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IRC log for #minetest-hub, 2017-05-28

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00:49 rubenwardy garywhite: garywhite1 ?
00:50 garywhite Hmm?
00:50 rubenwardy there's another user called garywhite1, garywhite
00:50 garywhite oh, that's my bouncer that I can't connect
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01:48 Hijiri Jordach__: RF isn't network based like technic right?
01:49 Hijiri with TE stuff at least
01:50 Hijiri IE stuff is cool, though I haven't used it much
01:50 Hijiri Last time I played I was trying out magic mods
02:09 benrob0329 Hello
02:10 Shara Hi benrob0329 :P
02:10 benrob0329 what's up Shara?
02:10 Shara I don't know why I'm not asleep.
02:11 benrob0329 Heh
02:11 benrob0329 I'm trying to clean up my channel list atm
02:12 Shara But benrob, I'm sad with no you in my channel! :(
02:12 benrob0329 But I can't keep up with it anyways :-(
02:12 Shara Neither can I.
02:13 Shara That's part of the fun :P
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06:56 Krock no 10+1 here...
06:56 Krock o/ everyone
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08:48 Zeno` I am a unicorn!
08:48 * Zeno` prances around the channel
08:49 Zeno` fear my unicorn skills!
08:50 Zeno` Like making myself look like nyan
08:50 * Zeno` jumps up and down
08:51 iamaunicorn weeeeeeeeeeeee
08:52 iamaunicorn brb, brushing my mane
08:54 iamaunicorn guess what
08:54 iamaunicorn I'm not really a unicorn :)
08:56 Raven262 Oo
08:57 Krock are you drunk again? (just wonder)
08:58 mylittlepony no
08:58 mylittlepony just in a good mood
08:58 Raven262 Of course not, eh? xD
08:58 mylittlepony is there anything wrong with being a pony?
08:58 Krock yes. things.
08:58 Raven262 No, nothing is wrong imo.
08:59 mylittlepony yeah, nothing wrong
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09:00 mylittlepony this nick is no more absurd than "Zeno"
09:00 mylittlepony or "Krock"
09:00 mylittlepony or any other nick for that matter xD
09:00 mylittlepony I quite like it actually, it reminds me of rainbows
09:01 mylittlepony and lollipops
09:02 Raven262 And flamethrowers
09:02 celeron55 umm...
09:34 Shara Morning all.
09:34 Shara I see we acquired a pony.
09:34 red-arch indeed
09:34 * red-arch wonders who is still on #minetest-project
09:48 DS-minetest mmm, lasange
09:48 * Krock wants
09:50 DS-minetest oh oh looks like the pony will be eaten by a krock
09:54 shivajiva Hi mylittlepony, all skinny and bony o/
09:56 shivajiva *boney damn :P
10:02 Raven262 Greetings, Shara.
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10:12 Shara Hello Raven262
10:12 red-arch hi all
10:13 Raven262 Hello red-arch
10:15 Raven262 Spam complete, |RC, enjoy.
10:15 Raven262 xD
10:15 Raven262 Hello red-001
10:18 Calinou VaultyTowers: to be frank, I don't care much about gameplay-changing mods in Minecraft
10:19 Calinou what I use in Minecraft 1.11.2 is mostly VoxelMap (because not having a minimap sucks) and OptiFine (to have more graphics settings, mostly)
10:20 VaultyTowers reis minimap
10:20 VaultyTowers Vanilla sucks
10:20 Calinou is Rei's Minimap still maintained?
10:20 Calinou VoxelMap has a lot of good features anyway
10:20 VaultyTowers dunno
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10:34 mylittlepony Krock'o'dial!
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10:56 cx384 hi all
10:58 Raven262 Hello cx384
10:58 Krock hi cx384
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11:08 nerzhul hi all
11:08 nerzhul Krock, if you get time can you review #5839 bugfix please ?
11:08 nerzhul https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5839
11:09 Krock sure. *grabs patch*
11:11 Krock lol, this moment when the debug build will be done after the release one. fast compiling but from scratch  vs  incremental but slow
11:15 Krock well, it works .. but "core::stringw"? Is that another irrlicht-special?
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12:28 nerzhul it's in irrlicht yes
12:28 nerzhul Krock, sorry for to be late :p
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12:39 rubenwardy Hi all!
12:40 Raven262 Hello rubenwardy
12:45 Krock hi rubenwardy, octacian
12:45 octacian hey Krock
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14:11 Shara Okay, since someone, who I will not name, has called my loyalty into question, I'm stating the following, in public, with no hint of an off anywhere.
14:12 Shara I do NOT support what OldCoder is doing.
14:12 VaultyLappy ^
14:14 red-001 I wonder what is he doing now
14:15 benrob0329 Morning all
14:16 red-001 well if no-one pays any attention to him he will just be screaming into the void
14:16 shivajiva ^^
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14:16 Shara Yes, and I wish I had not needed to type that, but I'm sick of being doubted.
14:16 VaultyLappy saaaaame here
14:16 shivajiva hi benrob o/
14:17 * benrob0329 clears through OldCoder rubble
14:17 benrob0329 Hi
14:17 Shara I don't want any kind of confrontation with OC, or with anyone else for that matter. But I do support the people here and do care a great deal about MT getting over this.
14:17 benrob0329 ^
14:18 red-001 the best we can do is ignore him and let him be forgotten
14:18 VaultyLappy red-001, he's mocking you on his website or atleast making fun of you still
14:18 red-001 so?
14:18 benrob0329 https://itsfoss.com/openra-command-conquer/
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14:19 red-001 if he is isolated from the community then no-one that I care for will see that site
14:19 Zeno` red-001, you are named in his latest "blogs"
14:19 red-001 if someone read them could you give me a tl;dr?
14:19 red-001 I uninstalled tor and the site to too large for web archivers/screenshoters
14:20 red-001 can't be bothered to find an unblocked proxy
14:20 Zeno` tl;dr he calls you daniel and states that you DDOSed his server
14:21 VaultyLappy red-001, UltraSurf
14:21 red-001 well if he thinks that he is welcome to tell the authorities, I trust he has reasonable proof
14:21 Zeno` tl;dr he is going to send a letter to your parents (ROFLOL)
14:21 red-001 oh thats fun
14:22 red-001 don't worry they are used to crazy people (I have a few in my family)
14:22 Zeno` He's insane for sure (yep, I'm not using [off])
14:22 red-001 being crazy is his modus operandi
14:23 VaultyLappy ooooooooooooo a shrine
14:23 * benrob0329 gets buried in OC rubble again
14:24 Zeno` I encourage anyone who has been threatened by him to contact their local authorities (seriously)
14:24 * red-001 askes the UN to send peacekeeping troops to the minetest civil war
14:24 red-001 Zeno`, I would but I have IRL stuff I need to handle right now
14:25 octacian Seriously, OldCoder is plain weird, and maybe more. But couldn't we just settle with him? Last I heard he wasn't really asking for anything.
14:25 kaeza why should you?
14:25 octacian It's almost always the best way to go.
14:26 octacian It avoids huge amounts of trouble and frees your time for the things that are actually useful.
14:26 Shara octacian: Very serious question - after all that has happened, how?
14:26 kaeza ^
14:26 Zeno` Trouble? What trouble? The authorities investigating him is no trouble to me
14:26 octacian IMO, OC could be trusted before. And I have yet to see much that could make one suggest he couldn't be trusted (aside from the other weird stuff found on his websites), he was simply defending himself in a, uh, different way.
14:27 shivajiva your suggesting a bully is welcomed with open arms....
14:27 Shara I had a great deal of respect for him and very much dislike how things have gone, but I don't see a way to heal it.
14:27 Zeno` defending himself against what though?!
14:27 octacian Zeno`: Yes, but unless dealt with soon, this will cost the developers large amounts of time that could have been used to improve Minetest.
14:27 kaeza Shara, same here
14:27 benrob0329 A very, very, inappropriate way.
14:27 Zeno` There was no attack towards him
14:27 Zeno` So he had nothing to defend
14:28 red-001 he didn't just burn bridges, he bombed them
14:28 Shara I very much miss the person he was, but I don't have a time machine.
14:28 octacian Zeno`: From his perspective (this is what he's told me), you guys all turned on him. He reacted in a way that many people would have, he is just more capable than most to carry out what he says I mean, what did this start over? The sneak glitch? Really...
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14:28 octacian shivajiva: Yes, that's what I'm suggesting :P
14:28 Zeno` It's already lost us at least one (maybe 2) core developers
14:28 benrob0329 Hi Jordach
14:28 Zeno` Nobody turned on him
14:28 kaeza octacian, read the logs
14:28 red-001 Zeno`, who quit?
14:29 sfan5 > He reacted in a way that many people would have,
14:29 sfan5 doxing is perfectly normal
14:29 sfan5 nothing to see here, move along
14:29 Zeno` red-001, I will not answer that question
14:29 sfan5 maybe if you would read what you typed you would realize how stupid it is
14:29 Sokomine anyone with some pathfinding experience present?
14:29 octacian heh, AFAIK he only provided names of those who had already had them public
14:30 red-001 if everyone reacted like that society would colaspe within a month
14:30 Zeno` doxing is illegal in every country on earth (AFAIK(
14:30 red-001 maybe two tops
14:30 Zeno` it's illegal in all the big countries anyway; no questions asked
14:30 octacian kaeza: Yes, I have seen some of the logs. And TBH, I don't like what OC is doing, but I don't think he is entirely in the wrong.
14:30 Shara It is not so much providing names of people who have already given their names, it's all the rest there.
14:30 Zeno` doxing is illegal in the US and most EU countries
14:30 octacian Zeno`: Yes, but most (if not all) of the names he provided had already given their names
14:31 red-001 he tried multiple times to get my real name
14:31 red-001 enough said
14:31 * benrob0329 looks for a way to change the subject
14:31 VaultyLappy for those Euro people who don't know what an SSN is, its an Americans Social Security Number which is given to birth its what helps you through the years
14:31 kaeza red-001, your real name is Nanaki
14:31 octacian True.
14:31 kaeza we all know
14:31 red-001 kaeza, wtf
14:31 red-001 how do you know?
14:31 Shara kaeza: Yay! SOmeone else thought that :)
14:32 VaultyLappy I think only shiva knows my real name lol
14:32 sfan5 octacian: doxing is not primarily about revealing hidden information, it's primarily about collecting possibly public but strayed information in a single place to ease targeting a person
14:32 Zeno` baseless and contrived accusations of child sex crimes are illegal in EVERY country
14:32 octacian Seriously though, several of the people here really made OC feel as though everyone had turned on him, with the name calling, and other items - all over what I understand is a simple issue.
14:32 red-001 you can still dox a person even if you only look through public data
14:33 VaultyLappy i never called him names
14:33 VaultyLappy I just don't approve his approach to the issue that arised
14:33 Zeno` and, yet, that is what he has done
14:33 benrob0329 Most of us didn't.
14:33 Zeno` he did the same thing in 2005
14:33 red-001 I don't recall anyone calling him names
14:33 VaultyLappy hmm I do but elsewhere
14:33 VaultyLappy and privately
14:33 red-001 I do recall getting spammed by his alts because I questioned the party line
14:34 octacian Yes, I don't like his approach either. However, it seems as though that's the way he's used to dealing with things. Which is yet another reason why I'd IMO be best to just settle.
14:34 Zeno` he also said in 2005 that someone dead was still alive
14:34 Zeno` does any of this sound familar?
14:34 red-001 yes
14:34 benrob0329 what? Nooooo.....
14:34 red-001 huh which incident occured then?
14:34 red-001 the palemoon one occured in the paste few years
14:34 benrob0329 pale moon id assume
14:35 red-001 I think they said 8 months ago
14:35 octacian I could provide logs of people (including devs) who have called OC names and even seemingly threatened to DDoS him. However, I prefer not to point out who those people were
14:35 red-001 octacian, and who gave you those logs?
14:35 VaultyLappy octacian, my only issue is if he took a different aproach at what was going on I could say ok whatever its something stupidly small we should get over it, however the stuff he did and is still doing isnt helping his case
14:35 shivajiva asking someone to be mature and do their job moderating an issue should not result in bullying by pm and an escalation to this madness, fit for purpose? Doubtful, crossed the line? Certainly....vpn abuse to continue attacking....sure lets turn a blind eye and leave the whole thing in his capable hands.
14:35 octacian Yeah, all the stuff on those sites is plain weird, but seriously, everyone is different. He may be really different, but, can't we live with it?
14:35 octacian red-001: I watched it happen.
14:35 red-001 I trust it was an unbaised party with no stake in the situation?
14:36 octacian VaultyLappy: Yes, I agree fully there. However, at this point if we keep fighting him he will keep fighting us. If we stop fighting him, I doubt he'd continue.
14:36 Shara octacian: He declared war.
14:36 red-001 he droped the first bombs
14:36 benrob0329 octacian: I very much doubt that he'd stop
14:36 octacian Shara: Again, true. However, it was only as a result of the others who had in his point of view wronged him over some other issues.
14:36 red-001 this was just a minor disagreement over a new feature
14:37 octacian benrob0329: OldCoder wrote on his blog not to long ago that he was still more than willing to settle. And if that's not enough, he told me himself a while back.
14:37 shivajiva carrying a grudge was he octacian?
14:37 benrob0329 And then a fight, a fork, and a war.
14:37 Shara Settle how?
14:37 red-001 it's like responding to being sold broken phone by destorying the business that sold it
14:38 VaultyLappy red-001, what was the change like were the devs removing or keeping shift i dont remember
14:38 red-001 Shara, gag order I assume and a transfer of a large amount of bitcoins
14:38 benrob0329 VaultyLappy: changing it
14:38 octacian red-001: That's one way to put it. However, if the business that sold the broken phone provides the wronged with a new (not broken) phone, they will be unlikely to destroy (or attempt to destroy) the business.
14:38 VaultyLappy ah so just editing its functions
14:38 Zeno` In 2005 imaginary adversaries, according to him, also DDOSed him
14:39 octacian Zeno`: Yeah, I've looked through quite a bit of his stuff, and I must admit that most of it seems really weird.
14:39 benrob0329 *sigh* wth has happened around here
14:39 red-001 look don't try to look at his actions as you would at the actions of a normal person
14:39 red-001 he is clearly not mentally sound
14:40 Shara octacian: He actually 'can' say sorry, if he chooses.
14:40 octacian Yes, however, if we treat those who are not mentally sound as you would a normal person, that person will have a chance to improve.
14:40 Shara He actually could take down the things upsetting people.
14:40 red-001 https://pastebin.com/bK1qcu3A
14:40 octacian Shara: Yes, I agree. However, those items were only put up as a result of people upsetting him.
14:41 VaultyLappy octacian, if he had any desire to fix things he wouldn't be pasting those things about people like red publically
14:41 Zeno` There is also his threat of confronting me in Australia (which seems to have been removed)
14:41 VaultyLappy just throwing that out there
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14:41 benrob0329 octacian: how!? By stating that the devs didnt ddos him?
14:42 red-001 really like I told him before he can just move to a bloody armish community and never use the internet again for all I care
14:42 VaultyLappy XD
14:42 Shara If I did that to people who upset me...
14:42 Shara But I'm not like that.
14:42 red-001 I wouldn't miss him
14:42 shivajiva so nobody can upset him....wow I don't live in that world how come he gets to?
14:42 sfan5 octacian: i think there's one thing you don't seem to understand
14:42 octacian VaultyLappy: Different people have different ways of confronting others. Though it may actually be true that OC is in the wrong (however, I don't think he entirely is), he wasn't asking for that much as a settlement originally. Had it been accepted, the issue would not still exist.
14:42 sfan5 being part of a community is a privilege, not a right
14:42 octacian sfan5: I'm listening... :D
14:43 octacian That's true.
14:43 red-001 shivajiva, watch out you could hurt someones feelings
14:43 sfan5 also you mentioned "his way of dealing with things"
14:43 shivajiva like he's trying to....yea
14:43 sfan5 exactly because of how he deals with things he should not be allowed back
14:43 red-001 he is the sort of person that tells people not to paste pms and then does that himself
14:43 VaultyLappy octacian, thats like saying that ISIS's ways of handling things is the only way of doing it
14:43 sfan5 next time something happens he disagrees with this whole thing would happen all over
14:44 octacian That's another way to look at things. However, when we give people a chance they can change the way they deal with things.
14:44 octacian sfan5: At that point I would agree wholeheartedly that he should go.
14:44 red-001 octacian, he had a lot of chances
14:44 VaultyLappy octacian, its human nature, humans don't want to change
14:44 benrob0329 Threats, attacks, doxing
14:44 red-001 plus minetest isn't the first time he did this
14:45 shivajiva what organisation wouldn't remove an individual who behaved in this way for self preservation?
14:45 VaultyLappy ^
14:45 benrob0329 a little name calling by an angry dev does NOT account for all of that.
14:45 sfan5 octacian: while "giving a second chance" might seem moral, this would be done with the guarantee that he would eventually do the same thing again
14:45 red-001 ^
14:45 sfan5 and at that point you might just not do it
14:46 benrob0329 We've all been called names, been made fun of
14:46 kaeza BTW, he did this back around ~2013 IIRC
14:46 octacian Anyways, this conversation is getting nowhere, so, I'm gonna say my last item. OldCoder isn't entirely in the wrong like many of you think. I've personally watched several devs discuss how OC's server could be taken down, and have seen official logs of devs and other calling him names. I don't agree with OC's method of dealing with things, however, unless something is done with OC soon, the Minetest community will end up expending large
14:46 octacian amounts of energy that could have been used elsewhere.
14:46 red-001 look if this was the first time he went off the rails like this I might agree with octacian
14:46 Zeno` so people don't have to visit his vile site, there is this: https://pastebin.com/KcCy8tGS
14:46 Zeno` I am Craig
14:46 red-001 octacian, thats easy
14:46 sfan5 octacian: can you link me those "official logs"?
14:46 Zeno` He NEVER asked that question
14:46 red-001 just pretend he doesn't exist
14:46 kaeza I think it was over the LandMine problems
14:46 Zeno` I don't know why he made that statement
14:47 sfan5 also about wasting time: no time would be wasted if people did not keep brining this up
14:47 benrob0329 ^^^
14:47 kaeza ^
14:47 octacian heh, I agree.
14:47 Zeno` He is accusing me of being racist (apparently) and for anyone who knows me that is the furthest thing from the truth ever
14:47 Zeno` and he wondered why I called him a liar
14:48 benrob0329 Aaaaaaaaaaaaa...aanyways
14:48 Zeno` that question was NEVER asked
14:48 octacian So... someone got a new subject we could go off on?
14:48 sfan5 so can you link me those official logs or not?
14:48 Zeno` and if it was I probably wouldn't have answered anyway because it's a loaded question
14:48 benrob0329 AwesomeWM is scriptable in Lua
14:48 octacian sfan5: Once/if I can find them again, I will PM you.
14:48 sfan5 since you're making a pretty bold statement there without any proof
14:49 Zeno` sfan5, he states it at http://minetest.org/
14:49 octacian Oh, you're talking to Zeno xD
14:49 Zeno` search for Zeno or Robbins
14:49 sfan5 i am not
14:49 red-001 here didn't someone have back ups of his site?
14:49 sfan5 tho the logs you both are referring to might be the same
14:49 * kaeza looks up what "🍩" is
14:50 Shara octacian: I don't know what that is as it won't display on my client
14:50 VaultyLappy so lemme lay my point of view for a sec, say a man murdered someone, he'd be thrown in Jail or executed, if an autistic person (just using as a reference to prove a point) killed someone does that mean he can get away all scott free or with a lesser consequence? he still did wrong and gets equal punishment
14:50 benrob0329 Shara: donuts
14:50 octacian Shara: Wuh... It's supposed to be a donut :P
14:50 * Shara wanders off to find a doughnut (not even joking - I have some in the kitchen!!)
14:50 kaeza benrob0329, oh, my font doesn't have that glyph
14:50 Zeno` sfan5, http://minetest.org/ .... search my nick or real name (Craig, or Robbins)
14:50 * CWz_ deletes Shara's kichen
14:50 sfan5 kaeza: install an emoji font
14:50 kaeza "U+1F369 DOUGHNUT"
14:51 Zeno` (search yours as well)
14:51 red-001 VaultyLappy, so what if someone that doesn't belive in free will murders someone?
14:51 Zeno` it's all just made up rubbish
14:51 VaultyLappy same punishment
14:51 kaeza sfan5, have a link handy?
14:51 benrob0329 Ok ok this has gone on long enough
14:51 * kaeza googles
14:51 sfan5 kaeza: i don't
14:51 sfan5 since i just installed the win10 fonts package
14:52 sfan5 (which for copyright reasons is not available prebuilt)
14:52 benrob0329 Ewww MsFonts
14:52 red-001 really if someone uses the fact they are a hardline determisim as a defense they most likely need physcological help
14:52 kaeza sfan5, ah
14:52 kaeza and ew
14:52 Zeno` MS fonts are actually quite good heh
14:52 red-001 VaultyLappy, have you heard of the matrix defense?
14:52 * CWz hides
14:52 benrob0329 Noto fonts all the way
14:53 VaultyLappy yes/no
14:53 kaeza this PC has an XP partition, but doubt it has anything of value
14:54 Zeno` the statements he makes on his website are in my non-professional opinion not indicative of autism.
14:54 red-001 more then one person has been found not guilty by reason on insanity because they belived they were in the matrix
14:54 VaultyLappy Zeno`, i just used it to make a point
14:54 red-001 of*
14:54 VaultyLappy red-001, XD
14:54 kaeza except it seems to have Prince of Persia for DOS, and some old Win 3.1 games
14:54 Zeno` they are malicious and defamatory. Neither of which is something that I've seen published about autism
14:55 benrob0329 Inconsolata is also a nice font
14:55 Zeno` They're also lies
14:55 VaultyLappy never said he was lol
14:55 red-001 Zeno`, well it does cause impaired social interaction
14:55 Sokomine finally caught up with reading...
14:55 * benrob0329 sighs
14:55 VaultyLappy kaeza, gunna go play some Peggle XD
14:55 octacian Something ontopic. Is anyone aware of the issue where if you punch nodes/players quickly on a slow connection while moving you get sort of teleported around to the places you were in the past few seconds?
14:56 VaultyLappy yes
14:56 benrob0329 Sokomine: find something to change the subject, quick!
14:56 octacian And more specifically, does anyone know how to counter the issue - without just getting faster internet? lel
14:56 VaultyLappy nope XD
14:56 VaultyLappy rejoin
14:57 * Shara refuses to acknowledge CWz's antics and noms on successfully retrieved doughnut
14:57 Sokomine benrob0329: but...i just caught up with reading :-(. you all where discussing so much. and the matter matters to me. i would very much love if oldcoder could have his #minetest-project channel back and be back on irc. i just don't really see a way how that can be accomplished
14:57 benrob0329 octacian: that's an issue as old as MT itself
14:57 benrob0329 Sokomine: he was trusted, and now he is not
14:58 benrob0329 Trust is not bought
14:58 red-001 I would settle for him staying k-lined
14:58 * CWz rollback shara's donut
14:58 VaultyLappy moving off topic who's go theri grubby little mitts on a Switch?
14:58 VaultyLappy their*
14:59 Sokomine he..did not change so much in the past time. he always was a bit like how he is now. sadly, there's not really a way to prove that nobody ever did a dos attack on him. how could we? we all only know for sure for ourshelves and can consider it extremly unlikely that anyone else did either
14:59 VaultyLappy got*
14:59 benrob0329 Trust is earned. But when that trust is lost, there is often little you can do to earn it back.
14:59 Zeno` The other thing is that he "seems" (although I don't know) is that this is a civil case. The problem is that his allegations of child sex crimes makes it a criminal case
15:00 VaultyLappy yeah if someone could PM me what THAT was about id appreciate it :P
15:00 benrob0329 Ok, this is now going into the wtf zone
15:00 Sokomine VaultyLappy: what?
15:00 red-001 he better show some proof for that DDos attack then
15:00 VaultyLappy Sokomine, the child thingy
15:01 Sokomine ah. don't ask me. i have no idea about that :-(
15:01 Zeno` VaultyLappy, read the link I provided
15:01 VaultyLappy may I have repaste?
15:01 Zeno` http://minetest.org
15:01 benrob0329 moving on...
15:01 Shara From what I understand, that stuff was linked to another project, which also reported him to freenode. So because freenode got involved here too, he's now linking MT to that as well.
15:01 VaultyLappy oh that ive already seen what he said about that
15:01 VaultyLappy I just want all sides
15:01 benrob0329 Who wants to have a Lua scriptable WM?
15:02 * Shara also revokes CWz's rollback priv.
15:02 Shara Seriously CWz!
15:02 Zeno` The thing is that the allegations he made moved the case from civil law to criminal law
15:02 * benrob0329 rollbacks CWz's rollback
15:03 red-001 Zeno`, wouldn't his claims of DDos already do that?
15:03 Zeno` (and there is a HUGE difference)
15:03 Zeno` red-001, that as well because it's also a felony in the US
15:03 red-001 he is clearly going for a trial by media here
15:03 Zeno` but believe me, child sex claims are investigated a bit more than DDOS attacks hehehe
15:04 red-001 which wouldn't work out if he is ignored
15:04 Sokomine Zeno`: ah yes, probably. guessing from what else oldcoder states i think that he either misunderstood something gravely, mixed too many people up, or has a diffrent perception in that area than most other people
15:04 Zeno` Sokomine, he made similar claims in 2005
15:04 Zeno` there is no mistake in what he is attempting to do
15:05 red-001 Zeno`, links?
15:05 VaultyLappy afk gotta do chicken duty they need feeding and letting out for the day
15:05 VaultyLappy .
15:05 Zeno` this for a start: http://christfollower.me/page066.html#D151108SSN
15:06 Zeno` in it he claims that a deceased person is still alive (sound familiar?)
15:06 red-001 yes
15:06 Sokomine it'd be great if there'd be someone oldcoder could talk to who could help him sort things out. maybe someone whom he knows rl. with all those accusations and abuse of trust on his page he might have chased many of his friends here away
15:07 Zeno` you can read them all from that link
15:07 * Sokomine steals an egg from VaultyLappys chicken
15:08 red-001 Zeno`, so what are you suggesting?
15:08 Zeno` he also makes child abuse allegations in that link
15:09 Zeno` I am suggesting that this all seems very familar
15:09 Zeno` compared to his current allegations against minetest
15:10 Zeno` in fact, they are so similar that they're exactly the same
15:10 Sokomine Zeno`: maybe that comes from mixing up people. oldcoder doesn't believe me to be a real person either :-( he seems to think i'm half of the internet. but i'm just myshelf...and maybe that belief that dead people are still alive might be caused by the same misconception
15:10 octacian Seeing as I kinda started the extended discussion about OC, mind if we end it? :P
15:10 Krock what. I thought I'm the only real person in here
15:12 red-001 well if he wants to post made up stuff on a website he can
15:12 Sokomine octacian: i'm glad that you brought up a view that oldcoder isn't entirely bad. he isn't. he's just doing something very wrong right now :-(. if that could be settled in some way that'd be a gain for all
15:12 octacian ^ +1
15:12 red-001 I gain for all would be if he quit using the internet and did something useful with his time
15:13 rubenwardy all I did was disagree with him registering a trademark to take over the project, and now I'm getting threatening PMs and emails, and threats to contact work and family members
15:14 Sokomine hmm. he did contribute a lot. he runs several servers, places great value in perserving worlds, tried to solve conflicts, to improve code...
15:14 Shara I would prefer a peaceful answer, but I honestly feel he has gone too far for one to be possible.
15:14 Zeno` Ok, I'll stop. But I have an message to OC if he is reading this: Fuck Off
15:14 red-001 ^
15:15 * Shara changes topic back to "Minetest"
15:15 Sokomine rubenwardy: yes. that's the trouble :-( that is certainly not acceptable behaviour in any kind by him
15:15 * red-001 changes the topic to "Channel for saying hi to people"
15:15 red-001 hi
15:16 Sokomine Shara: i tried that unintenitonally when i came on :-) seems nobody has any idea about pathfinding
15:16 * Shara changes topic to "Shara needs more doughnuts"
15:16 * Sokomine follows the channel topic and says "hi people"
15:16 Shara Sokomine: Sadly I've never looked into it myself
15:16 Shara Maybe Ten would be someone to speak to about that?
15:16 rubenwardy I really think that doughnuts should be called doughnoughts, due to their shape
15:16 Sokomine yes, i did talk to him a bit about it yesterday
15:17 Shara rubenwardy: I just really think I should have more of them :)
15:17 Shara whatever the name.
15:17 rubenwardy Although not every one is torus shaped
15:17 rubenwardy hmmm. I want some now
15:19 Zeno` Wait. I just have one more thing to say to OC: Use my real name (Craig Robbins) on your blog. Please.
15:19 red-001 well he claimed not to read the logs, lets wait for him to contradict that
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15:19 * Shara makes 'shhhh' noises at everyone
15:19 Shara Hi LazyJ
15:19 LazyJ Howdy Shara ;)
15:19 kaeza Shara, oh crap you are a creeper now
15:20 kaeza everybody, run!
15:20 Shara Wait... creepers make shhh noises?!
15:20 Sokomine hi LazyJ
15:21 LazyJ Howdy Soko ;)
15:21 kaeza they kind of do. more like "sssssSSSSBOOM"
15:22 kaeza anybody recalls which mod added those, uh, mushroom-kind-of-thingies that exploded when a player was close?
15:22 Shara Not sure
15:22 kaeza they were nodes, not entities
15:22 Shara But I don't think I want to go BOOM
15:23 Zeno` boom, boom, boom, I want you in my room
15:23 Shara hehe
15:23 kaeza "Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering kaboom!"
15:27 * VanessaE hands kaeza the missing Q-38 Explosive Space Modulator
15:27 * Shara runs
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15:29 VaultyLappy back
15:29 VaultyLappy smelly beasts
15:32 * VanessaE quietly snaps away one of shara's donuts :)
15:32 Shara Nooooooooooo!
15:33 Shara Doughnut-ninja strikes again!!
15:33 VaultyLappy Sokomine, i want my egg back D:
15:33 Shara Hi VanessaE :)
15:33 benrob0329 Hi VanessaE, LazyJ
15:33 nore hi all :)
15:34 * nore eats the donut VanessaE stole
15:34 davisonio Hey
15:34 VanessaE NO!!!!
15:34 nore too late
15:34 benrob0329 Hi nore
15:34 nore delicious btw
15:34 nore :)
15:34 benrob0329 Hi davisonio
15:35 VanessaE fuck it
15:35 * VanessaE grabs a whole new box of Krispy Kreme
15:35 VanessaE :)
15:35 * benrob0329 thinks about the turkey cheese bagel he's about to make
15:35 LazyJ Howdy benrob0329 ;)
15:36 * Shara nabs the box and legs it while VanessaE isn't looking
15:36 VanessaE you ....
15:36 Shara :D?
15:36 * VanessaE grabs one of the donuts and squishes it on shara's head
15:36 Shara Guuuh!
15:37 * Shara changes topic to "food fight"
15:37 VanessaE FOOD FIGHT!!
15:37 VanessaE :D
15:37 Shara :D
15:37 * benrob0329 pickpockets VanessaE's donut she has behind her back and walks away
15:37 benrob0329 Don
15:38 * VaultyLappy lops off benrob0329's hand and tosses the donut down the garbage disposal
15:38 * benrob0329 regenerates
15:39 * VanessaE throws a pie at roben1430 :)
15:39 * roben1430 doges the pie, and throws a coconut, cream pie at VanessaE
15:39 VanessaE *splat*
15:39 VanessaE damn you.
15:39 * VanessaE sprays whipped cream at ben
15:40 * VaultyLappy messily eats chips above VanessaE
15:40 VanessaE heh
15:40 * roben1430 wonders where VanessaE got a time traveling can of whipped creap
15:40 roben1430 *cream
15:40 roben1430 Lol
15:41 VaultyLappy from Beedles Shop Ship XD
15:42 * roben1430 degenerates
15:45 behalebabo joined #minetest-hub
15:45 benrob0329 Hi behalebabo
15:50 Sokomine VaultyLappy: too late!
15:50 VaultyTowers XD
15:51 * Sokomine eats the last part of VaultyLappy's chickens egg
15:51 VaultyTowers nooooooooooooo
15:54 Sokomine that pathfinding is really very very odd. the path does not use the door but goes through a wall and a ceiling....
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16:09 Zeno` Krock, I am listening to your song!
16:09 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrdEMERq8MA
16:10 benrob0329 Perhaps what we need is a couple groups
16:10 benrob0329 Passable, and openable
16:10 benrob0329 Along with an on_pass and on_open
16:10 Zeno` pfft, always look on the bright side of death
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16:14 benrob0329 Hi stormchaser3000
16:15 VaultyLappy Zeno`, we respawn :D
16:16 Zeno` gosh now I have to try and remember everyone's songs
16:18 Zeno` celeron55's song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf2aIVKp1OY
16:19 red-001 hey can I have a song?
16:20 Zeno` dunno. These songs were established over a year ago
16:20 octacian red-001: How about the 🍩 song? Please tell me that actually exists... Not that I really care.
16:20 VaultyLappy mines Beedles Shop Ship
16:20 * red-001 can't see emoji
16:20 * octacian recently changed everyone's wallpapers in my house into donuts just for fun
16:20 octacian red-001: It's unicode... Seriously man
16:20 VaultyLappy lol
16:20 Zeno` no no no, people cannot choose their own songs
16:20 octacian Zeno`: WHAT? So unfair...
16:21 VaultyLappy aww come on XD
16:21 VaultyLappy mines funny
16:21 Zeno` nope, no choice. The song is assigned and not chosen by the person
16:22 red-001 hey where do I apply to get a song?
16:22 red-001 which forms do I need to fill out?
16:22 Zeno` Shara's theme song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSLPH9d-jsI
16:22 octacian 😞 <- How many people can't see this? heh :rotfl:
16:23 Zeno` I can't see it
16:23 red-001 I can see that
16:23 VaultyLappy i can
16:23 benrob0329 VaultyLappy's theme song: https://youtu.be/Hb9FwlubyIQ
16:23 red-001 it's a sad face emo ji
16:23 octacian Wait... Most of those emoji are unicode 6. Maybe some of you have an older version of unicode?
16:23 * DS-minetest can see 😞
16:23 Zeno` that is NOT VaultyLappy's theme song
16:23 red-001 octacian, shitty fonts
16:23 benrob0329 Lol
16:24 VaultyLappy XD thank god
16:24 VaultyLappy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwsem2Lxvb0&amp;t
16:24 octacian IK absolutely nothing about fonts though...
16:24 Zeno` VaultyLappy's theme song is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMT698ArSfQ
16:24 VanessaE fonts-symbola == unicode 7.0
16:24 VanessaE I can see the smiley
16:24 VaultyLappy Zeno`, NO XD
16:24 VaultyLappy mine is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwsem2Lxvb0&amp;t
16:24 Zeno` too late. It's assigned :P
16:25 VaultyLappy no XD
16:25 * octacian is scared to open the assigned song...
16:25 * octacian regrets clicking that link
16:25 Zeno` why?
16:25 Shara Seriously people.
16:25 Shara Only Zeno` can assign theme songs.
16:25 Zeno` it's their theme song
16:25 octacian 😂
16:26 DS-minetest flop flopp floppy 
16:26 VaultyLappy octacian, methinks this is better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwsem2Lxvb0&amp;t
16:26 benrob0329 octacian: we ALL regret clicking the link XD
16:26 * Shara is quite fine with her song
16:26 octacian This, for example, is kinda real music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgM_JCJkOeU
16:26 octacian :P
16:27 VanessaE no song can adequately describe me :)
16:27 Shara Zeno`: I think you have a challenger :)
16:27 red-001 To all those that it may concern, I would like to lodge a formal complaint about my lack of theme song, this is simply not acceptable considering I took the time to write to long and ultimately pointless complaint
16:28 red-001 well this is getting too meta
16:28 octacian Also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mcoqq11tXfA
16:29 * benrob0329 backs away slowly from the theme song generator
16:29 DS-minetest lol, what about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEpcjgYHE4U
16:29 VaultyLappy red-001, your is "Everybody poops" by bad lip reading
16:30 octacian DS-minetest: wth...
16:31 octacian What about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R36VmZPpRX4
16:31 octacian :P
16:32 Zeno` Sokomine's theme song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWm2MIKCuwQ
16:34 Sokomine !title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWm2MIKCuwQ
16:34 ShadowBot Sokomine: Error: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 4KB.
16:34 Sokomine oh :-( how shall i find out now what my song is?
16:34 octacian Sokomine: It's freakishly weird but doesn't sound terrible
16:34 Zeno` Alphaville For ever Young remix 2015 HD
16:35 Sokomine hm. not that that does tell me much either...
16:35 octacian It's a perfume commercial :rotfl:
16:35 Sokomine oh :-(
16:35 VaultyLappy simply ageless coverup
16:37 Zeno` ah, but nobody can name the model ;)
16:37 DS-minetest or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5BSvwOYwxg
16:39 VaultyLappy I hear you like prancing about like an idiot is this true?
16:39 * VaultyLappy prances about in the background ladedadedadadadoooo
16:39 VaultyLappy well I guess that should answer my question
16:40 DS-minetest i see a big problem with main menu in the start time of minetest
16:41 Zeno` (it's Lindsay Lohan btw)
16:42 Zeno` looks exactly like Sokomine
16:44 benrob0329 Zeno`: you know Sokomine irl?
16:45 octacian #1: I have no clue who that is. #2: No one really cares who the model is :P
16:46 octacian heh
16:46 Zeno` red-001's song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YUXIKrOFk&​amp;list=PLyQYtBDMwqmMX-FUsJWNNmnpbpIWfaoC-
16:47 red-001 could be worse
16:48 Zeno` true
16:48 octacian I'm not so sure about that
16:48 * Jordach_ purrs
16:49 octacian uh, Yeah....
16:49 * benrob0329 sees title
16:49 * benrob0329 runs
16:50 octacian And it sounds freaking horrible too :P
16:51 DS-minetest and if you are in main menu, you think, the voice comes from beyond the clouds. wth, sam, what are you saying
16:53 Zeno` octacian's song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4mKGxI8t8c
16:53 Zeno` nice foot work, octacian
16:57 Zeno` DS-minetest's song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pEho5tqwfE
17:00 DS-minetest eh, too bad sound quality X3
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17:00 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wBDA-ZDaBs then
17:02 octacian Zeno`: You gotta be kidding me
17:02 Zeno` I'm a very serious person
17:03 octacian I mean, not as bad as many of the others. But still kinda weird IMO :rotfl:
17:03 red-001 russia?
17:03 red-001 russiann?*
17:03 red-001 -n
17:04 Zeno` bugarian I think
17:04 Zeno` bulgarian*
17:04 red-001 yeah it seems BTV is Bulgarian
17:04 octacian OK.... that was weird.......
17:04 Sokomine octacian: ah. thanks for the translation :-)
17:05 DS-minetest Zeno`: meh, rather not
17:05 kilbith hey
17:06 octacian Zeno`: Can I have mine reassigned to this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R36VmZPpRX4
17:06 octacian :P
17:06 octacian WAY better
17:06 Sokomine benrob0329: i'm pretty sure i don't know zeno irl. at least i'm not aware of it. didn't he say something about living in australia? that's almost the other side of the world, and i've never been there. so it's rather unlikely that we know each other
17:06 red-001 <Shara> Only Zeno` can assign theme songs.
17:06 DS-minetest the music has to be subtle, open source, not annoying, rather short (because of disk space) and nice
17:06 red-001 Sokomine, ?
17:07 red-001 oh nvm
17:07 octacian red-001: Yeah, IK.. But that means Zeno` could also re-assign at request if he so chose :P
17:07 red-001 I though we were back to the topic of the nameless one
17:08 Zeno` since you asked nicely I'll reassign it to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW0dt6HT9Hk
17:09 octacian I really regret asking.
17:09 octacian That is even worse :rotfl:
17:09 Zeno` lol
17:10 octacian >_<
17:10 Krock octacian, here, something to clear your brain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBGSJ3sbivI
17:11 octacian O_O you gotta be kidding me. I can't decide if that's weirder or not... IDK if it can get weirder
17:11 Stone-Talus those damn Guardian scouts suck
17:12 octacian Seriously though, what is up with you people and your music tastes?
17:12 Krock did you even click my link? o.o
17:12 octacian Yes. And I kinda regret it
17:13 Krock oh. I thought that would be good music :'(
17:13 Sokomine octacian: don't like your assigned song? :-)
17:13 octacian heh, You guys have far different tastes in music than do I... :rotfl:
17:13 Sokomine guardian scouts? what are those?
17:14 Sokomine octacian: i don't have any. not intrested in music. it's just noise to me
17:14 octacian heh
17:14 Zeno` what's wrong with it? It seems kind of cool to me
17:14 octacian heh, IRDK
17:15 Zeno` ok I will reassign your song just one more time
17:15 * octacian prays it's good
17:16 Zeno` of course it will be
17:16 Krock octacian, to what kind of song would you like to be assigned?
17:16 * octacian thinks...
17:16 octacian IDK, I'm not really aware of the different types. heh
17:16 Zeno` octacian's final assigned song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
17:17 Krock I smell rickroll
17:17 octacian >_<
17:17 Krock AND IT IS
17:17 octacian Krock: You called it
17:17 Krock BOOM
17:17 Krock oh shit. it passed 2 million likes
17:17 octacian This is what's called good music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R36VmZPpRX4
17:17 Krock and nearly 96000 weren't happy about being rickrolled
17:17 Zeno` speaking of which have you seen the factorio rickroll?
17:18 Zeno` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kry8lbrHjeY
17:18 Zeno` when minetest can do this I'll be happy
17:19 Krock octacian, very similar to Coldplay... in the first 50 seconds
17:19 octacian Yeah, the first 50s = the best part :rotfl:
17:20 * octacian really needs to do something useful with what remains of his weekend...
17:20 Krock you have about 5 or 6 hours left
17:20 octacian Nope, PST
17:21 Krock oh? I thought you were from GB
17:21 octacian But either way, that'll be practically it seeing as I have to go somewhere at 3:30 this afternoon...
17:21 octacian GB?
17:21 Krock not-so-great-britain-anymore (brexit)
17:21 octacian Ah, I see. Nope though, Canada :D
17:22 Krock was almost right.. just missed it by some few megameters
17:22 octacian :rotfl:
17:23 octacian Wait... That link was to the wrong song? That explains why youtube-dl just gave me the wrong thing. Although, I don't mind :rotfl:
17:23 Sokomine octacian: build a house, write a mod, fix an issue on github, go out and enjoy the nice weather...enoguh to do :-)
17:23 octacian Here's what I meant to link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABs49waOliw
17:23 octacian Sokomine: heh, Sounds like a plan to me. And actually pretty close to what I'll be doing come late June when the lakes warm up :D
17:23 Sokomine good to hear, octacian :-)
17:24 octacian In the meantime though, gonna be working on some WP websites
17:29 Fixer f---ck, so much logs to read
17:30 red-001 f
17:31 red-001 I found a solution to that
17:31 red-001 not reading them
17:31 Fixer Krock: perfect rickroll https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfeervqhY9Y
17:32 Krock already seen
17:32 DS-minetest the first i found, that would suit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?​v=BLoHAZr4_mQ&amp;feature=plcp
17:32 red-001 but yeah the discussion about the nameless troll flared up again
17:34 VanessaE red-001: nah, SenileProgrammer ;)
17:35 DS-minetest Zeno`: could i please have this song: http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/in​dex.html?isrc=USUAN1200067&amp;Search=Search
17:36 red-001 well thats an acceptable name of them
17:36 red-001 for*
17:38 red-001 anyway for those that follow the "blog" of the nameless coder I assume there will be a post about today soon
17:38 red-001 or as someone pointed out a copy and paste of an old blog post
17:39 red-001 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6G3gB7DksA
17:39 red-001 !title
17:39 ShadowBot red-001: Error: That URL appears to have no HTML title within the first 4KB.
17:39 red-001 lol
17:40 DS-minetest imo that's not minetestty
17:41 octacian Fixer: Yes, I'm aware, it doesn't mean that one can't work with him though. However, at this point, I prefer to leave the topic be.
17:42 VanessaE Fixer: forget [off]
17:42 VanessaE don't even bothert
17:42 VanessaE let it go into the logs
17:42 red-001 yeah
17:42 VanessaE he reads the channel somehow anyway, so it's not like it matters
17:42 octacian Wait...  does [off] stuff not go into the logs?
17:42 VanessaE octacian: correct.
17:42 red-001 VanessaE, someone leaked it to him
17:42 VanessaE but only the official logs respond to it
17:42 octacian He probably has some user just sitting in here somewhere
17:42 VanessaE red-001: same difference :-/
17:42 red-001 one of his leakers quit his network over this already
17:43 VanessaE oh yeah?
17:44 red-001 anyway there is no point in [off]
17:44 red-001 no need to hide when he is activitly at war
17:45 red-001 actively*
17:45 VanessaE exactly
17:45 VanessaE someone told me earlier that he's starting to try to target ME now, btw.  apparently I am "persnickety".
17:46 VanessaE and for reasons I can't even begin to guess at, he's added Abe (my husband) to the list of people to pursue.
17:46 DS-minetest wait, those two persons that have "bot_" and "Bot" at the end, are they good?
17:46 VanessaE (for the record:  I have not said a single word to him since May 21 21:38:17 EDT.
17:46 VanessaE )
17:47 VanessaE is our official logger
17:47 VanessaE RubenBot is rubenwardy's bot, idk what it's for
17:47 red-001 VanessaE, ignoring [off]
17:47 Krock RubenBot is somewhat evil. It's basically the monster under your bed
17:47 DS-minetest ah, ok
17:48 VanessaE red-001: eh?
17:48 DS-minetest and RubenBot makes much smoke?
17:48 VanessaE RubenBot makes sandwiches :)
17:49 red-001 Zeno`, ?
17:49 VanessaE er
17:49 red-001 who did you just ban?
17:49 VanessaE that's kilbith
17:49 Sokomine hm. sandwiches are not particulary intresting. they don't taste too well. so if it's a monster under the bed...
17:49 Zeno` yeah, and I just banned him
17:49 kilbith you sure it's me?
17:50 * Sokomine takes out her sword and aims it at the bot (but only if the bot dares to scroll :-))
17:50 VanessaE Sokomine: you've never had a proper Reuben sandwich then
17:50 VanessaE Zeno`: why?
17:50 kilbith was kicked by Zeno`: kilbith
17:50 Sokomine what are reuben?
17:50 diegom what
17:50 Sokomine er? why kick kilbith?
17:50 diegom wtf Zeno`
17:50 VaultyTowers what did Kilbith do?
17:50 VanessaE Sokomine: corned beef, sauerkraut, thousand-island dressing, on toasted rye bread
17:50 Zeno` for disclosing details of a PM
17:50 DS-minetest bäh, turnip sandwiches
17:50 red-001 Fixer, I think he is also offended by the world
17:51 VaultyTowers ah
17:51 red-001 not sure how the nameless one could solve that
17:51 VanessaE Zeno`: un-ban him, give him a break
17:51 Sokomine VanessaE: ah. could be tasty
17:51 Zeno` you unban him :P
17:51 VanessaE Sokomine: when made properly to die for.
17:51 VanessaE they're to die for*
17:51 Sokomine :-)
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17:52 Zeno` wb
17:52 VanessaE kilbith: don't re-share personal info back and forth.  it's bad form.
17:52 Sokomine VanessaE: any really fresh and still warm bread is great :-)
17:52 VanessaE (and it's part of what's been fueling the rage back and forth with OC)
17:53 Shara It's a good thing I am not the type of person some claim, or I'd be the one handing out some bans right now :)
17:53 diegom uh, did I miss something?
17:53 octacian diegom: Yeah, the OC apocalypse has begun.
17:53 VanessaE I'm trying to keep mostly neutral  :P
17:53 kilbith I'll keep being transparent and reveal the whole extent of his hyprocrisy, sorry
17:54 Zeno` kilbith, if you EVER share something I said in PM to you again don't expect me to back down so quickly, ok?
17:54 Sokomine banning is very seldom necessary. mostly if a bot got out of control and starts spamming the channel
17:54 Shara We really need a #minetest-drama channel.
17:54 VaultyTowers lol
17:54 Shara If someone makes it, please ban me immediately.
17:54 Shara I don't want anymore.
17:54 Sokomine but yes, things said in privacy ought to stay there
17:55 VanessaE people, people...
17:55 VanessaE calm down
17:55 DS-minetest +
17:55 kilbith Zeno`, feel free to ban me if you want, if it can help you feel you better
17:55 VanessaE please
17:55 Sokomine Shara: *g* you could send all those i-want-to-be-a-baby-players there!
17:55 VanessaE you too, kilbith
17:55 kilbith I don't really care of this channel
17:55 Shara Sokomine: Yes!! Please!
17:55 VaultyTowers gogo wawa
17:55 octacian This conversation is getting us nowhere.....
17:55 DS-minetest +
17:55 octacian :P
17:55 VaultyTowers look at the little baby (baby giggles)
17:55 VanessaE OC is trying to turn this channel into a war zone
17:55 VaultyTowers now look at the big baby
17:56 VanessaE can we PLEASE not let that happen?
17:56 VaultyTowers (deep voice) Wa
17:56 * DS-minetest just adds his + P:
17:56 * Shara eats the +
17:56 Shara The only type of fighting allowed here is what happens when VanessaE steals the doughnuts.
17:56 DS-minetest hey, ink isn't healthy
17:56 VanessaE oh no no no no
17:56 VanessaE all the donuts are mine mine MINE! :)
17:57 nore is me eating them allowed as well? :3
17:57 * VaultyTowers calls dibs on doughnuts
17:57 DS-minetest dount do that ;)
17:57 Sokomine fine. have them. there's more deliscious food :))
17:57 DS-minetest the sandwitches?
17:57 Sokomine did i tell you that i had cake last weak that was a *huge* and *deliscious* and *big* piece of cake? ate two of them - and couldn't eat anything else that day
17:58 red-001 wait what just happened?
17:58 VaultyTowers mmm Dew-S-A
17:58 DS-minetest red-001: most likely the topic is a food mod
17:58 VaultyTowers I SAID DEW S A
17:58 Sokomine and they had a huge variety of cakes to choose from as well :-) normally the pieces cut and sold tend to get tinier and tinier. this one was biiiig
17:58 VanessaE Fixer: no [off].
17:58 VanessaE forget [off]
17:58 VanessaE it doesn't help anyway
17:59 Sokomine Fixer: you're perfectly right about that
17:59 Shara nore: I may pay you in doughnuts to fend her off.
17:59 VaultyTowers only thing [off] is good for is hiding from the players in game or vice versa :P
18:00 Sokomine off could still be good to not fill the logs with this discussion. maybe we ought to include our food discussion as well
18:00 DS-minetest [on] where's the switch?
18:00 benrob0329 ]off[
18:00 Sokomine hm, i thought of off more of a way to not spam the logs
18:00 DS-minetest pff, is anyway anyone reading logs?
18:00 Shara Some people do.
18:00 Sokomine just make it a big red switch and write "do not press this switch" on top
18:01 benrob0329 [^] <-- here is the switch
18:01 DS-minetest poor people.  YES, I SPEAK WITH YOU
18:01 benrob0329 You just need to find an upside-down version of ^
18:01 Sokomine benrob0329: v could do
18:01 Krock [v] <-- there is the same switch, just disabled
18:02 benrob0329 Oh yeah
18:02 benrob0329 didn't think of that
18:02 VanessaE [<]  <--- rotated it with a screwdriver
18:02 Zeno` kilbith, how about I reboot into linux so I can post the log of the last conversation with you where you told me that if I didn't modify and remove VanessaE from credits you would not be my friend anymore?
18:02 VanessaE that didn't need repeated in here, Zeno`
18:02 kilbith sure, go for it
18:03 benrob0329 Wth
18:03 Zeno` I think it did need to be repeated in here. I made a PR
18:03 Zeno` kilbith threatened to "not be my friend" if I didn't remove VanessaE's name
18:03 kilbith go show the logs to Vanessa please
18:04 Zeno` and I am sick to death of all the threats
18:04 Zeno` brb, rebooting
18:04 kilbith nice of you, thanks
18:04 VanessaE Fixer: no [off] please
18:04 VanessaE we're not starting that shit again
18:04 octacian kilbith: Why would you want VanessaE's name off the credits?
18:04 octacian On second thought.. I may regret asking that
18:04 VanessaE octacian: because I'm not a core dev, I'm a contributor in other ways.
18:04 * nore doesn't understand what is happening
18:05 Krock finally bury the topic
18:05 VanessaE I don't care one way or the other about my name appearing in the "active" part of the credits.
18:05 Sokomine #minetest-project as such was imho a full success. it's just found to be good and officially continued in #minetest-hub
18:05 Fixer thats why I said devs should make some kind of automatic credit page, based on git info
18:05 octacian heh, I honestly wouldn't worry at all about the credits section
18:05 * Shara thinks maybe only the devs should be listed and just have done
18:05 Krock nore, the never ending stories of whose-name-shall-not-be-said and the Minetesters
18:05 octacian Shara: That would simplify things a lot.
18:06 VanessaE everyone PLEASE STOP already!
18:06 VanessaE ENOUGH
18:06 octacian heh
18:06 nore ^ +1
18:06 kilbith no, he has not shown the logs already
18:06 Fixer but i was afk, i want more drama
18:06 VanessaE we don't need to see them
18:06 octacian Speaking off the previous topic, we really need a #minetest-food :P
18:06 Stone-Talus id love to join dev but i dunno how to code so
18:06 Sokomine octacian: that's a good idea :-)
18:06 * VanessaE throws a cheeseburger at octacian
18:07 Fixer CYBEROPENMOUTHED
18:07 VanessaE Stone-Talus: learn Lua.  contribute to builtin or minetest_game
18:07 Sokomine but then we'll starve on this channel? if there's no food to feed us hugry people?
18:07 * kilbith feels like a fish in water in drama time
18:07 octacian Trueee...
18:07 Stone-Talus VanessaE, I hate doing lua, I tried with Computercraft and found it annoying
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18:08 VanessaE Stone-Talus: Minetest Lua API is easy to use
18:08 kilbith welcome back
18:08 Stone-Talus im just good with ideas lol
18:08 VanessaE I've coded quite a few mods in it, and the API is reasonably capable too
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18:08 VanessaE the game content is written with Lua also
18:08 Sokomine Stone-Talus: like VanessaE said. lua isn't too tricky :-) and even the engine isn't. and even if you can't contribute there - there's more than enough you can do. modding, creating textures and models, or building impressive things on servers, or just chatting with players and having a good time
18:08 Krock even writing mods is a form of contributing
18:08 Zeno` https://pastebin.com/dKjauurp
18:08 Zeno` there you go, kilbith
18:09 Fixer credits is so minor issue, they should be automated
18:09 benrob0329 Even AwesomeWM is scripted in lua
18:09 Stone-Talus i can definitely build thats why I took a construction class lol
18:09 kilbith Zeno`, also note I've releaved the private infos in private, you're doing it publicly
18:09 VanessaE benrob0329: it is?  cool.
18:09 kilbith but thanks anyway, I'll go farther than you next time ;)
18:09 benrob0329 VanessaE: yes, which is why I want to try it for a while
18:09 Fixer long list can be solved by simply using some simple script with git history that shows up top 20 contributors or smth
18:09 sfan5 why is there so much drama over minor things
18:09 VanessaE benrob0329: nah, I'll stick to xfce. :)
18:10 * Sokomine throws a cake at Zeno` and kilbith so that both are busy eating :-)
18:10 Zeno` kilbith, my PR is trivial
18:10 Krock sfan5, asking myself the same question actually
18:10 kilbith sfan5, because it's fun!
18:10 benrob0329 It also means that it compiles in less than a minute :P
18:10 Stone-Talus VanessaE, if you need something built on a server I can do it XD
18:10 Stone-Talus i Have a geometeric way of thinking lol
18:10 VanessaE Stone-Talus: you're welcome to play on my servers :)
18:10 * DS-minetest wants a cake, too
18:10 kilbith Zeno`, I mean you do leak private infos here, publicly
18:10 VanessaE just don't go building any penises or swastikas :P
18:10 Stone-Talus just hope they run on my 4 gigs of RAM
18:10 Stone-Talus not an issue XD
18:11 Stone-Talus I usually do 8 bit things
18:11 * Sokomine hands a piece of cake to DS-minetest as well
18:11 Fixer 8 bit swastika
18:11 VanessaE Stone-Talus: the Survival server should, barely, as long as you aren't using HDX.
18:11 * Fixer runs
18:11 * DS-minetest is happy :D :| :D :|
18:11 VanessaE Fixer: I say that because people have done both before :-/
18:11 Fixer VanessaE: btw, i don't remember swastikas at all since 2011, probably my memory is at fault
18:12 Krock 8 bit remove kebab
18:12 VanessaE Fixer: they get removed as quickly as they get built.
18:12 Fixer VanessaE: thats on your server
18:12 Fixer VanessaE: in 2011 i've seen dicks only
18:12 Fixer 2012 too
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18:12 VanessaE Fixer: more recent, like a few months ago
18:13 VanessaE you know how people can be
18:13 * benrob0329 uses an 8-bit rollback to remove Fixer's 8-bit shwastika
18:13 VanessaE "oh let's make a big dick on that server!  oh we're sooo creative and funny"  bleh
18:13 Fixer VanessaE: it is internet (tm), it is fucked up, you can expect some double PHD professor to play minetest building swastikas and mario in nazi uniform, totally believable
18:14 VanessaE heh
18:14 * DS-minetest likes the idea of rollback time machines
18:14 Fixer you can swear on the internet
18:14 Zeno` Actually it's so trivial I could do two things: (a) merge it right now; or (b) close it
18:14 * octacian decides it's time to ignore IRC for a while...
18:14 VanessaE heh
18:14 benrob0329 VanessaE: builders of various obelisks certainly thought so
18:14 Fixer octacian: add more fuel instead
18:14 * benrob0329 hides
18:14 VanessaE octacian: well then we'll just ignore you too :)
18:15 octacian I'd be happy to add more fuel to other conversations... :P
18:15 kilbith I'm kind of talented in drawing swastikas, LazyJ is one of my fan
18:15 Fixer benrob0329: rollback is so slow, swastika removal will take ages, ^^ VanessaE
18:15 VanessaE Zeno`: merge it now, then let the controversy erupt :P
18:15 Fixer Remove Slow Rollback
18:15 Fixer -bab
18:15 benrob0329 Fixer: add snapshots instead
18:15 Zeno` https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5800
18:15 Zeno` nah I closed it
18:16 Zeno` can't be bothered
18:16 Krock Title: Update credits #5800
18:16 VanessaE :(
18:16 Fixer benrob0329: it is worse imo, snapshot affects everyone
18:16 VanessaE oh well
18:16 Fixer i would like to see faster rollback
18:16 benrob0329 Fixer: but it wotks against fire
18:16 benrob0329 *works
18:16 red-001 just get rid of the credits
18:16 Sokomine Fixer: well, i can imagine boys in puberty to be excited about dicks and building them everywhere. but a phd professor ought to have a better education than building nazi stuff?
18:16 red-001 paste a like to github instead
18:17 Zeno` kilbith won
18:17 kilbith nope
18:17 Fixer Sokomine: everything is possible today
18:17 benrob0329 *sigh* what has the internet come to
18:18 Fixer i'm literally can't be amazed anymore
18:18 Fixer i seen so much IRL shit
18:18 Fixer literally
18:18 Fixer around the world and in nearby places
18:18 Fixer it is almost virtual reality but in real world
18:18 benrob0329 what is real though?
18:19 benrob0329 Most colors you see on a daily basis are fake illustrations to fool your eyes
18:19 benrob0329 *illusions
18:19 benrob0329 Heck, light itself is an illusion
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18:20 benrob0329 Your eyes are basically antennae that happen to be able to get a rough estimate of the transmitter
18:21 octacian Wait... What?
18:21 benrob0329 Everything you hear, feel, experience is just the various ways your body comunicates the caotic universe to your brain, locked up inside your skull
18:21 Fixer with background: Incorporeal Visions Deluxe - 詩 Desktop  [2:22]
18:22 VanessaE Fixer: stop using [off]
18:22 benrob0329 /music plays
18:22 Fixer octacian: more fuel, i go eat
18:22 Fixer benrob0329: vaporwave is good for this topic right now
18:22 * octacian goes back to work
18:22 Fixer Remove Work
18:23 benrob0329 rm -rf /home/octacian/work
18:23 octacian rm: cannot remove '/home/octacian/work': No such file or directory
18:23 octacian :P
18:23 Fixer octacian: stop work now, do this https://gentoo.org/get-started/
18:24 octacian #UbuntuFTW
18:24 Krock uninstall enoch
18:24 * Fixer elegantly stand ups
18:24 Krock *gentoo
18:24 * Fixer pauses vaporwave for sec
18:24 benrob0329 find "work" | grep "octacian" | rm -rf
18:25 octacian find: ‘work’: No such file or directory
18:25 benrob0329 #GentooFTW
18:25 octacian Wait... Did I miss something here?
18:25 VanessaE rm -rf $(find ./ |grep work |grep octacian)
18:25 VanessaE :)
18:26 octacian Still not gonna work.
18:26 red-001 rm -rf --non-preserve-root /
18:26 octacian I legitimately have absolutely nothing on my computer with the words "work" and "octacian" (except for the log file that this is gonna go in)
18:26 VanessaE heh
18:26 benrob0329 VanessaE: clearly I need to learn bash
18:27 octacian What's so nice about gentoo though?
18:27 Jordach_ >learn bash
18:27 Jordach_ learn powershell, shitlord
18:27 VanessaE powershell? fuck windows :P
18:27 benrob0329 Learn unix shell, Winshit lord.
18:27 Jordach_ powershell has/is being ported to linusx
18:27 Jordach_ -s
18:27 octacian WHY would ANYONE want that!?
18:27 Jordach_ PowerShell is pretty good apparently
18:27 octacian Powershell === the WORST command line I have EVER used
18:27 benrob0329 No, just no.
18:27 octacian :P
18:28 Jordach_ benrob0329, but that's what modern corporate wants, unfortunately
18:28 octacian With this in mind, Jordach_: How can you possibly stand running Windows?
18:28 Krock back to W98's command.com with batch
18:28 VanessaE G8d no
18:28 benrob0329 I prey for those who have to use Dos style cmd
18:28 VanessaE G*d no*
18:28 Jordach_ octacian, i have an actual game library other than indies
18:28 octacian #Wine(as in the program)FTW! :D
18:29 benrob0329 Jordach_: so do I :-)
18:29 Fixer i've seen powershell and it is horrifying
18:29 benrob0329 >everything is an object
18:29 benrob0329 No, fuck no.
18:29 Fixer or developed for special kind of people
18:29 Fixer non-normies
18:30 * octacian leaves until everyone cools off...
18:30 benrob0329 gimme a dev tree anyday
18:30 benrob0329 Anyways
18:31 benrob0329 octacian: gentoo is stable, modular, well documented, and extremely flexible.
18:31 Fixer gentoo and arch wiki = legendary
18:31 Fixer debian docs are also very very good
18:31 Fixer they are not wiki though
18:32 benrob0329 Your whole system is consistently compiled to suit your needs
18:32 benrob0329 Its like having your own distro, without the LFS
18:33 VanessaE heh
18:33 Krock that's a strange File System </shitpost>
18:33 VanessaE well if you start from Stage 3, sure
18:33 VanessaE but doesn't gentoo still offer Stage 1 for the real hardcore folks?
18:34 benrob0329 probably
18:34 benrob0329 But I don't see why you'd want to do that
18:34 VanessaE I wouldn;'t.
18:34 VanessaE still haven't decided to switch distros yet
18:34 VanessaE however, devuan just made 1.0 stable release..  it was looking kind of inviting
18:35 benrob0329 Gentoo allows you to have your system, be your system.
18:35 * Krock looks at Antergos and wonders how good it is
18:35 benrob0329 No ifs buts er ors about it.
18:35 VanessaE but maybe a few XORs? :)
18:36 benrob0329 If you want there to be :-)
18:36 VanessaE heh
18:36 benrob0329 Like I said, its your system, nor someone elses idea of your system.
18:36 benrob0329 *not
18:36 VanessaE -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math -fracing-stripes -ftype-r-sticker
18:37 VanessaE ;)
18:37 benrob0329 I mean you can do that
18:37 VanessaE (I used to use gentoo some years ago, so I'm allowed to make that joke :P )
18:38 benrob0329 honestly, if you have an afternoon, a laptop or smartphone, and a decent desktoo yoy can install it in an afternoon
18:39 benrob0329 I said afternoon twice
18:39 benrob0329 >.<
18:39 VanessaE well
18:39 VanessaE when or if I do, I'll install it in a VM and then transfer it to the live system maybe
18:39 VanessaE minimize downtime that way
18:39 VanessaE just have to make sure the kernel is generic enough
18:40 benrob0329 You probably don't want to do that
18:40 VanessaE no?
18:40 benrob0329 Hardware specific things
18:40 benrob0329 Compile options
18:40 benrob0329 Etc
18:40 VanessaE yeah I suppose
18:43 Fixer Remove Gentoo
18:43 Fixer gentab
18:43 Fixer "Gun powder trails burn diagonally " Wuzzy
18:43 * red-001 is uninstalling Gentoo
18:45 Fixer VanessaE: is sysvinit really necessary for you?
18:45 benrob0329 rm -rf $(find / | grep !gentoo)
18:45 kilbith you know what
18:45 benrob0329 Fixer: sysvinit?
18:45 benrob0329 We use Systemd or OpenRC
18:45 kilbith we need an attorney and subpoena to decide who goes in credits
18:45 VanessaE Fixer: I don't care much about init systems, but I hate systemd, and I'm no friend of pulseaudio either.
18:46 Fixer ugh, power outage corrupted my lamps test world :/
18:46 VanessaE (pulseaudio has only one feature I like - it can turn the volume up above 100%)
18:47 Fixer no wait, lamp world is back, just env_meta.txt corrupted
18:47 benrob0329 switching sound carda per program is nice
18:48 benrob0329 But if you don't need that, then your fine
18:48 * benrob0329 uses motherboard sound card for speakers and xlr interface for heaphones
18:52 lumidify #OpenBSDFTW
18:53 Jordach_ >XLR
18:53 Jordach_ *autistic screeching*
18:57 rubenwardy Jordach_, 3/5 of my Steam library supports Linux
18:57 rubenwardy and apart from Source and Skyrim, that's all the games I want to play
18:57 Jordach_ >looks at BF1, Overmeme
18:57 rubenwardy Isn't BF1 source?
18:57 rubenwardy no, I'm thinking of TF2
18:58 rubenwardy I don't like FPS
18:58 rubenwardy apart from half life
18:58 Jordach_ rubenwardy, both Titanfall's are built on the source engine
18:58 rubenwardy wait, source supports linux
18:58 rubenwardy so just Skyrim
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19:00 Jordach__ >hotel wifi IP reset again
19:00 Jordach__ *autistic screeching*
19:02 Fixer rubenwardy: source should not be a problem on linux
19:03 benrob0329 Jordach_: can your wimpy mic jack provide 48 volts fantom power to a condenser microphone?
19:03 benrob0329 didn't think so.
19:04 kilbith Source games on linux run thanks to a cheap D3D to OpenGL abstraction layer
19:04 kilbith cold hard truth
19:04 kilbith at least games from the HL² era
19:07 Jordach__ benrob0329, ayy lmao
19:10 Jordach__ benrob0329, fiber optic digital audio is the master rice
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19:12 Calinou rubenwardy: neither BF1 nor Overwa
19:12 Calinou nor Overwatch are Source*
19:12 Calinou I think BF1 is Frostbite (not sure), and Overwatch is whatever Blizzard uses in-house
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19:24 Fixer kilbith: and HL2 era games run just fine on decade old hardware (i'm oversimplifiying but kinda)
19:24 Jordach__ Calinou, the Blizzard engine seems to be hyper scalable
19:24 Jordach__ hearthstone runs fine on my potato tablet
19:24 Fixer Jordach__: rice?
19:25 Fixer kilbith: so you can do that layer without much worrying since it will literally have 100+ fps on today's hardware
19:26 kilbith Fixer, sure but the porting on linux is kind of half-assed
19:26 kilbith as usual I'd say
19:28 IhrFussel Thanks^^
19:29 Fixer kilbith: still, it is huge way forward, remember what was 10 years ago
19:30 kilbith I was playing HL² with a 6600GT back then
19:30 Fixer kilbith: me on Radeon 9600
19:30 Fixer XT
19:31 kilbith I got this one too
19:31 kilbith played Far Cry to death with it
19:31 Fixer wait a second...
19:31 kilbith Doom 3 was freaking scary back in the time
19:32 Fixer Far Cry 1 does not even work today on ATI :(
19:32 Fixer i tried it
19:32 Fixer something with textures, ATI HD6870
19:34 Fixer HL was much more scary for me than DOOM 3
19:35 Fixer doom 3 was annoying... because flashlight
19:35 Fixer too dark
19:36 kilbith yeah the gameplay was bad
19:37 kilbith I liked GTA:SA too
19:38 kilbith I feel old now :/
19:39 Fixer GTA SA is not even old
19:39 kilbith 13 years old
19:39 Fixer i've played on zx spectrum, doom, quake 1/etc, now thats old (c)
19:39 kilbith I've played Alex Kidd on mastersystem, even older
19:41 Fixer 90s were like yesterday
19:41 Fixer 90s - week ago, 2000s - day ago
19:42 kilbith I'm sure 50% of this channel was not even a spermatozoid in the 90s
19:43 Fixer remembering my age adds more to depression
19:43 Fixer true for any person
19:44 Fixer at first you feel young, and then you realise you played doom 20 years ago and for a moment you think: damn I'm old!
19:45 Fixer but not that old yet
19:45 kilbith I broke the counter personally
19:45 kilbith so that I stick to 20 years old in my head
19:45 Fixer nah, we are young in our souls
19:46 Shara Now I'm remembering the music from Alex Kidd...
19:47 Fixer and somebody played rogue or smth on some 70s era machine, he probably thinks by now: holy fuck! i'm probably one feet in my grave!
19:48 kilbith he could ask OC :3
19:48 kilbith *we
19:48 Fixer "Live long and prosper" (c)
19:49 Fixer todays you expected to work up to 65, so here is your young-old limit :D
19:50 Calinou Jordach__: seems to run well, yes
19:50 Fixer the more you think about those issues - more depression you got
19:50 Fixer so better stop thinking
19:50 Calinou I ran Quake 2 at 1080p on an Intel HD 3000 PC yesterday
19:50 Calinou works fine
19:50 Fixer doom players are not that old
19:50 Calinou also ioquake3
19:50 Calinou also GZDoom in software (it doesn't work in OpenGL mode)
19:50 Calinou GZDoom software is cool, it has true freelook (no Y-shearing) and truecolor
19:51 Calinou but sprites are Y-aligned, not XY-aligned, which I'd prefer
19:51 Fixer Calinou: now imagine this, i've played Q2 about 17 years ago on actual PII with actual 3dfx card on actual windows 95, now thats depressing
19:52 Fixer Calinou: it worked fine btw
19:52 Fixer no idea what was the resolution though
19:52 Fixer probably near 640*480
19:53 Fixer Q2 still works on my system, backwards compatibility for the win
19:53 * benrob0329 is still young
19:54 benrob0329 I wont say how young, but probably younger than some :D
19:54 * octacian is younger than all of you :P
19:54 Fixer kilbith: oc is not really that old at all, if he is ~50, he can live another 50 years btw
19:54 Fixer if lucky
19:54 Fixer depends on many factors
19:55 IhrFussel Someone tried to tell me that "Debian has no security holes, Ubuntu does" I don't think that's true
19:55 red-002 lol
19:55 Fixer octacian: kids have sooo much these days
19:55 Jordach__ IhrFussel, `holy shit
19:55 octacian Technically.. He could live another 70 years, but incredibly unlikely.
19:55 octacian heh
19:55 Jordach__ that person must be really really naive
19:55 benrob0329 Fixer: so much crap
19:56 Fixer benrob0329: wat?
19:56 red-002 technically he could be immortal
19:56 benrob0329 Kids theese days have so much crap
19:56 red-002 it's just highly unlikely
19:56 octacian benrob0329: heh, Your mostly right
19:56 IhrFussel Jordach__, I think the person is too overprotective...he also uses Minetest 0.4.13 still because "newer versions are unstable"
19:57 Jordach__ IhrFussel, WAT
19:57 benrob0329 the hell..
19:57 octacian IhrFussel: Wait... People EXIST that use anything older than 0.4.15? I personally rebuild at least once per week
19:57 Jordach__ Minetest was never really unstable at any point in recent memory
19:57 red-002 who is this??
19:57 Fixer red-002: depending on many factors, but there are statistical tables, if you are 50... you have 30 years more of expected lifetime, if you are 70 - N years, it is moving forward, it is weird %)
19:57 Fixer Jordach__: it was
19:57 Fixer Jordach__: stall bug
19:58 benrob0329 0.4.12 was the most unstable in years
19:58 octacian Seriously though... 0.4.13? RLY...
19:58 Fixer IhrFussel: so nonsence, newer version does not nec-ry mean it is unstable, because older version are not fixed ;)
19:59 Fixer IhrFussel: debian backports fixes into old version, minetest - is not
19:59 Fixer so you stuck with outdated minetest that is in no way stable
20:00 Fixer the only reason to wait before update is when new version is released and some mods may need (or not) to be adapted, apart from that - no problem
20:00 Fixer LG2 still at 0.4.14....
20:00 Fixer shara will finally move
20:01 Jordach__ Fixer, he's referring to someone else, not IhrFussel
20:02 Shara But Fixer, moving is effort :)
20:02 Fixer Shara: 060. CYBEREALITYライフ - MAKE A MOVE  [2:51]
20:03 VanessaE that's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one.
20:03 Fixer Shara: VanessaE can update in few clicks, so do you :}
20:03 Shara Fixer: actually I can't.
20:03 Shara My server has taken wrecked set up to the point of being an artform.
20:04 Shara The fact that it works and can have actual players on it at all is an actual miracle.
20:04 IhrFussel He says he knows what he's talking about and that he uses Linux since 2003 etc ... he seems to be pretty stubborn
20:04 Fixer Shara: you should have local copy of your mods, you update them via script and just test on new version, then you backup minetest 0.4.14 instance with world and installing new version
20:05 Fixer IhrFussel: who?
20:05 Shara When I update RC, things will break. Probably with many loud bangs.
20:05 Fixer Shara: not at all
20:05 Fixer Shara: depends on mods
20:05 Shara It's not just about the mods :)
20:06 Shara I actually manage my mods really well. It's just everything else :)
20:06 Fixer Shara: backup (tm)(r)(c)
20:06 Shara I haven't said I don't back up
20:06 IhrFussel Fixer, someone on my server, he also plays on Xanadu I think "Hasi300" (not sure if you ever heard of him or talked to him)
20:06 Fixer Shara: backup and update, let it burn :p
20:06 VanessaE I should turn my scripts into a full minetest server management engine :)
20:06 Shara No point before release
20:07 IhrFussel It all started with "why are the fences no actual fences?"
20:07 Fixer IhrFussel: debian stable is old software that manages too work and has backported security fixes
20:07 VanessaE Fixer: s/stable/stale/
20:07 Fixer IhrFussel: it may be shitty old unstable software or really good old software
20:07 Calinou Fixer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFYjSkUdfb4
20:07 Calinou Quake 2 console/PC ports video
20:07 Fixer depends on phase of the moon
20:08 Calinou worth a watch
20:08 IhrFussel Isn't Ubuntu also Debian? AFAIK it's a modified Debian
20:08 Fixer Karmak looks young
20:08 Calinou probably him ~20 years ago
20:08 Fixer or it is 90s Karmack :trollface:
20:09 Fixer feels bad man
20:09 Calinou when he had a better car and monitor than you :D
20:09 Fixer Calinou: who the fuck plays Quake on console?
20:09 Calinou no idea, apparently some people did
20:09 Calinou Quake 3 on Dreamcast was a fairly popular thing apparently
20:10 kilbith Fixer, I hope he won't live that old
20:10 Fixer 3dfx voodoo mentioned, nice
20:10 Fixer i may have played on that
20:12 Fixer Calinou: back in the day consoles we had we played Mario, Civisations, Racing, Wrestlemania, but I don't remember any single shooter, only 2D shooter, like Robocop
20:12 Calinou Fixer: I watched the Quake 2 intro video yesterday too
20:12 Calinou it looks kitsch by now :D
20:14 Fixer I HAD SOUND 20 years ago
20:14 Fixer in quake
20:15 Fixer like this if you had sound 20 years ago too
20:15 Fixer listened to some mp3 back then
20:15 Fixer imagine retrieving that files from that HDD
20:15 Fixer checking that bitrate
20:17 Calinou Quake 1/2 did not use MP3
20:17 Calinou they used CD audio
20:17 Calinou the GOG version of Quake 2 music, the Steam version does not for legal reason
20:17 Calinou IIRC, both GOG and Steam versions of Quake 1 lack music
20:17 Calinou (I have the Steam versions of Q1/Q2, so no music for me unless I rip it)
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20:18 Fixer Calinou: no, no, i mean listening nonq2 related music in player while playing quake
20:19 Fixer Calinou: music of that era in mp3 in 199X, now thats old (tm)
20:19 Fixer Calinou: before winamp o_o
20:19 Fixer Calinou: we had no CD audio anyway :}
20:21 Fixer dynamic lights were cool
20:22 Calinou Q1/Q2 dynamic lights were sharp, but lightened up dark areas
20:22 Calinou Q3's dynamic lights were smoother, but multiplied the lightmap instead of adding to it (!)
20:22 Calinou dark areas stayed dark, bright areas brightened
20:22 Calinou it's stupid :(
20:22 Calinou apparently it was done for performance reasons, but eg. Jedi Outcast (based on Quake 3 engine) made the lights lighten up dark areas
20:24 Fixer i've played jedi outcast DEMO
20:25 Fixer dl-ed recently full version, but have not played yet
20:27 Fixer Calinou: demo CDs were fun and excitement
20:28 Fixer you actually wanted to buy magazine with CD and check out those demos
20:28 Fixer serious sam, ghost recon, etc etc
20:31 Fixer Calinou: Q3 action was so fast - nobody noticed that stupidity
20:31 Fixer Q1 was quite dark game
20:32 Fixer Q2 was brighter, more lights, that pistol...
20:32 Fixer rememba when game demo was like <100-200 mb? %)
20:32 Fixer do this now
20:33 Fixer 50Gb behemoth
20:35 Fixer i still remember some flight simulator on DOS, that was impressive
20:35 Fixer dat visuals
20:36 Fixer between playing that prehistoric guy :}
20:36 Fixer it looked nice, so colorful
20:36 red-002 hi Miner_48er
20:36 Fixer *warmth*
20:36 red-002 contact and Op'er if you want voice
20:37 red-002 an*
20:37 Fixer not this dull LCD TNFILM crap
20:37 Fixer q2 - 53mb, q3 - 374mb
20:37 Fixer no wait
20:38 Fixer q1 - 53mb, q2 - 374mb
20:38 Fixer q3 around 1 gb
20:38 Fixer with some mods
20:39 Fixer Hitman 47 demo colorized
20:41 Calinou Q2 .pak files are around 200 MB
20:42 Calinou Q3 around 480 MB
20:42 Calinou 50 MB for Q1 (pak0 + pak1)
20:42 Calinou Fixer: I was looking for Midtown Madness 1/2 and Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2/3/4 yesterday
20:42 Calinou couldn't find them for PC
20:42 Fixer eduke32 1.66gb... mods
20:42 Calinou they are not sold anymore, even on Steam/GOG it seems :'(
20:42 Calinou I played these when I was young
20:43 Calinou they all work in WINE apparently
20:43 Fixer Calinou: i've played Tony Hawk's Pro Skater $someversion back then :}
20:43 Miner_48er hi red
20:43 Fixer Calinou: i have it
20:43 Calinou I had THPS3 multiplayer once, was great
20:43 Calinou there was a stage where you could grind infinitely
20:43 Fixer Calinou: THPS3
20:43 Calinou and get millions of points
20:43 Calinou THPS3 was the Quake 3 of skating :D
20:43 Fixer Calinou: will pm you a link
20:44 red-002 so what brings you here Miner_48er ?
20:49 Miner_48er checking on the discussions to see what's changing
20:50 Calinou yay, classic Quake Live freezetag (ie. non-instagib) is going on
20:50 Calinou …but the server is full, you are in a queue to play
20:50 Calinou I'm 3rd in queue right now :(
21:01 Fixer Calinou: i've recognised the level from THPS3, indeed I've played it back then
21:03 Calinou Fixer: IIRC THPS3 has Doomguy easter egg
21:03 Calinou you can play him as a skater
21:03 Calinou (it's the Q3 model)
21:10 Jordach__ Calinou, no
21:10 Jordach__ THUG[1/2]
21:12 Fixer Calinou: https://thirteenag.github.io/wfp#thps3
21:14 Calinou hmm, thanks
21:17 Fixer GTA SA has no widescreen support? o.O
21:20 Calinou nope
21:20 Calinou heck, Doom 3 did not IIRC
21:20 Calinou (not sure)à
21:20 Calinou
21:20 Calinou but Half-Life 2 did
21:20 Calinou it took devs (even the ones with widescreens, like Carmack) a lot of time to care about widescreen
21:21 Fixer and people like me and VanessaE still use noncrippled screens :p
21:22 Fixer if only I had 1600x1200 resolution
21:22 VanessaE if it ain't a movie, fuck widescreen.
21:22 VanessaE Fixer: Dell 2001FP
21:22 VanessaE 1600x1200, ~20" diagonal
21:22 Calinou I like widescreen
21:22 Fixer VanessaE: widescreen is good in excel, movies and other stuff though, but nonwidescreen is good for other cases
21:22 VanessaE they're cheap on eBay, or they were when i got these
21:22 Calinou though I would have liked to see more 16:10 or 3:2 options for laptops
21:23 Fixer i want 16:10, extra height, but they cost shitton
21:23 Calinou there's no consumer 16:10 displays anymore
21:23 Calinou especially in high resolutions
21:23 Fixer Calinou: at least 16:10 1920*1280
21:23 Calinou 2560×1440 gives you more height though
21:23 Calinou in pixels
21:23 Calinou but to use it without scaling, you need 32" or something :P
21:23 Calinou (like I have)
21:23 Calinou so you have more usable vertical real estate than a 1920×1200
21:23 Fixer yeah, but i don't that much width
21:23 Calinou and much more horizontal, too
21:24 Calinou splitting windows horizontally finally becomes comfortable
21:25 Fixer it is harder to multitask on 4:3/5:4
21:25 Fixer on the other hand multitasking can be bad
21:25 Calinou anyway, thanks for widescreen fix list
21:25 Fixer it is tempting to read IRC and watch some lets play
21:25 * Calinou bookmarks
21:25 Fixer but then quality of your attention goes down a lot
21:26 Fixer i would like some 16:10 with some bad ass resolution :}
21:27 Calinou I have 2 monitors anyway
21:27 Calinou I multitask quite often :P
21:27 Calinou Fixer: 3840×2400 technically exists, but is nowhere to be found at reasonable prices
21:27 Calinou same for 4096×2160 ("true 4K")
21:28 Fixer Calinou: ok, by bad ass i mean 1920*1200 %)
21:28 Fixer Calinou: 24" Dell UltraSharp U2412M Black , hmm
21:28 Fixer resolution is too smal
21:28 Fixer l
21:28 Fixer i mean size
21:28 Fixer fuck
21:28 Calinou Dell had a 3840×2160, OLED, 120 Hz display, 32" (I think)
21:28 Fixer eizo monitors... hmmm
21:28 Calinou but the price was "only Carmack can buy it", aka. €5,000, and it's no longer produced
21:29 Calinou that said, I'd like to have > 60 Hz as my next upgrade
21:29 Calinou but 3840×2160 (which I'd really like on desktop) and > 60 Hz is going to be truly hard and expensive to find
21:29 Calinou maybe in 3 years?
21:30 Fixer Calinou: i don't have that powerful videocard
21:31 Fixer i'm fine with 1920*1200, ati hd6870 should handle this more or less in minetest :trollface:
21:31 Fixer i don't play new games anyway
21:31 Fixer since disk size requirements are immense
21:32 Fixer Calinou: still waiting for final MechWarrior 3 fix...
21:36 Fixer Carmack had amazing 2536*1536 monitors in 199X iirc
21:37 Fixer iirc
21:38 Fixer or something near it
21:38 Fixer 16:9 CRT o.O
21:39 Fixer ah, he had 1920*1080
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22:08 Fixer 2017 https://twitter.com/MariaConchi​ta_A/status/849795520243433473
22:16 Calinou KaadmY, Fixer: https://lut.im/g5P0yWFgEO/KZk1RzxcHtLqHsLk.png
22:16 Calinou I remember the cheat code for it, didn't have to look it up :D
22:16 Calinou (I think you can guess what it is)
22:16 Fixer nice
22:32 benrob0329 the emoji movie...is a thing
22:33 benrob0329 Tge
22:33 benrob0329 The FRIGGEN EMOJI movie
22:33 NathanS21 it is a thing, but that doesn't mean it's a good thing
22:33 benrob0329 No, its not a good thing
22:34 NathanS21 just like the poo emoji pillows
22:34 benrob0329 And to think that I thought cartoons were going downhill a few years ago..
22:35 benrob0329 Oh...oh boy was I naive to what was in store
22:38 Jordach__ benrob0329, N O R M I E  T R A S H
22:39 benrob0329 hollywood＀crap
22:41 benrob0329 Oh btw matrix now syncs irc presence properly
22:42 shivajiva 2017-05-29 00:40:02: WARNING[Main]: Undeclared global variable "module" accessed at /usr/share/lua/5.1/ltn12.lua:14
22:43 shivajiva any ideas?
22:52 VaultyLappy well methinks someone used lua
22:53 Calinou benrob0329: https://xkcd.com/1813/
22:53 Calinou ;)
22:54 benrob0329 Calinou: lol
22:54 benrob0329 What will we do when xkcd is no longer being produced?
22:54 Calinou truth will stop existing on Earth? :(
22:54 Shara Cry
22:54 VanessaE recycle old issues? :)
22:55 benrob0329 We'll just have to convince his son to continue the legacy
23:08 red-002 bit offtopic but who was landmine?
23:09 red-002 he seemed to host some servers?
23:10 VanessaE red-002:  a troll.
23:10 VaultyLappy heres a question
23:10 VanessaE practically professional level
23:10 VaultyLappy say you had someone who said they'd host a server for you
23:11 VaultyLappy but suddenly their internet isnt set up
23:11 VaultyLappy and every week they say oh ill confront them and have it sorted
23:11 red-002 ah so they where in the same business?
23:11 VaultyLappy and this guy continues for 6 weeks would you say this person is full of crap?
23:11 red-002 yes
23:11 VaultyLappy thank you
23:11 VanessaE VaultyLappy: I would say they're highly unreliable at best
23:12 VanessaE "full of crap" is a bit strong, but it depends on the person
23:12 red-002 ^
23:12 red-002 anyway you don't want to trust them with server hosting
23:12 VanessaE agreed.
23:13 VaultyLappy thanks
23:13 red-002 wow elitebnc sure gets a lot of hate
23:13 VaultyLappy my friends been getting bs with the same excuses for 6 weeks
23:14 red-002 they had to suspend issuing accounts again due to ddos attacks, etc
23:14 VanessaE definitely find a better host then, VaultyLappy
23:14 VanessaE who's elitebnc?
23:15 VaultyLappy thank you I appreciate the input alot
23:15 VaultyLappy I had many people barking at me saying how in the wrong I was for saying it wasnt right and hes a bad host
23:15 diegom <benrob0329> hollywood＀crap
23:16 diegom for the last time, fix your damn script :P
23:16 diegom full-width space is U+3000, not U+FF00
23:16 red-002 VaultyLappy, a znc-based irc bouncer service
23:17 red-002 ehh
23:17 red-002 tab failure
23:17 Fixer how you even type this....
23:17 red-002 VanessaE, ^
23:17 VanessaE red-002: oh ok.  I just use znc itself
23:17 VanessaE (with the bouncer running on daconcepts.com)
23:17 diegom oh, benrob's not here
23:18 red-002 I guess if you have a server already thats the best choice
23:18 diegom wait he is
23:18 red-002 if you don't want to pay for a server it's either this or a free shell/vps
23:18 Fixer U+FF00
23:19 diegom magic
23:19 VaultyLappy red-002, eh just issues with people but thanks
23:19 rubenwardy I have a server already, just CBA to set it up
23:19 diegom magic with spaces
23:19 VaultyLappy rubenwardy, noice
23:20 diegom Fixer, hexchat?
23:20 Fixer quassel
23:20 rubenwardy need to dockerize my server at some point
23:20 diegom oh :(
23:20 rubenwardy or somehow script it
23:20 diegom no scripting I guess
23:20 rubenwardy I want to be able to ditch my current VPS and switch to a new one at a moments notice if I need to
23:44 Fixer http://files.explosm.net/comics/Matt/We-can-re​build-him.-More-dickish-than-ever-before..png
23:59 Fixer http://files.explosm.net/comics/Matt/all-​the-more-reason-to-continue-drinking.png

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