 |
*subsection |
| 06:26 |
benrob0329 |
VanessaE, Calinou ? |
| 06:27 |
cheapie |
benrob0329: Then we'd have exactly the train wreck we had before, which doesn't seem very useful. |
| 06:27 |
benrob0329 |
Not necessarily |
| 06:28 |
benrob0329 |
Right now no one knows what to do, and as such we have craposting again |
| 06:28 |
benrob0329 |
Before it was a free for all |
| 06:28 |
cheapie |
*I* think that whole section of the forum just needs to be removed. |
| 06:28 |
benrob0329 |
And as such, craposting |
| 06:28 |
benrob0329 |
Forums become very boring if you can't have a place to relax |
| 06:28 |
benrob0329 |
(Note: not to crapost) |
| 06:28 |
cheapie |
(actually, I'd put the forums out of their misery, period, but that's just me) |
| 06:30 |
benrob0329 |
But showing that its for good quality offtopic posts is what makes a good cominuty |
| 06:30 |
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| 06:30 |
benrob0329 |
Honestly, the first place I check of every forum is offtopic |
| 06:30 |
benrob0329 |
It says a lot about the community |
| 06:37 |
benrob0329 |
Honestly, the whole forum needs a good cleanup |
| 06:37 |
benrob0329 |
Weeding out old, broken mods |
| 06:37 |
benrob0329 |
Shitposts, etc |
| 06:48 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 06:55 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: <@benrob0329> Maybe instead of 3 off/on topic sections, we could have a "water cooler" or "break room" section |
| 06:55 |
benrob0329 |
<@benrob0329> Suggesting its for quality, non craposting content |
| 06:55 |
benrob0329 |
<@benrob0329> (With a games subssction) |
| 06:57 |
Calinou |
how do you guarnatee shitposters won't invade it? |
| 06:59 |
benrob0329 |
Bans |
| 07:00 |
Calinou |
meh, have fun doing that |
| 07:00 |
benrob0329 |
I would :P |
| 07:00 |
benrob0329 |
There are lots of places I can suggest for shitposting |
| 07:00 |
benrob0329 |
I even moderate a few |
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| 09:21 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
| 09:37 |
tenplus1 |
Mobs Redo updated to 1.36 - death check - dropped items cooked if died in lava, fire or with lava pick :P |
| 09:41 |
* Raven262 |
hunts some mobs with his lava pick. |
| 09:41 |
tenplus1 |
lol, hi raven |
| 09:41 |
Raven262 |
Hello tenplus1 |
| 09:42 |
Raven262 |
Is lava pick from mobs redo? |
| 09:42 |
Raven262 |
Or is it a separate mod? |
| 09:42 |
tenplus1 |
it's part of mobs_monster |
| 09:42 |
Raven262 |
Ah. |
| 09:42 |
Raven262 |
Okay |
| 09:42 |
tenplus1 |
the lava flan drops the orbs and lets you make the pick :D |
| 09:42 |
Raven262 |
lol nice |
| 09:42 |
Raven262 |
If only mobs didn't lag that much in mt. |
| 09:42 |
tenplus1 |
but you can cook sheep/cows in lava/fire and they will drop cooked meats :D |
| 09:43 |
Raven262 |
Thats a bit scary right? |
| 09:43 |
Raven262 |
Oo |
| 09:43 |
tenplus1 |
lol yeah |
| 09:43 |
tenplus1 |
mobs arent that laggy, they run fine on Xanadu and that's a desktop pc running a full server |
| 09:44 |
Raven262 |
Really? I always thought mobs look odd in game cause of lag |
| 09:44 |
Raven262 |
Maybe its cause of my pc. |
| 09:44 |
tenplus1 |
what spec you running ? |
| 09:45 |
Raven262 |
But i doubt it, A8 APU runs many games fine. |
| 09:45 |
Raven262 |
And 8Gb ram |
| 09:45 |
tenplus1 |
3x types of lag... server, graphical, network.. |
| 09:45 |
Raven262 |
Well, since i tested it on my pc, network lag is surely not |
| 09:46 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe |
| 09:46 |
Raven262 |
Graphical i didn't notice |
| 09:47 |
Raven262 |
Its just the behavior of mobs that is strange, they usually like to... lag out from their movement path. |
| 09:47 |
Raven262 |
And with many mobs, other actions like killing them gets lagged. |
| 09:47 |
tenplus1 |
the api is light and the loop runs on a 1 second check so it doesnt stress server/game... the only realtime is falling/do_custom |
| 09:48 |
Raven262 |
Are carbone mobs based on this? |
| 09:49 |
tenplus1 |
lemmie check |
| 09:50 |
tenplus1 |
carbone is based on the older simple_mobs api which redo was built from and all the new effects and features added to |
| 09:51 |
Raven262 |
So the new one should lag less or more? |
| 09:51 |
tenplus1 |
they both use the 1 second loop :P |
| 09:51 |
Raven262 |
So same then. |
| 09:51 |
tenplus1 |
the only realtime is falling, attack and in redo do_custom |
| 09:52 |
tenplus1 |
I try to keep lag to a minimum but I may at some point redo the movement functions into their own timer and have it 0.5 instead of 1 sec |
| 09:53 |
Raven262 |
Yes, that would make their movement much more smooth |
| 09:53 |
* Raven262 |
is testing mobs_redo stuff and things. |
| 09:54 |
tenplus1 |
testing is good :) |
| 09:54 |
Raven262 |
Yeah thats why its Mine-test |
| 09:55 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe, redo api has many good features that have been submitted and added :P testing is essential |
| 10:01 |
Raven262 |
Accidentally tested something else, my skybox blends so good into the terrain: http://i.imgur.com/GIm6HFv.png |
| 10:02 |
tenplus1 |
lol, accidentally :P nice screenshot btw, looks kewl |
| 10:02 |
Raven262 |
I found a penguin xD |
| 10:02 |
Raven262 |
lol this is nice |
| 10:02 |
tenplus1 |
:) penguins can be tamed |
| 10:03 |
Raven262 |
How? |
| 10:03 |
* Raven262 |
must know |
| 10:03 |
Raven262 |
OO |
| 10:03 |
Raven262 |
Oo |
| 10:03 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 10:03 |
tenplus1 |
ethereal:fish_raw |
| 10:03 |
Raven262 |
Don't have ethereal :/ |
| 10:03 |
Raven262 |
... |
| 10:03 |
tenplus1 |
lemmie quickly google what else penguins eat |
| 10:04 |
tenplus1 |
sadly 90% fish diet and krill... |
| 10:04 |
Raven262 |
Need fish in default |
| 10:04 |
Raven262 |
Fishing mod would be nice... |
| 10:05 |
tenplus1 |
fishing in ethereal :P and a few separate fish mobs |
| 10:05 |
tenplus1 |
I suppose if we add the 'fish' group we could use any mod to tame them |
| 10:05 |
Raven262 |
I'll try this with ethereal then :D |
| 10:05 |
Raven262 |
Where do i find it? |
| 10:05 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/blert2112/mobs_water/blob/master/mobs_fish/init.lua |
| 10:06 |
tenplus1 |
water mobs add-on for mobs redo, adds fish... |
| 10:06 |
tenplus1 |
will have penguins tamed with these too |
| 10:06 |
Raven262 |
These work also? |
| 10:06 |
tenplus1 |
they will in a minute :) adding now |
| 10:07 |
Raven262 |
lol |
| 10:07 |
Raven262 |
:D |
| 10:10 |
Raven262 |
I also added sky mobs, more monsters and animals mods from that same author, to test the amount of lag (and to see them) |
| 10:11 |
tenplus1 |
k, mobs_animal updated... penguins can eat fish from mobs_fish mod also :D |
| 10:11 |
tenplus1 |
sky_mobs have birds that tend to spawn a lot, be careful with that one |
| 10:11 |
tenplus1 |
it's not the api that's lagging but the sheer amount of mobs other add-ons can spawn |
| 10:12 |
Raven262 |
OK, redownloading |
| 10:12 |
tenplus1 |
you can always change spawn levels in minetest.conf though e.g. mobs_animal:cow = 9000,1 <-- 1 cow per area, 1 in 9000 spawn |
| 10:13 |
Raven262 |
Ah, well that would be really useful if i made a server. |
| 10:14 |
tenplus1 |
if you set to =0 then the mob itself is disabled |
| 10:15 |
Raven262 |
Shouldn't the wolves be attacking me? xD |
| 10:15 |
tenplus1 |
which mod ? |
| 10:15 |
Raven262 |
Yes, it might be the other mod. |
| 10:15 |
Raven262 |
Now, how do i check... |
| 10:16 |
tenplus1 |
wolves on xanadu will attack on sight, usually in packs... other mob packs may have them set to 'npc' so you gotta hit them 1st for them to attack ya |
| 10:16 |
Raven262 |
Yes, this is that other mod |
| 10:16 |
Raven262 |
More animals or something |
| 10:16 |
tenplus1 |
checking |
| 10:17 |
tenplus1 |
weird... it's set to "animal" for the wolf... they wont attack unless you hit them first |
| 10:18 |
tenplus1 |
usually I'd change that to "monster" so they always attack and then you tame them into dog which is npc |
| 10:18 |
Raven262 |
But anyway, one can kill them with his bare hands |
| 10:18 |
Raven262 |
They are so though :O |
| 10:18 |
Raven262 |
xD |
| 10:18 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe... a good mod though :) I like that one |
| 10:19 |
Raven262 |
I like it. |
| 10:19 |
Raven262 |
Though now that i found the wolves, there are no more penguins, this seems odd. |
| 10:19 |
tenplus1 |
the models are from KPG mobs which is an oldie :P |
| 10:19 |
Raven262 |
I actually played that one sometime ago. |
| 10:20 |
tenplus1 |
:) kewl... I helped with the riding code in that one... mobs_horse on my git is the latest version of that... |
| 10:20 |
tenplus1 |
the better rat looks kewl |
| 10:20 |
Raven262 |
Wait, this mod asks for some riding lib or something |
| 10:20 |
Raven262 |
For riding the horses |
| 10:21 |
tenplus1 |
dont use that horse mod, instead use github.com/tenplus1/mob_horse |
| 10:21 |
tenplus1 |
it uses the built-in riding lib that comes with mobs redo... saves you having another mod |
| 10:22 |
Raven262 |
:D |
| 10:22 |
Raven262 |
NIce |
| 10:22 |
Raven262 |
testing it. |
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| 10:23 |
tenplus1 |
hi fixer |
| 10:26 |
Raven262 |
I now have a penguin. |
| 10:27 |
tenplus1 |
w00t! make a nametag and cname the lil guy :P |
| 10:27 |
Raven262 |
:D |
| 10:28 |
Raven262 |
He is now called pingus |
| 10:28 |
Raven262 |
Cause that name fits him best. |
| 10:28 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe, nice |
| 10:28 |
tenplus1 |
I'd call him "fish finger" |
| 10:28 |
Raven262 |
lol |
| 10:30 |
Raven262 |
The lava things are spawning fire on the snow. |
| 10:31 |
Raven262 |
I find this amusing, as paramat would say. |
| 10:31 |
tenplus1 |
lava flan ? |
| 10:31 |
tenplus1 |
the wibbly wobble lava monsters ? |
| 10:31 |
Raven262 |
lava slime |
| 10:31 |
Raven262 |
is that from your mod? |
| 10:31 |
tenplus1 |
ahh, those are fun :) they jump around and cause flame |
| 10:31 |
Raven262 |
Yes i saw them :D |
| 10:32 |
tenplus1 |
mobs_slimes prolly |
| 10:32 |
tenplus1 |
more monsters |
| 10:32 |
tenplus1 |
we have a cut back version on xanadu... green slimes(med and small) and lava slimes (small) |
| 10:32 |
Raven262 |
I think they fit really good in the game, in the lava caves to be precise. |
| 10:32 |
Raven262 |
Lava itself is not such an obstacle as they would be. |
| 10:32 |
tenplus1 |
true, especially with crystal armor giving fire/lava protection now |
| 10:33 |
tenplus1 |
and watercrystal helmet letting you breathe underwater |
| 10:34 |
* Raven262 |
has to check this server out. |
| 10:35 |
Raven262 |
Well, it seems no new players can join. |
| 10:35 |
tenplus1 |
hold on |
| 10:35 |
tenplus1 |
try now |
| 10:35 |
Raven262 |
Works :D |
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| 10:45 |
Raven262 |
Crashed. |
| 10:46 |
Raven262 |
tenplus1, when i tried to pick up the bones my client crashed. |
| 10:47 |
tenplus1 |
what client you using ? |
| 10:47 |
tenplus1 |
0.4.? |
| 10:47 |
Raven262 |
0.4.15-dev |
| 10:47 |
tenplus1 |
works ok here... ?!?! |
| 10:47 |
Raven262 |
Odd |
| 10:47 |
Raven262 |
I might have not updates in a few days though. |
| 11:00 |
tenplus1 |
afk |
| 11:04 |
tenplus1 |
Raven262: sprinting a lot depletes your stamina/hunger |
| 11:07 |
Raven262 |
Yes i have seen |
| 11:07 |
Raven262 |
I will be back later, have to make lunch and stuff. |
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| 11:07 |
tenplus1 |
enjoy :)) hi lisac |
| 11:08 |
lisac |
Hi tenplus1. |
| 11:08 |
lisac |
Hi Amaz. |
| 11:08 |
lisac |
Hi VaultyTowers. |
| 11:14 |
Stone-Talus |
hoy lisac |
| 11:18 |
red-002 |
lol why are you connected with two accounts? |
| 11:19 |
VaultyLappy |
my laptop and tower |
| 11:19 |
red-002 |
oh |
| 11:19 |
red-002 |
wait your ISP gives you a diffrent ip address for both? |
| 11:19 |
VaultyLappy |
shouldn't? |
| 11:20 |
red-002 |
nvm |
| 11:20 |
red-002 |
I read it wrong |
| 11:20 |
VaultyLappy |
lol |
| 11:26 |
VaultyTowers |
lol someone grifted an amd radeon graphics processor from our schools computer XD |
| 11:27 |
VaultyTowers |
that processor also found its way to me XD |
| 11:30 |
Sokomine |
tenplus1: sheep and cows are not for cooking. and lava flarns are too cute to kill |
| 11:31 |
tenplus1 |
lol, hi Sokomine |
| 11:32 |
Raven262 |
Thats odd |
| 11:32 |
* Raven262 |
has just been cooking some sheep |
| 11:33 |
* tenplus1 |
leaves the sheep to cook themselves :D |
| 11:34 |
* Raven262 |
finds tenplus1's idea very amusing. |
| 11:34 |
Raven262 |
:O |
| 11:35 |
tenplus1 |
but only if they are stupid enough to wander into fire or lava :D |
| 11:35 |
Raven262 |
They could in ethereal |
| 11:35 |
Raven262 |
In that lava thingy biome |
| 11:35 |
Raven262 |
The reddish one |
| 11:36 |
tenplus1 |
Fiery biome :P |
| 11:36 |
Raven262 |
Yes that one. |
| 11:37 |
* Sokomine |
puts fences in front of the lava so that the animals are safe |
| 11:37 |
tenplus1 |
the fire flowers are kinda deadly, but... are an essential ingredient to chili taco's in Xanadu :D |
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| 11:37 |
tenplus1 |
hi Krock |
| 11:37 |
Sokomine |
hi |
| 11:37 |
Krock |
what. apparently I can't read the userlist |
| 11:37 |
Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 11:38 |
Krock |
...but I was prepared :< |
| 11:38 |
Krock |
hi Sokomine |
| 11:38 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 11:43 |
red-arch |
hi Krock |
| 11:43 |
Krock |
hi red |
| 11:43 |
tenplus1 |
hi red |
| 11:43 |
Shara |
Hello all |
| 11:44 |
tenplus1 |
hi Shara |
| 11:44 |
Shara |
hi Ten :P |
| 11:50 |
VaultyTowers |
http://www.egmnow.com/all/gamestop-says-the-nintendo-switch-is-outperforming-even-the-wii/ |
| 11:52 |
tenplus1 |
shame that the switch dock is so crappy |
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tenplus1 |
hi storm |
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Raven262 |
Hello Shara |
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stormchaser3000 |
hi |
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tenplus1 |
hi nathan |
| 12:07 |
NathanS21 |
hi tenplus1 |
| 12:08 |
tenplus1 |
brb |
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tenplus1 |
back :P |
| 12:09 |
Shara |
:P |
| 12:09 |
tenplus1 |
oh yeah, Mobs Redo API has been updated to 1.36... new death check for cooking drops :D |
| 12:11 |
Shara |
I'm not updating anything at the mo. Too busy with studies :P |
| 12:11 |
tenplus1 |
ahh, busy busy :P |
| 12:12 |
Shara |
Well, I have apretty huge project to finish + exams |
| 12:12 |
Shara |
with in the next two weeks |
| 12:12 |
Shara |
It's why I'm not working on any of my mods right now either |
| 12:12 |
tenplus1 |
I dont blame ya |
| 12:12 |
Raven262 |
Not that mods > everything else. |
| 12:13 |
Shara |
But mods > making webpages about things I don't care about |
| 12:13 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 12:14 |
Fuchs |
good luck with exams |
| 12:14 |
Shara |
Thanks Fuchs :) |
| 12:14 |
tenplus1 |
hi Fuchs |
| 12:15 |
Fuchs |
yes, hello |
| 12:15 |
Shara |
Main problem I get is that I just study on the side., so even getting time off to go to the exams can be difficult. |
| 12:16 |
Shara |
But realised I'd been teaching myself all these things, so may as well get the piece of paper too :) |
| 12:16 |
tenplus1 |
:) |
| 12:18 |
Shara |
It's kind of sad that I think MT did more to make my code better so far than studying did :P |
| 12:20 |
tenplus1 |
it gave you a purpose in learning |
| 12:20 |
Shara |
I like that if I make something here, be it a mod or something I try get added to the game, I see people using it |
| 12:20 |
Shara |
Plus I can actually work with people on stuff |
| 12:21 |
Shara |
And... I realised I prefer both lua and C++ a lot more than any languages they actually teach for the course :P |
| 12:21 |
tenplus1 |
which languages do they teach? |
| 12:21 |
Shara |
It was mostly Java |
| 12:22 |
Shara |
But a little python this year too |
| 12:22 |
tenplus1 |
python is the new basic :) I like it for it's simplicity |
| 12:23 |
tenplus1 |
java I dont like tho... |
| 12:24 |
Shara |
I think I'd probably like python if I was doing anything real with it |
| 12:24 |
Shara |
But they are just using it for example mainly |
| 12:25 |
tenplus1 |
still better than what I got at college :P cobol and pascal :PPPPPP |
| 12:29 |
Shara |
hehehe |
| 12:29 |
Shara |
Got nothing at college |
| 12:30 |
Shara |
School left me thinking computing was stupid... since the height of challenge there was adding two things from spreadsheet fields. |
| 12:30 |
Shara |
I only started to realise there was more to it when I looked at open source games |
| 12:30 |
tenplus1 |
ahahaha, that is kinda lame :P they'll never instill the wonder of computing using a spreadsheet |
| 12:31 |
Shara |
I know. |
| 12:31 |
Shara |
I still remember the exam involved things like... showing you could change a font or insert a piece of clipart :( |
| 12:32 |
tenplus1 |
that's the sorta thing you get in beginners computing... how to use a mouse, type things etc. |
| 12:33 |
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| 12:33 |
tenplus1 |
hi shadow |
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| 12:33 |
tenplus1 |
hi WhoAreYou |
| 12:33 |
WhoAreYou |
Hello tenplus1 |
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| 12:36 |
tenplus1 |
hi DS-minetest |
| 12:36 |
DS-minetest |
hi |
| 12:38 |
Shara |
Hello WhoAreYou, DS-minetest :) |
| 12:39 |
Shara |
tenplus1: Yup. MAde it feel so uninteresting to me that I didn't look at computers properly again for years. I wish I'd had someone around to encourage me sooner |
| 12:42 |
tenplus1 |
this 'lil guy got me into programming in a big way: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5c1Yg1Nvhh8/UAmH8H-fffI/AAAAAAAAAZs/VrQhM_Qvads/s640/AMOSPro_V2_editor_pic2.png |
| 12:42 |
Shara |
:) |
| 12:43 |
Fixer |
*,..,* |
| 12:43 |
tenplus1 |
hi fixr |
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| 13:36 |
tenplus1 |
hi sniper |
| 13:37 |
Raven262 |
tenplus1, can you allow lisac to join the Xanadu? |
| 13:37 |
lisac |
:) yes please |
| 13:37 |
tenplus1 |
borders should be open already |
| 13:37 |
tenplus1 |
checking |
| 13:38 |
tenplus1 |
open |
| 13:38 |
tenplus1 |
damn serialize.h error again, cannot track where that one is coming from |
| 13:39 |
celeron55 |
#minetest-project is now set to forward to #minetest, for all that matters |
| 13:39 |
tenplus1 |
:PP |
| 13:40 |
red-arch |
neat |
| 13:40 |
VanessaE |
O_o |
| 13:41 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: careful, thou shalt bring the wrath of He Who Should Remain K-lined :P |
| 13:42 |
celeron55 |
the channel is dead, the only thing it can do anymore is confuse people |
| 13:42 |
VanessaE |
agreed |
| 13:42 |
celeron55 |
and there's enough wrath going on in any case |
| 13:42 |
VaultyTowers |
^ |
| 13:42 |
VanessaE |
but...but... he might start throwing spitballs! |
| 13:42 |
VanessaE |
:) |
| 13:42 |
celeron55 |
like, it hasn't even started lessening yet |
| 13:43 |
Krock |
VanessaE, lol. I just remembered of the Dark Lord in Harry Potter |
| 13:43 |
VanessaE |
Krock: heh yep, Abe made the same reference when I told him that ^^^ |
| 13:43 |
Krock |
the one whose name shouldn't be said |
| 13:44 |
red-arch |
damnatio memoriae much? |
| 13:44 |
Krock |
- Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited (#minetest-project) |
| 13:45 |
VaultyTowers |
intriguing |
| 13:45 |
Raven262 |
tenplus1, lisac also found that picking up the bones on Xanadu crashes the client. |
| 13:46 |
tenplus1 |
do you have an error message ? |
| 13:46 |
tenplus1 |
also is it a dropped item or actual node he's picking up ? |
| 13:46 |
Raven262 |
dropped item. |
| 13:47 |
Raven262 |
And it happened too when i tried to kill a chicken with its own meat. |
| 13:47 |
tenplus1 |
checking builtin and creative mods |
| 13:47 |
VaultyTowers |
i should just join his IRC to see what he says XDDD |
| 13:47 |
tenplus1 |
do you guys have mob security enabled ? |
| 13:47 |
Raven262 |
Mob security? |
| 13:47 |
Krock |
no, they're set to hostile here |
| 13:47 |
tenplus1 |
*mod |
| 13:47 |
Raven262 |
mod security? |
| 13:47 |
Krock |
oh |
| 13:47 |
lisac |
https://pastebin.com/T2Xzj5WN |
| 13:47 |
Raven262 |
lisac says we do have. |
| 13:47 |
VanessaE |
if you have mod security disabled, you need to enable it for your own sanity :P |
| 13:48 |
VaultyTowers |
lol |
| 13:48 |
lisac |
VanessaE, why? :P |
| 13:48 |
Krock |
lisac, what piece of old mod is that? |
| 13:48 |
* VaultyTowers |
is going to crack open a Dew-S-A |
| 13:48 |
VanessaE |
lisac: worldedit_gui. I don't think I need to explain further. :P |
| 13:49 |
Raven262 |
Mod security is enabled by default here. |
| 13:49 |
tenplus1 |
k, am picking up bones here ok... I dunno why you guys are crashing in client |
| 13:49 |
lisac |
tenplus1, What's your client's version? |
| 13:49 |
tenplus1 |
today's build |
| 13:49 |
Raven262 |
I'll update my minetest to the latest daily build. |
| 13:50 |
lisac |
tenplus1, One can buy tons of craft guides and fill free stuff chests with them |
| 13:51 |
Raven262 |
:D |
| 13:51 |
lisac |
:) |
| 13:51 |
red-arch |
since -project got redirected wouldn't it make sense to remove the logger from there? |
| 13:52 |
VanessaE |
probably. :P |
| 13:53 |
red-arch |
also couldn't it be set as secrect so it doesn't show up on the channel list? |
| 13:56 |
red-arch |
oh it is set to secrect |
| 13:56 |
red-arch |
but it still shows up on the channel list |
| 13:59 |
lisac |
hey tenplus1, you made mobs redo, right? |
| 14:00 |
tenplus1 |
I tend to it, yes :) but it started off as simple mobs with a big group effort ;D |
| 14:00 |
* Sokomine |
wonders what VaultyTowers is cracking open |
| 14:01 |
lisac |
Do you think it would be possible to modify it to work like WoW's mobs? |
| 14:01 |
Sokomine |
what do those do? |
| 14:01 |
lisac |
there is a fixed amount of mobs inside of an area |
| 14:01 |
tenplus1 |
that's how it works... it's all down to mob definition and spawn functions |
| 14:01 |
lisac |
if they leave their spawn radius, they return to their spawn positions and regenerate HP |
| 14:01 |
tenplus1 |
it counts mobs inside an area before spawning new one's |
| 14:02 |
lisac |
WoW also has a bit more RPG style combat |
| 14:02 |
lisac |
that would probably work well in MT |
| 14:02 |
tenplus1 |
so keep mobs within a certain radius of it's spawn point where it restores health ./ |
| 14:02 |
lisac |
because it ignores lag |
| 14:02 |
lisac |
yes. |
| 14:02 |
tenplus1 |
will look into it as a behaviour option |
| 14:03 |
lisac |
maybe even add a block you can place, around which 4-5 mobs spawn |
| 14:03 |
lisac |
of a single type |
| 14:03 |
Sokomine |
ah. and how does mobs_redo handle spawning? in sapiers animals modpack spawning used to be rather expensive for some time |
| 14:03 |
tenplus1 |
we have spawners included in api :) /giveme mobs:spawner |
| 14:04 |
tenplus1 |
spawning still uses abm's that can be tailored to run at a set time/chance and have conditions to be met before it spawns anything |
| 14:04 |
lisac |
tenplus1, I'll try to make the modifications myself and I'll make a pull request if I succeed |
| 14:04 |
tenplus1 |
ok |
| 14:04 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: you should add mob immunity against thrown objects at them |
| 14:05 |
tenplus1 |
that's already in ther efixer |
| 14:05 |
tenplus1 |
we have immune_to table |
| 14:05 |
tenplus1 |
which can set specific +/- health for certain items... also armor groups so that certain weapons dont work :D |
| 14:05 |
tenplus1 |
e.g. hit oerkki with wood sword, does nothing... hit with gold lump, heals health |
| 14:07 |
Raven262 |
tenplus1, Xanadu is basically made out of bamboo biome. |
| 14:08 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe, they are rather large... but that's down to the map seed that players chose :P |
| 14:08 |
Raven262 |
I was trying and trying to escape it for 15 minutes until i died eventually |
| 14:08 |
tenplus1 |
I did break up later bamboo biomes with poppy fields and swamps |
| 14:08 |
Raven262 |
I'm sad cause i can't eat bamboo. |
| 14:08 |
Shara |
I like bamboo biomes :) |
| 14:08 |
Raven262 |
And i don't find dying so amusing. |
| 14:08 |
Raven262 |
I like giant mushrooms. |
| 14:08 |
tenplus1 |
you can eat bamboo sprouts, but they take away health while healing hunger :D |
| 14:09 |
tenplus1 |
also the hearty stew has bamboo sprouts as ingredient (theyre ok when cooked) |
| 14:09 |
lisac |
Shara, Try finding a piece of wood there |
| 14:09 |
lisac |
you can't grow anything |
| 14:09 |
lisac |
you die out of starvation before you leave it |
| 14:09 |
Shara |
I actually built almost exclusively in bamboo biomes on Xanadu |
| 14:10 |
tenplus1 |
ppl tend to leave you alone inside bamboo biomes, and the bamboo can be crafted into many things inc. stairs/slabs :P |
| 14:10 |
Raven262 |
Well, most of the people do, guess why. |
| 14:10 |
Raven262 |
One does not simply escape an bamboo biome. |
| 14:10 |
tenplus1 |
heh |
| 14:10 |
Raven262 |
I need to make a meme |
| 14:10 |
Raven262 |
... |
| 14:10 |
* Shara |
also selected that biome intentionally :P |
| 14:11 |
Raven262 |
https://memegenerator.net/instance/78072135/one-does-not-simply-one-does-not-simply-escape-a-bamboo-biome |
| 14:12 |
tenplus1 |
ahahah, nice |
| 14:12 |
Raven262 |
There. |
| 14:12 |
Raven262 |
xD |
| 14:14 |
tenplus1 |
I was thinking at one point of making an Ethereal Lite mod... inserting the new biomes into the existing v7 mapgen one's |
| 14:16 |
Raven262 |
That would be nice. |
| 14:17 |
Sokomine |
hmm. which mob do i get now to navigate inside my houses? |
| 14:17 |
tenplus1 |
Igor's are handy |
| 14:17 |
* Shara |
wants more ridable mobs |
| 14:18 |
tenplus1 |
horse, elephant and dragon... that's not too shabby :P |
| 14:18 |
* Raven262 |
wants ridable dragons. |
| 14:18 |
Raven262 |
Ah. |
| 14:18 |
tenplus1 |
already happened raven :D |
| 14:18 |
* Zeno` |
rides Shara |
| 14:18 |
Zeno` |
oos |
| 14:18 |
Zeno` |
oops |
| 14:18 |
Zeno` |
misread |
| 14:18 |
* Raven262 |
wants ridable giant ravens. |
| 14:18 |
Shara |
>.> |
| 14:18 |
Sokomine |
tenplus1: can they navigate inside houses i've built? |
| 14:19 |
Shara |
DL has dragons |
| 14:19 |
Shara |
And giant bats |
| 14:19 |
Shara |
and elephants :) |
| 14:19 |
Shara |
But I still didn't find horses I like... or a good bird model to do some kind of giant bird |
| 14:20 |
tenplus1 |
you can try soko :P |
| 14:20 |
Raven262 |
xD |
| 14:20 |
Zeno` |
I used to be a bat |
| 14:20 |
Sokomine |
hmpf. that test-mob is stuck at the door.... |
| 14:20 |
Sokomine |
Shara: the horse models inside mobs redo are quite good. they're sufficiently small. larger animals break the sense of wonder |
| 14:21 |
Shara |
Sokomine: they just look ugly to me |
| 14:21 |
Shara |
Mostly the textures |
| 14:22 |
tenplus1 |
we DO need better textures for the horses though, the current one's are kinda crappy |
| 14:22 |
tenplus1 |
github.com/tenplus1/builtin_item updated... optimized water flow functions... |
| 14:23 |
Shara |
Things don't need to be big to look good |
| 14:23 |
Shara |
I'd love to tak ea few things from nssm though, but they are just huge |
| 14:23 |
tenplus1 |
amazing mobs but models are humungous |
| 14:24 |
Shara |
1MB + per model isn't acceptable to me |
| 14:24 |
tenplus1 |
got the mobs_fish models from 180kb down to 0kb |
| 14:24 |
Shara |
dmobs has some equally nice models, but much smaller, so it can certainly be done at a better size than nssm |
| 14:25 |
Sokomine |
hmm. this unhappy mob doesn't have much success in trying to follow me... |
| 14:25 |
Sokomine |
Shara: do a nicer model :-) |
| 14:25 |
Shara |
I don't do models :) |
| 14:26 |
Sokomine |
0kb? |
| 14:26 |
Sokomine |
Shara: too bad. i always need to convice people to do models and textures for me :-) |
| 14:26 |
tenplus1 |
yeah... converted from 2x .b3d files into upright_sprites using inventory image textures :) worked like a charm |
| 14:26 |
Sokomine |
vanessae has provided many already :-) |
| 14:27 |
Shara |
Textures I can do, but not models. |
| 14:27 |
tenplus1 |
http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/65dc3312-mamma-cat-spotted-carrying-her-young.jpg |
| 14:27 |
Shara |
:P |
| 14:28 |
* Zeno` |
looks at Sokomine |
| 14:28 |
Krock |
tenplus1, lovely |
| 14:29 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 14:29 |
Raven262 |
lol |
| 14:30 |
Zeno` |
Sokomine, do you like gummibärchen? |
| 14:30 |
Sokomine |
Zeno`: i do to some degree |
| 14:30 |
Sokomine |
i like lakritz even more |
| 14:31 |
Sokomine |
hmpf. seems i really need to get into mob pathfinding.... |
| 14:31 |
Zeno` |
no, no, I mean the cartoon |
| 14:31 |
tenplus1 |
mobs redo is a simple api, pathfinding only comes into play when a mob attacks, and only for those it's enabled for |
| 14:31 |
Shara |
Sokomine: seems we share tastes there :P |
| 14:32 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/tenplus1/mob_horse/blob/master/textures/mobs_horse.png |
| 14:32 |
Zeno` |
I only ask because of https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5822 |
| 14:33 |
Zeno` |
I have many worlds named gummibärchen and found the report unusual |
| 14:33 |
Wayward_One |
hi all :) |
| 14:34 |
tenplus1 |
hi wayward |
| 14:34 |
Shara |
Hi Wayward_One |
| 14:34 |
Zeno` |
Wayward_One also has a whole server called gummibärchen |
| 14:34 |
Raven262 |
Hello Wayward_One |
| 14:34 |
Sokomine |
Shara: :-) |
| 14:34 |
Zeno` |
lakritz would be a silly world name |
| 14:35 |
Wayward_One |
lol |
| 14:35 |
* Shara |
will now use it |
| 14:35 |
Sokomine |
tenplus1: i'm currently testing the working_villages mob again. after all it has the same goal as the mobs i'm looking for. it works reasonably well, but there are limits |
| 14:35 |
Sokomine |
Zeno`: never heared about such a cartoon. for me, they're just sweets for eating |
| 14:35 |
Shara |
Maybe it can be my new test world |
| 14:36 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 14:36 |
Zeno` |
Sokomine, you should have villagers like Skyrim with traders |
| 14:36 |
Sokomine |
Zeno`: i don't use umlaute for world names |
| 14:36 |
Zeno` |
err villages* |
| 14:36 |
Sokomine |
with all those sweets...be careful that your players won't eat up your world :-) |
| 14:37 |
Zeno` |
yeah, well, better that than nyan |
| 14:37 |
Sokomine |
oh, i do have traders. they just don't move around at all |
| 14:37 |
Zeno` |
the traders don't have to move, they just have to be in a village |
| 14:38 |
Zeno` |
perhaps behind the scenes there could be a world economy but that's not necessary |
| 14:38 |
Sokomine |
well, they are. install my mods (mg_villages plus mobf_trader) and they'll be there. their trades could be better...currently they sell most for material cost plus a bit more |
| 14:39 |
Sokomine |
most people expect villagers to move around. mine just stand holes into the carpet |
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| 14:39 |
tenplus1 |
mobs redo traders need a lotta work :PPPPP |
| 14:40 |
Zeno` |
nah, villagers should remain in the same place but trade with traders from other villages |
| 14:40 |
Zeno` |
so that stock is not generated magically |
| 14:41 |
Zeno` |
the traders themselves should not move though |
| 14:42 |
tenplus1 |
redo traders were setup to have limited random stocks and stand still, but will attack if you hit them first :PPP |
| 14:42 |
Sokomine |
all my villagers are technically traders. they tend to have a job - they "buy" the materials they need, they sell what they carft. though they don't really have a stock |
| 14:42 |
Zeno` |
they, imaginarily, should have assistants that imaginarily travel the world so that stock moves |
| 14:44 |
Zeno` |
that way every time you visit a trader you could potentially buy something that some other player sold either there or at another village |
| 14:44 |
Shara |
I'd like to see something like that |
| 14:44 |
tenplus1 |
a global trader list where swapped items come and go |
| 14:45 |
Shara |
but to be honest, don't even see players trading among themselves much |
| 14:45 |
Sokomine |
diffrent goal, zeno. my villages are mostly useful for singleplayer. if you've got multiplayer, you can just set up the traders so that they'll sell the player's goods. they're very very versatile in that regard |
| 14:45 |
Zeno` |
Shara, they do |
| 14:45 |
Zeno` |
Shara, just on your server I know people who have millions of mese lol |
| 14:45 |
Shara |
your server too :P |
| 14:45 |
Zeno` |
ok, on darklands |
| 14:46 |
Zeno` |
they really do get rich |
| 14:46 |
Shara |
It was the same on Xanadu though |
| 14:46 |
Zeno` |
if they were NPC then it could get interesting |
| 14:46 |
Shara |
Once you reach a certain point, you have everything you need really |
| 14:46 |
Shara |
and before that point, you don't have anything anyone else really needs |
| 14:47 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, which is good cause players tend to either build grand buildings or setup shop to sell to other players :D |
| 14:47 |
Zeno` |
yes, but if the traders are NPC the dynamics change |
| 14:47 |
Shara |
Zeno`: that's why I said I'd like to see it |
| 14:47 |
Shara |
But I do have some doubts about how well it would work at the same time |
| 14:48 |
Sokomine |
Zeno`: my traders are more like shops in that regard. they can either act as npc - byuing and selling what they need and crafted - or act for the player and offer whatever the player sells for whichever price |
| 14:48 |
Sokomine |
most servers are too small for a working economy |
| 14:52 |
Zeno` |
*shrug* |
| 14:53 |
Zeno` |
I think it'd be a cool thing to do |
| 14:53 |
Zeno` |
I'd do it myself but I dunno how to use Lua |
| 14:54 |
tenplus1 |
traders should be a separate mod cause it has a lot put into it... |
| 14:55 |
Raven262 |
testing ... ¹₂³₄âµâ‚†â·â‚ˆâ¹â‚₀¹¹â‚₂¹³â‚₄¹âµâ‚₆¹â·â‚₈¹â¹â‚‚₀²¹₂₂²³₂₄²âµâ‚‚₆²â·â‚‚₈²â¹30 |
| 14:55 |
lisac |
Sokomine, do you know why on most servers currency is worthless? |
| 14:55 |
Zeno` |
I don't suggest it should be a part of MTG (which I am disillusioned with anyway) |
| 14:55 |
Raven262 |
Cause people don't use it, lisac? |
| 14:55 |
tenplus1 |
no no... I meant separate from mobs mod... it's a different thing altogether :D |
| 14:56 |
lisac |
Raven262, Because there is an infinite amount of it |
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| 14:56 |
KaadmY |
How can you artificially raise the value of ingame currency? |
| 14:56 |
lisac |
it spawns |
| 14:56 |
tenplus1 |
hi Jordach |
| 14:56 |
lisac |
killing the economy. |
| 14:56 |
KaadmY |
The obvious way would be to make the goods they sell a lot rarer |
| 14:56 |
red-arch |
hi Jordach |
| 14:56 |
Raven262 |
Raise the value? Take it from the system. |
| 14:56 |
Raven262 |
*out of the system |
| 14:56 |
tenplus1 |
+1... traders sell cinnamon for ceratin food items which cannot be found anywhere else on map :D |
| 14:56 |
lisac |
Raven262, if you take too much, it becomes unpractical to operate with |
| 14:56 |
KaadmY |
In real life it works because you just CAN'T mine iron or gold yourself in any quantity to be useful |
| 14:56 |
Zeno` |
what I suggest is that what traders have to trade is whatever players will buy and for a price they will buy for. It's an interesting algorithm. It would also require prohibiting players setting up stores of their own, but *shrug* |
| 14:56 |
Jordach |
*ooga-chaka intensifies*] |
| 14:57 |
lisac |
Currency mods should have a limit on the amount, like 21 000 |
| 14:57 |
* KaadmY |
stares at Jordach's ooga-chaka |
| 14:57 |
lisac |
when there is 21 000 units of currency inside the world, stop making more of it |
| 14:57 |
Zeno` |
yes, items that cannot be found on the map is also a good thing |
| 14:57 |
Raven262 |
But |
| 14:57 |
Raven262 |
That makes leaks one really bad thing. |
| 14:57 |
Zeno` |
e.g. cinnamon might be a good example if it cannot be found naturally in the playing world |
| 14:58 |
Raven262 |
Like if a player takes some of the currency with him when he leaves the server forever. |
| 14:58 |
lisac |
Raven262, that would only increase the value of the remaining currency |
| 14:58 |
Zeno` |
currency leaks...see? it's getting interesting already |
| 14:59 |
Zeno` |
lisac, correct |
| 14:59 |
Raven262 |
I think the currency, whatever it may be should belong to the server itself. |
| 14:59 |
lisac |
if there is a huge need for more currency, you can print more of it. Decreasing the value of the rest of it |
| 14:59 |
Raven262 |
But that would break the "static amount" |
| 14:59 |
Zeno` |
this would not be an easy mod to create, but it'd be awesome |
| 14:59 |
lisac |
Raven262, it wouldn't. You still won't go over 21 000 |
| 14:59 |
Raven262 |
No, lisac. |
| 14:59 |
lisac |
it would be controlled input, though |
| 15:00 |
Raven262 |
It would require periodic recalculations of item's prices. |
| 15:00 |
lisac |
Zeno`, I actually made one. I haven't released it, though. |
| 15:00 |
lisac |
it's somewhere on my HDD. |
| 15:00 |
lisac |
Raven262, Do you think money isn't destroyed in Real life? |
| 15:00 |
Raven262 |
It is punishable by law, so rarely it is destroyed. |
| 15:01 |
red-arch |
depends on the reason |
| 15:01 |
lisac |
wow, did you ever hear anyone report someone else that he lost a couple of notes? |
| 15:01 |
NathanS21 |
Governments regularly destroy old money, but put new money in its place |
| 15:01 |
Raven262 |
No? |
| 15:01 |
NathanS21 |
often times putting in more than they take out. :P |
| 15:01 |
lisac |
'Hey, arrest that guy, he lost 5000RSD' |
| 15:01 |
Zeno` |
you could also make it not destroyable |
| 15:01 |
Raven262 |
lol rsd |
| 15:01 |
lisac |
NathanS21, And lower it's value |
| 15:01 |
Jordach |
do i hear economics in Minetest? |
| 15:01 |
Jordach |
:^))))) |
| 15:01 |
NathanS21 |
People also collect money, which effectively takes it out of the system. |
| 15:02 |
NathanS21 |
I have a collection of 2 dollar bills, that I don't spend |
| 15:02 |
NathanS21 |
so they might as well have been destroyed. |
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| 15:02 |
NathanS21 |
though at some point my children will probably sell them, or just cash them in at a bank |
| 15:02 |
Zeno` |
e.g. if a player leaves or is banned then their money is put back into the global pool. But we're not talking money here, just items (although the same would have to be done) |
| 15:02 |
tenplus1 |
hi kaeza |
| 15:02 |
Raven262 |
Sell them at a greater value :P |
| 15:02 |
kaeza |
greetings |
| 15:02 |
lisac |
Zeno`, If a player leaves, he also takes materials with him |
| 15:03 |
lisac |
in his chests, buildings, inv. |
| 15:03 |
Raven262 |
Wait |
| 15:03 |
Zeno` |
Raven262, no. Only NPCs are allowed to sell |
| 15:03 |
tenplus1 |
most servers have a monetary setup of some kind... either in item notes, gold lumps or the barter system |
| 15:03 |
lisac |
decreasing the resulting deflation. |
| 15:03 |
Raven262 |
no wasn't talking about that, Zeno` xD |
| 15:03 |
lisac |
Zeno`, Everyone should be allowed to buy and sell |
| 15:03 |
Zeno` |
nope |
| 15:03 |
lisac |
in order to avoid players making black markets |
| 15:03 |
lisac |
where they trade by dropping items between each other |
| 15:03 |
Zeno` |
for this experiment to be really interesting only NPCs should be allowed to |
| 15:04 |
Raven262 |
Wait, materials are constantly being added, which causes static money amount to gain value. |
| 15:04 |
Raven262 |
see the problem? |
| 15:04 |
Zeno` |
Raven262, that happens in real life as well |
| 15:04 |
lisac |
Raven262, I think you are missing the point. |
| 15:04 |
Raven262 |
Nope, lisac. |
| 15:04 |
lisac |
you could theoretically buy more cobble for a coin than you can if there's less cobble in the world. |
| 15:04 |
Zeno` |
Raven262, corporations or countries consistently "add" materials |
| 15:05 |
Raven262 |
Yes, and how do the economies deal with it, Zeno`? |
| 15:05 |
lisac |
but that is only, again, increasing the value of money |
| 15:05 |
lisac |
which we are trying to create |
| 15:05 |
lisac |
but keep money affordable at the same time |
| 15:05 |
lisac |
players need a reason to give their money to others. |
| 15:05 |
lisac |
why would I buy cobble, if I can dig it and keep my money? |
| 15:05 |
lisac |
or why would I buy anything at all? |
| 15:06 |
Shara |
That's the issue I hit on any server with currency |
| 15:06 |
lisac |
What we need, are Professions. |
| 15:06 |
lisac |
ability for players to specialize in certain trade. |
| 15:06 |
lisac |
for example, mining. Or smelting. |
| 15:06 |
Raven262 |
Yes, this is right. Eventually by selling eg. diamond blocks there would be lots of them, which would decrease their value to the eg. price of mese blocks. |
| 15:06 |
Shara |
I thought about that a lot, but they;ll end up specialising in everything anyway |
| 15:06 |
lisac |
which they can do cheaper and faster than other players. Giving us levels. |
| 15:06 |
lisac |
Shara, limit them to 2 professions at a time |
| 15:07 |
Shara |
Multiple characters |
| 15:07 |
lisac |
they need to unlearn the old ones before taking up new ones |
| 15:07 |
Raven262 |
... |
| 15:07 |
lisac |
yes, maybe so, but multiple accounts are already banned, right? |
| 15:07 |
Shara |
No |
| 15:07 |
Shara |
You can limit by IP address |
| 15:07 |
Zeno` |
lisac, how can you buy more cobble than is in the world if you can only buy cobble that people have sold? |
| 15:07 |
red-arch |
depends on the server |
| 15:07 |
Raven262 |
Asking the real questions here^ |
| 15:08 |
Shara |
But what does this do? Gives those with dynamic IP addresses a bit of an advantage |
| 15:08 |
Zeno` |
lisac, and then when people stop "selling" cobble then perhaps it's becoming rare? |
| 15:08 |
lisac |
Zeno`, point is, why would you buy cobble? |
| 15:08 |
Raven262 |
Cause you need to build something? |
| 15:08 |
Zeno` |
lisac, why wouldn't you at some point? |
| 15:08 |
lisac |
because there is no need to. I could stick to my money forever. |
| 15:08 |
lisac |
I don't have to buy food. |
| 15:08 |
lisac |
or shelter. |
| 15:08 |
Zeno` |
lisac, e.g. if nobody was selling cobble because everyone was selling gold then you'd buy cobble. right? |
| 15:09 |
Zeno` |
and trade it back for gold (if you needed that... it's just an example) |
| 15:09 |
lisac |
Nope, I don't think so. |
| 15:09 |
Raven262 |
No? |
| 15:09 |
Raven262 |
Then you missed the profit, lisac. |
| 15:09 |
Zeno` |
you would. It happens in real life every single second |
| 15:10 |
lisac |
Yes, Zeno`, because in real life there is a need for materials. |
| 15:10 |
lisac |
not in Minetest. Everyone can produce anything. |
| 15:10 |
lisac |
correct? |
| 15:10 |
lisac |
I don't need a specialized mining company to get gold. I can mine it myself. |
| 15:10 |
Zeno` |
technically so can everyone in real life |
| 15:10 |
* Raven262 |
goes mining some gold :O |
| 15:10 |
lisac |
Really, I don't think I know how to build nuclear reactors. |
| 15:10 |
lisac |
or mine gold. |
| 15:10 |
Zeno` |
I hate mining coal |
| 15:11 |
Zeno` |
I just don't do it |
| 15:11 |
lisac |
so, you'd buy coal? |
| 15:11 |
Zeno` |
The whole mod would be an experiment |
| 15:11 |
lisac |
a server, not a mod. |
| 15:11 |
Raven262 |
Wait, thats an interesting idea. |
| 15:11 |
Raven262 |
Lets test it on a server. |
| 15:11 |
lisac |
maybe allow some sort of guilds, too. |
| 15:11 |
Zeno` |
for sure. On servers that have people selling coal I never mine coal |
| 15:11 |
lisac |
where people selling/buying stuff can unite. |
| 15:11 |
Zeno` |
I just don't mine it at all |
| 15:12 |
lisac |
selling it at lower, affordable prices. |
| 15:12 |
Raven262 |
lol |
| 15:12 |
Shara |
I actually used coal as my base unit of stuff I asked for when selling |
| 15:12 |
lisac |
and buying it at lower prices. |
| 15:12 |
Shara |
Because I could never be bothered to mine it |
| 15:12 |
* Raven262 |
used diamonds |
| 15:12 |
Zeno` |
I don't care how much it costs I just buy it |
| 15:12 |
Zeno` |
same with mese |
| 15:12 |
Zeno` |
same with diamonds |
| 15:12 |
Shara |
I ran farms on Xanadu and sold food for coal |
| 15:12 |
Zeno` |
I'm not the only one who plays like this |
| 15:13 |
Shara |
(now I have more coal there than I can ever use and no motivation to do more... that's the trouble) |
| 15:13 |
Jordach |
you could go the arseface method and just set all the ores to be rare as fuck above -6k |
| 15:13 |
tenplus1 |
most players tailor there shops for what they need anyhoo |
| 15:13 |
Jordach |
*this is where the fun begins* |
| 15:13 |
tenplus1 |
which is why money isnt that imprtant if you can trade :D |
| 15:13 |
Zeno` |
tenplus1, yeah of course they do. That is why restricting shops to NPCs might be interesting |
| 15:14 |
Shara |
Then I switched shops to ask for mese, until I had more of that than I knew what to do with... |
| 15:14 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe |
| 15:14 |
Shara |
Then I realised there was nothing at all I needed that people might actually give |
| 15:14 |
tenplus1 |
nah, I wouldnt limit shops... it's too much fun having players setup their own :) gives them a sense of economy and growth |
| 15:14 |
Zeno` |
If all the "shops" have billions of mese then mese becomes worth less than cobble |
| 15:15 |
Zeno` |
even if it's rarer in the world |
| 15:15 |
lisac |
HEY, A BETTER IDEA! Let's just skip through the capitalist stage, and establish COMMUNISM! |
| 15:15 |
Raven262 |
:O |
| 15:15 |
Zeno` |
what happens then? |
| 15:15 |
Shara |
tenplus1: the other problem is you end up with laods of empty player shops and it's a nightmare for abuyer to find one with actual stock |
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| 15:15 |
lisac |
Hi paramat. |
| 15:15 |
Raven262 |
Greetings, paramat |
| 15:15 |
tenplus1 |
hi parama |
| 15:15 |
Raven262 |
xD |
| 15:15 |
Zeno` |
the transfer of wealth starts happening |
| 15:16 |
Zeno` |
so the cobble miners might become the "rich ones" |
| 15:16 |
tenplus1 |
true shara, but that's why we host wrecking crews on Xanadu so we can remove all of the limited/banned/old players items |
| 15:16 |
Zeno` |
then it kind of reverses again at some point |
| 15:16 |
Shara |
tenplus1: And that exact thing sort of puts me off building more there :P |
| 15:16 |
Raven262 |
Yes, it heals itself. |
| 15:17 |
tenplus1 |
and if the builds are really nice then I'll protect them or have someone take it over to live in :) |
| 15:17 |
Raven262 |
Wait, how does on "live in" a building? |
| 15:17 |
paramat |
hehe |
| 15:17 |
Raven262 |
Why is there a need for shelter? |
| 15:17 |
Shara |
Depends on the server |
| 15:17 |
Raven262 |
Yes, mobs, stuff |
| 15:18 |
tenplus1 |
there isnt really... but... how kewl would it be if we could get heat/humidity values in a position and expose players to harsh heat and cold conditions |
| 15:18 |
Shara |
When people show up on my creative asking for a house... the eye rolling begins. |
| 15:18 |
Raven262 |
But basically you can build a 3 x 3 x 3 block of stonebrick and be done. |
| 15:19 |
Raven262 |
lumidify had an interesting idea, he added sanity, which you lose in the dark and eventually die. It would recharge in light. |
| 15:19 |
lisac |
Raven262, I could life next to a torch |
| 15:19 |
Raven262 |
But that would be just one of the things |
| 15:19 |
tenplus1 |
like shara's darklands :D |
| 15:19 |
Shara |
Raven262: that's what DL does :) |
| 15:19 |
Raven262 |
Never saw that :O |
| 15:19 |
lisac |
or I could place torches wherever I go |
| 15:20 |
Shara |
lisac: Torches on DL also go out :) |
| 15:20 |
lisac |
Or I could place trapstones on the roads and trap people at night killing them with darkness |
| 15:20 |
tenplus1 |
but if you have Real Torch then the torches go out eventually and need relit |
| 15:20 |
Raven262 |
Oh, thats a nice idea. |
| 15:20 |
Zeno` |
someone mentioned a black market before where players trade with each other directly |
| 15:20 |
Zeno` |
personally I think that'd make things even more interesting |
| 15:20 |
lisac |
Zeno`, me! :P |
| 15:20 |
lisac |
Interesting? |
| 15:20 |
Zeno` |
yes |
| 15:20 |
lisac |
Are you saying you'd buy sub-quality food? |
| 15:20 |
* Raven262 |
goes to sell some illegal memes on black market. |
| 15:20 |
Raven262 |
:O |
| 15:21 |
lisac |
just because it's cheaper than trading with a stupid robot? |
| 15:21 |
lisac |
:) |
| 15:21 |
Shara |
There'd need to be some danger to getting caught :) |
| 15:21 |
Zeno` |
to see how it affects the "global" economy of NPC traders |
| 15:21 |
Raven262 |
Hey lisac, you are hurting robot's feelings :( |
| 15:21 |
lisac |
:( sorry poor robot |
| 15:22 |
Zeno` |
the NPC traders, if programmed correctly, would have to try and respond in some way |
| 15:22 |
lisac |
Zeno`, maybe we could have a sort of police |
| 15:22 |
lisac |
and a whisper system |
| 15:22 |
Zeno` |
"damage" is not necessarily the only approach |
| 15:22 |
tenplus1 |
I was gonna add theif mobs at one point to roam around at night, if they get near you it'll steal an item in your hotbar |
| 15:22 |
Raven262 |
xD |
| 15:22 |
lisac |
where players can talk to each other silently, without others hearing. |
| 15:22 |
Zeno` |
or both combined, yes |
| 15:22 |
Zeno` |
this is not impossible to do |
| 15:22 |
Raven262 |
How about add the ability for players to steal from each other? |
| 15:23 |
lisac |
tenplus1, Thiefs? More like brutal death machines. I don't think a thief would run into you and steal stuff directly. |
| 15:23 |
Zeno` |
Raven262, that would have no effect |
| 15:23 |
Raven262 |
:P |
| 15:23 |
Shara |
It would need to be a server set up specifically for this though I thikn, instead of just dropped into an existing server |
| 15:23 |
Shara |
think* |
| 15:23 |
Raven262 |
Yes, it would be minetest official trading system test - MOTST |
| 15:23 |
Zeno` |
I don't think you'd add it to an existing server |
| 15:23 |
lisac |
Yeah, maybe someone could start the mod, and host a server? |
| 15:24 |
Shara |
SOmeone needs to make the mod first |
| 15:24 |
Zeno` |
I will help if someone wants to write this mod |
| 15:24 |
Raven262 |
lisac can do it. |
| 15:24 |
Raven262 |
lisac can do it. |
| 15:24 |
Raven262 |
eh, lisac? |
| 15:24 |
* Shara |
will help if Zeno does it |
| 15:24 |
Zeno` |
I'll even add engine changes if necessary (but I don't think they will be) |
| 15:24 |
Shara |
But Zeno` should finish CRL first. |
| 15:25 |
lisac |
Possibly. I'll just assist the more experienced devs. |
| 15:25 |
Raven262 |
He'll do it then. |
| 15:25 |
Raven262 |
:D |
| 15:25 |
Zeno` |
CaevRealmsLite only needs some aliases added to it and then I'm finished with it and someone else can take it over |
| 15:25 |
lisac |
maybe make a new channel for this? so that we don't spam #-hub? |
| 15:25 |
Zeno` |
I'm not possessive |
| 15:26 |
Shara |
Zeno`: So abandon the plans we had then? |
| 15:26 |
lisac |
Also, some better name than MOTST? |
| 15:26 |
Raven262 |
lol |
| 15:26 |
Raven262 |
That was a joke lisac. |
| 15:26 |
Raven262 |
You need some sense of humor to get it. |
| 15:26 |
lisac |
:( |
| 15:26 |
Raven262 |
Get it? |
| 15:27 |
Zeno` |
Shara, I can't even remember them :D But if they're simple ones then of course not. But I am not possessive. If you want to be the maintainer of CRL then you can be. |
| 15:27 |
Shara |
I would just like it actually finished as we agreed. |
| 15:27 |
Zeno` |
My goal with CRL was to make a "lite" version of caverealms |
| 15:27 |
Zeno` |
ok, PM me... I forget which bits are missing hehehe |
| 15:28 |
Shara |
Silly Zeno :) |
| 15:28 |
Zeno` |
I achieved the main objective though |
| 15:30 |
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| 15:31 |
nerzhul |
!tell srifqi yes it will be done just before |
| 15:31 |
ShadowBot |
nerzhul: O.K. |
| 15:31 |
Dumbeldor |
!tell nerzhul test |
| 15:31 |
ShadowBot |
Dumbeldor: O.K. |
| 15:32 |
tenplus1 |
wb nrz |
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| 15:34 |
tenplus1 |
hi Jordach |
| 15:34 |
* Jordach |
fixed the wi-fi repeater on my laptop |
| 15:34 |
tenplus1 |
what was the issue ??? |
| 15:38 |
NathanS21 |
what logging level should I use to get print statements in my code to show in debug.txt |
| 15:38 |
lisac |
tenplus1, I'm guessing it wasn't working |
| 15:38 |
NathanS21 |
the menu isn't very clear on what the levels do, esp as the options doesn't even match what the examples show. |
| 15:39 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
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| 15:40 |
shivajiva |
NathanS21 use 'action' so it gets printed is probably easy way |
| 15:41 |
NathanS21 |
thanks, I'll try that. |
| 15:41 |
Krock |
NathanS21, "print" alone doesn't get logged. However, you could overwrite this function with minetest.log("[level]", ... |
| 15:41 |
Krock |
since it's overwritten by Minetest anyways |
| 15:42 |
NathanS21 |
Okay, thanks. I'll try that out too |
| 15:42 |
NathanS21 |
I've got a loop and want to figure out what is causing it, but I can't read the terminal fast enough, and nothing is saving to debug.txt |
| 15:42 |
NathanS21 |
:D |
| 15:43 |
shivajiva |
use minetest.log("action") as Krock said |
| 15:43 |
Krock |
+ the string to log, obviously |
| 15:43 |
NathanS21 |
yes :) |
| 15:44 |
NathanS21 |
I might open a bug report for the options in the menu, I'd think your options and the examples should match, so we don't have to guess which option is which. |
| 16:05 |
lisac |
maybe there should be a way to get keypresses in CSM? |
| 16:05 |
lisac |
for example, register_on_keypress(key_id) |
| 16:05 |
tenplus1 |
that would be handy |
| 16:06 |
lisac |
extremely handy. We could bind chat commands to keys. |
| 16:06 |
lisac |
as well as bind teleport commands to keys. Handy for admins |
| 16:06 |
lisac |
or bind things like 'Selling 20 stacks of cobble' |
| 16:39 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, thunderstorm... |
| 16:39 |
tenplus1 |
so much for good weather :D |
| 16:41 |
red-001 |
cheapie, I don't think that -project needs to be logged anyore, it was redirected to #minetest |
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| 16:45 |
tenplus1 |
hi Dargod |
| 16:48 |
paramat |
thunderstorm is good weather :] we had one too |
| 16:49 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, cleans the air :) plus it was too hot today :D |
| 16:49 |
* Wayward_One |
loves thunderstorms |
| 16:49 |
* Shara |
was about to type that |
| 16:49 |
tenplus1 |
ehehe |
| 16:49 |
Shara |
Well, no need to guess why I was up half of the night sitting at the window :) |
| 16:50 |
Wayward_One |
good for photography, as well as watching |
| 16:50 |
Wayward_One |
lol |
| 16:50 |
Shara |
my camera is kind of broken :( |
| 16:50 |
Shara |
So no photography here |
| 16:51 |
Wayward_One |
aww :( |
| 16:54 |
Shara |
Was going to buy a new one... but every time I am about to, something more important breaks :P |
| 16:55 |
tenplus1 |
havent used my camera in years... gotta save up for a holiday 1st :D ehehe |
| 16:56 |
* Shara |
needs to check flights for one! |
| 17:08 |
Raven262 |
tenplus1, can you help me on xanadu? I died at 7000 away from spawn and i kinda can't walk all the way back for all those stuff :P |
| 17:08 |
Raven262 |
It took me about an hour to get there |
| 17:08 |
Sokomine |
tenplus1: just give my traders a try....the only thing they can't do is walk around. they'll even take over your npc from mobs_redo if those still have the same interface |
| 17:09 |
tenplus1 |
lol, gotta use that /sethome :)0 lemmie connect... d you have coords ??? |
| 17:09 |
Raven262 |
yes |
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| 17:09 |
Sokomine |
lisac: that's right, currency on servers does not have much value. still, people love to collect it. it also makes exchanges of items easier |
| 17:09 |
tenplus1 |
type em here |
| 17:09 |
Raven262 |
-7222 3.5 -5.0 |
| 17:09 |
Raven262 |
there |
| 17:09 |
Raven262 |
i just somehow fell off a cliff |
| 17:09 |
Raven262 |
xD |
| 17:11 |
lumidify |
Raven262: (yes, I know I'm 2 hours late...) btw, the sanity I have is just the bewarethedark mod, except that I fixed a bug in it. |
| 17:11 |
tenplus1 |
will test 'em out Sokomine |
| 17:11 |
Raven262 |
:D |
| 17:12 |
Shara |
lumidify: which bug? |
| 17:12 |
Raven262 |
It was just an example, lumidify |
| 17:12 |
Shara |
Didn't think anyone else was seriously using that mod |
| 17:12 |
Raven262 |
Not that i consider it a perfect enemy for minetest. |
| 17:12 |
lumidify |
https://github.com/bendeutsch/minetest-bewarethedark/issues/2 |
| 17:13 |
Shara |
Hmm, can't say I experienced that |
| 17:13 |
lumidify |
I do want to modify it a bit to have "good" players in Lord of the Test lost sanity in the dark and "bad" players like orcs lose sanity in the light |
| 17:13 |
lumidify |
Did you use it on a server? |
| 17:14 |
Shara |
lumidify: It's running on Dark lands |
| 17:14 |
Shara |
Hmm, DL is now 222 days old. |
| 17:14 |
lumidify |
Weird, it didn't work for me and also doesn't seem to make sense unless I completely misunderstood the code (which is possible) |
| 17:15 |
Shara |
Would you mind checking if you get the issue on DL< when you have time? |
| 17:15 |
lumidify |
Well, it's very obvious - the eyes just don't show up anymore after you've joined the first time, so I'm pretty sure you didn't just miss it... |
| 17:16 |
Sokomine |
Shara: coalblocks are pretty nice for roads |
| 17:16 |
Shara |
Yea... and I haven't really edited anything in that mod |
| 17:16 |
Shara |
Sokomine: I don't really build roads :) |
| 17:16 |
* Shara |
has a WhoAreYou for roads |
| 17:17 |
red-001 |
sfan5, is there any need to log #minetest-project anymore? |
| 17:18 |
sfan5 |
red-001: no and it's removed from the config already |
| 17:18 |
sfan5 |
will take effect next time i reboot or restart the bot |
| 17:18 |
red-001 |
oh ok |
| 17:21 |
Sokomine |
skip that talking about stealing. that's not very helpful. neither mobs nor players should steal from other player's inventory. most servers are more reasonable and playable. if you absolutely want chaos go to an unmaintained abandoned chaotic server |
| 17:23 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 17:24 |
Sokomine |
Shara: that's convenient :-) |
| 17:24 |
lumidify |
Shara: on your server the issue doesn't seem to exist, but when I try it with the unmodified bewarethedark mod locally, it doesn't work. |
| 17:24 |
Shara |
Hmm, don't think my version is modified though |
| 17:25 |
lumidify |
Well then, I guess it's just magic. |
| 17:25 |
Shara |
It's one of the mods I keep wanting to really pick apart, because it feels messy, but I never found time |
| 17:41 |
VaultyTowers |
back |
| 17:43 |
tenplus1 |
wb |
| 17:43 |
VaultyTowers |
tanks |
| 17:51 |
tenplus1 |
Xanadu updated with new water flow tweaks and mob api death check for cooked items |
| 17:58 |
rubenwardy |
lisac, I was planning on making a capitism/economy based server when exams are over |
| 17:58 |
rubenwardy |
and exams are now over :) |
| 17:58 |
rubenwardy |
and true: most games suffer from super inflation due to uncapped input into the system |
| 17:59 |
rubenwardy |
ie: every kill gives you gold |
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| 17:59 |
tenplus1 |
wb Fuchs |
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| 18:01 |
red-001 |
what does $a mean? |
| 18:01 |
paramat |
thanks |
| 18:02 |
VanessaE |
apparently "all logged in users from this name" |
| 18:02 |
VanessaE |
I just copied what Zeno` wrote. |
| 18:02 |
sfan5 |
indeed |
| 18:05 |
Zeno` |
yeah I made a mistake |
| 18:06 |
Zeno` |
I only meant to ban logged in users of Grandolf |
| 18:06 |
Zeno` |
which is what VanessaE did |
| 18:07 |
red-001 |
but he is offline |
| 18:07 |
Zeno` |
doesn't matter |
| 18:07 |
red-001 |
is it all ips that use that nick in the future? |
| 18:07 |
Zeno` |
if they're registered nicks (or linked nicks) yes |
| 18:08 |
Zeno` |
I may have it wrong. But Fuchs can probably confirm |
| 18:09 |
VanessaE |
^^ Freenode needs a feature like what MT xban2 does |
| 18:09 |
Fuchs |
hm? |
| 18:09 |
VanessaE |
track but IP and nick, if one changes, auto-ban the new one |
| 18:09 |
VanessaE |
s/but/both/ |
| 18:09 |
Fuchs |
$a:foo bans everyone logged in to account foo |
| 18:09 |
Fuchs |
see /quote help extban for details, we also support more |
| 18:09 |
Zeno` |
yes |
| 18:09 |
Zeno` |
so anyone logged into Grandolf is banned |
| 18:10 |
Zeno` |
which is what I wanted |
| 18:10 |
Fuchs |
yes |
| 18:11 |
Zeno` |
my mistake was banning $a |
| 18:11 |
Zeno` |
lol |
| 18:11 |
Zeno` |
(forgot the colon) |
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| 18:12 |
Zeno` |
which is kinda funny really |
| 18:15 |
Calinou |
ban *@*!* |
| 18:15 |
Calinou |
:P |
| 18:15 |
paramat |
garywhite1 please ask for voice if in this channel thanks, everyone should be voiced |
| 18:15 |
Shara |
paramat: I don't think he's there. It is him though |
| 18:16 |
paramat |
yes i saw a 'garywhite' here too recently alongside *1 |
| 18:17 |
Shara |
I know he was having bouncer issues |
| 18:17 |
* paramat |
is paranoid :] |
| 18:17 |
NathanS21 |
tenplus1; any reason that punching a node in a protected area should cause the protector mod to crash? |
| 18:17 |
NathanS21 |
the error points to line 270 |
| 18:17 |
Shara |
I think a lot of people are right now. |
| 18:18 |
NathanS21 |
which wants to get a digger player name |
| 18:18 |
tenplus1 |
? do you own the area |
| 18:18 |
NathanS21 |
I do |
| 18:18 |
NathanS21 |
I have a mod that adds a node that triggers a function when punched. |
| 18:19 |
tenplus1 |
works fine here, which mod you running ? |
| 18:19 |
NathanS21 |
one I'm writing. :P |
| 18:20 |
tenplus1 |
line 270 is: local player = minetest.get_player_by_name(digger) |
| 18:20 |
NathanS21 |
nevermind, must be my mod causing problems. |
| 18:20 |
NathanS21 |
just commented out the code that checks for protection, and now it doesn't crash |
| 18:20 |
tenplus1 |
lol dude |
| 18:20 |
NathanS21 |
odd that it would list your mod as the one crashing though. |
| 18:20 |
tenplus1 |
when you check protection are you giving a real player name ? |
| 18:20 |
tenplus1 |
minetest.is_protected(pos, digger) |
| 18:21 |
NathanS21 |
ohhh, that's what I'm missing |
| 18:21 |
NathanS21 |
I just have a location |
| 18:21 |
tenplus1 |
:) |
| 18:21 |
NathanS21 |
I don't care who owns it, didn't think I needed to pass the player variable if I wasn't interested in it. |
| 18:21 |
Jordach |
who is Vaulty |
| 18:21 |
tenplus1 |
use "" in that case |
| 18:21 |
NathanS21 |
will do, thanks. |
| 18:22 |
tenplus1 |
hi gary |
| 18:23 |
VaultyTowers |
Jordach, just another player |
| 18:23 |
Jordach |
:thinking: |
| 18:23 |
NathanS21 |
hey, it works now. :D |
| 18:23 |
tenplus1 |
kewl :P |
| 18:24 |
tenplus1 |
I shoudl add an error message if player is nil |
| 18:24 |
red-001 |
oh yeah sorry for claiming you are halt/grandolf, VaultyTowers |
| 18:24 |
VaultyTowers |
its cool |
| 18:24 |
VaultyTowers |
I understand |
| 18:24 |
VaultyTowers |
people do irrational things under the influence of fear |
| 18:24 |
Jordach |
hrm |
| 18:24 |
Jordach |
>opens MT on laptop |
| 18:25 |
Jordach |
>dated Jan 13, 2016 |
| 18:25 |
Jordach |
*autistic screeching* |
| 18:26 |
Jordach |
what's more stupid is, is that my laptop was susceptible to wannacry |
| 18:26 |
VaultyTowers |
lol |
| 18:26 |
Jordach |
was being a major word, since it updated correctly |
| 18:28 |
tenplus1 |
added nil check to protector redo's is_protected function for digger name |
| 18:28 |
tenplus1 |
git updated |
| 18:30 |
Jordach |
Minetest needs a special config option like security.* |
| 18:30 |
Jordach |
call it lua.* |
| 18:30 |
rubenwardy |
? |
| 18:30 |
Jordach |
and like security, give Lua extra functionality like disabling crashing on nil comparisons |
| 18:31 |
tenplus1 |
we need NaN checks for entities, something to sanitize if found with a line number showing location |
| 18:33 |
lisac |
<rubenwardy> lisac, I was planning on making a capitism/economy based server when exams are over |
| 18:33 |
lisac |
need help? :P |
| 18:33 |
rubenwardy |
potentially, need to make more concrete plans about how it'll work |
| 18:33 |
rubenwardy |
probably won't start it for another few weeks though |
| 18:33 |
rubenwardy |
working on other projects |
| 18:34 |
lisac |
okay, I've got some ideas, if you'd like to hear them. |
| 18:35 |
VaultyTowers |
170526 TROLLS TOO BAD SO SAD |
| 18:35 |
VaultyTowers |
1. The VPS host located behind Cloudflare has closed Red's complaint. Too bad, so sad. I've posted advice below which explains how the Minetest trolls can do better next time. |
| 18:35 |
VaultyTowers |
2. Red has now met the previous VPS host, the one that Red DDoSed. Then mocked in #minetest-hub. A real person, and a good one, not a faceless corporation. The conversation will be posted later. |
| 18:35 |
VaultyTowers |
from minetest.org |
| 18:35 |
* Jordach |
watches discord spool up on a 5200rpm 2.5'' HDD |
| 18:36 |
red-001 |
let our troll be forgotten |
| 18:36 |
VaultyTowers |
how would he know what goes on in here? |
| 18:36 |
Jordach |
> Logs: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/ |
| 18:37 |
VaultyTowers |
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 18:37 |
Jordach |
does your IRC client not show /topic? |
| 18:37 |
VaultyTowers |
it does but I forgot about that |
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| 18:41 |
red-002 |
https://pastebin.com/CEHQ17xM |
| 18:43 |
* Jordach |
puts some CCR on |
| 18:44 |
tenplus1 |
?????????? |
| 18:44 |
Jordach |
Creedance Clearwater Revival |
| 18:45 |
Zeno` |
Jordach, are you serious?! |
| 18:45 |
Zeno` |
Legendary! |
| 18:45 |
Jordach |
Zeno`, ja |
| 18:46 |
Jordach |
i have a 197x era tape of em somewhere at home |
| 18:46 |
Jordach |
replace x with 0-9 |
| 18:46 |
red-002 |
https://pastebin.com/xFTm5YAw |
| 18:46 |
red-002 |
I wouldn't call it a conversation |
| 18:46 |
Jordach |
:thinking: |
| 18:47 |
Zeno` |
Jordach, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu2pVPWGYMQ |
| 18:47 |
red-002 |
anyway I don't see any point in using [off] |
| 18:47 |
Zeno` |
*that* is a classic |
| 18:48 |
Jordach |
Zeno`, just passed that |
| 18:48 |
Zeno` |
passed it? |
| 18:48 |
Jordach |
on spotify |
| 18:48 |
Zeno` |
oh |
| 18:48 |
Zeno` |
it's one of their most famous songs |
| 18:49 |
Jordach |
aye |
| 18:49 |
Jordach |
clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right... |
| 18:49 |
Zeno` |
do you like Neil Young? |
| 18:49 |
Zeno` |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh44QPT1mPE |
| 18:49 |
* Jordach |
shrugs |
| 18:50 |
Zeno` |
kinda the same era and just as awesome |
| 18:50 |
Zeno` |
(if not more because this clip at least is live) |
| 18:51 |
Krock |
Zeno`, I find his style very interesting. Looks somewhat unorganized |
| 18:51 |
Zeno` |
Krock, yep |
| 18:52 |
Zeno` |
Krock, but the outcome is... hmm... kind of amazin |
| 18:52 |
Krock |
yes, it's great :) |
| 18:53 |
Jordach |
Zeno`, doesn't help that my dad tuned my preferences to mid 70s -> mid 80s rock |
| 18:54 |
Zeno` |
dunno what year that is from but it's certainly 70s |
| 18:54 |
Zeno` |
1971 (live) |
| 18:54 |
red-002 |
;( |
| 18:54 |
Jordach |
Stevie Ray Vaughan, Judas Priest, Joe Satriani, Edgar Winter, Free |
| 18:54 |
red-002 |
there go my dreams of being the last person in -project |
| 18:56 |
Krock |
red-002, you can't win this game. Mission "Last man standing" lost |
| 18:56 |
red-002 |
lol |
| 18:57 |
* Shara |
is still in the running :P |
| 18:57 |
red-002 |
I wonder whats going on I can't connect correctly |
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| 18:59 |
Jordach_ |
hotel IP assignment timed out lmao |
| 18:59 |
red-002 |
garywhite, are you garywhite1 ? |
| 18:59 |
* Wayward_One |
recommends https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYETAn7wE0Q |
| 19:00 |
garywhite |
yes, that's my bouncer that I can't get into, long story... |
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| 19:03 |
tenplus1 |
wb |
| 19:05 |
garywhite |
Hi ten |
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| 19:08 |
red-002 |
wb red-001 |
| 19:09 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 19:10 |
tenplus1 |
so muchred :P |
| 19:12 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: are you using some script that posts hi/wb/etc? |
| 19:13 |
tenplus1 |
nope :P just me |
| 19:13 |
Krock |
no, tenplus1 is using a time shifted IRC client |
| 19:13 |
Shara |
:D |
| 19:14 |
tenplus1 |
it posts 10 seconds in the past :D |
| 19:14 |
Fixer |
Shara's server has good survival start |
| 19:14 |
Fixer |
food is scarce |
| 19:14 |
Fixer |
Shara: have you fixed that night bar problem? |
| 19:14 |
Shara |
Insanely scarce currently. I think there's no public farm right now... |
| 19:14 |
Shara |
Fixer: no one complained about it for quite some time |
| 19:15 |
tenplus1 |
heh |
| 19:24 |
tenplus1 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k4VP0C4byY |
| 19:25 |
red-001 |
well I guess that there is only one OC channel left now |
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| 19:26 |
garywhite |
red-001: How do you know? |
| 19:27 |
red-001 |
one major channel thats linked to minetest |
| 19:28 |
red-001 |
I'm talking about #minebest-dev |
| 19:29 |
Shara |
Which isn't a #minetest channel, so can be left alone |
| 19:29 |
red-001 |
#10 when searching for minetest |
| 19:30 |
Shara |
So? |
| 19:31 |
Shara |
He had (and still has) every right to make a fork named minebest if he wants |
| 19:31 |
rubenwardy |
it looks just like minetest |
| 19:32 |
Shara |
Site or IRC channel? |
| 19:32 |
red-001 |
well at the very least the channel is in the wrong name space it should be in ## not # |
| 19:32 |
red-001 |
he doesn't want to make a fork called minebest anymore |
| 19:32 |
Shara |
red, he had the minebest domain though. And it is a different name even if close. |
| 19:35 |
Shara |
I don't really know what happens with channels belonging to people who were banned from the network though |
| 19:35 |
Shara |
So maybe ask freenode staff about that |
| 19:35 |
red-001 |
Fuchs, ? |
| 19:35 |
Fuchs |
? |
| 19:35 |
Fuchs |
nothing happens to them |
| 19:36 |
Fuchs |
network bans are on the ircd, services (who register channels) don't know about them |
| 19:36 |
Fuchs |
what might happen to double-## channels is that they expire so people can ask us to take them over |
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| 19:38 |
red-001 |
nice host |
| 19:38 |
Krock |
heh :) |
| 19:46 |
Jordach_ |
meow |
| 19:46 |
tenplus1 |
h Jordach |
| 19:46 |
tenplus1 |
*hi |
| 19:49 |
Sokomine |
tenplus1: i've been playing around a bit with pathfinding and took a look at what was returned. the actual path didn't seem too bad - plants are no obstacles, stairs can be navigated. the place where the pathfinding fails is when doors and the like are involved |
| 19:50 |
tenplus1 |
yeah, that one is an issue... always treated as a full block |
| 19:54 |
red-001 |
<VaultyTowers> 170526 TROLLS TOO BAD SO SAD |
| 19:54 |
tenplus1 |
which version of minetest was global_exists added ? |
| 19:55 |
red-001 |
this guy is suppose to be over 50 right> |
| 19:55 |
red-001 |
s/>/? |
| 19:55 |
Sokomine |
maybe the pathfinding ought to be extended by another parameter: nodes the mob can handle (i.e. doors, gates etc. for "intelligent" ones) |
| 19:55 |
tenplus1 |
a new pathfinding function has been written in forum, will check that out soon |
| 19:57 |
Sokomine |
that one of burli? it seems to focus on getting mobs to the player |
| 19:57 |
tenplus1 |
yeah but he made it so that certain nodes can safely be ignored |
| 19:58 |
Sokomine |
that would be helpful |
| 19:59 |
Sokomine |
i also wonder what will happen if two mobs will meet each other in a tiny corridor. deadlock? |
| 19:59 |
tenplus1 |
which is better practice: local myfunc = function(args) or local function = myfunc(args) ???? |
| 19:59 |
Sokomine |
or maybe random sliding past each other.. |
| 20:02 |
Sokomine |
ah. ought to read the whole thread... |
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| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:03:03] <Grandolf> ask oldcoder |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:03:03] <Plebs> the cleint for MT on android is a complete mess. the alternatives are bad knockoffs with pay options |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:03:11] <Grandolf> hes got like 10 servers |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:03:18] <Plebs> ther isn't even a client for microsoft mobile or Apple |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:03:33] <Plebs> oldcoders servers are pretty empty too. not? |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:03:42] <Grandolf> yea |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:03:51] <Grandolf> but he might b able 2 help |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:04:05] <Plebs> if you look at the userlists on minetest/servers, you will notice, that most servers only have a special kind of users: |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:04:21] <Plebs> generic names with 3 numbers. those are asian players, with some special kind off app. |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:04:23] <garywhite> For the record, Windows Phone & iOS are more closed-source, so it's harder to develop for them, & Android version is falling apart |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:05:01] <Grandolf> sounds like ur servers r not functioning right |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:05:36] <Plebs> no server is functioning right anymore. either they are outdated, or have the issues of the new versions. |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:05:54] <Grandolf> oldcoder has his own fork |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:06:02] <Plebs> servers work fine for a few users with good PC's. |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:06:40] <Plebs> oldcoder may be a good guy and coder, but even he cannot just completly redesign the protocolls used. |
| 20:10 |
Krock |
for a reason there are services like pastebin |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:06:54] <Grandolf> https://minetest.org/index.html#stone |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:07:12] <Grandolf> hes a good coder |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
<longerslaptop> [21:07:20] * You have left channel #XD (Leaving) |
| 20:10 |
VaultyTowers |
yeah forgot |
| 20:11 |
VaultyTowers |
i dont use it often because my CPU cant handle browsers |
| 20:11 |
red-001 |
VaultyTowers, pls use pastebin |
| 20:11 |
Krock |
red-001, ninja'd you |
| 20:11 |
red-001 |
we are alll ninjas |
| 20:12 |
* red-001 |
is confused by the paste |
| 20:12 |
Krock |
VaultyLappy, well, there are also lightweight browsers around that work quite good for the most important |
| 20:12 |
red-001 |
doesn't seem out of the ordinary |
| 20:13 |
red-001 |
Fuchs, btw you can part #minetes-project now |
| 20:13 |
* red-001 |
doesn't know if Fuchs is still there |
| 20:13 |
Sokomine |
wasn't there a function to redefine a parameter of a defined node? (not via registering :modname:nodename) |
| 20:13 |
Krock |
minetest.override_item |
| 20:14 |
Fuchs |
red-001: thanks, but I am aware of the channel modes there, don't worry |
| 20:14 |
Krock |
or minetest.registered_nodes["modname:nodename"].key = value (direct access method) |
| 20:14 |
Sokomine |
red-001: we want to keep him for a while :-) perhaps he does get intrested in the topic of the channel :-) |
| 20:14 |
Sokomine |
Krock: thanks! that's what i was looking for |
| 20:14 |
Krock |
!next |
| 20:14 |
ShadowBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
| 20:17 |
Fixer |
yeah, I confirm there are lots of NameXXX on servers, i have no problems playing major servers on my PC |
| 20:17 |
Fixer |
"no server is functioning right anymore" what is this? |
| 20:18 |
Fixer |
minetest is pretty solid on servers, 24 hr of uptime is not a problem, I have much more confidence in minetest these days |
| 20:18 |
Fixer |
a LOT of bugs were fixed |
| 20:21 |
Fixer |
i've reread the pasta, it seems that were his servers, he should update |
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| 20:21 |
VaultyTowers |
Fixer, no idea but this was from a friend |
| 20:21 |
Fixer |
a lot of servers run just fine on newest dev engine and game without any problems, yet people hold on to 0.4.14... |
| 20:21 |
VaultyTowers |
he was on #XD on Inchranet I presume |
| 20:22 |
VaultyTowers |
im to lazy to update lol |
| 20:23 |
Fixer |
minetest is not like microsoft, you have more cookies with each releases, even sneak is preserved |
| 20:23 |
Fixer |
sn--k* |
| 20:23 |
VaultyTowers |
lol idc if its there or not |
| 20:24 |
Fixer |
somewhere after 0.4.12 up to this day minetest has seriously improved, both engine and game |
| 20:24 |
Fixer |
i may be subjective though |
| 20:25 |
paramat |
you are correct |
| 20:29 |
Jordach_ |
Fixer, i remember getting upto at lest 4k hours MT uptime before it crashed due to /server's time=xxxxxxxx hit a limit |
| 20:29 |
Jordach_ |
there was a point where it did that |
| 20:31 |
Jordach_ |
it was either time or uptime when any player ran /server or connected to it for the first time |
| 20:34 |
tenplus1 |
Mobs Redo API updated (again!) |
| 20:36 |
tenplus1 |
nite folks :) |
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| 20:46 |
Fixer |
redcrab at 0.4.4 had uptime of X+E6 iirc |
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| 20:54 |
Jordach__ |
*autistic screeching at wi-fi* |
| 21:11 |
red-arch |
huh I wonder why sofar set his profile image to a blank image |
| 21:12 |
VanessaE |
probably because some asshole used his image to make that "sofart" profile. |
| 21:12 |
Fixer |
like you don't know... |
| 21:12 |
Fixer |
:} |
| 21:12 |
red-arch |
yeah I wonder how long was that page using that image |
| 21:14 |
lisac |
VanessaE, 'sofart'? :P |
| 21:15 |
VanessaE |
yeah,. |
| 21:16 |
VanessaE |
sofar's face + Nazi SS uniform or some such |
| 21:16 |
VanessaE |
where the hell IS sofar anyway? |
| 21:16 |
VanessaE |
(he hasn't spoken since the 18th) |
| 21:16 |
red-arch |
hitler mustasch and a lufftwaffe officer cap |
| 21:17 |
VanessaE |
is that what it was? |
| 21:17 |
VanessaE |
close enough anyway |
| 21:17 |
red-arch |
well I heard he was moving |
| 21:17 |
Calinou |
that was it, yeah |
| 21:17 |
red-arch |
or maybe the one who shall not be mentioned got to him |
| 21:18 |
VanessaE |
I doubt it |
| 21:19 |
VanessaE |
this is the same guy who took time off of work to fight us, then claimed that that was money he *spent* |
| 21:20 |
Fixer |
antisystemd troll |
| 21:21 |
Fixer |
----- mentioned he contributed to ------- |
| 21:22 |
Fixer |
iirc he was just busy |
| 21:22 |
paramat |
by looking at logs at the time 'sofart' joined it was just after sofar had an argument with github user 'motherfscker', so i suspect that user |
| 21:22 |
Fixer |
spam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=17726 |
| 21:24 |
VanessaE |
deleted. |
| 21:24 |
sfan5 |
have i mentioned that phpbb is utter shit |
| 21:24 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: thanks, but why not entire topic? |
| 21:24 |
VanessaE |
just one more of Andrey01's useless posts.. |
| 21:24 |
VanessaE |
Fixer: entire topic. all two posts. |
| 21:24 |
red-arch |
sofart- Rider of the Apocalypse at @systemd. |
| 21:25 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: ok, deleted now |
| 21:25 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: i wonder why 1400 of inactive spammers don't spam... |
| 21:25 |
Fixer |
maybe they all banned or smth |
| 21:25 |
VanessaE |
idk |
| 21:25 |
VanessaE |
maybe they were |
| 21:26 |
red-arch |
<VanessaE> this is the same guy who took time off of work to fight us, then claimed that that was money he *spent* |
| 21:26 |
red-arch |
?? |
| 21:26 |
garywhite |
what about https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=17678 |
| 21:26 |
Fixer |
red-arch: please not this again |
| 21:26 |
VanessaE |
red-arch: yes, you read that correctly. |
| 21:26 |
red-arch |
oh you talking about coder? |
| 21:27 |
VanessaE |
red-arch: the same. |
| 21:27 |
VanessaE |
garywhite: that's in offtopic, don't see a big problem there. |
| 21:31 |
Fixer |
overclocking is also offtopic for now, i had problems with my ATI because of that |
| 21:31 |
VanessaE |
I never overclosk |
| 21:31 |
VanessaE |
I never overclock, either. |
| 21:33 |
Fixer |
every time I go view forum, there is azekill_DIABLO answering |
| 21:34 |
Fixer |
oh 4484 posts |
| 21:34 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 21:34 |
VanessaE |
well so let him jabber on as long as it's on topic and not hurting anything |
| 21:34 |
VanessaE |
but ABJ got banned for like 2 weeks I think it was |
| 21:35 |
VaultyTowers |
for what lol |
| 21:35 |
VanessaE |
I don't remember now |
| 21:36 |
Fixer |
VanessaE: i was not complaining, just curious |
| 21:36 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 21:38 |
Fixer |
procrastinating on server again, need to add that lamps to my property :/ |
| 21:40 |
Fixer |
also decided to watch direwolf20 modded mc series to go deeper into minecraft mods, i'm pretty impressed, modded mc has a lot of cool stuff as well |
| 21:40 |
Calinou |
modded Minecraft is nice but it's a mess |
| 21:40 |
VaultyTowers |
Fixer, what mods you wanna learn |
| 21:41 |
VaultyTowers |
Calinou, not if its done properly |
| 21:41 |
Calinou |
most mods are proprietary, asie's companing did not fix it much |
| 21:41 |
Calinou |
most mod packs bundle inconsistent mods |
| 21:41 |
Calinou |
mods being updated to the latest version is still an issue |
| 21:41 |
Calinou |
(didn't FTB decide to stay stuck on 1.7 forever?) |
| 21:41 |
Fixer |
VaultyTowers: general overview, direwolf20 also has mod spotlights, should not be a problem to watch, but what I've seen, it is impressive |
| 21:41 |
Fixer |
Calinou: no |
| 21:41 |
Fixer |
Calinou: at 1.10.2 now |
| 21:42 |
VaultyTowers |
1.7.10 is the best MC version for modding |
| 21:42 |
Calinou |
it lacks the optimizations of 1.9+ |
| 21:42 |
VaultyTowers |
naaaaaaaaaah |
| 21:42 |
VaultyTowers |
when you play AS2 |
| 21:42 |
Calinou |
this is software; newer is better |
| 21:42 |
VaultyTowers |
then you can talk XD |
| 21:42 |
VaultyTowers |
not in modding |
| 21:42 |
Calinou |
I don't follow the camp of "lol Windows XP was best" |
| 21:42 |
Calinou |
and stuff in that direction |
| 21:43 |
Calinou |
mods that require you to downgrade your game suck |
| 21:43 |
VaultyTowers |
thats why we have technic launcher |
| 21:43 |
Fixer |
Calinou: thankfully mc mods catch up, 1.10.2 is not that old |
| 21:43 |
VaultyTowers |
and MultiMC |
| 21:44 |
Fixer |
(((hacked MultiMC))) |
| 21:45 |
Fixer |
for multimc you just DL server version of modpack, install forge, bingo |
| 21:47 |
Calinou |
1.11.2 is the latest though |
| 21:47 |
Calinou |
and I believe it's ~3 months old already |
| 21:49 |
VaultyTowers |
1.11.2 sucks |
| 21:50 |
VaultyTowers |
I can name 15 mods that are great on 1.7.10 |
| 21:52 |
VaultyTowers |
AE2, Thermal Expansion, Draconic Evolution, Thaumcraft, Botania, RFTools, Big Reactors, Ex Nihlo, Simply Jetpacks, Witchery, Zelda Sword Skills, Battle Towers, Chocolate Questing, Carpenters blocks, malisis doors, chisel |
| 21:53 |
VaultyTowers |
did a few more |
| 22:17 |
Fixer |
most of those should be on 1.10.2 by now |
| 22:18 |
Fixer |
Calinou: 1.10.2 is good enough point |
| 22:18 |
Fixer |
1.12 will be mostly fancy stuff |
| 22:20 |
Fixer |
big reactors also on 1.10.2 iirc |
| 22:26 |
Fixer |
mom/mum/mam |
| 22:26 |
Fixer |
*screeching* |
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| 22:43 |
Jordach__ |
Fixer, MC has been the reason why SP has polish, and for good reason |
| 22:44 |
Fixer |
Jordach__: it was polished like for 6 years |
| 22:44 |
Jordach__ |
Fixer, some commoners are the rule, not the exception |
| 22:45 |
Jordach__ |
TE4, BC, AE, [J/Y]ABBA, LP, BM, RFTools |
| 22:45 |
Jordach__ |
and ThaumCraft |
| 22:45 |
Jordach__ |
being good polished examples |
| 22:45 |
Jordach__ |
(Forgot IE) |
| 22:47 |
Jordach__ |
Fixer, i intend to have a good source of automation, and power systems that are easily re-newable |
| 22:47 |
Jordach__ |
like placing buckets of water onto a water wheel |
| 22:47 |
Fixer |
i would like to see MTG moving in some direction |
| 22:51 |
* Jordach__ |
just thinks about forking technic instead |
| 22:51 |
Jordach__ |
shave off the crap |
| 22:51 |
Jordach__ |
and make it simple |
| 22:52 |
Jordach__ |
IE: unified power |
| 22:52 |
Jordach__ |
aka no "voltage" |
| 22:53 |
Jordach__ |
more RF like but with some changes |
| 23:03 |
VaultyTowers |
who knows what oml means? |
| 23:04 |
VaultyTowers |
cuz if you think its oh my lord, YOUR WRONG! |
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