Time Nick Message 00:22 benrob0329 Hi NathanS21 00:23 NathanS21 hi Benrob0329 00:23 DI3HARD139 Just gonna throw this out here. Were there any plans allow for teleporting between multiple worlds? 00:23 DI3HARD139 Helllo NathanS 00:23 DI3HARD139 -l 00:24 NathanS21 hi Di3hard139 01:30 TommyTreasure DI3HARD139, on the programming side (i'm not a programmer), its surely a possibility. but on the logistics side, its a nightmare 01:31 TommyTreasure DI3HARD139, i've had experience with this sort of thing in the old fidonet door games. 01:51 DI3HARD139 How does one install libleveldb1? 03:16 benrob0329 hi kaeza, sniper338 04:19 kaeza hello benrob0329 05:51 benrob0329 Can we please have client redirection by the server? 05:51 benrob0329 Like, send the client off to another server 05:51 benrob0329 Then we could have hub worlds 05:54 cheapie benrob0329: That's only been asked about 497 times now :P 05:54 benrob0329 cheapie: yes, I can't imagine why... 05:55 cheapie benrob0329: If you can find a way to do it without making it an auth nightmare, then maybe... 05:56 benrob0329 Send the current uname and password? 05:56 benrob0329 If auth fails, make a popup box asking for the password 05:56 benrob0329 (Really though, hub worlds would connect to private servers) 05:58 cheapie I suppose maybe it could pop up a formspec saying something like "The server is requesting that you connect to . Would you like to continue? [Yes] [No]", and then if the user clicks "yes", kick them back out to the "client" tab of the main menu with the address/port pre-filled. 06:00 TommyTreasure may i throw a 'monkey wrench' in this for a sec. you can blow it off if you'd like. i won't be offended. :) 06:01 benrob0329 #5813 06:02 benrob0329 cheapie: I don't like the idea of having to dump the player back to the online tab (yes its been renamed ^_^ ) 06:02 benrob0329 TommyTreasure: sure 06:02 benrob0329 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5813 06:02 benrob0329 Bottom comment 06:02 TommyTreasure back in the old bbs days, it was easy. mainly because the game wasn't real time. what happens if one of the servers becomes inactive during the player transfer? 06:03 TommyTreasure our game information was transferred via fidonet mail packets 06:03 benrob0329 Then the client gets dumped back to hub or online? tab? 06:03 benrob0329 -one of those ?s 06:04 TommyTreasure another 'what if'. if the client loses connection during transfer? 06:04 benrob0329 Same as any other server 06:04 TommyTreasure i'm only thinking logistics, not the programming side 06:05 benrob0329 were just transfering the client without manual intervention 06:05 TommyTreasure yes, but the player would have to remember which server, he was on when he lost connection 06:05 benrob0329 Not the whole auth nightmare 06:05 benrob0329 Ok, so online tab is auto filled if connection fails 06:06 TommyTreasure and, what if the different worlds were set up with different mods, or have had them customized 06:06 benrob0329 why would that matter? This is just like connecting to any other server 06:06 TommyTreasure enough of my monkey wrench. i actually think its a cool idea 06:06 benrob0329 Literally, just send the client to the other server 06:07 TommyTreasure like an autoconnect instead of quit and join manually? 06:07 benrob0329 Yes 06:07 TommyTreasure gotcha. going back to my dark corner 06:07 benrob0329 The reason is, its dead simple 06:08 benrob0329 No auth fiddling or fancy player inv transfer 06:08 benrob0329 That can be handled via inter server communication of necessary 06:08 benrob0329 *if 06:10 TommyTreasure btw, this is the 'door game' i was talking about. notice the "requirements". lol http://www.johndaileysoftware.com/products/bbsdoors/barrenrealmselite/ 06:11 benrob0329 Heh 06:13 cheapie "Completely inter-BBS capable allowing you to compete with up to 254 other bulletin board systems." 06:14 TommyTreasure my old bbs was one of those 254! lol 06:16 TommyTreasure 5 node ( HST modems ) 5 - 386/25 w 1/m, booting and running from floppy, with a lantastic network. 1 486/50 as server. lol 06:24 benrob0329 Maybe instead of 3 off/on topic sections, we could have a "water cooler" or "break room" section 06:25 benrob0329 Suggesting its for quality, non craposting content 06:25 benrob0329 (With a games subssction) 06:25 benrob0329 *subsection 06:26 benrob0329 VanessaE, Calinou ? 06:27 cheapie benrob0329: Then we'd have exactly the train wreck we had before, which doesn't seem very useful. 06:27 benrob0329 Not necessarily 06:28 benrob0329 Right now no one knows what to do, and as such we have craposting again 06:28 benrob0329 Before it was a free for all 06:28 cheapie *I* think that whole section of the forum just needs to be removed. 06:28 benrob0329 And as such, craposting 06:28 benrob0329 Forums become very boring if you can't have a place to relax 06:28 benrob0329 (Note: not to crapost) 06:28 cheapie (actually, I'd put the forums out of their misery, period, but that's just me) 06:30 benrob0329 But showing that its for good quality offtopic posts is what makes a good cominuty 06:30 benrob0329 Honestly, the first place I check of every forum is offtopic 06:30 benrob0329 It says a lot about the community 06:37 benrob0329 Honestly, the whole forum needs a good cleanup 06:37 benrob0329 Weeding out old, broken mods 06:37 benrob0329 Shitposts, etc 06:48 Calinou hi 06:55 benrob0329 Calinou: <@benrob0329> Maybe instead of 3 off/on topic sections, we could have a "water cooler" or "break room" section 06:55 benrob0329 <@benrob0329> Suggesting its for quality, non craposting content 06:55 benrob0329 <@benrob0329> (With a games subssction) 06:57 Calinou how do you guarnatee shitposters won't invade it? 06:59 benrob0329 Bans 07:00 Calinou meh, have fun doing that 07:00 benrob0329 I would :P 07:00 benrob0329 There are lots of places I can suggest for shitposting 07:00 benrob0329 I even moderate a few 09:21 tenplus1 hi folks 09:37 tenplus1 Mobs Redo updated to 1.36 - death check - dropped items cooked if died in lava, fire or with lava pick :P 09:41 * Raven262 hunts some mobs with his lava pick. 09:41 tenplus1 lol, hi raven 09:41 Raven262 Hello tenplus1 09:42 Raven262 Is lava pick from mobs redo? 09:42 Raven262 Or is it a separate mod? 09:42 tenplus1 it's part of mobs_monster 09:42 Raven262 Ah. 09:42 Raven262 Okay 09:42 tenplus1 the lava flan drops the orbs and lets you make the pick :D 09:42 Raven262 lol nice 09:42 Raven262 If only mobs didn't lag that much in mt. 09:42 tenplus1 but you can cook sheep/cows in lava/fire and they will drop cooked meats :D 09:43 Raven262 Thats a bit scary right? 09:43 Raven262 Oo 09:43 tenplus1 lol yeah 09:43 tenplus1 mobs arent that laggy, they run fine on Xanadu and that's a desktop pc running a full server 09:44 Raven262 Really? I always thought mobs look odd in game cause of lag 09:44 Raven262 Maybe its cause of my pc. 09:44 tenplus1 what spec you running ? 09:45 Raven262 But i doubt it, A8 APU runs many games fine. 09:45 Raven262 And 8Gb ram 09:45 tenplus1 3x types of lag... server, graphical, network.. 09:45 Raven262 Well, since i tested it on my pc, network lag is surely not 09:46 tenplus1 ehehe 09:46 Raven262 Graphical i didn't notice 09:47 Raven262 Its just the behavior of mobs that is strange, they usually like to... lag out from their movement path. 09:47 Raven262 And with many mobs, other actions like killing them gets lagged. 09:47 tenplus1 the api is light and the loop runs on a 1 second check so it doesnt stress server/game... the only realtime is falling/do_custom 09:48 Raven262 Are carbone mobs based on this? 09:49 tenplus1 lemmie check 09:50 tenplus1 carbone is based on the older simple_mobs api which redo was built from and all the new effects and features added to 09:51 Raven262 So the new one should lag less or more? 09:51 tenplus1 they both use the 1 second loop :P 09:51 Raven262 So same then. 09:51 tenplus1 the only realtime is falling, attack and in redo do_custom 09:52 tenplus1 I try to keep lag to a minimum but I may at some point redo the movement functions into their own timer and have it 0.5 instead of 1 sec 09:53 Raven262 Yes, that would make their movement much more smooth 09:53 * Raven262 is testing mobs_redo stuff and things. 09:54 tenplus1 testing is good :) 09:54 Raven262 Yeah thats why its Mine-test 09:55 tenplus1 ehehe, redo api has many good features that have been submitted and added :P testing is essential 10:01 Raven262 Accidentally tested something else, my skybox blends so good into the terrain: http://i.imgur.com/GIm6HFv.png 10:02 tenplus1 lol, accidentally :P nice screenshot btw, looks kewl 10:02 Raven262 I found a penguin xD 10:02 Raven262 lol this is nice 10:02 tenplus1 :) penguins can be tamed 10:03 Raven262 How? 10:03 * Raven262 must know 10:03 Raven262 OO 10:03 Raven262 Oo 10:03 tenplus1 lol 10:03 tenplus1 ethereal:fish_raw 10:03 Raven262 Don't have ethereal :/ 10:03 Raven262 ... 10:03 tenplus1 lemmie quickly google what else penguins eat 10:04 tenplus1 sadly 90% fish diet and krill... 10:04 Raven262 Need fish in default 10:04 Raven262 Fishing mod would be nice... 10:05 tenplus1 fishing in ethereal :P and a few separate fish mobs 10:05 tenplus1 I suppose if we add the 'fish' group we could use any mod to tame them 10:05 Raven262 I'll try this with ethereal then :D 10:05 Raven262 Where do i find it? 10:05 tenplus1 https://github.com/blert2112/mobs_water/blob/master/mobs_fish/init.lua 10:06 tenplus1 water mobs add-on for mobs redo, adds fish... 10:06 tenplus1 will have penguins tamed with these too 10:06 Raven262 These work also? 10:06 tenplus1 they will in a minute :) adding now 10:07 Raven262 lol 10:07 Raven262 :D 10:10 Raven262 I also added sky mobs, more monsters and animals mods from that same author, to test the amount of lag (and to see them) 10:11 tenplus1 k, mobs_animal updated... penguins can eat fish from mobs_fish mod also :D 10:11 tenplus1 sky_mobs have birds that tend to spawn a lot, be careful with that one 10:11 tenplus1 it's not the api that's lagging but the sheer amount of mobs other add-ons can spawn 10:12 Raven262 OK, redownloading 10:12 tenplus1 you can always change spawn levels in minetest.conf though e.g. mobs_animal:cow = 9000,1 <-- 1 cow per area, 1 in 9000 spawn 10:13 Raven262 Ah, well that would be really useful if i made a server. 10:14 tenplus1 if you set to =0 then the mob itself is disabled 10:15 Raven262 Shouldn't the wolves be attacking me? xD 10:15 tenplus1 which mod ? 10:15 Raven262 Yes, it might be the other mod. 10:15 Raven262 Now, how do i check... 10:16 tenplus1 wolves on xanadu will attack on sight, usually in packs... other mob packs may have them set to 'npc' so you gotta hit them 1st for them to attack ya 10:16 Raven262 Yes, this is that other mod 10:16 Raven262 More animals or something 10:16 tenplus1 checking 10:17 tenplus1 weird... it's set to "animal" for the wolf... they wont attack unless you hit them first 10:18 tenplus1 usually I'd change that to "monster" so they always attack and then you tame them into dog which is npc 10:18 Raven262 But anyway, one can kill them with his bare hands 10:18 Raven262 They are so though :O 10:18 Raven262 xD 10:18 tenplus1 ehehe... a good mod though :) I like that one 10:19 Raven262 I like it. 10:19 Raven262 Though now that i found the wolves, there are no more penguins, this seems odd. 10:19 tenplus1 the models are from KPG mobs which is an oldie :P 10:19 Raven262 I actually played that one sometime ago. 10:20 tenplus1 :) kewl... I helped with the riding code in that one... mobs_horse on my git is the latest version of that... 10:20 tenplus1 the better rat looks kewl 10:20 Raven262 Wait, this mod asks for some riding lib or something 10:20 Raven262 For riding the horses 10:21 tenplus1 dont use that horse mod, instead use github.com/tenplus1/mob_horse 10:21 tenplus1 it uses the built-in riding lib that comes with mobs redo... saves you having another mod 10:22 Raven262 :D 10:22 Raven262 NIce 10:22 Raven262 testing it. 10:23 tenplus1 hi fixer 10:26 Raven262 I now have a penguin. 10:27 tenplus1 w00t! make a nametag and cname the lil guy :P 10:27 Raven262 :D 10:28 Raven262 He is now called pingus 10:28 Raven262 Cause that name fits him best. 10:28 tenplus1 ehehe, nice 10:28 tenplus1 I'd call him "fish finger" 10:28 Raven262 lol 10:30 Raven262 The lava things are spawning fire on the snow. 10:31 Raven262 I find this amusing, as paramat would say. 10:31 tenplus1 lava flan ? 10:31 tenplus1 the wibbly wobble lava monsters ? 10:31 Raven262 lava slime 10:31 Raven262 is that from your mod? 10:31 tenplus1 ahh, those are fun :) they jump around and cause flame 10:31 Raven262 Yes i saw them :D 10:32 tenplus1 mobs_slimes prolly 10:32 tenplus1 more monsters 10:32 tenplus1 we have a cut back version on xanadu... green slimes(med and small) and lava slimes (small) 10:32 Raven262 I think they fit really good in the game, in the lava caves to be precise. 10:32 Raven262 Lava itself is not such an obstacle as they would be. 10:32 tenplus1 true, especially with crystal armor giving fire/lava protection now 10:33 tenplus1 and watercrystal helmet letting you breathe underwater 10:34 * Raven262 has to check this server out. 10:35 Raven262 Well, it seems no new players can join. 10:35 tenplus1 hold on 10:35 tenplus1 try now 10:35 Raven262 Works :D 10:45 Raven262 Crashed. 10:46 Raven262 tenplus1, when i tried to pick up the bones my client crashed. 10:47 tenplus1 what client you using ? 10:47 tenplus1 0.4.? 10:47 Raven262 0.4.15-dev 10:47 tenplus1 works ok here... ?!?! 10:47 Raven262 Odd 10:47 Raven262 I might have not updates in a few days though. 11:00 tenplus1 afk 11:04 tenplus1 Raven262: sprinting a lot depletes your stamina/hunger 11:07 Raven262 Yes i have seen 11:07 Raven262 I will be back later, have to make lunch and stuff. 11:07 tenplus1 enjoy :)) hi lisac 11:08 lisac Hi tenplus1. 11:08 lisac Hi Amaz. 11:08 lisac Hi VaultyTowers. 11:14 Stone-Talus hoy lisac 11:18 red-002 lol why are you connected with two accounts? 11:19 VaultyLappy my laptop and tower 11:19 red-002 oh 11:19 red-002 wait your ISP gives you a diffrent ip address for both? 11:19 VaultyLappy shouldn't? 11:20 red-002 nvm 11:20 red-002 I read it wrong 11:20 VaultyLappy lol 11:26 VaultyTowers lol someone grifted an amd radeon graphics processor from our schools computer XD 11:27 VaultyTowers that processor also found its way to me XD 11:30 Sokomine tenplus1: sheep and cows are not for cooking. and lava flarns are too cute to kill 11:31 tenplus1 lol, hi Sokomine 11:32 Raven262 Thats odd 11:32 * Raven262 has just been cooking some sheep 11:33 * tenplus1 leaves the sheep to cook themselves :D 11:34 * Raven262 finds tenplus1's idea very amusing. 11:34 Raven262 :O 11:35 tenplus1 but only if they are stupid enough to wander into fire or lava :D 11:35 Raven262 They could in ethereal 11:35 Raven262 In that lava thingy biome 11:35 Raven262 The reddish one 11:36 tenplus1 Fiery biome :P 11:36 Raven262 Yes that one. 11:37 * Sokomine puts fences in front of the lava so that the animals are safe 11:37 tenplus1 the fire flowers are kinda deadly, but... are an essential ingredient to chili taco's in Xanadu :D 11:37 tenplus1 hi Krock 11:37 Sokomine hi 11:37 Krock what. apparently I can't read the userlist 11:37 Krock hi tenplus1 11:38 Krock ...but I was prepared :< 11:38 Krock hi Sokomine 11:38 tenplus1 :P 11:43 red-arch hi Krock 11:43 Krock hi red 11:43 tenplus1 hi red 11:43 Shara Hello all 11:44 tenplus1 hi Shara 11:44 Shara hi Ten :P 11:50 VaultyTowers http://www.egmnow.com/all/gamestop-says-the-nintendo-switch-is-outperforming-even-the-wii/ 11:52 tenplus1 shame that the switch dock is so crappy 11:52 tenplus1 hi storm 11:55 Raven262 Hello Shara 12:03 stormchaser3000 hi 12:06 tenplus1 hi nathan 12:07 NathanS21 hi tenplus1 12:08 tenplus1 brb 12:08 tenplus1 back :P 12:09 Shara :P 12:09 tenplus1 oh yeah, Mobs Redo API has been updated to 1.36... new death check for cooking drops :D 12:11 Shara I'm not updating anything at the mo. Too busy with studies :P 12:11 tenplus1 ahh, busy busy :P 12:12 Shara Well, I have apretty huge project to finish + exams 12:12 Shara with in the next two weeks 12:12 Shara It's why I'm not working on any of my mods right now either 12:12 tenplus1 I dont blame ya 12:12 Raven262 Not that mods > everything else. 12:13 Shara But mods > making webpages about things I don't care about 12:13 tenplus1 lol 12:14 Fuchs good luck with exams 12:14 Shara Thanks Fuchs :) 12:14 tenplus1 hi Fuchs 12:15 Fuchs yes, hello 12:15 Shara Main problem I get is that I just study on the side., so even getting time off to go to the exams can be difficult. 12:16 Shara But realised I'd been teaching myself all these things, so may as well get the piece of paper too :) 12:16 tenplus1 :) 12:18 Shara It's kind of sad that I think MT did more to make my code better so far than studying did :P 12:20 tenplus1 it gave you a purpose in learning 12:20 Shara I like that if I make something here, be it a mod or something I try get added to the game, I see people using it 12:20 Shara Plus I can actually work with people on stuff 12:21 Shara And... I realised I prefer both lua and C++ a lot more than any languages they actually teach for the course :P 12:21 tenplus1 which languages do they teach? 12:21 Shara It was mostly Java 12:22 Shara But a little python this year too 12:22 tenplus1 python is the new basic :) I like it for it's simplicity 12:23 tenplus1 java I dont like tho... 12:24 Shara I think I'd probably like python if I was doing anything real with it 12:24 Shara But they are just using it for example mainly 12:25 tenplus1 still better than what I got at college :P cobol and pascal :PPPPPP 12:29 Shara hehehe 12:29 Shara Got nothing at college 12:30 Shara School left me thinking computing was stupid... since the height of challenge there was adding two things from spreadsheet fields. 12:30 Shara I only started to realise there was more to it when I looked at open source games 12:30 tenplus1 ahahaha, that is kinda lame :P they'll never instill the wonder of computing using a spreadsheet 12:31 Shara I know. 12:31 Shara I still remember the exam involved things like... showing you could change a font or insert a piece of clipart :( 12:32 tenplus1 that's the sorta thing you get in beginners computing... how to use a mouse, type things etc. 12:33 tenplus1 hi shadow 12:33 tenplus1 hi WhoAreYou 12:33 WhoAreYou Hello tenplus1 12:36 tenplus1 hi DS-minetest 12:36 DS-minetest hi 12:38 Shara Hello WhoAreYou, DS-minetest :) 12:39 Shara tenplus1: Yup. MAde it feel so uninteresting to me that I didn't look at computers properly again for years. I wish I'd had someone around to encourage me sooner 12:42 tenplus1 this 'lil guy got me into programming in a big way: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5c1Yg1Nvhh8/UAmH8H-fffI/AAAAAAAAAZs/VrQhM_Qvads/s640/AMOSPro_V2_editor_pic2.png 12:42 Shara :) 12:43 Fixer *,..,* 12:43 tenplus1 hi fixr 13:36 tenplus1 hi sniper 13:37 Raven262 tenplus1, can you allow lisac to join the Xanadu? 13:37 lisac :) yes please 13:37 tenplus1 borders should be open already 13:37 tenplus1 checking 13:38 tenplus1 open 13:38 tenplus1 damn serialize.h error again, cannot track where that one is coming from 13:39 celeron55 #minetest-project is now set to forward to #minetest, for all that matters 13:39 tenplus1 :PP 13:40 red-arch neat 13:40 VanessaE O_o 13:41 VanessaE celeron55: careful, thou shalt bring the wrath of He Who Should Remain K-lined :P 13:42 celeron55 the channel is dead, the only thing it can do anymore is confuse people 13:42 VanessaE agreed 13:42 celeron55 and there's enough wrath going on in any case 13:42 VaultyTowers ^ 13:42 VanessaE but...but... he might start throwing spitballs! 13:42 VanessaE :) 13:42 celeron55 like, it hasn't even started lessening yet 13:43 Krock VanessaE, lol. I just remembered of the Dark Lord in Harry Potter 13:43 VanessaE Krock: heh yep, Abe made the same reference when I told him that ^^^ 13:43 Krock the one whose name shouldn't be said 13:44 red-arch damnatio memoriae much? 13:44 Krock - Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited (#minetest-project) 13:45 VaultyTowers intriguing 13:45 Raven262 tenplus1, lisac also found that picking up the bones on Xanadu crashes the client. 13:46 tenplus1 do you have an error message ? 13:46 tenplus1 also is it a dropped item or actual node he's picking up ? 13:46 Raven262 dropped item. 13:47 Raven262 And it happened too when i tried to kill a chicken with its own meat. 13:47 tenplus1 checking builtin and creative mods 13:47 VaultyTowers i should just join his IRC to see what he says XDDD 13:47 tenplus1 do you guys have mob security enabled ? 13:47 Raven262 Mob security? 13:47 Krock no, they're set to hostile here 13:47 tenplus1 *mod 13:47 Raven262 mod security? 13:47 Krock oh 13:47 lisac https://pastebin.com/T2Xzj5WN 13:47 Raven262 lisac says we do have. 13:47 VanessaE if you have mod security disabled, you need to enable it for your own sanity :P 13:48 VaultyTowers lol 13:48 lisac VanessaE, why? :P 13:48 Krock lisac, what piece of old mod is that? 13:48 * VaultyTowers is going to crack open a Dew-S-A 13:48 VanessaE lisac: worldedit_gui. I don't think I need to explain further. :P 13:49 Raven262 Mod security is enabled by default here. 13:49 tenplus1 k, am picking up bones here ok... I dunno why you guys are crashing in client 13:49 lisac tenplus1, What's your client's version? 13:49 tenplus1 today's build 13:49 Raven262 I'll update my minetest to the latest daily build. 13:50 lisac tenplus1, One can buy tons of craft guides and fill free stuff chests with them 13:51 Raven262 :D 13:51 lisac :) 13:51 red-arch since -project got redirected wouldn't it make sense to remove the logger from there? 13:52 VanessaE probably. :P 13:53 red-arch also couldn't it be set as secrect so it doesn't show up on the channel list? 13:56 red-arch oh it is set to secrect 13:56 red-arch but it still shows up on the channel list 13:59 lisac hey tenplus1, you made mobs redo, right? 14:00 tenplus1 I tend to it, yes :) but it started off as simple mobs with a big group effort ;D 14:00 * Sokomine wonders what VaultyTowers is cracking open 14:01 lisac Do you think it would be possible to modify it to work like WoW's mobs? 14:01 Sokomine what do those do? 14:01 lisac there is a fixed amount of mobs inside of an area 14:01 tenplus1 that's how it works... it's all down to mob definition and spawn functions 14:01 lisac if they leave their spawn radius, they return to their spawn positions and regenerate HP 14:01 tenplus1 it counts mobs inside an area before spawning new one's 14:02 lisac WoW also has a bit more RPG style combat 14:02 lisac that would probably work well in MT 14:02 tenplus1 so keep mobs within a certain radius of it's spawn point where it restores health ./ 14:02 lisac because it ignores lag 14:02 lisac yes. 14:02 tenplus1 will look into it as a behaviour option 14:03 lisac maybe even add a block you can place, around which 4-5 mobs spawn 14:03 lisac of a single type 14:03 Sokomine ah. and how does mobs_redo handle spawning? in sapiers animals modpack spawning used to be rather expensive for some time 14:03 tenplus1 we have spawners included in api :) /giveme mobs:spawner 14:04 tenplus1 spawning still uses abm's that can be tailored to run at a set time/chance and have conditions to be met before it spawns anything 14:04 lisac tenplus1, I'll try to make the modifications myself and I'll make a pull request if I succeed 14:04 tenplus1 ok 14:04 Fixer tenplus1: you should add mob immunity against thrown objects at them 14:05 tenplus1 that's already in ther efixer 14:05 tenplus1 we have immune_to table 14:05 tenplus1 which can set specific +/- health for certain items... also armor groups so that certain weapons dont work :D 14:05 tenplus1 e.g. hit oerkki with wood sword, does nothing... hit with gold lump, heals health 14:07 Raven262 tenplus1, Xanadu is basically made out of bamboo biome. 14:08 tenplus1 ehehe, they are rather large... but that's down to the map seed that players chose :P 14:08 Raven262 I was trying and trying to escape it for 15 minutes until i died eventually 14:08 tenplus1 I did break up later bamboo biomes with poppy fields and swamps 14:08 Raven262 I'm sad cause i can't eat bamboo. 14:08 Shara I like bamboo biomes :) 14:08 Raven262 And i don't find dying so amusing. 14:08 Raven262 I like giant mushrooms. 14:08 tenplus1 you can eat bamboo sprouts, but they take away health while healing hunger :D 14:09 tenplus1 also the hearty stew has bamboo sprouts as ingredient (theyre ok when cooked) 14:09 lisac Shara, Try finding a piece of wood there 14:09 lisac you can't grow anything 14:09 lisac you die out of starvation before you leave it 14:09 Shara I actually built almost exclusively in bamboo biomes on Xanadu 14:10 tenplus1 ppl tend to leave you alone inside bamboo biomes, and the bamboo can be crafted into many things inc. stairs/slabs :P 14:10 Raven262 Well, most of the people do, guess why. 14:10 Raven262 One does not simply escape an bamboo biome. 14:10 tenplus1 heh 14:10 Raven262 I need to make a meme 14:10 Raven262 ... 14:10 * Shara also selected that biome intentionally :P 14:11 Raven262 https://memegenerator.net/instance/78072135/one-does-not-simply-one-does-not-simply-escape-a-bamboo-biome 14:12 tenplus1 ahahah, nice 14:12 Raven262 There. 14:12 Raven262 xD 14:14 tenplus1 I was thinking at one point of making an Ethereal Lite mod... inserting the new biomes into the existing v7 mapgen one's 14:16 Raven262 That would be nice. 14:17 Sokomine hmm. which mob do i get now to navigate inside my houses? 14:17 tenplus1 Igor's are handy 14:17 * Shara wants more ridable mobs 14:18 tenplus1 horse, elephant and dragon... that's not too shabby :P 14:18 * Raven262 wants ridable dragons. 14:18 Raven262 Ah. 14:18 tenplus1 already happened raven :D 14:18 * Zeno` rides Shara 14:18 Zeno` oos 14:18 Zeno` oops 14:18 Zeno` misread 14:18 * Raven262 wants ridable giant ravens. 14:18 Shara >.> 14:18 Sokomine tenplus1: can they navigate inside houses i've built? 14:19 Shara DL has dragons 14:19 Shara And giant bats 14:19 Shara and elephants :) 14:19 Shara But I still didn't find horses I like... or a good bird model to do some kind of giant bird 14:20 tenplus1 you can try soko :P 14:20 Raven262 xD 14:20 Zeno` I used to be a bat 14:20 Sokomine hmpf. that test-mob is stuck at the door.... 14:20 Sokomine Shara: the horse models inside mobs redo are quite good. they're sufficiently small. larger animals break the sense of wonder 14:21 Shara Sokomine: they just look ugly to me 14:21 Shara Mostly the textures 14:22 tenplus1 we DO need better textures for the horses though, the current one's are kinda crappy 14:22 tenplus1 github.com/tenplus1/builtin_item updated... optimized water flow functions... 14:23 Shara Things don't need to be big to look good 14:23 Shara I'd love to tak ea few things from nssm though, but they are just huge 14:23 tenplus1 amazing mobs but models are humungous 14:24 Shara 1MB + per model isn't acceptable to me 14:24 tenplus1 got the mobs_fish models from 180kb down to 0kb 14:24 Shara dmobs has some equally nice models, but much smaller, so it can certainly be done at a better size than nssm 14:25 Sokomine hmm. this unhappy mob doesn't have much success in trying to follow me... 14:25 Sokomine Shara: do a nicer model :-) 14:25 Shara I don't do models :) 14:26 Sokomine 0kb? 14:26 Sokomine Shara: too bad. i always need to convice people to do models and textures for me :-) 14:26 tenplus1 yeah... converted from 2x .b3d files into upright_sprites using inventory image textures :) worked like a charm 14:26 Sokomine vanessae has provided many already :-) 14:27 Shara Textures I can do, but not models. 14:27 tenplus1 http://lolsnaps.com/upload_pic/65dc3312-mamma-cat-spotted-carrying-her-young.jpg 14:27 Shara :P 14:28 * Zeno` looks at Sokomine 14:28 Krock tenplus1, lovely 14:29 tenplus1 :P 14:29 Raven262 lol 14:30 Zeno` Sokomine, do you like gummibärchen? 14:30 Sokomine Zeno`: i do to some degree 14:30 Sokomine i like lakritz even more 14:31 Sokomine hmpf. seems i really need to get into mob pathfinding.... 14:31 Zeno` no, no, I mean the cartoon 14:31 tenplus1 mobs redo is a simple api, pathfinding only comes into play when a mob attacks, and only for those it's enabled for 14:31 Shara Sokomine: seems we share tastes there :P 14:32 tenplus1 https://github.com/tenplus1/mob_horse/blob/master/textures/mobs_horse.png 14:32 Zeno` I only ask because of https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5822 14:33 Zeno` I have many worlds named gummibärchen and found the report unusual 14:33 Wayward_One hi all :) 14:34 tenplus1 hi wayward 14:34 Shara Hi Wayward_One 14:34 Zeno` Wayward_One also has a whole server called gummibärchen 14:34 Raven262 Hello Wayward_One 14:34 Sokomine Shara: :-) 14:34 Zeno` lakritz would be a silly world name 14:35 Wayward_One lol 14:35 * Shara will now use it 14:35 Sokomine tenplus1: i'm currently testing the working_villages mob again. after all it has the same goal as the mobs i'm looking for. it works reasonably well, but there are limits 14:35 Sokomine Zeno`: never heared about such a cartoon. for me, they're just sweets for eating 14:35 Shara Maybe it can be my new test world 14:36 tenplus1 :P 14:36 Zeno` Sokomine, you should have villagers like Skyrim with traders 14:36 Sokomine Zeno`: i don't use umlaute for world names 14:36 Zeno` err villages* 14:36 Sokomine with all those sweets...be careful that your players won't eat up your world :-) 14:37 Zeno` yeah, well, better that than nyan 14:37 Sokomine oh, i do have traders. they just don't move around at all 14:37 Zeno` the traders don't have to move, they just have to be in a village 14:38 Zeno` perhaps behind the scenes there could be a world economy but that's not necessary 14:38 Sokomine well, they are. install my mods (mg_villages plus mobf_trader) and they'll be there. their trades could be better...currently they sell most for material cost plus a bit more 14:39 Sokomine most people expect villagers to move around. mine just stand holes into the carpet 14:39 tenplus1 mobs redo traders need a lotta work :PPPPP 14:40 Zeno` nah, villagers should remain in the same place but trade with traders from other villages 14:40 Zeno` so that stock is not generated magically 14:41 Zeno` the traders themselves should not move though 14:42 tenplus1 redo traders were setup to have limited random stocks and stand still, but will attack if you hit them first :PPP 14:42 Sokomine all my villagers are technically traders. they tend to have a job - they "buy" the materials they need, they sell what they carft. though they don't really have a stock 14:42 Zeno` they, imaginarily, should have assistants that imaginarily travel the world so that stock moves 14:44 Zeno` that way every time you visit a trader you could potentially buy something that some other player sold either there or at another village 14:44 Shara I'd like to see something like that 14:44 tenplus1 a global trader list where swapped items come and go 14:45 Shara but to be honest, don't even see players trading among themselves much 14:45 Sokomine diffrent goal, zeno. my villages are mostly useful for singleplayer. if you've got multiplayer, you can just set up the traders so that they'll sell the player's goods. they're very very versatile in that regard 14:45 Zeno` Shara, they do 14:45 Zeno` Shara, just on your server I know people who have millions of mese lol 14:45 Shara your server too :P 14:45 Zeno` ok, on darklands 14:46 Zeno` they really do get rich 14:46 Shara It was the same on Xanadu though 14:46 Zeno` if they were NPC then it could get interesting 14:46 Shara Once you reach a certain point, you have everything you need really 14:46 Shara and before that point, you don't have anything anyone else really needs 14:47 tenplus1 yeah, which is good cause players tend to either build grand buildings or setup shop to sell to other players :D 14:47 Zeno` yes, but if the traders are NPC the dynamics change 14:47 Shara Zeno`: that's why I said I'd like to see it 14:47 Shara But I do have some doubts about how well it would work at the same time 14:48 Sokomine Zeno`: my traders are more like shops in that regard. they can either act as npc - byuing and selling what they need and crafted - or act for the player and offer whatever the player sells for whichever price 14:48 Sokomine most servers are too small for a working economy 14:52 Zeno` *shrug* 14:53 Zeno` I think it'd be a cool thing to do 14:53 Zeno` I'd do it myself but I dunno how to use Lua 14:54 tenplus1 traders should be a separate mod cause it has a lot put into it... 14:55 Raven262 testing ... ¹₂³₄⁵₆⁷₈⁹₁₀¹¹₁₂¹³₁₄¹⁵₁₆¹⁷₁₈¹⁹₂₀²¹₂₂²³₂₄²⁵₂₆²⁷₂₈²⁹30 14:55 lisac Sokomine, do you know why on most servers currency is worthless? 14:55 Zeno` I don't suggest it should be a part of MTG (which I am disillusioned with anyway) 14:55 Raven262 Cause people don't use it, lisac? 14:55 tenplus1 no no... I meant separate from mobs mod... it's a different thing altogether :D 14:56 lisac Raven262, Because there is an infinite amount of it 14:56 KaadmY How can you artificially raise the value of ingame currency? 14:56 lisac it spawns 14:56 tenplus1 hi Jordach 14:56 lisac killing the economy. 14:56 KaadmY The obvious way would be to make the goods they sell a lot rarer 14:56 red-arch hi Jordach 14:56 Raven262 Raise the value? Take it from the system. 14:56 Raven262 *out of the system 14:56 tenplus1 +1... traders sell cinnamon for ceratin food items which cannot be found anywhere else on map :D 14:56 lisac Raven262, if you take too much, it becomes unpractical to operate with 14:56 KaadmY In real life it works because you just CAN'T mine iron or gold yourself in any quantity to be useful 14:56 Zeno` what I suggest is that what traders have to trade is whatever players will buy and for a price they will buy for. It's an interesting algorithm. It would also require prohibiting players setting up stores of their own, but *shrug* 14:56 Jordach *ooga-chaka intensifies*] 14:57 lisac Currency mods should have a limit on the amount, like 21 000 14:57 * KaadmY stares at Jordach's ooga-chaka 14:57 lisac when there is 21 000 units of currency inside the world, stop making more of it 14:57 Zeno` yes, items that cannot be found on the map is also a good thing 14:57 Raven262 But 14:57 Raven262 That makes leaks one really bad thing. 14:57 Zeno` e.g. cinnamon might be a good example if it cannot be found naturally in the playing world 14:58 Raven262 Like if a player takes some of the currency with him when he leaves the server forever. 14:58 lisac Raven262, that would only increase the value of the remaining currency 14:58 Zeno` currency leaks...see? it's getting interesting already 14:59 Zeno` lisac, correct 14:59 Raven262 I think the currency, whatever it may be should belong to the server itself. 14:59 lisac if there is a huge need for more currency, you can print more of it. Decreasing the value of the rest of it 14:59 Raven262 But that would break the "static amount" 14:59 Zeno` this would not be an easy mod to create, but it'd be awesome 14:59 lisac Raven262, it wouldn't. You still won't go over 21 000 14:59 Raven262 No, lisac. 14:59 lisac it would be controlled input, though 15:00 Raven262 It would require periodic recalculations of item's prices. 15:00 lisac Zeno`, I actually made one. I haven't released it, though. 15:00 lisac it's somewhere on my HDD. 15:00 lisac Raven262, Do you think money isn't destroyed in Real life? 15:00 Raven262 It is punishable by law, so rarely it is destroyed. 15:01 red-arch depends on the reason 15:01 lisac wow, did you ever hear anyone report someone else that he lost a couple of notes? 15:01 NathanS21 Governments regularly destroy old money, but put new money in its place 15:01 Raven262 No? 15:01 NathanS21 often times putting in more than they take out. :P 15:01 lisac 'Hey, arrest that guy, he lost 5000RSD' 15:01 Zeno` you could also make it not destroyable 15:01 Raven262 lol rsd 15:01 lisac NathanS21, And lower it's value 15:01 Jordach do i hear economics in Minetest? 15:01 Jordach :^))))) 15:01 NathanS21 People also collect money, which effectively takes it out of the system. 15:02 NathanS21 I have a collection of 2 dollar bills, that I don't spend 15:02 NathanS21 so they might as well have been destroyed. 15:02 NathanS21 though at some point my children will probably sell them, or just cash them in at a bank 15:02 Zeno` e.g. if a player leaves or is banned then their money is put back into the global pool. But we're not talking money here, just items (although the same would have to be done) 15:02 tenplus1 hi kaeza 15:02 Raven262 Sell them at a greater value :P 15:02 kaeza greetings 15:02 lisac Zeno`, If a player leaves, he also takes materials with him 15:03 lisac in his chests, buildings, inv. 15:03 Raven262 Wait 15:03 Zeno` Raven262, no. Only NPCs are allowed to sell 15:03 tenplus1 most servers have a monetary setup of some kind... either in item notes, gold lumps or the barter system 15:03 lisac decreasing the resulting deflation. 15:03 Raven262 no wasn't talking about that, Zeno` xD 15:03 lisac Zeno`, Everyone should be allowed to buy and sell 15:03 Zeno` nope 15:03 lisac in order to avoid players making black markets 15:03 lisac where they trade by dropping items between each other 15:03 Zeno` for this experiment to be really interesting only NPCs should be allowed to 15:04 Raven262 Wait, materials are constantly being added, which causes static money amount to gain value. 15:04 Raven262 see the problem? 15:04 Zeno` Raven262, that happens in real life as well 15:04 lisac Raven262, I think you are missing the point. 15:04 Raven262 Nope, lisac. 15:04 lisac you could theoretically buy more cobble for a coin than you can if there's less cobble in the world. 15:04 Zeno` Raven262, corporations or countries consistently "add" materials 15:05 Raven262 Yes, and how do the economies deal with it, Zeno`? 15:05 lisac but that is only, again, increasing the value of money 15:05 lisac which we are trying to create 15:05 lisac but keep money affordable at the same time 15:05 lisac players need a reason to give their money to others. 15:05 lisac why would I buy cobble, if I can dig it and keep my money? 15:05 lisac or why would I buy anything at all? 15:06 Shara That's the issue I hit on any server with currency 15:06 lisac What we need, are Professions. 15:06 lisac ability for players to specialize in certain trade. 15:06 lisac for example, mining. Or smelting. 15:06 Raven262 Yes, this is right. Eventually by selling eg. diamond blocks there would be lots of them, which would decrease their value to the eg. price of mese blocks. 15:06 Shara I thought about that a lot, but they;ll end up specialising in everything anyway 15:06 lisac which they can do cheaper and faster than other players. Giving us levels. 15:06 lisac Shara, limit them to 2 professions at a time 15:07 Shara Multiple characters 15:07 lisac they need to unlearn the old ones before taking up new ones 15:07 Raven262 ... 15:07 lisac yes, maybe so, but multiple accounts are already banned, right? 15:07 Shara No 15:07 Shara You can limit by IP address 15:07 Zeno` lisac, how can you buy more cobble than is in the world if you can only buy cobble that people have sold? 15:07 red-arch depends on the server 15:07 Raven262 Asking the real questions here^ 15:08 Shara But what does this do? Gives those with dynamic IP addresses a bit of an advantage 15:08 Zeno` lisac, and then when people stop "selling" cobble then perhaps it's becoming rare? 15:08 lisac Zeno`, point is, why would you buy cobble? 15:08 Raven262 Cause you need to build something? 15:08 Zeno` lisac, why wouldn't you at some point? 15:08 lisac because there is no need to. I could stick to my money forever. 15:08 lisac I don't have to buy food. 15:08 lisac or shelter. 15:08 Zeno` lisac, e.g. if nobody was selling cobble because everyone was selling gold then you'd buy cobble. right? 15:09 Zeno` and trade it back for gold (if you needed that... it's just an example) 15:09 lisac Nope, I don't think so. 15:09 Raven262 No? 15:09 Raven262 Then you missed the profit, lisac. 15:09 Zeno` you would. It happens in real life every single second 15:10 lisac Yes, Zeno`, because in real life there is a need for materials. 15:10 lisac not in Minetest. Everyone can produce anything. 15:10 lisac correct? 15:10 lisac I don't need a specialized mining company to get gold. I can mine it myself. 15:10 Zeno` technically so can everyone in real life 15:10 * Raven262 goes mining some gold :O 15:10 lisac Really, I don't think I know how to build nuclear reactors. 15:10 lisac or mine gold. 15:10 Zeno` I hate mining coal 15:11 Zeno` I just don't do it 15:11 lisac so, you'd buy coal? 15:11 Zeno` The whole mod would be an experiment 15:11 lisac a server, not a mod. 15:11 Raven262 Wait, thats an interesting idea. 15:11 Raven262 Lets test it on a server. 15:11 lisac maybe allow some sort of guilds, too. 15:11 Zeno` for sure. On servers that have people selling coal I never mine coal 15:11 lisac where people selling/buying stuff can unite. 15:11 Zeno` I just don't mine it at all 15:12 lisac selling it at lower, affordable prices. 15:12 Raven262 lol 15:12 Shara I actually used coal as my base unit of stuff I asked for when selling 15:12 lisac and buying it at lower prices. 15:12 Shara Because I could never be bothered to mine it 15:12 * Raven262 used diamonds 15:12 Zeno` I don't care how much it costs I just buy it 15:12 Zeno` same with mese 15:12 Zeno` same with diamonds 15:12 Shara I ran farms on Xanadu and sold food for coal 15:12 Zeno` I'm not the only one who plays like this 15:13 Shara (now I have more coal there than I can ever use and no motivation to do more... that's the trouble) 15:13 Jordach you could go the arseface method and just set all the ores to be rare as fuck above -6k 15:13 tenplus1 most players tailor there shops for what they need anyhoo 15:13 Jordach *this is where the fun begins* 15:13 tenplus1 which is why money isnt that imprtant if you can trade :D 15:13 Zeno` tenplus1, yeah of course they do. That is why restricting shops to NPCs might be interesting 15:14 Shara Then I switched shops to ask for mese, until I had more of that than I knew what to do with... 15:14 tenplus1 ehehe 15:14 Shara Then I realised there was nothing at all I needed that people might actually give 15:14 tenplus1 nah, I wouldnt limit shops... it's too much fun having players setup their own :) gives them a sense of economy and growth 15:14 Zeno` If all the "shops" have billions of mese then mese becomes worth less than cobble 15:15 Zeno` even if it's rarer in the world 15:15 lisac HEY, A BETTER IDEA! Let's just skip through the capitalist stage, and establish COMMUNISM! 15:15 Raven262 :O 15:15 Zeno` what happens then? 15:15 Shara tenplus1: the other problem is you end up with laods of empty player shops and it's a nightmare for abuyer to find one with actual stock 15:15 lisac Hi paramat. 15:15 Raven262 Greetings, paramat 15:15 tenplus1 hi parama 15:15 Raven262 xD 15:15 Zeno` the transfer of wealth starts happening 15:16 Zeno` so the cobble miners might become the "rich ones" 15:16 tenplus1 true shara, but that's why we host wrecking crews on Xanadu so we can remove all of the limited/banned/old players items 15:16 Zeno` then it kind of reverses again at some point 15:16 Shara tenplus1: And that exact thing sort of puts me off building more there :P 15:16 Raven262 Yes, it heals itself. 15:17 tenplus1 and if the builds are really nice then I'll protect them or have someone take it over to live in :) 15:17 Raven262 Wait, how does on "live in" a building? 15:17 paramat hehe 15:17 Raven262 Why is there a need for shelter? 15:17 Shara Depends on the server 15:17 Raven262 Yes, mobs, stuff 15:18 tenplus1 there isnt really... but... how kewl would it be if we could get heat/humidity values in a position and expose players to harsh heat and cold conditions 15:18 Shara When people show up on my creative asking for a house... the eye rolling begins. 15:18 Raven262 But basically you can build a 3 x 3 x 3 block of stonebrick and be done. 15:19 Raven262 lumidify had an interesting idea, he added sanity, which you lose in the dark and eventually die. It would recharge in light. 15:19 lisac Raven262, I could life next to a torch 15:19 Raven262 But that would be just one of the things 15:19 tenplus1 like shara's darklands :D 15:19 Shara Raven262: that's what DL does :) 15:19 Raven262 Never saw that :O 15:19 lisac or I could place torches wherever I go 15:20 Shara lisac: Torches on DL also go out :) 15:20 lisac Or I could place trapstones on the roads and trap people at night killing them with darkness 15:20 tenplus1 but if you have Real Torch then the torches go out eventually and need relit 15:20 Raven262 Oh, thats a nice idea. 15:20 Zeno` someone mentioned a black market before where players trade with each other directly 15:20 Zeno` personally I think that'd make things even more interesting 15:20 lisac Zeno`, me! :P 15:20 lisac Interesting? 15:20 Zeno` yes 15:20 lisac Are you saying you'd buy sub-quality food? 15:20 * Raven262 goes to sell some illegal memes on black market. 15:20 Raven262 :O 15:21 lisac just because it's cheaper than trading with a stupid robot? 15:21 lisac :) 15:21 Shara There'd need to be some danger to getting caught :) 15:21 Zeno` to see how it affects the "global" economy of NPC traders 15:21 Raven262 Hey lisac, you are hurting robot's feelings :( 15:21 lisac :( sorry poor robot 15:22 Zeno` the NPC traders, if programmed correctly, would have to try and respond in some way 15:22 lisac Zeno`, maybe we could have a sort of police 15:22 lisac and a whisper system 15:22 Zeno` "damage" is not necessarily the only approach 15:22 tenplus1 I was gonna add theif mobs at one point to roam around at night, if they get near you it'll steal an item in your hotbar 15:22 Raven262 xD 15:22 lisac where players can talk to each other silently, without others hearing. 15:22 Zeno` or both combined, yes 15:22 Zeno` this is not impossible to do 15:22 Raven262 How about add the ability for players to steal from each other? 15:23 lisac tenplus1, Thiefs? More like brutal death machines. I don't think a thief would run into you and steal stuff directly. 15:23 Zeno` Raven262, that would have no effect 15:23 Raven262 :P 15:23 Shara It would need to be a server set up specifically for this though I thikn, instead of just dropped into an existing server 15:23 Shara think* 15:23 Raven262 Yes, it would be minetest official trading system test - MOTST 15:23 Zeno` I don't think you'd add it to an existing server 15:23 lisac Yeah, maybe someone could start the mod, and host a server? 15:24 Shara SOmeone needs to make the mod first 15:24 Zeno` I will help if someone wants to write this mod 15:24 Raven262 lisac can do it. 15:24 Raven262 lisac can do it. 15:24 Raven262 eh, lisac? 15:24 * Shara will help if Zeno does it 15:24 Zeno` I'll even add engine changes if necessary (but I don't think they will be) 15:24 Shara But Zeno` should finish CRL first. 15:25 lisac Possibly. I'll just assist the more experienced devs. 15:25 Raven262 He'll do it then. 15:25 Raven262 :D 15:25 Zeno` CaevRealmsLite only needs some aliases added to it and then I'm finished with it and someone else can take it over 15:25 lisac maybe make a new channel for this? so that we don't spam #-hub? 15:25 Zeno` I'm not possessive 15:26 Shara Zeno`: So abandon the plans we had then? 15:26 lisac Also, some better name than MOTST? 15:26 Raven262 lol 15:26 Raven262 That was a joke lisac. 15:26 Raven262 You need some sense of humor to get it. 15:26 lisac :( 15:26 Raven262 Get it? 15:27 Zeno` Shara, I can't even remember them :D But if they're simple ones then of course not. But I am not possessive. If you want to be the maintainer of CRL then you can be. 15:27 Shara I would just like it actually finished as we agreed. 15:27 Zeno` My goal with CRL was to make a "lite" version of caverealms 15:27 Zeno` ok, PM me... I forget which bits are missing hehehe 15:28 Shara Silly Zeno :) 15:28 Zeno` I achieved the main objective though 15:31 nerzhul !tell srifqi yes it will be done just before 15:31 ShadowBot nerzhul: O.K. 15:31 Dumbeldor !tell nerzhul test 15:31 ShadowBot Dumbeldor: O.K. 15:32 tenplus1 wb nrz 15:34 tenplus1 hi Jordach 15:34 * Jordach fixed the wi-fi repeater on my laptop 15:34 tenplus1 what was the issue ??? 15:38 NathanS21 what logging level should I use to get print statements in my code to show in debug.txt 15:38 lisac tenplus1, I'm guessing it wasn't working 15:38 NathanS21 the menu isn't very clear on what the levels do, esp as the options doesn't even match what the examples show. 15:39 tenplus1 lol 15:40 shivajiva NathanS21 use 'action' so it gets printed is probably easy way 15:41 NathanS21 thanks, I'll try that. 15:41 Krock NathanS21, "print" alone doesn't get logged. However, you could overwrite this function with minetest.log("[level]", ... 15:41 Krock since it's overwritten by Minetest anyways 15:42 NathanS21 Okay, thanks. I'll try that out too 15:42 NathanS21 I've got a loop and want to figure out what is causing it, but I can't read the terminal fast enough, and nothing is saving to debug.txt 15:42 NathanS21 :D 15:43 shivajiva use minetest.log("action") as Krock said 15:43 Krock + the string to log, obviously 15:43 NathanS21 yes :) 15:44 NathanS21 I might open a bug report for the options in the menu, I'd think your options and the examples should match, so we don't have to guess which option is which. 16:05 lisac maybe there should be a way to get keypresses in CSM? 16:05 lisac for example, register_on_keypress(key_id) 16:05 tenplus1 that would be handy 16:06 lisac extremely handy. We could bind chat commands to keys. 16:06 lisac as well as bind teleport commands to keys. Handy for admins 16:06 lisac or bind things like 'Selling 20 stacks of cobble' 16:39 tenplus1 ooh, thunderstorm... 16:39 tenplus1 so much for good weather :D 16:41 red-001 cheapie, I don't think that -project needs to be logged anyore, it was redirected to #minetest 16:45 tenplus1 hi Dargod 16:48 paramat thunderstorm is good weather :] we had one too 16:49 tenplus1 yeah, cleans the air :) plus it was too hot today :D 16:49 * Wayward_One loves thunderstorms 16:49 * Shara was about to type that 16:49 tenplus1 ehehe 16:49 Shara Well, no need to guess why I was up half of the night sitting at the window :) 16:50 Wayward_One good for photography, as well as watching 16:50 Wayward_One lol 16:50 Shara my camera is kind of broken :( 16:50 Shara So no photography here 16:51 Wayward_One aww :( 16:54 Shara Was going to buy a new one... but every time I am about to, something more important breaks :P 16:55 tenplus1 havent used my camera in years... gotta save up for a holiday 1st :D ehehe 16:56 * Shara needs to check flights for one! 17:08 Raven262 tenplus1, can you help me on xanadu? I died at 7000 away from spawn and i kinda can't walk all the way back for all those stuff :P 17:08 Raven262 It took me about an hour to get there 17:08 Sokomine tenplus1: just give my traders a try....the only thing they can't do is walk around. they'll even take over your npc from mobs_redo if those still have the same interface 17:09 tenplus1 lol, gotta use that /sethome :)0 lemmie connect... d you have coords ??? 17:09 Raven262 yes 17:09 Sokomine lisac: that's right, currency on servers does not have much value. still, people love to collect it. it also makes exchanges of items easier 17:09 tenplus1 type em here 17:09 Raven262 -7222 3.5 -5.0 17:09 Raven262 there 17:09 Raven262 i just somehow fell off a cliff 17:09 Raven262 xD 17:11 lumidify Raven262: (yes, I know I'm 2 hours late...) btw, the sanity I have is just the bewarethedark mod, except that I fixed a bug in it. 17:11 tenplus1 will test 'em out Sokomine 17:11 Raven262 :D 17:12 Shara lumidify: which bug? 17:12 Raven262 It was just an example, lumidify 17:12 Shara Didn't think anyone else was seriously using that mod 17:12 Raven262 Not that i consider it a perfect enemy for minetest. 17:12 lumidify https://github.com/bendeutsch/minetest-bewarethedark/issues/2 17:13 Shara Hmm, can't say I experienced that 17:13 lumidify I do want to modify it a bit to have "good" players in Lord of the Test lost sanity in the dark and "bad" players like orcs lose sanity in the light 17:13 lumidify Did you use it on a server? 17:14 Shara lumidify: It's running on Dark lands 17:14 Shara Hmm, DL is now 222 days old. 17:14 lumidify Weird, it didn't work for me and also doesn't seem to make sense unless I completely misunderstood the code (which is possible) 17:15 Shara Would you mind checking if you get the issue on DL< when you have time? 17:15 lumidify Well, it's very obvious - the eyes just don't show up anymore after you've joined the first time, so I'm pretty sure you didn't just miss it... 17:16 Sokomine Shara: coalblocks are pretty nice for roads 17:16 Shara Yea... and I haven't really edited anything in that mod 17:16 Shara Sokomine: I don't really build roads :) 17:16 * Shara has a WhoAreYou for roads 17:17 red-001 sfan5, is there any need to log #minetest-project anymore? 17:18 sfan5 red-001: no and it's removed from the config already 17:18 sfan5 will take effect next time i reboot or restart the bot 17:18 red-001 oh ok 17:21 Sokomine skip that talking about stealing. that's not very helpful. neither mobs nor players should steal from other player's inventory. most servers are more reasonable and playable. if you absolutely want chaos go to an unmaintained abandoned chaotic server 17:23 tenplus1 lol 17:24 Sokomine Shara: that's convenient :-) 17:24 lumidify Shara: on your server the issue doesn't seem to exist, but when I try it with the unmodified bewarethedark mod locally, it doesn't work. 17:24 Shara Hmm, don't think my version is modified though 17:25 lumidify Well then, I guess it's just magic. 17:25 Shara It's one of the mods I keep wanting to really pick apart, because it feels messy, but I never found time 17:41 VaultyTowers back 17:43 tenplus1 wb 17:43 VaultyTowers tanks 17:51 tenplus1 Xanadu updated with new water flow tweaks and mob api death check for cooked items 17:58 rubenwardy lisac, I was planning on making a capitism/economy based server when exams are over 17:58 rubenwardy and exams are now over :) 17:58 rubenwardy and true: most games suffer from super inflation due to uncapped input into the system 17:59 rubenwardy ie: every kill gives you gold 17:59 tenplus1 wb Fuchs 18:01 red-001 what does $a mean? 18:01 paramat thanks 18:02 VanessaE apparently "all logged in users from this name" 18:02 VanessaE I just copied what Zeno` wrote. 18:02 sfan5 indeed 18:05 Zeno` yeah I made a mistake 18:06 Zeno` I only meant to ban logged in users of Grandolf 18:06 Zeno` which is what VanessaE did 18:07 red-001 but he is offline 18:07 Zeno` doesn't matter 18:07 red-001 is it all ips that use that nick in the future? 18:07 Zeno` if they're registered nicks (or linked nicks) yes 18:08 Zeno` I may have it wrong. But Fuchs can probably confirm 18:09 VanessaE ^^ Freenode needs a feature like what MT xban2 does 18:09 Fuchs hm? 18:09 VanessaE track but IP and nick, if one changes, auto-ban the new one 18:09 VanessaE s/but/both/ 18:09 Fuchs $a:foo bans everyone logged in to account foo 18:09 Fuchs see /quote help extban for details, we also support more 18:09 Zeno` yes 18:09 Zeno` so anyone logged into Grandolf is banned 18:10 Zeno` which is what I wanted 18:10 Fuchs yes 18:11 Zeno` my mistake was banning $a 18:11 Zeno` lol 18:11 Zeno` (forgot the colon) 18:12 Zeno` which is kinda funny really 18:15 Calinou ban *@*!* 18:15 Calinou :P 18:15 paramat garywhite1 please ask for voice if in this channel thanks, everyone should be voiced 18:15 Shara paramat: I don't think he's there. It is him though 18:16 paramat yes i saw a 'garywhite' here too recently alongside *1 18:17 Shara I know he was having bouncer issues 18:17 * paramat is paranoid :] 18:17 NathanS21 tenplus1; any reason that punching a node in a protected area should cause the protector mod to crash? 18:17 NathanS21 the error points to line 270 18:17 Shara I think a lot of people are right now. 18:18 NathanS21 which wants to get a digger player name 18:18 tenplus1 ? do you own the area 18:18 NathanS21 I do 18:18 NathanS21 I have a mod that adds a node that triggers a function when punched. 18:19 tenplus1 works fine here, which mod you running ? 18:19 NathanS21 one I'm writing. :P 18:20 tenplus1 line 270 is: local player = minetest.get_player_by_name(digger) 18:20 NathanS21 nevermind, must be my mod causing problems. 18:20 NathanS21 just commented out the code that checks for protection, and now it doesn't crash 18:20 tenplus1 lol dude 18:20 NathanS21 odd that it would list your mod as the one crashing though. 18:20 tenplus1 when you check protection are you giving a real player name ? 18:20 tenplus1 minetest.is_protected(pos, digger) 18:21 NathanS21 ohhh, that's what I'm missing 18:21 NathanS21 I just have a location 18:21 tenplus1 :) 18:21 NathanS21 I don't care who owns it, didn't think I needed to pass the player variable if I wasn't interested in it. 18:21 Jordach who is Vaulty 18:21 tenplus1 use "" in that case 18:21 NathanS21 will do, thanks. 18:22 tenplus1 hi gary 18:23 VaultyTowers Jordach, just another player 18:23 Jordach :thinking: 18:23 NathanS21 hey, it works now. :D 18:23 tenplus1 kewl :P 18:24 tenplus1 I shoudl add an error message if player is nil 18:24 red-001 oh yeah sorry for claiming you are halt/grandolf, VaultyTowers 18:24 VaultyTowers its cool 18:24 VaultyTowers I understand 18:24 VaultyTowers people do irrational things under the influence of fear 18:24 Jordach hrm 18:24 Jordach >opens MT on laptop 18:25 Jordach >dated Jan 13, 2016 18:25 Jordach *autistic screeching* 18:26 Jordach what's more stupid is, is that my laptop was susceptible to wannacry 18:26 VaultyTowers lol 18:26 Jordach was being a major word, since it updated correctly 18:28 tenplus1 added nil check to protector redo's is_protected function for digger name 18:28 tenplus1 git updated 18:30 Jordach Minetest needs a special config option like security.* 18:30 Jordach call it lua.* 18:30 rubenwardy ? 18:30 Jordach and like security, give Lua extra functionality like disabling crashing on nil comparisons 18:31 tenplus1 we need NaN checks for entities, something to sanitize if found with a line number showing location 18:33 lisac lisac, I was planning on making a capitism/economy based server when exams are over 18:33 lisac need help? :P 18:33 rubenwardy potentially, need to make more concrete plans about how it'll work 18:33 rubenwardy probably won't start it for another few weeks though 18:33 rubenwardy working on other projects 18:34 lisac okay, I've got some ideas, if you'd like to hear them. 18:35 VaultyTowers 170526 TROLLS TOO BAD SO SAD 18:35 VaultyTowers 1. The VPS host located behind Cloudflare has closed Red's complaint. Too bad, so sad. I've posted advice below which explains how the Minetest trolls can do better next time. 18:35 VaultyTowers 2. Red has now met the previous VPS host, the one that Red DDoSed. Then mocked in #minetest-hub. A real person, and a good one, not a faceless corporation. The conversation will be posted later. 18:35 VaultyTowers from minetest.org 18:35 * Jordach watches discord spool up on a 5200rpm 2.5'' HDD 18:36 red-001 let our troll be forgotten 18:36 VaultyTowers how would he know what goes on in here? 18:36 Jordach > Logs: http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/ 18:37 VaultyTowers aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah 18:37 Jordach does your IRC client not show /topic? 18:37 VaultyTowers it does but I forgot about that 18:41 red-002 https://pastebin.com/CEHQ17xM 18:43 * Jordach puts some CCR on 18:44 tenplus1 ?????????? 18:44 Jordach Creedance Clearwater Revival 18:45 Zeno` Jordach, are you serious?! 18:45 Zeno` Legendary! 18:45 Jordach Zeno`, ja 18:46 Jordach i have a 197x era tape of em somewhere at home 18:46 Jordach replace x with 0-9 18:46 red-002 https://pastebin.com/xFTm5YAw 18:46 red-002 I wouldn't call it a conversation 18:46 Jordach :thinking: 18:47 Zeno` Jordach, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu2pVPWGYMQ 18:47 red-002 anyway I don't see any point in using [off] 18:47 Zeno` *that* is a classic 18:48 Jordach Zeno`, just passed that 18:48 Zeno` passed it? 18:48 Jordach on spotify 18:48 Zeno` oh 18:48 Zeno` it's one of their most famous songs 18:49 Jordach aye 18:49 Jordach clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right... 18:49 Zeno` do you like Neil Young? 18:49 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh44QPT1mPE 18:49 * Jordach shrugs 18:50 Zeno` kinda the same era and just as awesome 18:50 Zeno` (if not more because this clip at least is live) 18:51 Krock Zeno`, I find his style very interesting. Looks somewhat unorganized 18:51 Zeno` Krock, yep 18:52 Zeno` Krock, but the outcome is... hmm... kind of amazin 18:52 Krock yes, it's great :) 18:53 Jordach Zeno`, doesn't help that my dad tuned my preferences to mid 70s -> mid 80s rock 18:54 Zeno` dunno what year that is from but it's certainly 70s 18:54 Zeno` 1971 (live) 18:54 red-002 ;( 18:54 Jordach Stevie Ray Vaughan, Judas Priest, Joe Satriani, Edgar Winter, Free 18:54 red-002 there go my dreams of being the last person in -project 18:56 Krock red-002, you can't win this game. Mission "Last man standing" lost 18:56 red-002 lol 18:57 * Shara is still in the running :P 18:57 red-002 I wonder whats going on I can't connect correctly 18:59 Jordach_ hotel IP assignment timed out lmao 18:59 red-002 garywhite, are you garywhite1 ? 18:59 * Wayward_One recommends https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYETAn7wE0Q 19:00 garywhite yes, that's my bouncer that I can't get into, long story... 19:03 tenplus1 wb 19:05 garywhite Hi ten 19:08 red-002 wb red-001 19:09 tenplus1 lol 19:10 tenplus1 so muchred :P 19:12 Fixer tenplus1: are you using some script that posts hi/wb/etc? 19:13 tenplus1 nope :P just me 19:13 Krock no, tenplus1 is using a time shifted IRC client 19:13 Shara :D 19:14 tenplus1 it posts 10 seconds in the past :D 19:14 Fixer Shara's server has good survival start 19:14 Fixer food is scarce 19:14 Fixer Shara: have you fixed that night bar problem? 19:14 Shara Insanely scarce currently. I think there's no public farm right now... 19:14 Shara Fixer: no one complained about it for quite some time 19:15 tenplus1 heh 19:24 tenplus1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k4VP0C4byY 19:25 red-001 well I guess that there is only one OC channel left now 19:26 garywhite red-001: How do you know? 19:27 red-001 one major channel thats linked to minetest 19:28 red-001 I'm talking about #minebest-dev 19:29 Shara Which isn't a #minetest channel, so can be left alone 19:29 red-001 #10 when searching for minetest 19:30 Shara So? 19:31 Shara He had (and still has) every right to make a fork named minebest if he wants 19:31 rubenwardy it looks just like minetest 19:32 Shara Site or IRC channel? 19:32 red-001 well at the very least the channel is in the wrong name space it should be in ## not # 19:32 red-001 he doesn't want to make a fork called minebest anymore 19:32 Shara red, he had the minebest domain though. And it is a different name even if close. 19:35 Shara I don't really know what happens with channels belonging to people who were banned from the network though 19:35 Shara So maybe ask freenode staff about that 19:35 red-001 Fuchs, ? 19:35 Fuchs ? 19:35 Fuchs nothing happens to them 19:36 Fuchs network bans are on the ircd, services (who register channels) don't know about them 19:36 Fuchs what might happen to double-## channels is that they expire so people can ask us to take them over 19:38 red-001 nice host 19:38 Krock heh :) 19:46 Jordach_ meow 19:46 tenplus1 h Jordach 19:46 tenplus1 *hi 19:49 Sokomine tenplus1: i've been playing around a bit with pathfinding and took a look at what was returned. the actual path didn't seem too bad - plants are no obstacles, stairs can be navigated. the place where the pathfinding fails is when doors and the like are involved 19:50 tenplus1 yeah, that one is an issue... always treated as a full block 19:54 red-001 170526 TROLLS TOO BAD SO SAD 19:54 tenplus1 which version of minetest was global_exists added ? 19:55 red-001 this guy is suppose to be over 50 right> 19:55 red-001 s/>/? 19:55 Sokomine maybe the pathfinding ought to be extended by another parameter: nodes the mob can handle (i.e. doors, gates etc. for "intelligent" ones) 19:55 tenplus1 a new pathfinding function has been written in forum, will check that out soon 19:57 Sokomine that one of burli? it seems to focus on getting mobs to the player 19:57 tenplus1 yeah but he made it so that certain nodes can safely be ignored 19:58 Sokomine that would be helpful 19:59 Sokomine i also wonder what will happen if two mobs will meet each other in a tiny corridor. deadlock? 19:59 tenplus1 which is better practice: local myfunc = function(args) or local function = myfunc(args) ???? 19:59 Sokomine or maybe random sliding past each other.. 20:02 Sokomine ah. ought to read the whole thread... 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:03:03] ask oldcoder 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:03:03] the cleint for MT on android is a complete mess. the alternatives are bad knockoffs with pay options 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:03:11] hes got like 10 servers 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:03:18] ther isn't even a client for microsoft mobile or Apple 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:03:33] oldcoders servers are pretty empty too. not? 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:03:42] yea 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:03:51] but he might b able 2 help 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:04:05] if you look at the userlists on minetest/servers, you will notice, that most servers only have a special kind of users: 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:04:21] generic names with 3 numbers. those are asian players, with some special kind off app. 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:04:23] For the record, Windows Phone & iOS are more closed-source, so it's harder to develop for them, & Android version is falling apart 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:05:01] sounds like ur servers r not functioning right 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:05:36] no server is functioning right anymore. either they are outdated, or have the issues of the new versions. 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:05:54] oldcoder has his own fork 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:06:02] servers work fine for a few users with good PC's. 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:06:40] oldcoder may be a good guy and coder, but even he cannot just completly redesign the protocolls used. 20:10 Krock for a reason there are services like pastebin 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:06:54] https://minetest.org/index.html#stone 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:07:12] hes a good coder 20:10 VaultyTowers [21:07:20] * You have left channel #XD (Leaving) 20:10 VaultyTowers yeah forgot 20:11 VaultyTowers i dont use it often because my CPU cant handle browsers 20:11 red-001 VaultyTowers, pls use pastebin 20:11 Krock red-001, ninja'd you 20:11 red-001 we are alll ninjas 20:12 * red-001 is confused by the paste 20:12 Krock VaultyLappy, well, there are also lightweight browsers around that work quite good for the most important 20:12 red-001 doesn't seem out of the ordinary 20:13 red-001 Fuchs, btw you can part #minetes-project now 20:13 * red-001 doesn't know if Fuchs is still there 20:13 Sokomine wasn't there a function to redefine a parameter of a defined node? (not via registering :modname:nodename) 20:13 Krock minetest.override_item 20:14 Fuchs red-001: thanks, but I am aware of the channel modes there, don't worry 20:14 Krock or minetest.registered_nodes["modname:nodename"].key = value (direct access method) 20:14 Sokomine red-001: we want to keep him for a while :-) perhaps he does get intrested in the topic of the channel :-) 20:14 Sokomine Krock: thanks! that's what i was looking for 20:14 Krock !next 20:14 ShadowBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 20:17 Fixer yeah, I confirm there are lots of NameXXX on servers, i have no problems playing major servers on my PC 20:17 Fixer "no server is functioning right anymore" what is this? 20:18 Fixer minetest is pretty solid on servers, 24 hr of uptime is not a problem, I have much more confidence in minetest these days 20:18 Fixer a LOT of bugs were fixed 20:21 Fixer i've reread the pasta, it seems that were his servers, he should update 20:21 VaultyTowers Fixer, no idea but this was from a friend 20:21 Fixer a lot of servers run just fine on newest dev engine and game without any problems, yet people hold on to 0.4.14... 20:21 VaultyTowers he was on #XD on Inchranet I presume 20:22 VaultyTowers im to lazy to update lol 20:23 Fixer minetest is not like microsoft, you have more cookies with each releases, even sneak is preserved 20:23 Fixer sn--k* 20:23 VaultyTowers lol idc if its there or not 20:24 Fixer somewhere after 0.4.12 up to this day minetest has seriously improved, both engine and game 20:24 Fixer i may be subjective though 20:25 paramat you are correct 20:29 Jordach_ Fixer, i remember getting upto at lest 4k hours MT uptime before it crashed due to /server's time=xxxxxxxx hit a limit 20:29 Jordach_ there was a point where it did that 20:31 Jordach_ it was either time or uptime when any player ran /server or connected to it for the first time 20:34 tenplus1 Mobs Redo API updated (again!) 20:36 tenplus1 nite folks :) 20:46 Fixer redcrab at 0.4.4 had uptime of X+E6 iirc 20:54 Jordach__ *autistic screeching at wi-fi* 21:11 red-arch huh I wonder why sofar set his profile image to a blank image 21:12 VanessaE probably because some asshole used his image to make that "sofart" profile. 21:12 Fixer like you don't know... 21:12 Fixer :} 21:12 red-arch yeah I wonder how long was that page using that image 21:14 lisac VanessaE, 'sofart'? :P 21:15 VanessaE yeah,. 21:16 VanessaE sofar's face + Nazi SS uniform or some such 21:16 VanessaE where the hell IS sofar anyway? 21:16 VanessaE (he hasn't spoken since the 18th) 21:16 red-arch hitler mustasch and a lufftwaffe officer cap 21:17 VanessaE is that what it was? 21:17 VanessaE close enough anyway 21:17 red-arch well I heard he was moving 21:17 Calinou that was it, yeah 21:17 red-arch or maybe the one who shall not be mentioned got to him 21:18 VanessaE I doubt it 21:19 VanessaE this is the same guy who took time off of work to fight us, then claimed that that was money he *spent* 21:20 Fixer antisystemd troll 21:21 Fixer ----- mentioned he contributed to ------- 21:22 Fixer iirc he was just busy 21:22 paramat by looking at logs at the time 'sofart' joined it was just after sofar had an argument with github user 'motherfscker', so i suspect that user 21:22 Fixer spam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=17726 21:24 VanessaE deleted. 21:24 sfan5 have i mentioned that phpbb is utter shit 21:24 Fixer VanessaE: thanks, but why not entire topic? 21:24 VanessaE just one more of Andrey01's useless posts.. 21:24 VanessaE Fixer: entire topic. all two posts. 21:24 red-arch sofart- Rider of the Apocalypse at @systemd. 21:25 Fixer VanessaE: ok, deleted now 21:25 Fixer VanessaE: i wonder why 1400 of inactive spammers don't spam... 21:25 Fixer maybe they all banned or smth 21:25 VanessaE idk 21:25 VanessaE maybe they were 21:26 red-arch this is the same guy who took time off of work to fight us, then claimed that that was money he *spent* 21:26 red-arch ?? 21:26 garywhite what about https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=17678 21:26 Fixer red-arch: please not this again 21:26 VanessaE red-arch: yes, you read that correctly. 21:26 red-arch oh you talking about coder? 21:27 VanessaE red-arch: the same. 21:27 VanessaE garywhite: that's in offtopic, don't see a big problem there. 21:31 Fixer overclocking is also offtopic for now, i had problems with my ATI because of that 21:31 VanessaE I never overclosk 21:31 VanessaE I never overclock, either. 21:33 Fixer every time I go view forum, there is azekill_DIABLO answering 21:34 Fixer oh 4484 posts 21:34 VanessaE heh 21:34 VanessaE well so let him jabber on as long as it's on topic and not hurting anything 21:34 VanessaE but ABJ got banned for like 2 weeks I think it was 21:35 VaultyTowers for what lol 21:35 VanessaE I don't remember now 21:36 Fixer VanessaE: i was not complaining, just curious 21:36 VanessaE ok 21:38 Fixer procrastinating on server again, need to add that lamps to my property :/ 21:40 Fixer also decided to watch direwolf20 modded mc series to go deeper into minecraft mods, i'm pretty impressed, modded mc has a lot of cool stuff as well 21:40 Calinou modded Minecraft is nice but it's a mess 21:40 VaultyTowers Fixer, what mods you wanna learn 21:41 VaultyTowers Calinou, not if its done properly 21:41 Calinou most mods are proprietary, asie's companing did not fix it much 21:41 Calinou most mod packs bundle inconsistent mods 21:41 Calinou mods being updated to the latest version is still an issue 21:41 Calinou (didn't FTB decide to stay stuck on 1.7 forever?) 21:41 Fixer VaultyTowers: general overview, direwolf20 also has mod spotlights, should not be a problem to watch, but what I've seen, it is impressive 21:41 Fixer Calinou: no 21:41 Fixer Calinou: at 1.10.2 now 21:42 VaultyTowers 1.7.10 is the best MC version for modding 21:42 Calinou it lacks the optimizations of 1.9+ 21:42 VaultyTowers naaaaaaaaaah 21:42 VaultyTowers when you play AS2 21:42 Calinou this is software; newer is better 21:42 VaultyTowers then you can talk XD 21:42 VaultyTowers not in modding 21:42 Calinou I don't follow the camp of "lol Windows XP was best" 21:42 Calinou and stuff in that direction 21:43 Calinou mods that require you to downgrade your game suck 21:43 VaultyTowers thats why we have technic launcher 21:43 Fixer Calinou: thankfully mc mods catch up, 1.10.2 is not that old 21:43 VaultyTowers and MultiMC 21:44 Fixer (((hacked MultiMC))) 21:45 Fixer for multimc you just DL server version of modpack, install forge, bingo 21:47 Calinou 1.11.2 is the latest though 21:47 Calinou and I believe it's ~3 months old already 21:49 VaultyTowers 1.11.2 sucks 21:50 VaultyTowers I can name 15 mods that are great on 1.7.10 21:52 VaultyTowers AE2, Thermal Expansion, Draconic Evolution, Thaumcraft, Botania, RFTools, Big Reactors, Ex Nihlo, Simply Jetpacks, Witchery, Zelda Sword Skills, Battle Towers, Chocolate Questing, Carpenters blocks, malisis doors, chisel 21:53 VaultyTowers did a few more 22:17 Fixer most of those should be on 1.10.2 by now 22:18 Fixer Calinou: 1.10.2 is good enough point 22:18 Fixer 1.12 will be mostly fancy stuff 22:20 Fixer big reactors also on 1.10.2 iirc 22:26 Fixer mom/mum/mam 22:26 Fixer *screeching* 22:43 Jordach__ Fixer, MC has been the reason why SP has polish, and for good reason 22:44 Fixer Jordach__: it was polished like for 6 years 22:44 Jordach__ Fixer, some commoners are the rule, not the exception 22:45 Jordach__ TE4, BC, AE, [J/Y]ABBA, LP, BM, RFTools 22:45 Jordach__ and ThaumCraft 22:45 Jordach__ being good polished examples 22:45 Jordach__ (Forgot IE) 22:47 Jordach__ Fixer, i intend to have a good source of automation, and power systems that are easily re-newable 22:47 Jordach__ like placing buckets of water onto a water wheel 22:47 Fixer i would like to see MTG moving in some direction 22:51 * Jordach__ just thinks about forking technic instead 22:51 Jordach__ shave off the crap 22:51 Jordach__ and make it simple 22:52 Jordach__ IE: unified power 22:52 Jordach__ aka no "voltage" 22:53 Jordach__ more RF like but with some changes 23:03 VaultyTowers who knows what oml means? 23:04 VaultyTowers cuz if you think its oh my lord, YOUR WRONG!