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00:00 Fixer red-005: testing will take lots of time, since I have no way reproducing it apart from sitting on server waiting for that fucker with invalid chars
00:00 Fixer red-005: i hope it helps anyway
00:00 Fixer red-005: if it does not crash for long away, or other devs approve it for sure, will see
00:08 Shara Hi KaadmY. I assume it's you rubenwardy was trying to add, so I just did it :)
00:09 KaadmY Yeah
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00:40 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetest_g​ame/issues/1443#issuecomment-264697934
00:40 Calinou heh
00:41 Calinou I should -1 these comments whenever I see them, lol
00:41 Calinou GitLab allows arbitrary emoji as reactions, but GitHub doesn't :(
00:41 Calinou else :suspect: would make a very good emoji for this kind of stuff :P
00:44 benrob0329 Calinou: why dont we use gitlab then? :P
00:44 benrob0329 I joined Github because of the fact that minetest is on there
00:44 Calinou heh
00:44 Calinou popularity, I guess
00:44 Calinou GitHub is far more known than GitLab
00:44 Calinou I told someone about GitLab recently, they did not even know about it
00:45 Calinou but they knew about BitBucket for some reason
00:45 benrob0329 heh
00:45 Calinou also, someone sent me this video, it's almost 10 years old
00:45 Calinou lol
00:45 Calinou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RStHv63xgWk
00:45 Calinou 4:3 240p in all its glory
00:45 davisonio Gitlab is really good feature wise but everyone uses GH or BB because everyone's on it
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01:39 Hijiri I think it has problems with scaling
01:39 Hijiri A space station 13 fork (large codebase for whatever reason) tried to migrate to gitlab but kept having problems
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05:27 benrob0329 heyyy
05:27 benrob0329 i got userspace mounting to work
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05:28 benrob0329 and automounting on top of thay
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05:59 benrob0329 Hi lumidify, nerzhul
05:59 lumidify Hi benrob0329
06:00 benrob0329 Whats up?
06:01 lumidify The sky :P
06:02 benrob0329 Heh, well I got udevil + devmon working: P
06:02 lumidify Oooh, that was actually on my list of things to do... I should do that sometime
06:03 benrob0329 its not hard, just gotta remember to add yourself to the right group to execute /usr/bin/udevil
06:04 benrob0329 don't remember what it was off the top of my head
06:04 benrob0329 Its just ater 2 in the morning here, I should go to bed
06:05 lumidify I'll look it up whenever I have time
06:05 benrob0329 Gnight, see ya'll in several hours
06:05 lumidify Good night!
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08:15 shivajiva Hi nerzhul
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08:29 tenplus1 hi folks
08:31 atorian37 hi all, need help how to load worledit mod from github, have not done that till today. I am using linux shell with ssh/tmux.
08:32 tenplus1 hi zeno, hi atorian37
08:33 Zeno` hi three
08:33 nerzhul hi shivajiva
08:33 atorian37 i loaded the worldedit.zip from release page but that one seems to be leaky
08:33 Zeno` (tenplus1)
08:33 tenplus1 hi nrz :P
08:34 atorian37 someone crashed the server with a chat command...
08:35 VanessaE atorian37: get rid of the worldedit_gui mod
08:35 VanessaE just delete that component from the modpack
08:36 tenplus1 hi Vanessa
08:36 tenplus1 seems the _gui is being a real pain lately
08:36 VanessaE hi.
08:37 shivajiva Hi ten
08:37 shivajiva Hi Vanessa
08:37 tenplus1 hi shiva :P
08:37 atorian37 VanessaE Hi VanessaE, thanks I will do that. So also the newest release ist leaky?
08:37 shivajiva no it's patched
08:38 VanessaE atorian37: I don't know what the "newest release" actually IS.
08:38 VanessaE a zip may not be the current git HEAD of worldedit
08:38 atorian37 VanessaE, hmm mybe 1.1, not sure at all.
08:39 shivajiva https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit
08:39 VanessaE atorian37: just get rid of the _gui component and it should be fine.  check your auth.txt, make sure no one has privs that shouldn't.  check your config files in the world dir also, make sure none of them contain any code (as opposed to just settings).  delete any that do.  enable mod security if you haven't already.
08:40 shivajiva I use this cmd /lua for name,stuff in pairs(minetest.auth_table) do if stuff.privileges["protection_bypass"] == true then minetest.chat_send_player("shivajiva", name.." has protection_bypass priv") end end
08:40 shivajiva when the server is running
08:41 shivajiva easily changed for any priv
08:41 atorian37 cool thank you all for the hints
08:41 VanessaE I just `grep "server" auth.txt`
08:41 VanessaE anyone who shows up with that priv and shouldn't gets stripped of privs and possibly banned.
08:42 shivajiva yea I used to but this is nice for on the fly checking when a suspect is online
08:44 shivajiva from irc as well ;)
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08:50 CWz hey VanessaE
08:50 tenplus1 hi CWz
08:50 VanessaE hi
08:53 shivajiva Have you ever seen your personal information on a public forum? Have you even seen your personal information “grayed out”? If you have, know that it is not only cowardly, but also illegal. There is a name for it: doxing.
08:55 shivajiva Doxing is always illegal, whether it is done against a federal employee, a state employee, or a regular person. There are federal and state laws that specifically address doxing government employees. With regular citizens, doxing falls under various state criminal laws, such as stalking, cyberstalking, harassment, threats, and other such laws, depending on the state.
08:56 CWz shivajiva, huh?
08:56 CWz You've been doxed?
08:56 shivajiva for the record :)
08:56 shivajiva what do you call what OC is doing?
08:56 CWz What is he doing. did he dox someone?
08:57 shivajiva minetest.org
08:57 VanessaE has he spread more than just a general location (city, county)?  i.e. phone number, home address, that sort of thing?
08:57 VanessaE minetest.org tl;dr
08:58 shivajiva he's tying nicks to real identities or attempting to, where is the line?
08:58 VanessaE that's the line.
08:58 shivajiva okay
08:58 VanessaE personally identifying info as we call it here.
08:58 CWz tl;dr
08:58 atorian37 VanessaE Thanks, I am set so far I think, I have checked, no one but me has "server" as a priv, I removed the _gui part of worldedit mod and mod security was already on. thank you! in the log i see a player starting a chat an then the log only shows "ERROR[SERVER] please update your worldedit version. it leaks"
08:58 VanessaE a person's real name is verboten.
08:59 CWz quote pz
08:59 VanessaE atorian37: ah, I know the source of that.  you're probably safe now that you removed that mod.
08:59 Zeno` Nore's real name is in credits
08:59 Zeno` so is mine
08:59 Zeno` so is celeron55's
08:59 tenplus1 did you provide your names fore credits ?
08:59 Zeno` so is hmmmm's
08:59 VanessaE atorian37: a certain white hat among the community did that for your protection.
08:59 Zeno` yes
09:00 VanessaE Zeno`: all illegal, since none of the above gave permission for their names to be displayed so.
09:00 Zeno` huh? We did give permission for them to be displayed in the credits tab
09:00 Zeno` and also on github
09:00 nerzhul what is the problem ?
09:00 VanessaE (mind you, I don't care about my real name being shown versus an alias, rather I don't want my name or nick being shown at all, period)
09:00 VanessaE Zeno`: that's a different matter.
09:01 VanessaE the credits page of Minetest is a limited-exposure medium,
09:01 VanessaE a web page isn't.
09:01 VanessaE people gave their permission to include their names in the credits, not on OC's website.
09:01 VanessaE problem is if you ask for removal, well... Streisand Effect.
09:03 tenplus1 may I borrow someone's c++ skills in minetest please ?
09:03 tenplus1 hi celeron55
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09:04 tenplus1 hi richard
09:04 CWz i shmell a Var camming
09:04 shivajiva And as Lt Columbo always says: Just one more thing ... “Bullies are cowards.” Always push back.
09:04 CWz the follovers of OC vs the MT People
09:05 * CWz rans avay
09:05 celeron55 i set proper flags for so many people, but apparently not for myself, lol
09:05 shivajiva lol
09:06 celeron55 i wanted to say: defamation is also a thing
09:06 shivajiva v.true
09:06 CWz Has there been any more attacks on servers
09:06 VanessaE quite true.
09:06 * CWz is away from the keyboard.
09:08 shivajiva CWz: I have not heard of any incidences today as yet
09:11 atorian37 VanessaE oh ok, so I will thank him/her later for that information. do you mean to completely remove it or only the _gui part?
09:11 VanessaE atorian37: just remove the _gui component.
09:11 VanessaE you can update it to latest git HEAD, but removing it is easier
09:11 VanessaE and no one really uses it anyway
09:12 atorian37 VanessaE ok I did...puh thanks.
09:17 * tenplus1 hides everything
09:18 paramat wise
09:20 VanessaE paramat: tenplus1 is a wiseass anyway ;)
09:20 tenplus1 my ass has a deploma
09:20 shivajiva LOL
09:20 VanessaE lol
09:23 tenplus1 sadly not for c++ code :PPPP
09:23 tenplus1 am googling a lot here trying to fix this
09:37 nerzhul paramat, it has no interest, it's written in our git log :)
09:38 nerzhul and this problem is a non problem in fact, we just don't care, he cannot do anything to us
09:39 paramat yeah
09:45 * CWz is lucky that he never gives out information
09:45 CWz I don't even giveout my email adresss
09:45 CWz *personal email addresses
09:46 tenplus1 +1
09:47 CWz got to the part where he doxes Nore
09:47 tenplus1 oo.O
09:48 CWz dang, the ones who siad OC was doxxing wasn't kidding
09:48 shivajiva :/
09:48 shivajiva You can usually tell when I'm kidding
09:50 DI3HARD139 Not sure if this is the appropriate channel to ask this in but, Were there changes to how the mapgens write to the database? I attempted to rollback to 0.4.14 due to mass instability issues but its complaining about version mismatching
09:50 tenplus1 eek
09:50 CWz It a missmatch made in hell
09:50 shivajiva not sure you can go back, can anyone confirm?
09:51 paramat yes there was mapblock version bump
09:51 paramat in recent master
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09:51 paramat will link details ..
09:51 DI3HARD139 Alrighty then. Guess will remove and recompile 0.4.15
09:52 tenplus1 hi ruben
09:52 shivajiva o/
09:52 DI3HARD139 Hello ruben
09:53 paramat are you rolling back from a recent 0.4.15dev?
09:54 DI3HARD139 If ~26 days is recent enough then yep
09:55 * tenplus1 turns rollback off anyhoo :P
09:55 paramat see 1st post here https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4682
09:56 paramat that PR was merged 13 Feb
09:56 shivajiva don't you want a 13 Gb rollback file ten?
09:56 tenplus1 lol, I disable for performance gain... server backed up when I need it
09:56 DI3HARD139 Try a 30GB log file
09:59 paramat 'instability issues' as in you were fed up with using a dev version?
09:59 DI3HARD139 hmmm???
10:00 DI3HARD139 Oh no. Just general issues. Unable to write to files, Files randomly disappearing after server crashes after hitting memory errors, Mods randomly unloading themselves
10:01 DI3HARD139 alrighty then... missed a few words there
10:01 shivajiva I have wondered what the performance hit was and if it was significantly increased with db size using rollback
10:01 DI3HARD139 memory errors = hitting lua memory limit
10:01 CWz DI3HARD139, did you update worldedit_gui
10:02 DI3HARD139 Tried to. Crashes on load. I last tried a week ago though.
10:02 VanessaE DI3HARD139: any messages in the log?
10:02 VanessaE like a warning telling you to update?
10:02 DI3HARD139 Nope none
10:02 VanessaE ok
10:03 VanessaE (someone here, I won't name names, used the exploit to take down several servers, just to warn their owners to update for safety sake)
10:03 DI3HARD139 I wonder if that has something to do with all my servers having the profiles reset...
10:04 tenplus1 lol
10:04 DI3HARD139 I kid you not. auths, player save files, ban lists were wiped
10:04 shivajiva I informed all the admins on DI3HARD139's server when skyblocks was hit so plebs has been sorting things
10:05 DI3HARD139 I'll have to ask what he's checked. I know the profiles are back. Gotta love MySQL
10:05 DI3HARD139 at least the auths anyways
10:06 VanessaE sure, a full disk can result in deleted files
10:06 DI3HARD139 Updating worldedit now while I have the worlds down
10:06 VanessaE had something similar happen recently
10:07 VanessaE due to huge rollback logs and huge debug logs
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10:07 VanessaE and too many days' worth of backups
10:07 DI3HARD139 You using 3x 120GB SSDs as well?
10:07 tenplus1 hi fixer
10:07 VanessaE 2x 300 GB SSD in striped RAID
10:07 Fixer hi
10:07 DI3HARD139 dang. knew I should've chosen that one :P
10:07 CWz DI3HARD139, sorry for your loss
10:08 shivajiva I know that one Vanessa, only the once, lesson learned :/
10:08 DI3HARD139 Nah. 26.1GB | 83.1GB | 59.2GB free on the drives
10:08 CWz VanessaE, would it be a good idea to start server instances under a diffrent username?
10:10 DI3HARD139 Imma also snag 0.2.20110731_3 just for something to do later
10:10 CWz 0.2 mt server?
10:11 DI3HARD139 idk which it is. Not sure when the server portion was added.
10:11 VanessaE CWz: if you want, I can create you a new account for the purpose.  you may want to consider running ALL of your server instances from there.
10:12 CWz i also wonder if there's much point to that, since all i have in the home folder is minetest servers.
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10:14 VanessaE well, I have my own account on my server, but my minetest instances have their own account also
10:14 VanessaE but then again, I have more than just minetest instances running, like my website.
10:14 shivajiva Fixer: o/
10:14 VanessaE morning, Fixer_
10:17 DI3HARD139 morning fixer
10:20 DI3HARD139 Quick question. Whats the difference between an "A" record and a "CNAME" record?
10:20 VanessaE a CNAME record is like a symbolic link
10:21 VanessaE an A record is like the original file
10:21 shivajiva The A record maps a name to one or more IP addresses, when the IP are known and stable. The CNAME record maps a name to another name. It should only be used when there are no other records on that name. The ALIAS record maps a name to another name, but in turns it can coexist with other records on that name.
10:21 VanessaE if you compare it to a filesystemn, that is
10:22 rubenwardy you should prefer a cname record if you're pointing at a server and have a name for it
10:22 rubenwardy unless it's a root record
10:23 rubenwardy for example   CNAME www -> example.github.io
10:23 rubenwardy but you have to do A @ -> 69.23.23.34
10:23 * CWz wonders if VanessaE thought mroe about her paid hosting plan idea.
10:23 CWz MT needs a good one
10:23 rubenwardy where @ is root (eg: rubenwardy.com, not www. or subdomain)
10:23 rubenwardy erm
10:24 rubenwardy I mean @ stands for root
10:24 CWz 15% of all earnings go to starving minetest devs
10:24 VanessaE I have not given it any thought
10:24 shivajiva VanessaE: I think it's a great idea
10:24 DI3HARD139 Ok. So basically the CNAME is just for use with subdomains. Ok. Just trying to figure out which to use to pass multiple connection names to the server. ex. mt.krynet.tk and hce.krynet.tk
10:25 rubenwardy also with www, DI3HARD139
10:25 rubenwardy they say you should avoid using http://example.com, and use http://www.example.com, but I don't like that
10:25 rubenwardy hence http://rubenwardy.com
10:25 shivajiva ^
10:26 CWz I wonder what http://rubenwardy.com is all about
10:26 VanessaE shivajiva, CWz I lack the skills to write and maintain a good user interface for same
10:26 VanessaE NOW,
10:26 rubenwardy https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest_web_panel
10:26 rubenwardy old though
10:27 VanessaE if someone wants to write a good user interface and manage it, using my hardware, I'm game for that as long as I get a significant cut of the profits.
10:27 VanessaE or I may be anyway
10:29 nerzhul rubenwardy, many dead links
10:29 rubenwardy ah, I made rufunge private yet it still links to it
10:30 DI3HARD139 I gave that web panel a shot @rubenwardy. Aside form crashing upon attempting to communicate with the MT process, It seems like a great start.
10:30 DI3HARD139 and stable
10:30 rubenwardy yeah
10:31 rubenwardy I never got it to a nice standard
10:31 rubenwardy nerzhul, my website or the repo?
10:31 DI3HARD139 Now how the heck did MTF get mysql_auth to run with mod security on..... afk working on that for a bit
10:31 CWz I think i saw another minetest host somewhere
10:31 rubenwardy minetesthosting.com
10:32 DI3HARD139 minetesthosting is a joke. Though the thought is there.
10:32 VanessaE well like I said, I'm willing to lend my hardware to the project if the conditions are good.
10:32 CWz found it's redit page
10:32 DI3HARD139 Nothing can beat the value of OVH/SoYouStart/Kimsufi though
10:32 CWz https://www.reddit.com/r/Minetest/comments/4v6q2v/​i_created_a_minetest_hosting_service_looking_for/
10:33 shivajiva I'm told the contact doesn't respond to emails and hasn't updated since 0.4.14 on minetesthosting
10:33 DI3HARD139 nope
10:33 DI3HARD139 and the server lags out after about 2 players
10:33 CWz there this: https://minetestserver.hosting/
10:33 CWz but it not available yet
10:33 nerzhul 40$/month to upload games & mods, with that price you can host 4 MT servers on a decent machine on french datacenters
10:34 DI3HARD139 Correction. They changed it to 3 users
10:34 DI3HARD139 ikr
10:34 VanessaE nerzhul: try a dozen or more instances.
10:34 CWz and this: http://www.roanokehobby.net/
10:34 VanessaE $42/mo for my box has enough CPU, memory, network, and disk to host at least a dozen, probably more, depending on how heavy they are (especially CPU-wise)
10:35 DI3HARD139 I recently upgraded mine and pay $50USD for 32GB ram , 3x 120GB SSDs and a Xeon E3-1245v2
10:35 DI3HARD139 Though system optimization is key. Not so much the specs
10:35 sfan5 minetest.org isn't archiveable by archive.is
10:35 sfan5 nice meme
10:39 DI3HARD139 Sounds about like what told me
10:39 VanessaE ninja'd :)
10:39 tenplus1 ;P
10:39 DI3HARD139 ^^^^^
10:39 * tenplus1 needs food to become more ninja
10:39 tenplus1 brb
10:40 DI3HARD139 afk. Gotta turn mod security off so I can get the worlds back online
10:40 shivajiva irc mod lol
10:40 DI3HARD139 ??
10:41 shivajiva needs require()
10:41 VanessaE add it to your secure trusted mods
10:41 DI3HARD139 Oh that one isn't the issue. mysql_auth is
10:41 VanessaE leave mod security enabled.
10:41 VanessaE oh
10:42 rubenwardy recent events have proven the needs
10:42 rubenwardy also, why can't you require from an insecure env for mysql?
10:42 DI3HARD139 I wonder if they updated it recently
10:42 shivajiva doesn't work for me adding it, must be doing something wrong
10:42 DI3HARD139 Waiting on cloudflare to update so I have a few more minutes
10:43 shivajiva just get a message complaining about Require() and it stops
10:44 rubenwardy minetest.request_insecure_enviro​nment().require('luamodulename')
10:47 VanessaE indeed!
10:48 DI3HARD139 I saw that and was like "What the...???"
10:49 DI3HARD139 I see they took the saying "when pigs fly" to the next level :P
10:50 DI3HARD139 aside from a "hello" every now and then
10:52 tenplus1 :P
10:52 tenplus1 lolol
10:52 DI3HARD139 That's another thing to do today. Order some RG-11 cable. Gotta love pop in thoughts
10:53 DI3HARD139 I think Im starting to see everything lol
10:53 CWz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRzEciiJesE
10:53 VanessaE DI3HARD139: also you're low on sardines and brake fluid,
10:53 VanessaE :)
10:53 DI3HARD139 Brake fluid yes. Sardines heck no. Too salty
10:53 VanessaE lol
10:56 DI3HARD139 Vanessa: Do you have your drives in raid or independent?
10:56 CWz MT needs a masscot
10:57 DI3HARD139 no comment :P
10:57 VanessaE DI3HARD139: striped RAID.
10:57 tenplus1 I kinda like the little island logo we already have
10:57 VanessaE (there's only two)
10:57 DI3HARD139 Might be where my mistake was
10:58 VanessaE I figured with only 600 GB to work with, I may as well stripe them and get 80% more speed anyway
10:58 CWz Lump of dirt; datz boring mascot.
10:58 CWz we need a cartoony sam along with it
10:58 rubenwardy CWz, dungeon master
10:58 tenplus1 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=minetest+logo&​amp;client=ubuntu&hs=BGG&source=lnms&amp​;tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjzy-P-3vHTAhXH​DsAKHfVgAZUQ_AUICigB&biw=1142&bih=657  I like it :D
10:58 VanessaE (backups are written to the same drives as the primary data, but minimal backups are also sent to FTP, and cheapie has a script that runs weekly to fetch the downloadable worlds as well, so multiple levels of backups)
10:59 DI3HARD139 I have mine set to independent disks. Wasn't certain which to choose given the system is headless
10:59 CWz cereal style cartoon sam mascot. with avatars of missing players on the back
10:59 DI3HARD139 I wish JBOD was an option
10:59 CWz What a JBOD
11:00 tenplus1 nah... everything these days has an avatar...  it gets annoying after a while
11:00 DI3HARD139 Just a bunch of disks
11:00 * shivajiva is jeally of such a nicely engineered backup
11:00 shivajiva *jelly
11:01 CWz Mascots make things appealing to an audience, minecraft has shit mascot that why it so unpopular
11:01 CWz it's mascot is just dirt block
11:02 VanessaE DI3HARD139: RAID 0
11:02 VanessaE that's JBOD isn't it?
11:02 DI3HARD139 Raid 1
11:02 VanessaE (also called "linear" RAID)
11:02 VanessaE oh it is?
11:02 DI3HARD139 It just makes all the drives appear as 1
11:02 VanessaE well pfft
11:02 tenplus1 https://ducakedhare.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2​016/05/minetest_logo_real_blockmen-289x300.png
11:02 DI3HARD139 so it just stripes
11:02 VanessaE I never know which number is which :P
11:03 CWz JBODy is ready
11:03 VanessaE LVM can do appending also
11:03 VanessaE if RAID won't work for you
11:03 VanessaE ("Logical Volume Manager/Management")
11:04 DI3HARD139 @rubenwardy: Just saw a message I missed. It has to write to the MySQL database which requires elevation from the sandbox MT runs its mods in.
11:04 CWz anyway the island logo needs to be updated to include the new biomes
11:05 DI3HARD139 I wonder if anyone streams MT on twitch
11:05 rubenwardy jordanibenza doess
11:05 tenplus1 would be nice to have little floating island logo's representing each biome...
11:06 rubenwardy at least modding
11:06 CWz Hmm
11:06 CWz Would love a minetest stream
11:07 tenplus1 video stream ?
11:07 CWz I just hope as minetest get's popular it doesn't have the same issues minecraft has with reskin youtubers
11:08 DI3HARD139 I sure hope it doesn't. They get annoying after awhile
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11:09 tenplus1 hi Dargod
11:09 CWz literally almost every mc youtuber does the same type of videos.
11:09 DI3HARD139 hello dargod
11:09 CWz tf2  has the same problem as well
11:09 paramat hehe won't be cute with 12 biomes
11:09 Dargod Hi all
11:10 tenplus1 the current logo could join onto desert biome at back, which in turn could join into savanna and ice/snow then back to original
11:11 tenplus1 4x floating islands linked to one another through one side :D
11:13 CWz also that cave could use tweaking, like adding an ore otherwise one could interpreter the logo as the game only having surface value
11:13 CWz with no substance
11:21 shivajiva Hi Dargod o/
11:23 shivajiva CWz: +1
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11:39 tenplus1 wb Jordach
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11:42 tenplus1 hi raven
11:43 Raven262 Hello tenplus1
11:44 * CWz votes for some from of area protection added in minetest_game
11:45 CWz *form
11:45 tenplus1 leave that to mods
11:45 Raven262 It is not really required in default.
11:46 tenplus1 default has checks for protection so that when you DO use a mod it works
11:46 tenplus1 that's all we need for now :D
11:46 Raven262 And, if it were to be added, there would be a fight about shall it be "protection blocks" or area protect.
11:47 tenplus1 exactly...  we already have blocks, areas and map blocks
11:47 Raven262 And what is the purpose of protection anyway? To protect from griefers. We didn't include them in the default :P
11:49 tenplus1 could always add a custom block to default that only the owner can punch to pickup
11:49 tenplus1 then you could use it with locked doors
12:00 Raven262 There is one graphical feature that would improve minetest a great deal.
12:00 Raven262 Transparency.
12:00 Raven262 Cause only then we could make glass tools.
12:07 Calinou hi
12:08 tenplus1 wb cal
12:08 Calinou Raven262: transparency is not as trivial to render as you think
12:08 Calinou order-independent transparency is a thing, but it's expensive to render
12:08 Raven262 Hello Calinou
12:08 Raven262 Ah.
12:08 Calinou so for now we're stuck with old-school transparency, which glitches out if you look at a transparent surface through another transparent surface
12:09 Calinou (this is not a problem with 1-bit transparency, also called "discard transparency")
12:09 tenplus1 lol
12:10 paramat https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/95 5 year old issue
12:10 Raven262 Yeah, i can hide an allfaces transparent node behind another one, first one will not be rendered lol
12:10 CWz is it more expesive then coloured lighting
12:10 Raven262 *second one
12:10 Raven262 Really?
12:10 Calinou colored lighting would not be extremely expensive, I guess
12:10 Calinou you'd have 4 light channels (16 bits to store) instead of 2 (8 bits to store)
12:10 Calinou we have block light and sky light right now
12:11 Calinou I guess colored lighting would be red/green/blue/sky light
12:11 Calinou each component has 16 levels, so 4 bits
12:11 Raven262 But it would make map much bigger.
12:11 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minete​st/issues/95#issuecomment-27149867
12:11 Calinou methinks this should be fixed if you enable shaders
12:11 Calinou Raven262: not by much… in fact, I'm not even sure if light information is saved to the database
12:12 Calinou this is not the largest of our concerns with regards to colored light
12:12 Raven262 What is then?
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12:13 Calinou probably the runtime computations and compatibility with existing worlds
12:13 paramat ? light level is param1
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12:13 tenplus1 hi lumidify
12:13 Raven262 Hello lumidify
12:13 Calinou anyway, colored light surely won't happen
12:13 CWz one this is certain after coloured lighting get added someone would ask for Volumetric lighting
12:13 lumidify Hi tenplus1, Raven262
12:14 Raven262 xD
12:14 Calinou I believe lighting in Minetest is already volumetric
12:14 Raven262 What is that anyway?
12:14 paramat apparently mapnode would double in size, world files become twice the size
12:14 Raven262 Oo
12:14 Calinou the light level of nodes not exposed to any solid node (ie. air surrounded by air) is already computed
12:14 Calinou paramat: ah
12:14 Raven262 What?
12:14 Calinou that would be bearable for most users, especially if we automatically compress worlds
12:14 Calinou (I think eg. LZ4 compression would be suitable)
12:14 Calinou that's very fasst
12:14 Calinou fast*
12:14 paramat (as far as i remember from discussions)
12:15 Raven262 Rendering only the visible part of the world would do much.
12:15 CWz Culling?
12:15 Calinou we already have occlusion culling
12:15 Calinou (and view frustrum culling)
12:15 Calinou since like, 0.3.0
12:15 Calinou occlusion culling is never 100% efficient thoughb
12:15 Raven262 But minetest still calculates light level of air? xD
12:16 Calinou either you make it too conservative and it won't give you much performance improvements (if not worsening performance!), either you make it too agressive and artifacts happen
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12:16 Calinou I think Minecraft had occlusion culling at a time, known as "Advanced OpenGL" (sic), but they ended up removing it
12:16 Calinou since it did not improve performance for most users
12:16 Calinou yes, it does
12:16 Calinou else, if you jump/fly into air, your wielditem and player model would turn all black
12:16 tenplus1 what do they use now ?
12:16 Calinou nothing? just view frustrum culling, I guess
12:16 Calinou like before Beta 1.5
12:17 Calinou it was off by default anyway, I think
12:17 Raven262 I still don't get it why minecraft seems to have much better graphics than minetest, even if one would use minecraft's textures in minetest they would still look different.
12:17 tenplus1 so turning off occlusion culling for some ppl would be an improvement ?
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12:21 lisac thanks VanessaE
12:22 VanessaE you're welcome.
12:22 Raven262 lisac got the voice! :D
12:22 Raven262 Hello lisac.ž
12:22 Raven262 *lisac.
12:23 * rubenwardy purr
12:24 * CWz hi
12:24 CWz odd
12:24 * lisac > Opeth - Harvest.mp3  - [ Blackwater Park #3 ] - [ 02:43 / 06:01 ]
12:24 CWz why is action and /me the same thing
12:25 lisac no idea. I'll still use /me
12:25 lisac it's shorter
12:26 nore CWz: I think /me looks more "grammatically correct" and is more like what you see, but the internal thing is CTCP ACTION or so
12:30 VanessaE oh that reminds me...
12:30 Calinou Minecraft has better art quality
12:31 Calinou same resolution, but Minecraft's pixel artists are just geniuses
12:31 Calinou Minetest went through a lot of effort in 4 years but we still need to improve
12:32 tenplus1 http://oi62.tinypic.com/j9qcg6.jpg
12:32 tenplus1 http://s23.postimg.org/ktg0dy​xob/screenshot_4098097577.jpg
12:32 tenplus1 both mt screenshots
12:32 Calinou tenplus1: yeah, occlusion culling ruined performance for some players back then
12:32 Raven262 Nice, i love the one in the flying island :D
12:33 tenplus1 Calinou: is it any better now ? or would disabling it for some ppl make the game run smoother ?
12:33 Calinou I think they removed it entirely?
12:33 Calinou anyway performance is good in Minecraft for me
12:33 Calinou (now)
12:33 Calinou even without OptiFine
12:34 paramat Opeth, nice
12:34 lisac paramat, lol, foot_on_teh_hill recommended it to me
12:38 VanessaE fek
12:48 tenplus1 o.O
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12:59 tenplus1 hi RobbieF
13:00 RobbieF hi tenplus1! How was your weekend?
13:00 tenplus1 slow... removed player knockback from xanadu, few issues
13:00 tenplus1 you ?
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13:00 RobbieF really? Player knockback is amazing. But that reminds me - I want your help with something LOL
13:01 RobbieF we were just stuck at home; got the new van but stupid insurance company didn't come through with the papers yet, so can't drive it.
13:01 tenplus1 the attacked knockback is ok with 0,0,0 slide in glitch... the new one for servers (moveto) has issues
13:02 RobbieF Player knockback: https://github.com/Cat5TV/tps_​items/blob/master/init.lua#L95
13:02 RobbieF Could you kindly have a quick look at that and either PR or tell me: how can I disable player knockback if the user is wearing the badge? It can be annoying if trying to help someone and a mob is attacking.
13:04 nerzhul RobbieF, we have a real knockback effect in progress on a PR, better than crappy lua modding :)
13:04 tenplus1 lol, thanks nrz :P
13:04 RobbieF Yeah don't pick a fight with tenplus1 here nerzhul! :D
13:04 RobbieF TBH I'm nervous to update minetest-dev at this point...
13:05 nerzhul sorry i think modding is a nice thing, but complex physics should have really high level API in core
13:05 tenplus1 you could add a check in knockback itself and have it look for admin_badge in invntory
13:05 RobbieF Too much drama and bickering
13:05 tenplus1 RobbieF: I'd wait until the chest issue is fixed
13:05 tenplus1 for now those are broken
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13:05 RobbieF tenplus1 is that something you'd be willing to add? I know it's pretty specific to us, but we're awesome... so...
13:05 RobbieF :D
13:06 RobbieF agreed tenplus1
13:06 tenplus1 it's too specific to add to playerplus, but I can tell you what to add :P
13:07 RobbieF tenplus1 I don't like to have to fork a whole mod just for a tiny revision, and then our mod ends up falling behind the main branch.
13:08 tenplus1 will see if there's an easy way to detect admin armor inside playerplus and disable kb
13:08 RobbieF tenplus1 what if you add a priv for no_knockback?
13:08 RobbieF Then, I can just add that priv to this badge
13:08 RobbieF and it's not specific to us
13:08 RobbieF other servers can use no_knockback priv for their admins, etc.
13:08 tenplus1 good point
13:09 Jordach i'm just sitting here playing hearthstone
13:09 Calinou i'm just sitting here playing systemd
13:10 Calinou according to Discord
13:10 Jordach my experience playing magic and other tcgs is paying off, hugely
13:10 lumidify I'm just sitting here hating systemd
13:11 Jordach if you want to trigger s o f a r
13:11 Jordach say systemd sucks
13:11 lumidify systemd sucks
13:11 lumidify BSD ftw
13:12 * lumidify will shut up now and maybe not start a flame war
13:12 Jordach >opponent left
13:12 Jordach gg ez
13:12 nerzhul lumidify, sorry i'm a great BSD fan on servers, but as a Linux systems engineer at work i really like systemd capabilities and multi instance model
13:13 lumidify I just hate bloated software
13:13 nerzhul java is bloated software
13:13 lumidify Which is why I don't use it :)
13:14 nerzhul systemd has an interesting point: it unified some components which doesn't works well together before (hello udev)
13:14 celeron55 C++ is bloated software
13:14 lumidify Well, all software is bloated, some is just less bloated
13:14 nerzhul i don't mean systemd-resolved is good (beurk)
13:14 lumidify C is still my favorite language
13:14 nerzhul C++03 is bloated software, long live C++17 :D
13:14 nerzhul too long to write C, C++ powa :D
13:14 lumidify One of my favorite sites: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/ :P
13:15 nerzhul lol Go in less harmful, and 9p as a stockage protocol what is that shit
13:16 nerzhul this list is just ridiculous
13:16 tenplus1 RobbieF: it's added, git updated
13:16 Calinou harmful is a satire site
13:16 Calinou don't take it seriously
13:17 Calinou even the authors don't believe themselves, I think
13:17 Calinou software tea parties deserve no recognition anyway :)
13:18 lumidify Calinou: who doesn't like tea parties?
13:19 lumidify *fine*, /me will shut up now...
13:20 * Jordach had a giggle at that
13:20 Jordach lmao
13:21 tenplus1 RobbieF: added 'no_knockback' priv to make things simple :P  github.com/tenplus1/playerplus
13:28 VanessaE bbl
13:28 * benrob0329 pops in
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13:47 tenplus1 hi octacian
13:47 octacian hey tenplus1
13:48 * tenplus1 is watching Every Amiga game in one video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro9S27OJVgo
13:49 RobbieF thanks tenplus1! That'll do nicely.
13:49 tenplus1 :P
13:50 RobbieF How do you make an item add a priv when you wear the item?
13:50 RobbieF (3d_armor)
13:50 tenplus1 that only work on the new 3d_armor mod which is still being developed...  not even upgraded to that one yet :P
13:52 RobbieF Yeah I'm on the "new" 3d_armor
13:52 RobbieF well, the branch I'm on is the multiskin branch
13:52 tenplus1 I gotta look into that one and see what's new :)
13:52 RobbieF pretty sure that's what you mean?
13:53 tenplus1 yeah... xanadu is still using old stable version...
13:53 tenplus1 would be great to update to 1.8 skins soon
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13:54 tenplus1 hi NathanS21
13:54 tenplus1 for now anyone with an admin badge, you can grant that priv
13:54 NathanS21 hi tenplus1
13:56 RobbieF tenplus1 yes I suppose. It'd be nice to have that priv work ONLY when the badge is worn though
13:58 tenplus1 will look into the new 3d_armor and see if it's easily done... am sure you can attach a function or priv to the badge when its in use
14:05 benrob0329 Ohhh, I have an idea!!
14:05 tenplus1 ?
14:05 benrob0329 Add a trampoline to MTG as a sneak ladder alternative
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14:06 benrob0329 Place at the bottom of your mineshaft, and hold space to build up hight
14:06 Jordach >EEVblog mailbag
14:06 Jordach PogChamp
14:06 benrob0329 After a bit you'll fly back up to the surface
14:07 tenplus1 lol, that's a bit cheaty... we have slimeblocks added to xanadu to bounce on but it reduces your height with each bounce and no fall damage
14:07 benrob0329 that's how current trampolines work
14:08 benrob0329 Tbh its more fun a sneak ladder :P
14:08 benrob0329 *than a
14:08 tenplus1 I liked the old sneak method... parkour using it was so much fun
14:08 benrob0329 Sneak yes
14:09 benrob0329 2 node jump yes
14:09 benrob0329 Sneak ladder...meh
14:09 benrob0329 I didn't really use it, too much work
14:10 benrob0329 Ik people did, and id still like to find better ways for people to make elevators
14:10 Jordach *autistic screeching*
14:10 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/0siSURL.png
14:10 tenplus1 lol
14:11 benrob0329 >windows 10
14:11 benrob0329 TRIGGERED
14:11 Jordach >already completed security patches nightly
14:11 Jordach >updated when i wasn't busy
14:11 Jordach >no issues with wannacry
14:11 benrob0329 >is always busy
14:12 Jordach aYY LMAO
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14:12 benrob0329 I'm often up for more than 12 hours
14:12 benrob0329 A lot more
14:12 tenplus1 wb DS-minetest
14:12 DS-minetest thanks tenplus1 :)
14:12 DS-minetest hi all
14:13 benrob0329 Id much rather update overnight, aka around 2 am
14:13 Jordach benrob0329, i do mine on shut down / restart
14:13 Jordach (the classical way, but more effective)
14:13 * tenplus1 updates lubuntu every morning when I turn it on... only takes 2 mins
14:13 benrob0329 true
14:13 Jordach i don't have issues with windows 10 as a RFTM
14:13 Jordach RTFM
14:14 benrob0329 Ill probably update gentoo once a week er somethin
14:14 benrob0329 Takes a while to do so as everything is source built
14:14 tenplus1 I could leave it to weekly, but am too damn curious to see what's new :DDD
14:15 benrob0329 But Ubuntu is stable/crusty
14:15 benrob0329 Stable/crusty/rusty
14:15 tenplus1 I have backports enabled for latest stuff
14:16 benrob0329 And now its unstable/rusty
14:16 benrob0329 Its an unholy mixture
14:16 tenplus1 lolol
14:16 benrob0329 Kill it with fire!!
14:17 tenplus1 am happy, it's very stable :D
14:17 benrob0329 Funnily enough gentoo defaults to stable
14:18 benrob0329 But not debian style stable
14:18 tenplus1 that's a good thing...  get it working and then enable unstable if you feel courage :D
14:18 benrob0329 yeah, I unmask some packages to install latest version
14:19 benrob0329 Like ill probably unmask firefox so I can get 53
14:19 tenplus1 they should always have latest ff in stable
14:19 benrob0329 Unfortunately minetest has no maintainer :-(
14:20 tenplus1 I tend to install that from launchpad
14:20 benrob0329 They should, but there have been some building issues with it
14:20 benrob0329 stable has the extended support release afaik
14:27 Calinou Windows 10 allows 18 hours of Activity Hours since the Creators Update, instead of 12
14:27 Calinou so you can make it reboot (when not using) only between 0:00 and 8:00 for example
14:27 tenplus1 18 activity hours ???
14:27 Calinou 2:00 and 8:00 even
14:27 Calinou yeah
14:28 Calinou outside of the activity hours, your PC may reboot to apply updates when unused
14:28 tenplus1 shouldnt it be up to user when they wanna reboot and not the system
14:28 Calinou "unused" is very broad though
14:28 Calinou a Steam download or a FileZilla upload will not be seen as activity, your PC will reboot anyway and cancel the download/upload
14:28 Calinou :D
14:28 Calinou yeah but this is Windows 10
14:28 benrob0329 like, it shouldn't reboot if I leave it to upload a YT video
14:29 benrob0329 nor should I even need to worry about thay
14:30 tenplus1 I remember some guy rendering a movie and it had a reboot countdown in 11 minutes... he was seriously pissed
14:31 Raven262 I was playing a game on win10, and it shut down without warning, to update.
14:31 Raven262 That was the last time i used win10
14:31 tenplus1 win10 update is seriously flawed...
14:31 NathanS21 wasn't there some guy doing a live stream of some game, when his system shutdown to do a upgrade.
14:31 Raven262 I have win7 now, and this linux mint that i use most of the time.
14:32 NathanS21 I remember that being a huge deal, I forget if he was trying to break a record for the longest stream or something.
14:50 * Jordach should probably finish that main menu prototype
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14:52 * Jordach puts on some Joe Satriani
14:52 tenplus1 nice
14:52 Jordach ...on cassette
14:52 tenplus1 RobbieF: https://github.com/Cat5TV/tps_items/pull/1
14:53 RobbieF woh, I didn't know you were working on it! THANKS!
14:53 tenplus1 it SHOULD work... not tested :P
14:53 tenplus1 all it does is grant and revoke the 'no_knockback' priv when you put on and take off badge
14:54 RobbieF wonderful! thanks!
14:54 tenplus1 :P
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14:56 tenplus1 wb paramat
14:56 Jordach tenplus1, got any modpacks for /mods/
14:56 * Jordach needs to test hard
14:56 tenplus1 I dont use modpacks
14:57 Jordach tenplus1, anything with a modpack.txt
14:57 Jordach ah
14:57 Jordach mesecons
14:57 Jordach https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-m​od-mesecons/blob/master/modpack.txt
14:57 tenplus1 is something broken ?
14:57 Jordach tenplus1, need to check if shit works as expected
14:58 Jordach wat
14:58 Jordach tenplus1, download mesecons
14:58 Jordach as a zipball pleaes
14:59 Jordach don't install it
14:59 tenplus1 hold on
14:59 Jordach drop into /mods/
14:59 Jordach because renaming makes a new folder entirely
14:59 Jordach with duplicate contents
14:59 Jordach if that's the case with the non menu variant
15:00 Jordach then that's a bug i can squash at the same time
15:00 benrob0329 Jordach: that's probably just the way you extracted it
15:00 Jordach benrob0329, no
15:00 benrob0329 I often find that something has extracted into double folders
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15:01 tenplus1 k, dropped into mods, what next
15:01 benrob0329 Well, not often
15:01 tenplus1 hi WhoAreYou
15:01 DI3HARD139 Hello WhoAreYou
15:01 benrob0329 ho WhoAreYou
15:01 paramat heh
15:01 Jordach tenplus1, go to the mods tab, highlight mesecons-master and then rename it
15:01 WhoAreYou Hello 10+1, DI3 and benrob. :)
15:01 benrob0329 I was just about to ask that you be voiced :-)
15:02 tenplus1 worked
15:02 benrob0329 Jordach: ohhh, now I see
15:02 Jordach benrob0329, http://i.imgur.com/l8tnGUR.png
15:02 benrob0329 I thought you mean mesecons/jeija-minetest-mesecons thing
15:03 benrob0329 Where the archibe gets extracted to anothet sub folder
15:04 DS-minetest oh god, the setting messages are soo flooding
15:04 Jordach tenplus1, if your result matches that image, then that's a bug i should be able to fix
15:04 tenplus1 yup, same contents
15:05 Jordach made sure it wasn't my code introducing a bug
15:05 paramat sneakers, in old code you could avoid damage when falling a long way on a sneak ladder and stopping using the 'sneak' key, do you want this lack of damage preserved in new sneak ladder code?
15:06 Raven262 I think that should be preserved.
15:06 tenplus1 the lack of damage when falling using old sneak method was an obvious bug... this shoudl be fixed
15:06 paramat because i've noticed descending a sneak ladder is not much fun if you have to catch your fall every 4 nodes
15:06 tenplus1 but the ability to climb along ledges and jump using sneak was important
15:07 Raven262 But one could possibly get his hands on the ladder while falling.
15:07 paramat but sneak ladder was an obvious bug too
15:07 paramat that's no argument
15:07 tenplus1 was a fun glitch, as if playes were using hands to pull themselves up a block :) handy
15:09 paramat descending a sneak ladder with damage is fairly slow and irritating, players probably want the old behaviour. remember this is the new sneak code option enabled with 'sneak glitch' (default off)
15:10 tenplus1 nope, the falling with no damage is bad... we NEED damage... it forces players to ethier descend safely or drop onto trampoline, mushroom pore, slimeblock or water
15:10 paramat the idea of this option is to replicate as closely as possible the old sneak side-effects
15:10 tenplus1 add the damage dude, it's important...  sneaking has to come at a cost...  falling from a cliff and saving yourself last minute with sneak messes up game
15:11 paramat still no argument, players may want what they were used to, nevermind how it should be
15:11 paramat but ok that's one opinion, thanks
15:12 behalebabo sneak is used by most of the players on my server as a way to navigate builds and mines, not for damage avoidance; using it that way is a very clear exploit whereas the ladder itself is somewhat limited and does not bypass usual game mechanics.
15:13 tenplus1 was going to add gloves to 3d_armor so that the sneak bug could be used properly and disabled when nto wearing them...
15:13 Raven262 make player 1/2 high when he sneaks, so he can go trough 1x1 hole.
15:13 Raven262 We need that.
15:14 Calinou that'd be too intense
15:14 Raven262 Would make stuff fun
15:14 Calinou the player does not "sneak" from a third person perspective, too
15:14 Calinou so this is why we don't lower eye height unlike in Minecraft
15:14 Raven262 That should be done too
15:14 Calinou I don't think so
15:14 Raven262 No?
15:15 Calinou I believe we should take good ideas from any place, but we don't have to copy every game design aspect of Minecraft
15:15 Calinou think of our sneak as a "walk" rather than a "crouch"
15:15 Calinou (we could have both, though, like in eg. many modern FPSes)
15:15 Raven262 I didn't know minecraft has that.
15:15 Calinou (inb4 someone suggests proning)
15:15 * Raven262 never really played MC.
15:15 Calinou heh
15:16 Calinou you're suggesting Minecraft features but you never played the game :P
15:16 Calinou I spent over 1,500 hours on the game
15:16 Raven262 I didn't have minecraft in mind xD
15:16 tenplus1 it just seems natural to lower eye level when sneaking/crouching
15:16 Calinou yes, but then we need a real sneaking animation for 3rd person
15:16 Calinou right now, we just have a slowed down walk animation
15:18 paramat it's called 'sneak' but really it's just a careful wallk
15:18 tenplus1 lolol
15:18 paramat *walk
15:18 Jordach ah shit
15:18 Jordach i need a build with cURL
15:18 Jordach sfan5, need a cURL build with commit ID c6e96c6
15:18 sfan5 all mah builds have curl
15:18 Jordach modstore is missing
15:19 sfan5 can i just make a new one of master?
15:19 Jordach wat
15:19 Calinou all your curl are belong to us
15:19 * Jordach has a missing modstore
15:20 red-005 this channel is getting too active for my bnc
15:20 Jordach r e k t
15:20 Calinou tesserekt!
15:20 paramat hmm ok damage happens on sneak ladder in master too, i thought it was avoided, so it was intentional
15:20 Jordach m-m-m-mega rekt
15:21 benrob0329 paramat: there should always be fall damage unless its a soft node/liquid
15:21 * Jordach modified the mobos standard headphone output to RCA/Phono line level
15:21 tenplus1 +100 benrob
15:21 benrob0329 As in, yes there should be sneak ladder damage
15:22 tenplus1 thats the whole reason I added mushroom pore and slimeblocks
15:22 Jordach tenplus1, lmao http://i.imgur.com/5s3hjcx.png
15:22 tenplus1 one to cut all fall damage and stop player jumping, and the other to allow bouncing
15:22 paramat interesting, i thought players would want the old avoidance
15:22 Jordach old movement type
15:22 Jordach damage when falling
15:22 benrob0329 and trampolines, which could also be an alternative to sneak ladders
15:22 tenplus1 lol Jordach
15:23 benrob0329 A more exciting alternative at that :P
15:23 Jordach reminds me
15:23 red-005 oh my bnc doesn't correctly log /msg's
15:23 Jordach F
15:24 benrob0329 Imo if people need to exploit bugs to make the game fun, your missing something
15:24 Jordach it's a feature
15:24 Jordach *rollsafe meme*
15:24 benrob0329 Features are documented bugs
15:24 Jordach topkek
15:24 Jordach benrob0329, http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icon​s/original/000/018/784/topkek.png
15:25 tenplus1 sneak bug is definitely a feature, it provides too many handy things t the game when enabled :)))
15:25 benrob0329 tenplus1: currently, yes
15:25 tenplus1 which is why I was talking about 3d_armor gloves to enable it
15:25 Jordach tenplus1, isn't that part of player physics?
15:25 benrob0329 But such movement should be done properly imo
15:25 benrob0329 Not as a sneal bug
15:25 benrob0329 *k
15:25 tenplus1 yes, but can be disabled and only enabled when wearing a certain armor piece
15:25 tenplus1 ultimate topkek: http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/i​mages/facebook/000/617/381/26b
15:26 benrob0329 But I don't need gloves to grab a hold of somethinh
15:26 benrob0329 It just helps me to not damage my hands (hint hint)
15:26 tenplus1 lol
15:27 benrob0329 But there are a lot of things id change if I were to wrote the player mechanics
15:27 paramat sneak ladder / sneak jump are features now
15:28 benrob0329 *write
15:28 paramat ok, i forgot the amount of effort put into avoiding damage on sneak ladders, so yeah damage is fine
15:28 tenplus1 will this and new disable fire on servers be added to next build ? also maybe vanessae's chest improvements
15:29 paramat see thread 1693, i've asked mtg devs for their opinions, just needs another +1
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15:30 tenplus1 hi DI3HARD139
15:30 DI3HARD139 hello
15:30 tenplus1 wait a sec, you removed your own approval ?
15:31 paramat on 1693? no
15:31 tenplus1 paramat added >= Two approvals One approval and removed One approval >= Two approvals labels 5 hours ago
15:32 paramat i misunderstood rubenwardy's 'go ahead' as a +1, he clarified it was a 'neutral' soon after
15:32 tenplus1 damn
15:33 paramat 'go ahead' sounded like a +1, luckily i was cautious
15:35 * benrob0329 has all his stuff back on his computer :D
15:36 benrob0329 Still gotta finish "ricing" i3, but its better than it was
15:37 benrob0329 I'll take a scteenshot when I get it finished :P
15:37 benrob0329 I wanna have those semi-transparent terminals I always see :PP
15:38 tenplus1 lol
15:39 benrob0329 I can see it as a song now
15:39 benrob0329 "I want some <bead drop> semi-trans-parent term-in-als"
15:40 Calinou heh, I was an user of transparent terminals for a while
15:40 Calinou I remember the drama about GNOME 3 removing that feature
15:40 Calinou (back in 2013/2014)
15:41 benrob0329 Lol
15:41 Calinou I stopped using them though
15:41 Calinou even my Yakuake is opaque
15:41 Calinou it's more readable this way
15:41 benrob0329 Eh, depends
15:41 benrob0329 On how your background is, as well as how transparent the terminal background is
15:42 tenplus1 only transparent thing on my desky is the taskbar ;)
15:43 benrob0329 No window borders + bit of a gap around windows = beautiful
15:43 tenplus1 nice... sounds speedy to updat
15:43 Calinou the task bar here on KDE is translucent too
15:44 Calinou only slightly
15:44 benrob0329 Ill probably need to swap out vanilla i3 for i3-gaps though
15:44 benrob0329 Add some functionality in that department
15:47 benrob0329 Funny thing about terminal apps
15:47 benrob0329 Theu have the ultimate flat theme
15:48 tenplus1 I do like flat themes, they redraw a lot quicker
15:49 benrob0329 http://ranger.nongnu.org/
15:52 Calinou https://github.com/sorin-ionescu/prezto - https://the.exa.website/ - http://jonas.nitro.dk/tig/ - https://micro-editor.github.io/ - http://vim.spf13.com/ - http://tldr-pages.github.io/
15:52 Calinou ultimate command line starter pack ^
15:52 benrob0329 ranger + themed urxvt + image/video preview enabled = nice
15:53 Jordach Calinou, thats a good example of https://thebestmotherfucking.website/
15:53 benrob0329 Kek
15:53 Calinou I use all of these, makes CLI much better
15:53 Jordach Calinou, this one specifically https://the.exa.website/
15:53 Calinou yeah, domain is nice
15:53 benrob0329 Jordach: you were too slow, I posted that a couple weeks ago
15:54 Jordach http://jonas.nitro.dk/tig/ is a http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/
15:54 nerzhul Calinou, it's not in 2013/2014 but in 2016
15:55 nerzhul since these day i switched to terminology :D
15:55 Jordach >TODO Disabled due to service being offline, and not likely to come online again, in this form
15:55 Jordach ahhhh
15:55 Jordach i seeeee
15:57 Jordach at least i've got innovation down to a T in MT
15:58 benrob0329 Great, now make it run gud
15:58 Jordach already does that
15:59 benrob0329 Meh, not really
15:59 benrob0329 MT doesn't scale with the hardware well
15:59 Jordach benrob0329, it's based on tabs, but makes it better overall
16:00 benrob0329 I don't think you understood my statement
16:00 benrob0329 I'm talking performance
16:02 rubenwardy !g terminology
16:02 ShadowBot rubenwardy: Terminology - Wikipedia - Terminology is the study of terms and their use. Terms are words and compound words or multi-word expressions that in specific contexts are given specific meanings ... </l/?kh=-1&uddg=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wi​kipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTerminology>, Terminology - definition of terminology by The Free Dictionary - ter·mi·nol·o·gy (tûr′mə-nŏl′ə-jē) n. pl. (7 more messages)
16:03 rubenwardy !g terminology terminal
16:03 ShadowBot rubenwardy: About Terminology - Download Terminology Here. Code quality - Coverity scan status. Terminology is a terminal emulator for Linux/BSD/UNIX etc. systems that uses EFL and has a whole bunch ... </l/?kh=-1&uddg=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.enli​ghtenment.org%2Fabout%2Dterminology>, GitHub - billiob/terminology: The best terminal emulator ... - terminology - The best terminal emulator based on (6 more messages)
16:04 tenplus1 didnt know we had google searches in chat
16:09 benrob0329 !benrob0329 terminology
16:10 tenplus1 !g xanadu minetest
16:10 ShadowBot tenplus1: Minetest Forums • View topic - Xanadu Server - Minetest Forums. The official Minetest discussion board. ... fox from xanadu wrote:I got a lead on the greafer he loged in as creepersRFun mineing is with hem in this ... </l/?kh=-1&uddg=https%3A%2F%2Fforum.minetes​t.net%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fid%3D8494%26p%3D2>, Minetest Forums • View topic - Xanadu Server - Xanadu server runs the (6 more messages)
16:10 benrob0329 Terminology is an EFL based terminal, features include image previews and in teminal videos.
16:11 benrob0329 Terminology can be run in the Framebuffer as well.
16:11 benrob0329 !g benrob0329
16:11 ShadowBot benrob0329: benrob0329 · GitHub - benrob0329 has 3 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub. </l/?kh=-1&uddg=https%3A%2F%​2Fgithub.com%2Fbenrob0329>, benrob0329's videos - Vidme - benrob0329 . Follow. 519 views; 54 video points; 23 comment points; 0 watching; Joined Dec 17, 2016 ; I post content mostly gaming videos) every Thursday. I also run ... (6 more messages)
16:12 tenplus1 gotta admit, E17/bodhi linux is pretty amazing...  fast as hell in 2d/3d for such low specs
16:12 benrob0329 But enlightenment is...interesting
16:12 benrob0329 Yes its fast, but everything feels almost-polished but not-quite-polished
16:13 Wayward_One hi all :)
16:13 tenplus1 I used it on desky for some time and it was a pleasure to use :)
16:13 tenplus1 wb wayward
16:13 benrob0329 Hi Wayward_One
16:13 benrob0329 tenplus1: then why'd you stop? :-)
16:14 tenplus1 I prefer no frills Lubuntu :)) it works well and low memory
16:14 benrob0329 i3 ftw
16:14 benrob0329 Simple as hell to configure, can swap the different parts of it too
16:14 benrob0329 Wjat few there are anyways
16:15 tenplus1 heh :P
16:17 benrob0329 you've got i3, i3-status (the command that shows date etc on the task bar) and dmenu
16:17 benrob0329 Oh, and i3bar, for the actual bar
16:18 tenplus1 how much memory you using sittingon a normal desktop with nothing running but i3 ?
16:18 benrob0329 dunno, I haven't checked
16:18 benrob0329 Ill check in a few
16:18 benrob0329 Got some stuff to do before I sit back down
16:18 tenplus1 no probs :P
16:19 tenplus1 my lxde desky uses 120mb memory on boot
16:25 benrob0329 tenplus1: 167 mib, with Xorg being the most intensive thing running
16:25 tenplus1 sounds about right :) what services u got running ?
16:26 tenplus1 network manager, power manager, screensaver ? etc
16:27 benrob0329 Network is just dhcpd, power manager is just normal acpi, etc
16:28 benrob0329 I haven't really needed anything more complex
16:28 tenplus1 not bad... I use xfce_power cause of my ups
16:28 Sokomine what's the status regarding pathfinding of mobs - if there are doors and other door-like items (probably even ladders) as part of the path?
16:29 benrob0329 Ill probably install xsreensaver at some point, and figure out how to disable the default screen turn off
16:29 benrob0329 Oh, I do have udevil + devmon running
16:30 tenplus1 Sokomine: mobs api pathfinding is still quite simple.. 2 levels, level1 = find a way to get to player (works through water,plants), level2= build up, break walls (level1 only)
16:32 tenplus1 oops,w ater+_plants not yet cause pull is still in progress... ehehe...
16:37 tenplus1 line_of_sight and pathfinding both need a way to work it's way through "airlike" and "buildable_to" nodes
16:38 tenplus1 prolly "floodable" as well
16:49 Sokomine tenplus1: hmm. build up, break walls...that's certainly not desired. and it's not a player i'm after
16:50 tenplus1 Sokomine: pathfinding for each mob can be set to off, level1 or level2 :) it's not always active
16:50 Sokomine hmm. guess ladders will then pose a significant problem. same as doorlike nodes?
16:50 tenplus1 there's a mod called aliveai that can handle doors and ladders for npcs
16:51 Sokomine players are only of some intrest to the mobs :-) guess mostley they'll want to meet each other
16:51 Sokomine ah :-) havn't tested it with doors and ladders yet. but the mod as such was very intresting and nice
16:54 tenplus1 burli's new pathfinding routine looks promising tho, will look into that soon
16:54 Sokomine maybe i ought to pre-calculate paths inside the houses. after all those are pretty fixed
16:55 Sokomine trouble is that my half doors may not be recognizable to a mob as a door. and at least one house has the beds (=targets of the mobs at night) upstairs, reachable only through a ladder. maybe i ought to change that
16:55 Sokomine still, stairs...not sure if they can use those?
16:56 tenplus1 pathfinding can use stairs, it registers the air nodes above them as a path
16:56 Sokomine ah. i had moved the beds downstairs in that one house. still, the miners need to know how to climb
16:56 Sokomine ah. that's good!
16:57 Sokomine player-made pathfinding or something out of core?
16:57 tenplus1 burli has player made pathfinding which works a lot better than core...
17:05 Sokomine sounds promising. there are so many nice mob mods out there
17:05 tenplus1 indeed, many folk working on api's now :) it's great
17:08 garywhite hi guys
17:10 Sokomine hi
17:10 tenplus1 hi gary
17:12 benrob0329 Hi garywhite
17:15 lisac hey MT devs, would it be possible to have some sort of movement prediction? So that carts move normally?
17:15 lisac ex. They currently slide out of tracks on corners
17:16 lisac and go forwards-backwards
17:16 Sokomine that's been wished for for a long time. maybe with client side modding it'll eventually work
17:18 lisac :( It took 2 years to build railway on Craig's server lol
17:18 lisac and it's mostly unused due to movement bugs.
17:18 lisac can server mods send data to the client mods?
17:18 tenplus1 I thought new carts setup did just that, predict the rail ahead ?
17:30 Shara Hello all
17:31 tenplus1 hi shara :D
17:31 VanessaE hi
17:32 Shara Every day this channel seems busier!
17:32 tenplus1 hopefully that's a good thing ;D
17:33 VanessaE a very good thing :)
17:35 Calinou hi
17:35 Calinou https://lut.im/rrW1vBoEyx/BRjpZtNvG7drHM6G.png
17:35 Calinou :D
17:35 Calinou (https://deployer.org/)
17:35 rubenwardy you know what feature Minetest is missing the most?
17:35 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=17576
17:35 rubenwardy /s
17:36 tenplus1 gender ?? nooooooo keep that outta the forum AND especially game
17:38 Calinou male/female/cyborg
17:38 Calinou like Quake 2 :D
17:38 Calinou the cyborg is always taken by noobs though
17:38 Calinou and all pros use female model, because its sounds are quieter and the shape thinner
17:40 Calinou also, the last replies of that thread are gold, rubenwardy
17:40 Calinou they just scream "lava is hot" to me :P
17:40 tenplus1 lolol
17:41 rubenwardy Offtopic is leaking in to other sections
17:41 VanessaE nuke "offtopic" from orbit./
17:42 Calinou heh, there is a spambot on the forums, it set an… ICQ address
17:42 Calinou and a Jabber
17:42 Calinou anyway, dealt with it
17:43 rubenwardy setting a Jabber address should result in an immediate ban from the forums
17:43 rubenwardy like, ip ban
17:43 tenplus1 ?
17:44 Calinou phpBB has fields (by default) for ICQ/Jabber
17:44 Calinou and personal website too
17:44 Calinou very few legitimate people fill the ICQ and Jabber ones
17:44 tenplus1 could never remember my ancient icq and jabber account :P
17:45 Calinou I never used these really
17:46 tenplus1 sweeeet, today's dev build works well... chests back to 'main' and shara's no highlight pull works well :)) am using it as def.
17:49 Shara :D
17:49 tenplus1 looks a lot cleaner now, no more hovering halo or boxes over everything I look at :)
17:49 Calinou HAHAHA
17:50 Calinou I tried… http://wiki.minetest.net/index.php?title=Mine​test.conf%2Ffr&amp;diff=15420&amp;oldid=11930
17:50 Calinou had to do another edit to fix it, http://wiki.minetest.net/index.php?title=Mine​test.conf%2Ffr&amp;diff=15421&amp;oldid=15420
17:50 benrob0329 heh, xscreensaver's pong can act as a clock
17:52 tenplus1 lol
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17:54 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1732 has 1.5 approval...  it's a-going in :PPP
17:55 Calinou benrob0329: try Xonotic 0.8.2
17:55 Calinou it has built-in multiplayer minigames (sometimes up to 4 players)
17:55 Calinou pong, connect four, and more
17:55 tenplus1 lolol
17:56 VanessaE tenplus1: I don't think half an approval is enough to push it over the top
17:56 VanessaE I need more :+1:'s
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17:56 tenplus1 lol... 1.5 isnt half bad :PP ahah
17:56 tenplus1 hi cx384
17:56 cx384 hi tenplus1
17:57 cx384 and hi all others
17:57 Calinou https://lut.im/ezqhNXpQiv/EgfEiZBzjhxPAyml.jpg
17:58 Calinou you can play against a bot in Tic-Tac-Toe and pong
17:58 Calinou pong can be played with 2/3/4 players
17:58 Calinou other games are usually 2 players only, and no bots
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18:04 tenplus1 wb rubenwardy
18:04 rubenwardy yo yo
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19:48 tenplus1 933 ads blocked and counting o.O
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19:50 tenplus1 wb nrz
20:01 VanessaE tenplus1: there was a bug once on the "occupy democrats" where it would get stuck in a loop, loading more and more and more ads, that ABP and Ublock-origin would catch, eventually over 2k
20:01 VanessaE the .. website*
20:01 VanessaE they eventually fixed it
20:02 tenplus1 so far ublock is reporting 970 blocked ads for this one single video as I watch it it goes up
20:02 benrob0329 Heh
20:02 tenplus1 also, was the AsyncErr cleared for mesecond with the https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1732 in place ?
20:02 benrob0329 *turns off ublock*
20:03 benrob0329 *computer explodes*
20:03 tenplus1 noooooo, ublock is saving me
20:03 VanessaE I assume it was simply the website trying to detect that ads aren't loading, and repeating attempts to load them
20:03 tenplus1 youtube has some major memory issues on browsers tho
20:04 Shara It's blocking into the hundreds for me right now as well
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20:05 tenplus1 wb rubenwardy
20:05 benrob0329 The problem is that I want to support creators
20:05 rubenwardy yo
20:05 Shara H rubenwardy
20:05 Shara Hi*
20:05 benrob0329 'Sup ruben?
20:06 * benrob0329 says that with a new york gangsta' voice
20:06 tenplus1 lol
20:07 benrob0329 Actually, idk that I can do a new york impression
20:07 tenplus1 do it in a brummy accent :D
20:17 * Jordach has Worms 2 flashbacks
20:18 tenplus1 great game :D
20:18 Jordach or Armageddon
20:18 tenplus1 surprisingly the video I'm watching is every amiga game released in one video... over 7hrs... been playing in the background most of teh day :P worms is just about coming up
20:18 Jordach LEMMINGS
20:18 tenplus1 lemmings worlds :D
20:19 VanessaE thanks a lot, Jordach
20:19 VanessaE now I have the one of the tunes from the c64 version stuck in my head.
20:19 Jordach VanessaE, you expect me to program lemmings in MT
20:19 VanessaE (I think it's "Can Can")
20:19 Jordach (alright, i'd probably end up doing it 1:1)
20:19 tenplus1 lemmings is possible in mt :D
20:20 Jordach *does it in formspecs*
20:20 tenplus1 hahaha
20:20 tenplus1 for some reason I have "thing on a spring" theme playing in my head now ?!?!?!
20:22 Jordach VanessaE, no flimbos quest, turrican, wing commander?
20:22 VanessaE never played any of those, though I vaguely remember Flimbo's Quest (from the "Back in Time III" album)
20:22 Jordach not forgetting battle squadron
20:22 VanessaE Parallax :)
20:22 Jordach (these may be amiga era)
20:23 tenplus1 amiga was a great gaming machine....  so many memories :P
20:23 * Jordach performs black magic and somehow gets MT server running on a Amiga
20:23 tenplus1 Xenon II ... Speedball II ... Extase ... Psygnosis :P
20:23 VanessaE that shouldn't be hard, Amigas are fairly powerful for the era
20:24 VanessaE (and they're 32 bit, with good graphics for the time)
20:24 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/ZF3EyNM.jpg
20:24 tenplus1 oh yes... has the ability to hit 1280x768 at 4096 colours
20:24 VanessaE good lort
20:24 VanessaE lord*
20:24 tenplus1 lol Jordach
20:25 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/ivoQ6At.mp4
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20:32 tenplus1 wb Darcidride
20:34 tenplus1 lol, couldnt help but notice than in the old amiga titles for boxing or soccer managers they have the old-style rotary telephones on the desk :D
20:42 tenplus1 sleepy time... nite all :)
20:42 tenplus1 o/
20:42 Raven262 o/
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20:50 KaadmY Is there currently a way to set a callback for when the player opens their inventory?
20:56 KaadmY I need it to update the formspec depending on your current inventory
20:56 KaadmY I might be able to just set the player's formspec when the inventory changes, might be too messy though...
20:59 rubenwardy no
21:01 KaadmY :/
21:03 KaadmY Darn, it's also impossible to have callbacks when the player inventory changes...
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23:32 paramat another beautiful spacex launch
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23:38 * Jordach thinks about buying paramat elite dangerous
23:44 red-005 so why are they not recovering the first stage?
23:47 paramat big satellite going to a high orbit, not enough spare fuel for a landing
23:48 paramat this satellite was originally going to be launced by falcon heavy
23:48 paramat *launched
23:50 paramat that will have the power to launch to a high orbit and land the 3 boosters
23:53 Jordach i got a bug
23:53 Jordach a big big bug
23:53 Jordach DIR_DELIM in builtin does not work at all on windows
23:54 Jordach Could not open file of texture: C:UsersjordaDesktopminetest-0.4.​15texturesbasepackui_button.png
23:55 rubenwardy is this using your modified main menu?
23:55 Jordach rubenwardy, seems to be a windows bug
23:56 paramat i used to play elite on a sinclair ZX spectrum 48K
23:56 Jordach rubenwardy, DIR_DELIM is also in the C/++ codebase
23:56 Jordach it is broken specifically on Win64
23:56 Jordach (and likely Win32)
23:57 Jordach it's not a problem in Lua, since "/" is translated to "\" irregardless of platform
23:57 Jordach when dealing with filepaths
23:57 Jordach (which is what it does to load textures)

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