| Time |
Nick |
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| 00:43 |
shivajiva |
Web_44 looks like the player testing the exploit, hit on storms server ~100 mins ago |
| 00:44 |
shivajiva |
it started banning players shortly after he arrived |
| 00:46 |
shivajiva |
another account attached to his IP had noclip and protection_bypass privs on my server |
| 00:51 |
nore |
shivajiva: what's happening? |
| 01:32 |
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| 01:46 |
benrob0329 |
hello all |
| 01:48 |
shivajiva |
Hi benrob |
| 01:50 |
benrob0329 |
hi shivajiva, whats up? |
| 01:51 |
shivajiva |
just about ready to sleep |
| 01:51 |
Shara |
Hi benrob0329 |
| 01:51 |
Shara |
Hmm |
| 01:51 |
benrob0329 |
hi Shara |
| 01:51 |
shivajiva |
Hi cornernote |
| 01:52 |
cornernote |
Hey shivajiva |
| 01:53 |
shivajiva |
I'm a fan of your skyblock mod :) |
| 01:54 |
Shara |
Hi cornernote |
| 01:55 |
cornernote |
Hey Shara |
| 01:55 |
cornernote |
How is everyone this lovely weekend? |
| 01:55 |
Shara |
Sleepy, but good thanks. |
| 01:56 |
shivajiva |
^ |
| 01:56 |
shivajiva |
hbu? |
| 01:57 |
benrob0329 |
I'm setting up gentoo :P |
| 01:58 |
cornernote |
Went to a crazy club Friday, sleep Saturday |
| 01:59 |
shivajiva |
heh sounds like fun if you had to sleep for a day xD |
| 01:59 |
cornernote |
Speaking of crazy things happening... Got an email from oldcoder recently |
| 02:00 |
shivajiva |
ah me too |
| 02:01 |
nore |
(me too :/) |
| 02:01 |
cornernote |
From his point of view, seems some people are, not sure how to say it, being jerks about something small |
| 02:06 |
shivajiva |
what is this something small? |
| 02:08 |
shivajiva |
need a framework of your understanding of this really |
| 02:09 |
shivajiva |
you seem to know him well, he cites your assistance in providing web resources |
| 02:09 |
cornernote |
Not a lot... I've not been here for a while. Only what was in the email |
| 02:10 |
cornernote |
We have helped each other with both mt and non mt issues in the past |
| 02:13 |
shivajiva |
the content of the email are somewhat fanciful and reveal personal details |
| 02:15 |
shivajiva |
will you be running his Australian branch as suggested? |
| 02:19 |
cornernote |
That wasn't suggest, I think you misunderstood what was offered |
| 02:20 |
cornernote |
I'm not concerned revealing personal details, I'm not a particularly private person, but I understand others maybe |
| 02:20 |
shivajiva |
probably it's a big read |
| 02:27 |
cornernote |
My concern with the email is that oldcoder feels the overwhelming majority of people seem to not want him around, and the email doesn't really explain why... And even if it did it would be his view... |
| 02:28 |
cornernote |
So I guess my question is... Do most people feel he is unwelcome? |
| 02:28 |
benrob0329 |
before this, no |
| 02:29 |
nore |
^ my opinion is that he's alienated himself will all this |
| 02:29 |
Shara |
This channel was not created just to remove him. |
| 02:30 |
cornernote |
benrob0329 before this email? |
| 02:30 |
nore |
(but he thought it was) |
| 02:31 |
benrob0329 |
cornernote: before the "minebest" fork, before the ddos accusations, before any of this started |
| 02:31 |
Shara |
This has been going on for a while. |
| 02:32 |
nore |
well before all the sneak stuff he was not unwelcome at all |
| 02:32 |
nore |
the sneak problem started a fight but it settled in a few days |
| 02:32 |
cornernote |
It's all just discussion |
| 02:32 |
benrob0329 |
and even after the sneak stuff |
| 02:32 |
nore |
except for OC wanting to make a fork, but stealing the name, and registering the trademark |
| 02:33 |
cornernote |
Hopefully my discussion and questions will not make me unwelcome |
| 02:33 |
benrob0329 |
it was the fact that he decided to fork and split the community that alienated him |
| 02:33 |
benrob0329 |
cornernote: nah, your just inquiring. not threatening |
| 02:33 |
Shara |
I think the devs handled the sneak issue poorly, but most of them involved have admitted it should have been handled better as well, and several of them have been trying to fix things. |
| 02:33 |
cornernote |
nore, how does one steal a name? |
| 02:33 |
Shara |
A now respect a few of the devs more than I did to begin with in all truth |
| 02:34 |
Shara |
I now* |
| 02:34 |
cornernote |
And he claimed to have permission to register a trademark, has he even done it? |
| 02:34 |
nore |
cornernote: he explicitely said he wanted to register the trademark, and that he had the means to be better referenced when looking for minetest |
| 02:34 |
nore |
he hasn't yet |
| 02:35 |
nore |
but he set up the "minetest store" on his website which he said was to register the trademark |
| 02:35 |
cornernote |
Shara, I'm not following, they handled it poorly, but you respect them more? |
| 02:36 |
Shara |
cornernote: because people learn and grow |
| 02:36 |
Shara |
I saw people start to listen and change |
| 02:36 |
cornernote |
Ok, that makes sense and is a good thing |
| 02:37 |
nore |
well and after that his server was DDoSed and he came to #-dev asking who did this, refusing to believe no-one there knew and refusing to go to a more appropriate channel such as #minetest to ask that |
| 02:37 |
cornernote |
But why was oc unwelcome as part of this process? |
| 02:37 |
nore |
he was *not* unwelcome |
| 02:37 |
cornernote |
nore, again, just a discussion |
| 02:38 |
nore |
cornernote: yeah, of course :) |
| 02:38 |
cornernote |
The email said he was demoted and kicked |
| 02:38 |
cornernote |
Sounds unwelcome to me |
| 02:38 |
Shara |
cornernote: perhaps it's best you read the logs from the days this happened |
| 02:39 |
Shara |
Then you can review what each side said and reach conclusions |
| 02:39 |
Shara |
These things happened in logged channels |
| 02:39 |
cornernote |
Could you please paste the link? I'm on my phone... But am genuinely interested |
| 02:39 |
Shara |
Would need a date |
| 02:39 |
NathanS21 |
I believe his letter is posted publicly on minetest.org for anybody interested in reading it. |
| 02:40 |
Shara |
Anyone recall the dates of things? |
| 02:40 |
nore |
2017-04-23 for #minetest |
| 02:40 |
nore |
and 2017-04-21 for #minetest-dev |
| 02:41 |
shivajiva |
his posture as the opposition made his position increasingly untenable and his response was to turn to troll like behaviour just like this doxxing he's currently doing |
| 02:41 |
nore |
(I just grepped "kicked OldCoder" from my logs so I might be missing a few things) |
| 02:42 |
Shara |
Thanks nore. I will check for logs |
| 02:42 |
nore |
http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2017-04-21#i_4886105 |
| 02:42 |
Shara |
nore saves me work :) |
| 02:44 |
nore |
http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2017-04-23#i_4893419 for the other one I think |
| 02:44 |
benrob0329 |
you know you have things working when you can listen to the marble machine in 1080p :P |
| 02:45 |
nore |
and there actually http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2017-04-26#i_4898064 |
| 02:46 |
shivajiva |
I find myself asking how he can have a tenable position when he resorts to this but I'm interested in your conclusions cornernote |
| 02:47 |
nore |
(he was also insulting some people with PMs around that time as well) |
| 02:48 |
shivajiva |
unfortunately I will have to read them in the log as I need to sleep, nice to meet you btw :) |
| 02:53 |
benrob0329 |
need to pull git as gentoo doesnt have a maintainer for the minetest package :-( |
| 02:53 |
benrob0329 |
still on .14, even in unstable |
| 02:53 |
Shara |
Heh, so is my server |
| 02:53 |
Shara |
So that's fine :P |
| 02:53 |
benrob0329 |
true |
| 02:54 |
benrob0329 |
but i like to run git anyways :P |
| 02:54 |
Shara |
I'll probably sit down and work out the mess it's in well enough to update it in July or August |
| 02:54 |
benrob0329 |
(Offtopic) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyCIpKAIFyo |
| 02:54 |
Shara |
The debian install was so messed up when I set things up that I am almost scared to touch it |
| 02:54 |
benrob0329 |
might want to back up the .minetest then |
| 02:55 |
Shara |
Yea |
| 02:55 |
benrob0329 |
update, make sure it works, then replace it |
| 02:55 |
benrob0329 |
possibly cleaning things up in the process |
| 02:56 |
Shara |
benrob0329: That music = awesome |
| 02:56 |
benrob0329 |
Shara: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q&list=RDIvUU8joBb1Q#t=47 |
| 02:56 |
benrob0329 |
was inspierd by it :D |
| 02:56 |
Shara |
yea, I know that one :) |
| 02:57 |
benrob0329 |
its the best meme :PP |
| 02:57 |
benrob0329 |
now to watch some i3 tutorials to get this desktop out of the early 2000s |
| 02:57 |
benrob0329 |
its not hard, i just gotta have some help first time around |
| 02:58 |
Shara |
I ended up setting up a different computer just to compile MT... |
| 02:59 |
Shara |
But it felt good to be able to finally test code changes properly again |
| 02:59 |
* benrob0329 |
browses pixabay for backgrounds |
| 03:12 |
cornernote |
Thanks everyone for the feedback... I'll have a look at the logs soon... But I think it's worth mentioning that it's not about being right or wrong, it's about someone who has contributed a lot being unwelcome... It doesn't seem he did anything malicious or damaging, it's all just talk in a chatroom |
| 03:22 |
paramat |
um, he did actually |
| 03:33 |
cornernote |
Ok, do I need to read the logs to find it? |
| 03:39 |
cornernote |
As a channel for an open source game, if people want to ban someone based on a pm, shouldn't they share the pm, obviously with any private info removed? |
| 03:40 |
cornernote |
That's a big call haha... I mean you're including me, right? |
| 03:40 |
cornernote |
In your insane list in 4 years? |
| 03:41 |
cornernote |
Surely I rank somewhere?! |
| 03:41 |
cornernote |
Maybe not top 10, but definitely in top 50 |
| 05:29 |
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| 07:42 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
| 07:43 |
LazyJ |
Howdy tenplus1 ;) |
| 07:43 |
tenplus1 |
hi LazyJ :P |
| 07:50 |
VanessaE |
go back to bed, tenplus1. it's too early :P |
| 07:50 |
VanessaE |
also hi :) |
| 07:50 |
tenplus1 |
lol, hi Vanessa... 8:50am here :D |
| 07:52 |
* tenplus1 |
is checking find_nodes_in_area c++ code to see how it all works :P |
| 07:56 |
VanessaE |
it's *still* too early :P |
| 07:56 |
tenplus1 |
ehehehe |
| 07:56 |
VanessaE |
benrob0329: *poke* |
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| 07:58 |
tenplus1 |
hi nrz |
| 07:59 |
nerzhul |
hi |
| 07:59 |
* tenplus1 |
wonders if find_nodes_in_area_under_air can be amended to find_nodes_in_area_under and find_nodes_in_area_above |
| 08:03 |
red-002 |
huh I see you are back to the subject of the letter |
| 08:03 |
tenplus1 |
? |
| 08:05 |
tenplus1 |
also... line_of_sight needs a bool added for solid_nodes_only |
| 08:05 |
tenplus1 |
so it avoids plantlike etc |
| 08:30 |
tenplus1 |
would this work ok: https://pastebin.com/adwHRUW0 |
| 08:34 |
* red-002 |
shrugs |
| 08:34 |
red-002 |
test it |
| 08:35 |
red-002 |
oh you might want to check if it's airlike not just air |
| 08:37 |
VanessaE |
check for buildable_to. |
| 08:37 |
red-002 |
that would be even better |
| 08:38 |
red-002 |
otherwise plants will block the line of view |
| 08:38 |
tenplus1 |
so change if(n.param0 != CONTENT_AIR) { to if(n.drawtype != NDT_AIRLIKE) { |
| 08:38 |
VanessaE |
tenplus1: ^^^ |
| 08:40 |
tenplus1 |
and if(n.drawtype == NDT_NORMAL) { to if(n.buildable_to == false) { |
| 08:40 |
VanessaE |
you don't need to check the drawtype if you just check buildable_to. |
| 08:40 |
VanessaE |
(air is, also :) ) |
| 08:40 |
tenplus1 |
oh yeah... lol |
| 08:41 |
tenplus1 |
we still need this to be backwards compatibletho... cant just change the function from hereon in |
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| 08:42 |
tenplus1 |
hi cx384 |
| 08:42 |
cx384 |
hi tenplus1 |
| 08:42 |
tenplus1 |
so can keep the airlike check (counts for air and enhances it to airlike nodes).... but inside I can have a check for solid bool and buildable_to nodes ?!? |
| 08:45 |
tenplus1 |
https://pastebin.com/QEk94bQD <-- updated |
| 08:47 |
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| 08:47 |
tenplus1 |
hi CWz |
| 08:48 |
CWz |
aye |
| 08:49 |
tenplus1 |
original line_of_sight code to compare changes: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/2818d3f2244d2146a5cdb61cd41f6561c514f97c/src/serverenvironment.cpp#L494 |
| 08:53 |
* tenplus1 |
pokes Vanessa... |
| 09:00 |
tenplus1 |
red? |
| 09:14 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5762 |
| 09:14 |
tenplus1 |
back laters :D |
| 09:14 |
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| 09:28 |
celeron55 |
oh, cornernote was here |
| 09:29 |
red-002 |
yeah he was asking about all the OC stuff |
| 09:33 |
celeron55 |
i wish he asked for my viewpoint too, but i guess he's sleeping now |
| 09:33 |
celeron55 |
and... i was sleeping then :P |
| 09:46 |
shivajiva |
He'll be aback I'm sure but he's not asleep it's too early |
| 09:51 |
shivajiva |
it's too early for me to type properly it seems |
| 09:51 |
red-002 |
it's always too early for my to ype properly |
| 09:52 |
red-002 |
me* |
| 09:52 |
shivajiva |
:D |
| 09:52 |
red-002 |
to* |
| 09:52 |
red-002 |
case in point I suppose |
| 09:52 |
shivajiva |
nicely done! |
| 09:56 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 10:05 |
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| 10:05 |
tenplus1 |
hi folks |
| 10:05 |
red-002 |
hello tenplus1 |
| 10:05 |
tenplus1 |
hi red |
| 10:05 |
red-002 |
I left some comments on your pr |
| 10:05 |
tenplus1 |
oohkewl :) checkingnow |
| 10:12 |
tenplus1 |
red-002: I thought that stepsize was the last function var and that v3s16 *p was a return value... so I put it inbetween those ? am I wrong ? |
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| 10:13 |
tenplus1 |
wb cx384 |
| 10:14 |
cx384 |
hi :-) |
| 10:15 |
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| 10:15 |
tenplus1 |
hi Fixer |
| 10:16 |
red-002 |
you still have to change it everywhere that the function is called |
| 10:16 |
red-002 |
also you need to change the header |
| 10:16 |
red-002 |
I forgot to mention that |
| 10:17 |
tenplus1 |
o.O more than I know... am not good at c coding |
| 10:18 |
tenplus1 |
so current line_of_sight has (pos1, pos2, stepsize, p) ?? what is p for ? |
| 10:19 |
red-002 |
looks like it's the first node that blocked the line of site |
| 10:19 |
red-002 |
sight* |
| 10:20 |
tenplus1 |
hi shiva |
| 10:20 |
shivajiva |
morning ten :) |
| 10:20 |
tenplus1 |
red-002: so is p a return value or can it be set by function? |
| 10:20 |
tenplus1 |
am confuzzled |
| 10:21 |
red-002 |
no the bool is the return vaule |
| 10:21 |
* shivajiva |
nods in agreement |
| 10:21 |
red-002 |
c++ doesn't allow more then one return vaule |
| 10:21 |
tenplus1 |
so having nobuild before that is ok ? |
| 10:21 |
red-002 |
p is a pointer |
| 10:21 |
red-002 |
well yes it is |
| 10:22 |
red-002 |
I was just saying you need to put it last if you want to give it a default vaule |
| 10:22 |
red-002 |
otherwise it doesn't really matter |
| 10:23 |
tenplus1 |
but wouldnt that mean it's usage would end up being: line_of_sight(pos1, pos2, stepsize, p, nobuild) ?? or would the P part not be there |
| 10:23 |
red-002 |
?? |
| 10:24 |
red-002 |
like I said the order doesn't matter |
| 10:25 |
tenplus1 |
so long as I add nobuild to every reference of line_of_sight in code ? |
| 10:25 |
red-002 |
yes |
| 10:25 |
tenplus1 |
k, will work on that now... thanks :) |
| 10:25 |
red-002 |
or you could give it a default vaule and only change it when you need to |
| 10:26 |
tenplus1 |
it seems erverenvironment.h sets up default values, will use that to make it false |
| 10:37 |
CWz |
started a world up with no protection mods(except for spawn), gonna see how long until things go nuts |
| 10:38 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 10:39 |
VanessaE |
CWz: things aren't likely to "go nuts" but expect the server to be abandoned pretty fasyt |
| 10:40 |
VanessaE |
fast* |
| 10:40 |
VanessaE |
my "Free for all" server was basically like that |
| 10:40 |
VanessaE |
totally unmoderated, protection had to be user-choice, no moderators were expected to do it |
| 10:40 |
red-002 |
wow I just saw a paid minetesthosting server |
| 10:41 |
CWz |
Feck it has begone |
| 10:42 |
VanessaE |
minetesthosting? |
| 10:42 |
CWz |
dat Services sacks |
| 10:42 |
VanessaE |
please tell me that isn't who I think it is |
| 10:43 |
CWz |
It dis |
| 10:43 |
CWz |
http://www.minetesthosting.com/ |
| 10:43 |
tenplus1 |
k, I've prolly messed this up, but: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5762 |
| 10:43 |
tenplus1 |
meanwhile I lunch :PP |
| 10:44 |
red-002 |
can confrim you messed it up |
| 10:44 |
tenplus1 |
lololol |
| 10:44 |
red-002 |
default agruments need to be last |
| 10:44 |
VanessaE |
jesus fuck |
| 10:44 |
* CWz |
squirts catchup, relish and mustard on tenplus1 and places himn in the bun |
| 10:45 |
VanessaE |
Large: $40/month, 10 active worlds, 50 users |
| 10:45 |
tenplus1 |
lol, thanks CWz :P |
| 10:45 |
VanessaE |
I pay $42 a month for the whole damn server and it has a lot more than 10/50 on it some days |
| 10:45 |
red-002 |
wow someone is hosting an server thats using ipv6 |
| 10:45 |
CWz |
yes bad hosting is bad |
| 10:45 |
CWz |
who? |
| 10:46 |
red-002 |
too bad my ISP still doesn't understand ipv6 |
| 10:46 |
CWz |
is hosting ipv6 |
| 10:46 |
red-002 |
dunno |
| 10:46 |
CWz |
Banana Land |
| 10:46 |
red-002 |
the server is called "banana land" |
| 10:46 |
CWz |
? |
| 10:46 |
VanessaE |
so who runs that site anyway? |
| 10:46 |
tenplus1 |
banana!!!!!! |
| 10:46 |
tenplus1 |
hope they have minions |
| 10:47 |
red-002 |
wow too more paid minetesthosting servers |
| 10:47 |
red-002 |
two* |
| 10:47 |
CWz |
that's the watch the word burn experiment that i was talking about |
| 10:47 |
red-002 |
I guessed so much |
| 10:47 |
VanessaE |
ok someone is going to HAVE to show me how to do the same thing, since I have good bandwidth, just not much storage (but that can be upgraded) |
| 10:47 |
Fixer |
just logged in on server and crashed after opening chat again :/ |
| 10:49 |
CWz |
who the Puck payed for a minetesthosting account. it like throwing you pennies at a Walrus |
| 10:49 |
CWz |
VanessaE, what thing? |
| 10:50 |
VanessaE |
CWz: paid hosting |
| 10:50 |
VanessaE |
I mean, I've got the hardware |
| 10:50 |
CWz |
VanessaE, becoming paid hoster? |
| 10:50 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 10:51 |
CWz |
I think setting up something like that is easy, so easy in fact that i don't know how to do it. :( |
| 10:52 |
CWz |
basically the ease of ease of doing so is so easy buffer underflow occurs and it becomes extremely hard |
| 10:52 |
* CWz |
^ should have worded that better |
| 10:52 |
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| 10:53 |
CWz |
i wonder how they accomplished it probably with php or something |
| 10:53 |
CWz |
VanessaE, you could do a manual setup |
| 10:54 |
VanessaE |
I'll give it some thought |
| 10:54 |
red-002 |
well they made a nice frontend for everything |
| 10:54 |
VanessaE |
problem is I would eventually have to upgrade the server - it has the bandwidth, but memory and disk are a little ...snug. |
| 10:54 |
red-002 |
I assume thats why they are so popular |
| 10:55 |
CWz |
i think most of minetesthosting.com's plans don't allow for custom mods |
| 10:56 |
red-002 |
custom mods are listed as coming soon |
| 10:56 |
red-002 |
so correction none allow custom mods |
| 10:56 |
shivajiva |
wonder if they updated WE |
| 10:57 |
CWz |
It's been like that for over a year |
| 10:57 |
CWz |
maybe 2 |
| 10:57 |
red-002 |
shivajiva, lol |
| 10:57 |
red-002 |
I doubt it |
| 10:57 |
red-002 |
last time I checked they are still running on 0.4.14 |
| 10:57 |
shivajiva |
I mentioned it to mcg she pays for hosting there |
| 10:58 |
red-002 |
I can't really check now cause there is no way to filter the serverlist |
| 10:58 |
shivajiva |
correction her parents pay |
| 10:58 |
red-002 |
lol |
| 11:00 |
CWz |
shivajiva, is the hosting any good? |
| 11:00 |
CWz |
i wonder how much VanessaE's mintest hosting plans would cost |
| 11:01 |
CWz |
16$/mo |
| 11:01 |
CWz |
? |
| 11:01 |
shivajiva |
it's weird, the server sleeps when nobody is connected |
| 11:01 |
CWz |
sleeps? |
| 11:01 |
red-002 |
the server is turned off |
| 11:01 |
shivajiva |
but it seems fine on bandwidth, yea it stops announcing |
| 11:01 |
VanessaE |
CWz: if I did it, it would either be $9.95 a month, or $18. |
| 11:02 |
red-002 |
and starts when some tries to connect to that work |
| 11:02 |
red-002 |
port*** |
| 11:02 |
shivajiva |
yes |
| 11:02 |
red-002 |
that is one confusing mistake |
| 11:03 |
CWz |
wonder about the significance of $9.95 a month, or $18. |
| 11:03 |
VanessaE |
red-002: that tells me it's a AWS instance, or maybe linode. |
| 11:03 |
CWz |
AWS? |
| 11:03 |
red-002 |
amzone |
| 11:03 |
red-002 |
amazone? |
| 11:03 |
red-002 |
dunno |
| 11:03 |
VanessaE |
CWz: $9.95 would be the market-friendly version of $10. $18 is a significant number for Jewish folk (it means chai, "life") |
| 11:03 |
VanessaE |
AWS is Amazon yeah |
| 11:03 |
CWz |
×—×™? |
| 11:04 |
VanessaE |
their cloud service. |
| 11:04 |
VanessaE |
CWz: yep, I think that's right (I can barely see the chars) |
| 11:04 |
red-002 |
lol started a server and granted the first person to join all privs |
| 11:04 |
red-002 |
lets see what happens |
| 11:04 |
CWz |
Huh? |
| 11:04 |
shivajiva |
LOL |
| 11:04 |
CWz |
maube those are test servers that they have |
| 11:05 |
shivajiva |
select world, replace with air |
| 11:05 |
CWz |
which one are you on? |
| 11:05 |
Hijiri |
does mcg run each server on its own whatever instance? |
| 11:05 |
red-002 |
I'm was seeing if minetesthosting updated thier servers |
| 11:05 |
red-002 |
looks like no |
| 11:05 |
Hijiri |
ripriprip |
| 11:06 |
Hijiri |
do they have mod security at least |
| 11:06 |
CWz |
i feel sorry for them if they have an outdated worldedit_gui mod installed |
| 11:06 |
red-002 |
naw only mt-game |
| 11:06 |
red-002 |
well maybe paid servers do |
| 11:06 |
red-002 |
not going to waste my money to check |
| 11:06 |
shivajiva |
the package allows for 5 servers I think, I have no idea how it loads up but she has 3 running I think |
| 11:07 |
shivajiva |
she's not technical hence mthosting |
| 11:07 |
red-002 |
it's disabled |
| 11:07 |
Hijiri |
what is |
| 11:08 |
red-002 |
<Hijiri> do they have mod security at least |
| 11:08 |
shivajiva |
oh my |
| 11:09 |
shivajiva |
I'll expect the worst then |
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| 11:09 |
tenplus1 |
hi Krock |
| 11:09 |
Krock |
hi tenplus1 |
| 11:09 |
shivajiva |
hi Krock o/ |
| 11:10 |
Krock |
hi shivajiva |
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| 11:10 |
tenplus1 |
pfft, failed checks and doesnt say why: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5762 |
| 11:10 |
Krock |
hi Jordach |
| 11:10 |
tenplus1 |
hi Jordach |
| 11:10 |
CWz |
server with dumb name |
| 11:11 |
shivajiva |
cornernote came for a chat btw if you didn't read the logs |
| 11:11 |
red-002 |
https://travis-ci.org/minetest/minetest/jobs/232065051 |
| 11:11 |
Krock |
tenplus1, https://travis-ci.org/minetest/minetest/jobs/232051354#L4069 |
| 11:11 |
CWz |
one of the server places you inside land |
| 11:11 |
red-002 |
I have a feeling I should just rewrite your patch |
| 11:12 |
Krock |
the constructor misses a boolean argument |
| 11:12 |
tenplus1 |
would prolly be easier |
| 11:14 |
cx384 |
What happened to the Jungle server? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=13125&view=unread#p269532 |
| 11:15 |
Krock |
lol is Gundul even using Minetest to host the server? |
| 11:15 |
Krock |
hacked MT clients can't change files on a server |
| 11:15 |
red-002 |
oh great smartgit just broke |
| 11:16 |
shivajiva |
looks like a bit of lua was executed with security off maybe |
| 11:16 |
red-002 |
fun |
| 11:17 |
red-002 |
"now class here we have an example of why mod security isn't the worst change to minetest since sliced bread" |
| 11:18 |
Krock |
since when do we have sliced bread in Minetest? |
| 11:19 |
red-002 |
I bet it's in home decor |
| 11:19 |
* tenplus1 |
has french toast in xanadu :D |
| 11:19 |
Zeno` |
it's not |
| 11:19 |
Zeno` |
toast is though |
| 11:19 |
VanessaE |
doesn't that count as sliced bread? :)_ |
| 11:19 |
CWz |
what about Pretzels |
| 11:19 |
VanessaE |
CWz: no pretzels, but there is beer :) |
| 11:20 |
Zeno` |
yeah, pretzels would be great as a necklace |
| 11:20 |
CWz |
Good morning mate! |
| 11:21 |
tenplus1 |
hi zeno |
| 11:21 |
Zeno` |
hi all |
| 11:23 |
CWz |
deezl is still AMI |
| 11:25 |
Zeno` |
AMI? |
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| 11:41 |
tenplus1 |
hi DS-minetest |
| 11:41 |
DS-minetest |
hi tenplus1 :) |
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| 12:08 |
tenplus1 |
hi WhoAreYou |
| 12:08 |
WhoAreYou |
Hello 10+1. :) |
| 12:10 |
Fixer |
ＣＹＢＥＲＮＩＣＫＮＡï¼ï¼¥ï¼³ |
| 12:11 |
shivajiva |
Hi WAY :) |
| 12:12 |
WhoAreYou |
Hello shivajiva. :) |
| 12:13 |
WhoAreYou |
Looks like there was a nasty attack on servers 3 days ago. I need to find VE to change some of my passwords on her servers. |
| 12:15 |
CWz |
how many server effected? |
| 12:15 |
VanessaE |
WhoAreYou: just sign on and change your password in the ESC menu |
| 12:17 |
WhoAreYou |
The problem is... I wasn't on them for such a long time, so i forgot all of them. So, i need some temporary ones. |
| 12:17 |
WhoAreYou |
:) |
| 12:17 |
Shara |
Hello all :) |
| 12:18 |
tenplus1 |
hi Shara |
| 12:22 |
CWz |
WhoAreYou, want me to reset your passwords? |
| 12:22 |
WhoAreYou |
CWz, on VE's servers? Sure. |
| 12:27 |
tenplus1 |
crap, pull failed again... am sure I inserver bool everywhere it needed to be *sigh* https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5762 |
| 12:30 |
* red-002 |
is working on this now |
| 12:31 |
tenplus1 |
thanks red... am still wondering where I messed up tho :PP |
| 12:33 |
red-002 |
you forgot a ; |
| 12:33 |
tenplus1 |
crap... |
| 12:33 |
red-002 |
in l_env.cpp |
| 12:33 |
tenplus1 |
line 841 |
| 12:38 |
red-002 |
anyway I fixed up all the other issues with your PR basicly rewriting it |
| 12:39 |
red-002 |
lol apprently I'm using an unoffical client and I should use the one from minetest.org |
| 12:39 |
tenplus1 |
kewl, cant wait to see |
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| 12:39 |
red-002 |
can we ban OC from the server list? |
| 12:39 |
red-002 |
if he wants to be minetest he better also host that |
| 12:40 |
CWz |
that may be a bit much |
| 12:40 |
red-002 |
server: minetesthosting.com 30640 |
| 12:40 |
red-002 |
not at all |
| 12:40 |
red-002 |
if he and his supporters want to block offical clients their servers should be blocked |
| 12:41 |
CWz |
war of the forks |
| 12:41 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 12:41 |
CWz |
wait how is he able to test if we are using a minebest or a minetest |
| 12:41 |
red-002 |
if his servers don't allow people to connect then they shouldn't be on the server lsit |
| 12:42 |
red-002 |
someone should see if this also happens with OC's servers |
| 12:43 |
Zeno` |
The obvious way would be to send a custom packet requesting the server version and if there is no response then don't allow the connection |
| 12:43 |
Zeno` |
I dunno if that's what's happening though |
| 12:43 |
Zeno` |
s/server/client |
| 12:43 |
red-002 |
client tells the server it's version |
| 12:44 |
Zeno` |
strict checking? |
| 12:44 |
red-002 |
I assume it checks the version string |
| 12:44 |
red-002 |
or many it's an old version and doesn't allow new clients |
| 12:45 |
red-002 |
in any case this shouldn't be allowed |
| 12:45 |
Zeno` |
check with celeron55 |
| 12:45 |
red-002 |
if he wants to do this he is welcome to host his own serverlist |
| 12:46 |
celeron55 |
what |
| 12:46 |
tenplus1 |
hi celeron55 |
| 12:46 |
celeron55 |
there are servers on the server list that don't allow minetest clients? |
| 12:46 |
red-002 |
yes |
| 12:46 |
celeron55 |
list them |
| 12:47 |
red-002 |
the only one I know is server: minetesthosting.com 30640 |
| 12:47 |
Shara |
I had problems connecting to a minetesthosting server in the past as well. |
| 12:48 |
red-002 |
http://imgur.com/X5L89Of |
| 12:48 |
celeron55 |
holy shit |
| 12:48 |
Fixer |
lol |
| 12:49 |
red-002 |
I don't personaly think this should be in anyway tolerated |
| 12:49 |
celeron55 |
sfan5: we need to moderate the server list |
| 12:49 |
sfan5 |
nice |
| 12:50 |
red-002 |
these sorts of servers should be removed and oldcoder should be warned to not encorage this |
| 12:50 |
davisonio |
agreed there needs to be some changes to the server list |
| 12:50 |
sfan5 |
shadowninja has thankfully removed banning from the masteserver code |
| 12:50 |
celeron55 |
the master server needs blacklist functionality |
| 12:50 |
Krock |
we are a free and open (source) project. censoring is not a good idea |
| 12:50 |
sfan5 |
since "it should be done with iptables" |
| 12:50 |
celeron55 |
lol |
| 12:50 |
sfan5 |
aka "i use one machine to host a single page" |
| 12:50 |
davisonio |
censoring is sometimes good for a good reason |
| 12:51 |
red-002 |
^ |
| 12:51 |
celeron55 |
Krock: there are rules and common sense that need to be followed |
| 12:51 |
red-002 |
I agree these people are basicly begging to be censored |
| 12:52 |
red-002 |
also it could be useful if someone finds a security exploit in the client |
| 12:52 |
Shara |
It's a server list on minetest.net. For servers that can be connected to using the client from minetest.net |
| 12:52 |
celeron55 |
sfan5: just hardcode it or anything, there's no way this can be allowed to fly |
| 12:52 |
red-002 |
^ |
| 12:52 |
Shara |
It's nto really censoring in my opinion. It's making sure the list is used for purpose |
| 12:52 |
red-002 |
the question is do we also block oldcoders servers |
| 12:53 |
red-002 |
someone should check if they also do this |
| 12:53 |
sfan5 |
ayy drama will the result of that |
| 12:53 |
Shara |
Huge huge drama |
| 12:53 |
Fixer |
Shara: update your worldedit NOW |
| 12:53 |
sfan5 |
not like that's anything new |
| 12:53 |
Shara |
Fixer: Done on RC, DL and all TPS servers |
| 12:53 |
Shara |
But thank you :) |
| 12:54 |
Fixer |
Shara: critical vulnerability in worledit_gui |
| 12:54 |
* red-002 |
doesn't feel like editing his hosts file |
| 12:54 |
Shara |
I know |
| 12:54 |
Shara |
RC got hit by it on May 11th already |
| 12:54 |
Fixer |
Shara: when? i changed my pass 10 min ago |
| 12:54 |
Fixer |
ok |
| 12:54 |
Shara |
Yesterday |
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| 12:55 |
red-002 |
hi rubenwardy |
| 12:55 |
red-002 |
you might want to read the logs |
| 12:55 |
rubenwardy |
just read them |
| 12:55 |
rubenwardy |
holy guacamole |
| 12:55 |
tenplus1 |
is this the worldedit_gui thing ?? or something else ? |
| 12:56 |
sfan5 |
yeah worldedit_gui thing |
| 12:56 |
tenplus1 |
gotcha, thankfully I dont use that *phew* |
| 12:56 |
rubenwardy |
might be worth making a forum post |
| 12:56 |
rubenwardy |
like, it's already being exploited |
| 12:57 |
rubenwardy |
also recommend that production servers use mod security |
| 12:58 |
rubenwardy |
why is lua execution even in WorldEdit? |
| 12:58 |
red-002 |
who knows |
| 12:58 |
rubenwardy |
for a lambda function, it would make sense. But not full unsandboxed lua |
| 12:59 |
CWz |
can that bug can be considered as arbitrary code execution |
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| 12:59 |
rubenwardy |
CWz, yes |
| 12:59 |
Shara |
It only seems to be a single person exploiting it so far, from what I found out |
| 12:59 |
rubenwardy |
if mod security is disabled, then they can run arbitary terminal commands from the user running Minetest |
| 13:00 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: and read auth.txt |
| 13:00 |
Fixer |
which is worse |
| 13:00 |
rubenwardy |
well, all the passwords are SRP'd at least |
| 13:00 |
rubenwardy |
which is better than hashing |
| 13:01 |
CWz |
even get sudo if the os has a vulnerability. |
| 13:02 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, privilege escalation |
| 13:02 |
rubenwardy |
Dirty COW |
| 13:04 |
CWz |
is mod security on by default at least |
| 13:04 |
rubenwardy |
no |
| 13:04 |
rubenwardy |
because it broke mods |
| 13:04 |
sfan5 |
celeron55: which ones do i ban |
| 13:05 |
celeron55 |
i think it would be a pretty good idea to shutdown and disable the vulnerable servers |
| 13:05 |
rubenwardy |
agreed |
| 13:05 |
celeron55 |
even if they have a restart script, just setting bind_address = foo will make a server fail to start |
| 13:06 |
celeron55 |
way less harmless than getting actually attacked |
| 13:07 |
celeron55 |
sfan5: i guess it's minetesthosting.com:30640 for now |
| 13:08 |
davisonio |
set the bind address = update_your_worldedit_gui_mod otherwise they might just change it back and not know what the problem was |
| 13:08 |
celeron55 |
davisonio: good idea |
| 13:08 |
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| 13:09 |
sfan5 |
done |
| 13:10 |
sfan5 |
(ping me if it isn't gone in 6 minutes) |
| 13:10 |
CWz |
what's wrong with minetesthosting.com:30640? |
| 13:10 |
celeron55 |
well, try it |
| 13:10 |
celeron55 |
you'll see |
| 13:12 |
Krock |
lol |
| 13:12 |
Krock |
apparently it's really an unofficial one |
| 13:12 |
CWz |
minetest.org? that not official |
| 13:12 |
Krock |
no, I'm using an unofficial one. This .org is scam anyways |
| 13:13 |
CWz |
isn't minetest.org belongs to coldoder |
| 13:13 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
| 13:13 |
CWz |
*Oldcoder |
| 13:13 |
Krock |
*doesn't belong |
| 13:13 |
rubenwardy |
really should have been bought instead of .net :( |
| 13:14 |
Krock |
.net is nice goo |
| 13:14 |
Krock |
*too |
| 13:14 |
davisonio |
who runs the .com? |
| 13:14 |
red-002 |
someone |
| 13:14 |
Fixer |
minetest.io /takes out portable vinyl player |
| 13:15 |
Krock |
good question. old fan/air conditionner site |
| 13:15 |
red-002 |
mine.test |
| 13:15 |
Fixer |
minetest is so clusterfuck |
| 13:15 |
CWz |
so does that mean they are in cahoots with him |
| 13:15 |
rubenwardy |
minete.st |
| 13:15 |
Fixer |
minetest.net .org .com .tk holy fuck |
| 13:15 |
davisonio |
minete.st |
| 13:15 |
red-002 |
yeah |
| 13:15 |
Krock |
davisonio, you got ninja'd :P |
| 13:15 |
celeron55 |
.com has been around longer than .org i think, and i still don't know who runs it |
| 13:15 |
davisonio |
haha I did! |
| 13:15 |
davisonio |
we should contact them, it's totally outdated |
| 13:15 |
celeron55 |
good luck with that, lol |
| 13:15 |
red-002 |
should have seen what happened when he said he will take over the project on his irc server |
| 13:16 |
rubenwardy |
anyone fancy making a command to change bind_address setting? |
| 13:16 |
rubenwardy |
and shutdown |
| 13:16 |
CWz |
wait how do i even open tbz file |
| 13:16 |
CWz |
nvm |
| 13:16 |
red-002 |
rubenwardy, working on it |
| 13:16 |
red-002 |
adding it to csm |
| 13:17 |
rubenwardy |
I say we run that on every server affected, then post a news post on the forum |
| 13:17 |
rubenwardy |
this is serious |
| 13:17 |
celeron55 |
csm - the official minetest blackhat + whitehack tool... |
| 13:17 |
red-002 |
lol |
| 13:17 |
celeron55 |
whitehat* |
| 13:17 |
celeron55 |
whitehack 8D |
| 13:17 |
red-002 |
greenish hat |
| 13:17 |
CWz |
what does that do? |
| 13:17 |
red-002 |
what does what do? |
| 13:18 |
tenplus1 |
? |
| 13:18 |
* CWz |
heard an echo |
| 13:20 |
red-002 |
alright now local formpspec input is sent to the server |
| 13:20 |
red-002 |
now i only need to understand worldedit |
| 13:21 |
davisonio |
tracking down the owner of minetest.com lol |
| 13:21 |
benrob0329 |
What? Worldedit had an exploit? |
| 13:21 |
CWz |
we still talking about the worldedit bug right. not something new. |
| 13:21 |
tenplus1 |
worldedit_gui has exploit |
| 13:22 |
tenplus1 |
*had, it's fixed now |
| 13:22 |
benrob0329 |
Good |
| 13:22 |
benrob0329 |
I though you couldn't actually read passwords from auth.txt? |
| 13:22 |
Krock |
you can read the encrypted ones |
| 13:23 |
Krock |
or hashed, whatever |
| 13:23 |
tenplus1 |
any way of moving auth.txt info into the new player settings |
| 13:23 |
CWz |
gonna try loging into that server with the minetest.org client |
| 13:23 |
benrob0329 |
right, can you unhash them? |
| 13:23 |
benrob0329 |
It doesn't seem like that'd be easy |
| 13:24 |
red-002 |
alright almost done |
| 13:24 |
CWz |
even the minetest.org client cannot connect to that server, so it's possibly just a typo on the server owner part |
| 13:24 |
Krock |
benrob0329, well, using bruteforce maybe |
| 13:25 |
rubenwardy |
benrob0329, ^ or a rainbow table |
| 13:25 |
Krock |
red-002, that was quit! |
| 13:25 |
rubenwardy |
but it's SRP, so not sure |
| 13:25 |
benrob0329 |
Krock: yes, but that's a different problem |
| 13:26 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: what is a rainbow table? |
| 13:26 |
CWz |
http://www.kedeleducation.co.uk/user/products/large/Multi-coloured-ext-end-picnic-table-PICENDWH001.jpg |
| 13:26 |
rubenwardy |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_table |
| 13:27 |
CWz |
Oh |
| 13:27 |
tenplus1 |
ooh, that looks promising |
| 13:28 |
Krock |
ddg'd "brute force" https://www.gamersnet.nl/reviews/brute_force/scrshot4.jpg |
| 13:29 |
CWz |
i bet that hacker who's using that bug is wearing a monocle, has cat on his lap which he strokes, while twirling his moustache |
| 13:29 |
davisonio |
ok found out who runs minetest.com - seems like they haven't been active since 2012 |
| 13:29 |
red-002 |
it worked!!!! |
| 13:30 |
red-002 |
krock do you want to write the exploit code? |
| 13:30 |
CWz |
huh |
| 13:30 |
red-002 |
I'm not sure what the best way to disable the servers would be |
| 13:32 |
red-002 |
I'm kinda surprised by how simple that was |
| 13:32 |
red-002 |
just a single line of c++ code |
| 13:32 |
tenplus1 |
??? |
| 13:32 |
red-002 |
and some code ported from worldedit |
| 13:32 |
* CWz |
confused |
| 13:32 |
rubenwardy |
davisonio: who? |
| 13:33 |
Krock |
red-002, in Lua? |
| 13:33 |
red-002 |
yes |
| 13:33 |
red-002 |
I abused csm formspecs so you even the the full worldedit formspec |
| 13:34 |
Krock |
okay, on the way |
| 13:36 |
CWz |
i wonder how many server are effected probably not was much as we think |
| 13:40 |
davisonio |
rubenwardy: just emailed them and PMed them https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1515 - they actually went on IRC in 2014 looking to sell it - also run two other sandbox game sites |
| 13:41 |
rubenwardy |
how much were they looking for? |
| 13:42 |
red-002 |
looks good |
| 13:42 |
red-002 |
let me try it on a local server |
| 13:43 |
* red-002 |
forgot about /msg |
| 13:43 |
davisonio |
rubenwardy: didn't say http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2014-02-21#i_3593117 |
| 13:44 |
grey-001 |
oh copy and paste is broken in mt again |
| 13:45 |
CWz |
grey-001, i don't remember it ever working |
| 13:45 |
grey-001 |
it works sometimes |
| 13:45 |
grey-001 |
I can copy from minetest to minetest |
| 13:47 |
Fixer |
.com is no longer on the first page |
| 13:47 |
davisonio |
yeah it's nowhere to be seen now |
| 13:49 |
grey-001 |
we should inform minetesthosting about the sanctions taken agaist a paid server they are hosting |
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| 14:06 |
tenplus1 |
o.O adblock blocks on average 48 different things per youtube video now... damn!! |
| 14:07 |
Shara |
nerzhul or Krock (or any other dev): could you let me know if I do need to change anything else for https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5758 please? |
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| 14:09 |
tenplus1 |
hi NathanS21 |
| 14:10 |
NathanS21 |
hi tenplus1 |
| 14:10 |
NathanS21 |
just recorded a mod review of farming_redo |
| 14:10 |
Krock |
looks good Shara. |
| 14:10 |
NathanS21 |
I hadn't realized all the new features you've added. |
| 14:10 |
tenplus1 |
ooh sweet :D |
| 14:10 |
Shara |
Would just really like to try and get it in before release if possible |
| 14:18 |
rubenwardy |
grey-001, progress? |
| 14:25 |
grey-001 |
Shara, is your server patched? |
| 14:25 |
Shara |
Yes |
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| 14:25 |
grey-001 |
oh good |
| 14:25 |
Krock |
hi rubenwardy |
| 14:25 |
grey-001 |
wb rubenwardy |
| 14:25 |
rubenwardy |
yo |
| 14:25 |
Shara |
RC and DL were patched yesterday as soon as this came up |
| 14:26 |
Shara |
TPS servers were all patched last night |
| 14:34 |
Shara |
Okay, can someone share the list of servers to be disabled please? |
| 14:34 |
Shara |
I'm being told mine is on the list (which of mine even?) |
| 14:34 |
tenplus1 |
disabled why ? |
| 14:34 |
Shara |
I don't actually know. |
| 14:35 |
Shara |
I assume something to do with those who have not updated WE |
| 14:35 |
Shara |
But I did that yesterday, right after you linked me to it |
| 14:35 |
tenplus1 |
NathanS21: did you use bonemeal mod with farming redo ? api detects crops and saplings |
| 14:35 |
Shara |
So if I find my servers missing from the public list or anything else, I will actually be quite annoyed. |
| 14:35 |
NathanS21 |
no tenplus1 I didn't, just the farming_redo mod |
| 14:35 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 14:36 |
NathanS21 |
Shara, the only talk I'd ever heard about removing servers was those that aren't actually public, IE ones that require you to create an account elsewhere to get whitelisted on the server. |
| 14:36 |
NathanS21 |
but I don't even know how that would be accomplished. |
| 14:36 |
Shara |
All my servers, apart from the one that doesn't announce anyway, are public |
| 14:38 |
rubenwardy |
!title https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/12c49e1d18b1d97a2378851b03a7599e |
| 14:38 |
ShadowBot |
rubenwardy: Draft forum announcement · GitHub |
| 14:39 |
Fixer |
Shara: you don't need it since you are updated, here is the list https://pastebin.com/raw/4NXGQ4Ej |
| 14:39 |
Shara |
Fixer: grey-001 PMed me to say I am on the list |
| 14:39 |
Shara |
And yes, I am |
| 14:39 |
Shara |
Both my servers |
| 14:40 |
Shara |
What is this based on? |
| 14:40 |
grey-001 |
whatever you have the mod or not |
| 14:40 |
Shara |
I'm to be disabled because I happen to have WE? |
| 14:40 |
grey-001 |
no |
| 14:40 |
rubenwardy |
celeron55 ^ |
| 14:40 |
Shara |
Then why am I on this list? |
| 14:41 |
tenplus1 |
so long as you updated to the new worldedit_gui it should be fine... no need to worry |
| 14:41 |
CWz |
wouldn't that list make a hakor's job easior |
| 14:41 |
Fixer |
Shara: thats list of server with worldedit_gui |
| 14:42 |
Shara |
grey-001: has just informed me this is a list of servers he will attempt the exploit on |
| 14:42 |
Shara |
I am noting here this is WITHOUT my permission |
| 14:42 |
grey-001 |
this was discussed in the channel earlier |
| 14:42 |
Fixer |
Shara: this is intended |
| 14:42 |
Fixer |
Shara: he needs to extra check if it is fixed for sure |
| 14:42 |
Shara |
Sorry, but not acceptable. |
| 14:43 |
Shara |
You ask me before trying such things on my server] |
| 14:43 |
Shara |
I am right here, so it's not that difficult. |
| 14:43 |
rubenwardy |
well, just like to say this doesn't have official endorsement |
| 14:43 |
Shara |
And I have told you I have updated the mod |
| 14:43 |
grey-001 |
.Krock |
| 14:43 |
Shara |
So I want Red Cat and Dark Lands removed from this list right away |
| 14:44 |
Krock |
TRIGGERED |
| 14:44 |
Zeno` |
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 14:44 |
Zeno` |
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 14:44 |
Zeno` |
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 14:44 |
Zeno` |
00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000088888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 |
| 14:44 |
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Zeno` was kicked by rubenwardy: Zeno` |
| 14:44 |
Krock |
bai. |
| 14:44 |
CWz |
fell asleep on his keyboard again |
| 14:44 |
Shara |
heh |
| 14:44 |
Fixer |
lol |
| 14:44 |
Krock |
indeed |
| 14:44 |
grey-001 |
so are we going to leave vurnable servers up? |
| 14:44 |
Shara |
grey-001: You will remove MY servers |
| 14:45 |
Fixer |
grey-001: shara fixed her servers |
| 14:45 |
Shara |
I have given you confirmation right here that the mod is updated |
| 14:45 |
grey-001 |
all right all right |
| 14:45 |
Shara |
I'm not actually sure how you expect this to help anyway |
| 14:45 |
Shara |
The attacker has already done the rounds. |
| 14:45 |
celeron55 |
rubenwardy: looks factually correct to me, i think it can be posted |
| 14:46 |
grey-001 |
so just let them be? |
| 14:46 |
Shara |
The list also misses servers that I know are effected |
| 14:46 |
NathanS21 |
Even if a server is removed from the list the hacker can still connect via the IP, so assuming they have connected to the server before, it will be in their favorites list |
| 14:46 |
Shara |
I'm still trying to reach the admins on them. |
| 14:47 |
* NathanS21 |
doesn't understand how this really accomplishes anything. |
| 14:47 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: i think you are missing the steps, what admins should check and do |
| 14:47 |
CWz |
LazyJ is not around right now |
| 14:47 |
Shara |
LazyJ is aware though |
| 14:47 |
celeron55 |
if someone shuts down vulnerable servers without the server owner's permission, they are doing it on their own decision and own risk |
| 14:47 |
rubenwardy |
exactly |
| 14:48 |
celeron55 |
i'd imagine someone might do it to their favourite server or something, but you take the backlash your self if the server op is mad |
| 14:48 |
celeron55 |
yourself* |
| 14:48 |
Shara |
Communicating this to people as quickly as possible is the best approach |
| 14:49 |
Shara |
Making lists that don't have the facts right certainly won't help |
| 14:49 |
Krock |
oops. |
| 14:50 |
grey-001 |
Shara, afaik it was only a list of servers that could be vurnable |
| 14:50 |
Shara |
Doesn't matter. |
| 14:50 |
Shara |
You do not attempt exploits against my server without specifically asking me first |
| 14:50 |
Shara |
If you do, in my opinion you are another attacker to be treated exactly like the one currently doing the rounds. |
| 14:50 |
grey-001 |
Krock, you should try and contact the server owners first |
| 14:51 |
Shara |
Offer to test for people who want confirmation the update has worked - that's good to do |
| 14:51 |
Shara |
But don't just go ahead |
| 14:51 |
Krock |
there are not many servers left, thus I think I'll stop at this point |
| 14:51 |
grey-001 |
alright your choice |
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| 14:52 |
Krock |
used code for injection: https://pastebin.com/TMNyiUp9 |
| 14:52 |
celeron55 |
Shara: i don't think that's fair; the exploit can be easily tested without any kind of damage |
| 14:52 |
davisonio |
you've got to remember people might be using corner note's version which does not have the lua execution |
| 14:52 |
rubywarden |
!title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17601&p=269578#p269578 |
| 14:52 |
ShadowBot |
rubywarden: Serious vulnerabilty in WorldEdit: Server ops need to update - Minetest Forums |
| 14:52 |
* grey-001 |
just wrote the code to allow writing the exploit |
| 14:52 |
Shara |
celeron55: I'm sorry, but I don't like people doing such things without my agreement. |
| 14:52 |
rubenwardy |
celeron55, please may you move to news? |
| 14:52 |
Fixer |
Shara: that was planned before you joined |
| 14:52 |
rubenwardy |
or where ever is more appropriate |
| 14:52 |
grey-001 |
s/exploit/pen test? |
| 14:53 |
Shara |
Fixer: Doesn't look like it was planned, unless I missed something |
| 14:53 |
Fixer |
Shara: it was |
| 14:53 |
grey-001 |
Krock, that code is pretty useless for anyone without the c++ diff |
| 14:53 |
grey-001 |
celeron55> i think it would be a pretty good idea to shutdown and disable the vulnerable servers |
| 14:54 |
Fixer |
Shara: to shutdown affected servers via exploit and add "update worldedit" into it |
| 14:54 |
Krock |
grey-001, no it isn't. they may open the same prompt using the inventory button |
| 14:54 |
grey-001 |
oh good point |
| 14:54 |
Shara |
Fixer: That doesn't say 'with permission' |
| 14:54 |
Fixer |
Shara: yes |
| 14:54 |
Shara |
If you are managing to communicate with the server owner to get permission, the test is pointless since they can just update |
| 14:55 |
Krock |
better to shut down the server and leave a message IMO |
| 14:55 |
Krock |
in order to prevent further damage |
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| 14:55 |
grey-001 |
some servers got baddly greifed from what I hear |
| 14:55 |
celeron55 |
rubenwardy: moved to new |
| 14:55 |
celeron55 |
+s |
| 14:56 |
Shara |
Krock: if someone is truely absent, maybe, but I don't like finding my servers on the list when I'm here |
| 14:56 |
rubenwardy |
celeron55, thanks |
| 14:56 |
Fixer |
Shara: this list was compiled before you joined |
| 14:56 |
Shara |
Fixer: I've been in the channel all day |
| 14:56 |
Fixer |
Shara: 2hr30min ago or so |
| 14:57 |
Shara |
I was here. |
| 14:57 |
Krock |
there's currently no way to see if a server is attackable over the server list, thus it's only possible to filter out those with worldedit_gui enabled |
| 14:57 |
Krock |
thus, there may be servers on it that are already safe |
| 14:57 |
Shara |
There weren't many on the list that I was shown |
| 14:58 |
Shara |
and it had at least four I am quite sure are up to date |
| 14:58 |
Krock |
about 30 |
| 14:58 |
Shara |
and misses a few that I know are not |
| 14:59 |
rubenwardy |
celeron55: Krock and I don't have developer labels on the forum, btw |
| 15:00 |
Krock |
there seems to be a version where WE reports a successful execution but doesn't seem to do anything |
| 15:01 |
Krock |
well, the color on the forums isn't too important for me :) |
| 15:02 |
celeron55 |
rubenwardy: ok, fixed |
| 15:03 |
rubenwardy |
Krock: I actually run a custom CSS on Minetest, to make the tags not green |
| 15:03 |
CWz |
I change Krocks username to Pink then |
| 15:03 |
Krock |
CWz, thanks a lot. |
| 15:03 |
Krock |
</sarcasm> |
| 15:04 |
rubenwardy |
celeron55, thank |
| 15:04 |
CWz |
i don't think he owns that hosting service |
| 15:08 |
Calinou |
hi |
| 15:09 |
Calinou |
just bought Dirt Rally :p |
| 15:09 |
Calinou |
25.7 GB to download |
| 15:09 |
tenplus1 |
any good ? |
| 15:09 |
Calinou |
the download just started :P |
| 15:09 |
tenplus1 |
ehehehe |
| 15:09 |
tenplus1 |
steam ? |
| 15:09 |
Calinou |
need to see if I can use an USB extender with my gamepad |
| 15:09 |
rubenwardy |
anyone have any experience in auditing a server to check if it's been compromised? |
| 15:09 |
Calinou |
since Bluetooth is not working yet |
| 15:09 |
Calinou |
yes, on Steam |
| 15:09 |
rubenwardy |
for https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17601&p=269578#p269578 |
| 15:09 |
Calinou |
it has native Linux support, no WINE needed |
| 15:09 |
rubenwardy |
if so, post there |
| 15:09 |
Calinou |
Project CARS said they're porting to Linux but it's still not released, by the looks of it, and WINE didn't work for me |
| 15:09 |
tenplus1 |
I ran playonlinux and setup wine 2.7 to install "Alice: madness returns"... amazing! |
| 15:10 |
tenplus1 |
playonlinux gives you the option of wine 2.01 up to dev 2.7... many tweaks to get thigns working |
| 15:11 |
Calinou |
btw Manjaro landed a big update, I have 364 pending updates all of a sudden |
| 15:11 |
tenplus1 |
ooh |
| 15:11 |
VanessaE |
CWz: have you already patched the servers you run on my box? |
| 15:11 |
Calinou |
https://manjaro.org/2017/05/12/stable-update-2017-05-12-kernels-kde-kde-apps-gnome-browsers/ |
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| 15:12 |
tenplus1 |
wb Zeno` |
| 15:12 |
Zeno` |
what's this talk about disabling servers? |
| 15:13 |
Zeno` |
thanks tenplus1 |
| 15:14 |
Zeno` |
whoever is suggesting disabling servers based on something celeron55 may or may not have said is out of line I think |
| 15:14 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, it's definitely illegal |
| 15:17 |
VanessaE |
there, I think everything running on daconcepts.com has either had the offending disabled, or it's been patched. I hope. |
| 15:17 |
VanessaE |
(either way, the patched version has been pushed to my server's mod archive for those who pull from it) |
| 15:21 |
Fixer |
Calinou: and what is manjaro? arch smth? |
| 15:21 |
Krock |
Fixer, as always, the only best Linux :P |
| 15:23 |
Zeno` |
It's wrong. And I would be surprised if celeron55 agrees with it |
| 15:23 |
Zeno` |
and, yes, I am not using [off] |
| 15:24 |
red-005 |
be surprised http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-hub/2017-05-14#i_4921126 |
| 15:24 |
Zeno` |
I think he may have been misunderstood |
| 15:24 |
Zeno` |
(I hope) |
| 15:25 |
red-005 |
that doesn't really seem like a misunderstanding |
| 15:25 |
rubenwardy |
It's the sort of thing that sounds on the surface to be a good idea, but is actually rude and illegal |
| 15:26 |
Shara |
Who gives support does not change whether it is legal either way. |
| 15:26 |
Shara |
I stand by absolutely everything I said earlier on the topic. |
| 15:26 |
Shara |
Planning to do things like this should not happen in this channel. |
| 15:26 |
red-005 |
yeah giving people the means to do that wasn't a great idea on my part |
| 15:27 |
Shara |
Because if it's left to go ahead, it makes it seem like it's with the agreement of the team and the channel ops |
| 15:27 |
Zeno` |
well, as a dev I do NOT agree with it |
| 15:29 |
Zeno` |
and celeron55 should clarify his position on what was suggested |
| 15:30 |
celeron55 |
wait what |
| 15:30 |
celeron55 |
just use /lastlog celeron55 |
| 15:30 |
red-005 |
celeron55, krock went ahead with disabling the servers |
| 15:31 |
Fixer |
there is no suggestion from celeron55 to do it illegally or in other disruptive way :trollface: |
| 15:31 |
celeron55 |
that's something he did then |
| 15:31 |
red-005 |
I would like to make it clear in case it wasn't that I only wrote a small part of the code that allowed this |
| 15:38 |
tenplus1 |
who invited Australia tot he Eurovision ? |
| 15:38 |
tenplus1 |
*to the |
| 15:38 |
tenplus1 |
http://lolsnaps.com/funny/190401/invite-australia-to-eurovision-and-it-all-goes-down-from-the |
| 15:38 |
Zeno` |
the Commonwealth :) |
| 15:38 |
Zeno` |
so :P~~~~~~~~~ |
| 15:38 |
Zeno` |
we are European! |
| 15:39 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 15:39 |
Zeno` |
God Save the Queen! |
| 15:39 |
tenplus1 |
*shudder* |
| 15:39 |
Fixer |
zeno confirmed |
| 15:45 |
Zeno` |
tenplus1, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A22oy8dFjqc |
| 15:45 |
Zeno` |
see? |
| 15:45 |
Zeno` |
all good |
| 15:47 |
Shara |
Anyway... |
| 15:47 |
Shara |
Krock: you said the PR looks good, any chance of approving it then? |
| 15:48 |
Krock |
Shara, grabbing patch and testing now |
| 15:48 |
Shara |
Thank you |
| 15:48 |
Krock |
np. thanks for reminding. totally forgot about this |
| 15:48 |
Shara |
:) |
| 15:48 |
* Shara |
pokes Zeno` too |
| 15:48 |
Zeno` |
me? |
| 15:49 |
Zeno` |
I can't remember how to compile |
| 15:49 |
Shara |
>.> |
| 15:49 |
Shara |
Also Tiny Creative just confirmed they updated WE |
| 15:49 |
VanessaE |
my bullshit detector just broke :P |
| 15:49 |
Shara |
That's one of the ones I've been chasing |
| 15:49 |
Zeno` |
lol VE |
| 15:50 |
Krock |
by BS detector keeps returning 10.0 for some reason |
| 15:50 |
VanessaE |
all five of mine, plus trepca and mtz have had worldedit_gui removed entirely |
| 15:50 |
Zeno` |
not mtz! |
| 15:50 |
VanessaE |
I don't know the status of CWz's server instances |
| 15:50 |
Zeno` |
wait. What's mtz? |
| 15:50 |
VanessaE |
very funny :P |
| 15:51 |
Zeno` |
I think I have a house there |
| 15:51 |
Zeno` |
maybe 8 |
| 15:51 |
VanessaE |
ginger's server instances are all down for some reason (she maintains them poorly) but if and when they come back up, they'll be safe also |
| 15:52 |
Zeno` |
I hope my collection of 2000000000000000 cobble are safe |
| 15:52 |
red-005 |
lol |
| 15:52 |
VanessaE |
should be :P |
| 15:52 |
Krock |
xD |
| 15:52 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: nobody cares about your cobble, unless it is compressed (tm) cobble (r) |
| 15:52 |
red-005 |
thats atleast 30517578125 stacks |
| 15:53 |
red-005 |
if the stacks are the max size supported by the engine |
| 15:53 |
tenplus1 |
coffee time :D |
| 15:53 |
Krock |
isn't stack max 65535? -> 30518043794 stacks |
| 15:54 |
red-005 |
off by one error? |
| 15:54 |
Zeno` |
I have a useless piece of trivia |
| 15:55 |
Fixer |
compressed blocks are usefuk |
| 15:55 |
Fixer |
l |
| 15:55 |
Krock |
red-005, in this case it's a handful of chest stacks you'd need for this cobble |
| 15:55 |
Fixer |
i have 2 _chests_ of dirt on hometown |
| 15:55 |
Zeno` |
Krock was the 2nd person I banned from MTZ because I thought he was a hacker |
| 15:55 |
Zeno` |
LOL |
| 15:55 |
Krock |
Zeno`, did I get banned from there? *tries to remember* |
| 15:55 |
Zeno` |
then I realised who he was and unbanned him but he never returned |
| 15:55 |
Zeno` |
yeah you did :P |
| 15:55 |
Krock |
lol |
| 15:56 |
Krock |
haven't been on playing on MT servers for a while, sadly |
| 15:56 |
Zeno` |
it's quite funny in hindsight |
| 15:56 |
Zeno` |
Krock, you got angry because you joining was announced on inchra |
| 15:57 |
Krock |
yeah, and my ingame messages triggered the IRC client :3 |
| 15:57 |
Zeno` |
so I was like "must be a hacker!" |
| 15:57 |
Zeno` |
LOL |
| 15:58 |
Fixer |
lol |
| 15:58 |
Krock |
seems legit |
| 15:58 |
Zeno` |
yup |
| 15:58 |
Zeno` |
:D |
| 15:59 |
Krock |
Shara, found one little thing https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5758/files#r116384245 |
| 16:00 |
Krock |
otherwise +1 |
| 16:00 |
Krock |
works as expected |
| 16:00 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 16:01 |
Shara |
I had actually thought it was halo, since for some reason my clients always seem to get stuck on that |
| 16:01 |
Shara |
the default that is |
| 16:01 |
Shara |
but hmm |
| 16:03 |
Krock |
oh nvm |
| 16:03 |
Krock |
testing with HEAD |
| 16:03 |
Zeno` |
it doesn't matter all that much because it's set by default settings |
| 16:04 |
Zeno` |
so if a person make a mistake with .conf, *shrug* |
| 16:04 |
Zeno` |
but I do agree |
| 16:04 |
Shara |
the else condition for NONE should never be hit unless you select it |
| 16:04 |
Shara |
but I don't mind changing if you want it changed |
| 16:04 |
Krock |
any rubbish input results in a wrecked halo version |
| 16:04 |
Zeno` |
Shara, the issue is if someone uses "blah" |
| 16:05 |
Krock |
but I'd like having having it default to box: # node_highlighting = box |
| 16:05 |
Krock |
from minetest.conf.example, and the default settings |
| 16:05 |
Shara |
Krock: wrecked halo? If you mean what I think, I was able to produce that but only when messing about with earlier versions. Values liek BLAH on here gave me NONE when testing |
| 16:06 |
tenplus1 |
when that one gets in I'm gonna disable box/halo completely and use crosshairs :D |
| 16:06 |
Krock |
because right now, without the patch it looks quite strange |
| 16:06 |
Zeno` |
as a fallback then perhaps box is better |
| 16:06 |
Zeno` |
When I reviewed yesterday I didn't think of that and for that I apologise |
| 16:06 |
Shara |
so just flip order of checks so the else is the box? |
| 16:06 |
Zeno` |
yep |
| 16:07 |
Krock |
http://i.imgur.com/MssEFRu.png |
| 16:07 |
Zeno` |
} else if (mode_setting == "none") { |
| 16:07 |
Zeno` |
+m_mode = HIGHLIGHT_NONE; else { |
| 16:07 |
Shara |
Yea, I had that on earlier versions of the code when I was playing around, but I couldn't duplicate it with the current code |
| 16:08 |
Zeno` |
when that is done I +1 also |
| 16:08 |
Shara |
okay, will a bit later then |
| 16:09 |
Shara |
Thank you both |
| 16:12 |
Zeno` |
interesting |
| 16:13 |
Zeno` |
just reading the code that shouldn't happen but I'll check more fully tomorrow |
| 16:15 |
red-005 |
his manifesto |
| 16:16 |
red-005 |
http://archive.is/qRdl5 |
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| 16:17 |
tenplus1 |
wb DS-minetest |
| 16:17 |
red-005 |
what do you mean? |
| 16:17 |
red-005 |
shivajiva, ? |
| 16:17 |
DS-minetest |
thanks, tenplus1 :) |
| 16:18 |
red-005 |
I have a copy of the pdf |
| 16:18 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 16:19 |
shivajiva |
afk |
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| 16:21 |
tenplus1 |
hi kaeza |
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| 16:27 |
octacian |
OldCoder's stuff again? |
| 16:28 |
Krock |
offtopic repost: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6afs4z/on_todays_new_york_times_crossword/ |
| 16:30 |
kaeza |
greetings, tenplus1 |
| 16:32 |
Krock |
just 390 MiB here |
| 16:32 |
Krock |
oops |
| 16:33 |
red-005 |
it costs a bit |
| 16:33 |
red-005 |
I suppose thats why |
| 16:33 |
red-005 |
one way to put it |
| 16:33 |
red-005 |
we are still not registered with freenode |
| 16:34 |
VanessaE |
why not? |
| 16:34 |
Shara |
Because freendoe suck at answering emails. |
| 16:34 |
red-005 |
oh |
| 16:34 |
Zeno` |
Fixer, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDEh2VjhUzo |
| 16:34 |
VanessaE |
can't it be done through #freenode admins? |
| 16:34 |
* Zeno` |
dances |
| 16:34 |
Shara |
Don't know. celeron55 was the one trying, not me. |
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| 16:37 |
Krock |
hello Raven262 |
| 16:37 |
Zeno` |
I want voice! |
| 16:37 |
Raven262 |
Hello Krock |
| 16:37 |
davisonio |
welcome Raven |
| 16:37 |
Zeno` |
oh wait...nvm |
| 16:37 |
Raven262 |
Thx davisonio |
| 16:37 |
Krock |
Zeno`, you've already got enough voice!! |
| 16:37 |
Zeno` |
yeah I forgot |
| 16:38 |
Krock |
but you could de-voice yourself and request it to satisfy your request |
| 16:38 |
Zeno` |
need +o to do -v |
| 16:38 |
Krock |
moment. devoicing isn't possible here |
| 16:38 |
Krock |
yes, +o required |
| 16:39 |
Raven262 |
Damn, he did a bad thing. |
| 16:39 |
davisonio |
yes, kill it with fire |
| 16:39 |
Raven262 |
Indeed. |
| 16:40 |
davisonio |
^ |
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| 16:45 |
Krock |
Zeno`, Access violation. Address: 0x41E1D7A0B80A2BAE Stack backtrace: char *getTopic(int) |
| 16:45 |
Zeno` |
Krock, Guru Meditation |
| 16:46 |
Zeno` |
maybe someone will get the reference lol |
| 16:46 |
Fixer |
i get |
| 16:46 |
tenplus1 |
http://www.bullzip.com/products/gum/guru-meditation-commodore-amiga.gif |
| 16:46 |
Shara |
same |
| 16:46 |
Krock |
sorry, didn't get it :( |
| 16:47 |
Fixer |
have not used amiga though, was playing on za |
| 16:47 |
Zeno` |
Krock sucks |
| 16:47 |
Fixer |
on zx* |
| 16:47 |
Krock |
:^( |
| 16:47 |
Fixer |
Krockwork Orange |
| 16:47 |
Zeno` |
HL2 orange pack |
| 16:48 |
Zeno` |
I'm still waiting for HL episode 3 |
| 16:48 |
Fixer |
I want to believe |
| 16:48 |
Raven262 |
Hl3 would be good enough. |
| 16:48 |
Raven262 |
:D |
| 16:48 |
Raven262 |
No need for the third episode |
| 16:48 |
Fixer |
Minetest will have mobs before HL3 release |
| 16:49 |
Raven262 |
A full game would be nice also. |
| 16:49 |
tenplus1 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5762 hrm |
| 16:50 |
Zeno` |
I just want duke nukem forever! |
| 16:50 |
Zeno` |
err wait. Nevermind |
| 16:50 |
Raven262 |
I just want another doom game! |
| 16:50 |
Raven262 |
Wait |
| 16:50 |
Raven262 |
there is one already |
| 16:50 |
Zeno` |
lol |
| 16:50 |
Raven262 |
*Two |
| 16:51 |
octacian |
What's HL3? |
| 16:51 |
Raven262 |
Well, we better not tell you. |
| 16:51 |
octacian |
..why not? :P |
| 16:51 |
Fixer |
octacian: you was born after it anyway |
| 16:51 |
shivajiva |
HalfLife |
| 16:51 |
Zeno` |
HL3 is like duke nukem but different |
| 16:51 |
octacian |
Fixer: lol, OK :rotfl: |
| 16:52 |
Fixer |
HL released in 1999, HL2 in 2004 iirc, some episodes later, still waiting for HL3 (played all of them) |
| 16:52 |
Raven262 |
Seriously, episode 2 was like made to be unfinished. |
| 16:52 |
octacian |
huh, I see. |
| 16:52 |
Fixer |
i still have pirated disc with HL |
| 16:52 |
Raven262 |
The story ends at the exact moment when it gets the best. |
| 16:53 |
Raven262 |
They did it on purpose. |
| 16:53 |
Fixer |
disc contains HL/CS/Opera/BlueShift |
| 16:53 |
Zeno` |
I somehow ended up with CS for free |
| 16:54 |
Fixer |
disc also features some ads on cover, AMD K7 Duron 600Mhz |
| 16:54 |
Zeno` |
it just appeared on my steam one day |
| 16:54 |
Fixer |
google when that was released |
| 16:54 |
Fixer |
around year 2000 |
| 16:54 |
Zeno` |
err not that I admit to using Windows |
| 16:54 |
Zeno` |
*ahem* |
| 16:55 |
Fixer |
that disc is like 17 years old, still works, game still runs on Windows 7 |
| 16:55 |
Raven262 |
Windows eh? xD |
| 16:55 |
Raven262 |
Well, i play games from '95 still |
| 16:55 |
Fixer |
unlimited dialup ad |
| 16:55 |
Fixer |
price: half of your wage |
| 16:55 |
Fixer |
._. |
| 16:55 |
Zeno` |
Twinsen games are good as well (and still work) |
| 16:55 |
Zeno` |
(again, not admitting to using Windows) |
| 16:56 |
Fixer |
Civilisation still works iirc |
| 16:56 |
Raven262 |
Doom engine games are awesome. |
| 16:56 |
Fixer |
i have it |
| 16:57 |
Zeno` |
I recently played Return to Zork (and didn't use Windows!) |
| 16:57 |
Fixer |
Cyrix M2 300Mhz... interesting |
| 16:57 |
Zeno` |
Raven262, the source code for them is awesome |
| 16:57 |
Zeno` |
Raven262, so... elegant |
| 16:58 |
Raven262 |
Did you see Doom3's source? |
| 16:58 |
Zeno` |
yup |
| 16:58 |
Raven262 |
They say it has good coed, bad gameplay. |
| 16:58 |
Raven262 |
*code |
| 16:58 |
Raven262 |
But |
| 16:58 |
Raven262 |
Well, i like playing it too. |
| 16:59 |
Zeno` |
the code is awesome. But I liked playing the game as well (apart from the darkness) |
| 16:59 |
Raven262 |
The engine was made to be dark. |
| 17:00 |
Zeno` |
gotta love that they released the code |
| 17:00 |
Fixer |
it is amusing to see CD+R is quite good as storage, i distrust flash drives for backups, can die any moment |
| 17:00 |
Zeno` |
that's seriously cool |
| 17:00 |
Fixer |
very hard to find proper DVR+R these days |
| 17:00 |
Fixer |
for archival |
| 17:01 |
Zeno` |
I'mo not against companies making money. That they released the code after the game was basically dead is pretty darn nice |
| 17:01 |
Zeno` |
id did it with all their games AFIAK |
| 17:01 |
Raven262 |
Yes. |
| 17:02 |
Raven262 |
But did the companies working for id do it? |
| 17:02 |
Fixer |
4 fps on gdb mt right now |
| 17:03 |
Fixer |
Zeno`: yeah, and some companies even release assets for free |
| 17:03 |
Fixer |
like red alert |
| 17:03 |
Fixer |
C&C |
| 17:03 |
Raven262 |
Too bad they didn't release tib wars assets :P |
| 17:03 |
Raven262 |
I think. |
| 17:03 |
Fixer |
not open source, but much better, openra hosts those files in their repo iirc, so you download it and ready to play |
| 17:04 |
Fixer |
they do |
| 17:04 |
Fixer |
what a sec |
| 17:04 |
Fixer |
wait* |
| 17:04 |
Fixer |
" EA has made sequel Tiberian Sun available as a 100%-free download." |
| 17:04 |
Zeno` |
I can't recall or find where I read it but I remember from about 1997 Carmack giving away his sports cars as well |
| 17:05 |
Zeno` |
(i.e. ferraris and lamborginis) |
| 17:05 |
Zeno` |
to deathmatch players IIRC |
| 17:05 |
Raven262 |
Ik that tib sun is free |
| 17:05 |
tenplus1 |
updated: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5762 |
| 17:06 |
Fixer |
Raven262: assets also free ;) |
| 17:06 |
Fixer |
not open source, but free |
| 17:06 |
Raven262 |
Yep |
| 17:06 |
Fixer |
entire game for download, I even have it archived somewhere |
| 17:06 |
Raven262 |
But well third tib wars was the best, best graphics. |
| 17:06 |
Raven262 |
I mean, i never really liked tib sun. |
| 17:07 |
Fixer |
red alert was massive hit |
| 17:07 |
Fixer |
even my friend played it |
| 17:07 |
Raven262 |
I have one friend who is, to say, a hardcore fan of all of the cnc games. |
| 17:08 |
Raven262 |
He played them all, finished them all on highest difficulty and he does it again from time to time. |
| 17:08 |
Raven262 |
I don't know how he does it, but he does. |
| 17:11 |
Fixer |
fancy lighting! https://i.imgur.com/62k6wOM.png |
| 17:12 |
Raven262 |
:o |
| 17:12 |
tenplus1 |
nice |
| 17:14 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/KbKo7Zm.jpg my base at night, not finished |
| 17:15 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/ZhXAM7W.png |
| 17:15 |
Raven262 |
one of my houses: http://i.imgur.com/jW2rKXP.png |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
Zeno`, Raven262: RBDOOM-3-BFG has r_forceAmbient to make the whole game brighter |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
(does not change hardware gamma, so it plays well with open source drivers and multi-monitor setups) |
| 17:16 |
Raven262 |
But who said i didn't like it dark? xD |
| 17:16 |
Calinou |
also, I wish id had released the game data for free too (possibly even public domain under eg. CC0), and made it legal to redistribute as-is (so no "downloaders" are required) |
| 17:17 |
Calinou |
they're not selling thousands of copies a day of old games anymore |
| 17:17 |
Calinou |
if only copyright lasted shorter… |
| 17:17 |
Raven262 |
I wish they did that with doom2 and heretic and hexen. |
| 17:17 |
Calinou |
fun fact: Doom and Doom 2 were open sourced (in full) in 1999 |
| 17:17 |
Calinou |
Heretic/Hexen in… 2008 |
| 17:17 |
Calinou |
the FSF held a campaign on their site back then, even |
| 17:18 |
Raven262 |
I still play hexen, right now :P |
| 17:18 |
Calinou |
also, GZDoom is GPLv3 since last month (3.0.0) |
| 17:18 |
Calinou |
so go grab it :D |
| 17:18 |
Calinou |
the era of crippled GPL ports is over |
| 17:18 |
Calinou |
(surprisingly, it's GPLv3 and not GPLv2) |
| 17:18 |
Raven262 |
The graphics in hexen and heretic are of an awesome quality, actually. |
| 17:19 |
Raven262 |
They would make such a nice minetest texture pack... |
| 17:24 |
VanessaE |
just use HDX :) |
| 17:25 |
Raven262 |
Yeah, your texture pack is nice, but without antialising it gets... idk how to describe it xD |
| 17:25 |
* Raven262 |
is away |
| 17:25 |
Krock |
crispy, strange, chunky |
| 17:26 |
Krock |
choose the best fitting word |
| 17:26 |
Calinou |
enable mipmaps, always |
| 17:26 |
Calinou |
even for 16× packs |
| 17:26 |
Calinou |
Minecraft does that by default now |
| 17:27 |
Calinou |
it's weird that Minecraft waited until 2014 or so to have these in the default game |
| 17:27 |
Calinou |
mipmaps have been a thing since GLQuake in 1997 |
| 17:27 |
Calinou |
apparently, they were 2hip4mipmaps |
| 17:32 |
CWz |
anything happened while i was gone? |
| 17:36 |
tenplus1 |
wb CWz... not been in channel much, but I fixed https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5762 |
| 17:48 |
* benrob0329 |
pops in |
| 17:49 |
tenplus1 |
hi benrob |
| 17:49 |
benrob0329 |
Hi tenplus1 |
| 17:50 |
benrob0329 |
I think I'm almost ready to start making videos again |
| 17:51 |
benrob0329 |
Gotta get an automounting daemon running (probably udevil) |
| 17:51 |
tenplus1 |
automounting ? |
| 17:51 |
benrob0329 |
And copy all my files off the house nas |
| 17:51 |
tenplus1 |
for what ? |
| 17:51 |
tenplus1 |
oh |
| 17:51 |
benrob0329 |
Usb sricks |
| 17:51 |
benrob0329 |
*sticks |
| 17:51 |
benrob0329 |
The nas part can be mounted manually |
| 17:52 |
benrob0329 |
I should also probably convert my fstab to UUIDs |
| 17:58 |
Thomas-S |
Could any of the minetest-mods admins / moreores owners please consider merging https://github.com/minetest-mods/moreores/pull/18 ? Thanks in advance! |
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Fixer |
Raven262: nice build |
| 18:07 |
Fixer |
was away |
| 18:07 |
tenplus1 |
wb fixer |
| 18:07 |
Fixer |
Calinou: I use mipmaps only with AF |
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| 18:08 |
tenplus1 |
hi sfan |
| 18:08 |
Fixer |
Calinou: also, in Minecraft Modded on popular big modpacks I have problems with VRAM, disabling mipmaps reduces memory usage to <1GB levels |
| 18:08 |
benrob0329 |
Wb Fixer, Thomas-S, celeron55_, and sfan5 |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
mipmaps should not be a VRAM issue |
| 18:08 |
Fixer |
Calinou: with mipmaps it can be like 5 fps, without - 90 fps |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
anisotropic usage will make VRAM usage go way up though |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
mipmaps require 33% more VRAM |
| 18:08 |
Fixer |
Calinou: yes |
| 18:09 |
Fixer |
Calinou: without mipmaps vram usage in modded mc was around 700-800mb |
| 18:09 |
Fixer |
and I have 1gb vram |
| 18:09 |
benrob0329 |
Simple answer: Plat MineTEST modded :P |
| 18:09 |
Fixer |
MC modded is insanely heavy on memory |
| 18:09 |
tenplus1 |
sounds like mipmaps affect speeds far too much |
| 18:09 |
Calinou |
8 GB of VRAM here :p |
| 18:10 |
Fixer |
if modpack for 1.10.2 expect 2-4GB easily, more like 4GB |
| 18:10 |
Fixer |
Calinou: fancy |
| 18:10 |
Fixer |
and minetest uses like 200mb of vram :trollface: |
| 18:10 |
benrob0329 |
Calinou: 1060? |
| 18:10 |
Fixer |
more or less like vanilla MC |
| 18:10 |
Fixer |
vanilla MC seems much faster in game though |
| 18:10 |
Fixer |
also |
| 18:10 |
Fixer |
MC Windows 10 is insanely fast on big vranges it seems |
| 18:10 |
Fixer |
like vrange 500 |
| 18:11 |
benrob0329 |
Vrange? |
| 18:11 |
Fixer |
they use chunks |
| 18:11 |
Fixer |
chunk = 16 nodes |
| 18:11 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: 1080 :) |
| 18:11 |
Calinou |
(not Ti, but still) |
| 18:11 |
tenplus1 |
would it speed things up if after a certain range it doesnt draw textures on nodes but instead just displays a base colour ? |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
this is my PC, https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/dgxfd6 |
| 18:12 |
benrob0329 |
980ti here :-) |
| 18:12 |
Fixer |
tenplus1: I've posted a video somewhere with insane range in MC, and playable fps |
| 18:12 |
tenplus1 |
nice spec cal |
| 18:13 |
Fixer |
vrange 1024 on MC w10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGAQnT4ZmGA |
| 18:14 |
benrob0329 |
It says something about MT when I generally keep vrange at 100 whilst recording |
| 18:14 |
benrob0329 |
Just to keep fps at 60 |
| 18:14 |
Krock |
Fixer, and 1080p... whoa |
| 18:14 |
tenplus1 |
wow, how can vrange go so high and still display smooth ? |
| 18:14 |
Krock |
using badass hardware, yes |
| 18:14 |
benrob0329 |
Good shaders |
| 18:14 |
Fixer |
no idea |
| 18:15 |
benrob0329 |
Shaders != fancy looking |
| 18:15 |
Fixer |
his hardware was on par with calinous i think |
| 18:15 |
Fixer |
probably sli |
| 18:15 |
Fixer |
still |
| 18:15 |
tenplus1 |
no way I'd get that with my nvidia Ion v.2 |
| 18:15 |
Fixer |
achieve this in MT... you will have 1 fps |
| 18:15 |
benrob0329 |
Shaders == gpu programming |
| 18:15 |
Krock |
didn't know that MC has its clouds so deep |
| 18:17 |
Calinou |
there is a GTX 1080 for sale in France today, €474 |
| 18:17 |
benrob0329 |
1st problem with mt + high view range |
| 18:17 |
Calinou |
I bought mine €700 one year ago… :P |
| 18:17 |
benrob0329 |
It doesn't load all visible chunks |
| 18:17 |
Calinou |
this is the most I've ever spent on a GPU |
| 18:17 |
Calinou |
and also on a PC |
| 18:17 |
benrob0329 |
Which means it looks ugly if you don't run around loading the map in for a bit |
| 18:19 |
benrob0329 |
which means that even if I crank up my view range, its useless since the map wont load |
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* Raven262 |
is back |
| 18:20 |
tenplus1 |
wb |
| 18:20 |
Raven262 |
thx |
| 18:21 |
tenplus1 |
mc in it's own way can load map data a lot faster so for drop maps it's good... I kinda wish that mt would improve for that sorta thing as well :) |
| 18:22 |
Raven262 |
I there was only greater viewing range in minetest without rendering lag... |
| 18:22 |
Raven262 |
And faster chunk loading speed |
| 18:22 |
tenplus1 |
:) |
| 18:23 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: you can increase map load range |
| 18:23 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: in settings, but not if you are on server |
| 18:23 |
Raven262 |
I'm wondering is there a way to load only the nodes that are visible to the client, rather than loading the whole block? |
| 18:24 |
Fixer |
occlusion culling currently works on per 16x16x16 basis |
| 18:26 |
benrob0329 |
(Kek) https://youtu.be/2A7vAbq_uIY |
| 18:31 |
Krock |
topkek |
| 18:31 |
benrob0329 |
Kek = kek/0 |
| 18:35 |
red-005 |
can the logger to set to ignore all lines with kek? |
| 18:36 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 18:37 |
Fixer |
time to work on fireplace |
| 18:37 |
Fixer |
found a proper place for it |
| 18:37 |
Fixer |
stone or red brick |
| 18:39 |
Fixer |
hmhmmhmh |
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| 18:39 |
tenplus1 |
hi Megaf |
| 18:41 |
Megaf |
greetings |
| 18:41 |
* Megaf |
looks around |
| 18:42 |
CWz |
i wonder megaf knows about worldedit gui |
| 18:42 |
red-005 |
it's pretty hard not to know at this stage |
| 18:42 |
Fixer |
jumping place for 2 node deep water pull(poll)(whatever): https://i.imgur.com/ywvRfaA.png |
| 18:42 |
Megaf |
I didnt use it too much, usually just go straight to commands |
| 18:42 |
Fixer |
extreme living |
| 18:43 |
Megaf |
Fixer: water pool |
| 18:43 |
Fixer |
water pool |
| 18:43 |
Megaf |
I meaing |
| 18:43 |
Megaf |
mean |
| 18:43 |
red-005 |
I mean a good few servers got hacked |
| 18:43 |
Fixer |
right |
| 18:43 |
Megaf |
swimming pool |
| 18:43 |
Raven262 |
Well, that is one way to kill yourself :P |
| 18:43 |
Megaf |
red-005: MT servers hacked? |
| 18:43 |
red-005 |
yes |
| 18:43 |
Megaf |
what OS are they running? |
| 18:43 |
Krock |
with the fog it looks amazing |
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| 18:43 |
red-005 |
remoute code execution in worldedit_gui |
| 18:43 |
red-005 |
remoute* |
| 18:44 |
Megaf |
oh |
| 18:44 |
VanessaE |
Megaf: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17601 |
| 18:44 |
Fixer |
Raven262: it does look funny, 2x higher than the damn house |
| 18:44 |
Raven262 |
xD |
| 18:45 |
Sokomine |
red-005: hacked? |
| 18:45 |
Megaf |
even if user doesnt have interact priv? |
| 18:45 |
Sokomine |
oh |
| 18:46 |
VanessaE |
correct. |
| 18:46 |
red-005 |
Sokomine, someone got filesystem access on one server |
| 18:46 |
red-005 |
thats why we need mod security |
| 18:47 |
Megaf |
well, worldedit gui is disabled on my server |
| 18:47 |
tenplus1 |
silly question but WHY does worldedit have a //lua command at all ? |
| 18:47 |
Megaf |
because I knew it was not safe |
| 18:47 |
red-005 |
seems that all the did was wipe the logs but idk |
| 18:47 |
VanessaE |
on mine, mod security is enabled, so the worst they were able to do is change the server's name and description in the master list, and fuck around with giving/taking privs (mine included). |
| 18:47 |
Megaf |
since, ever |
| 18:47 |
red-005 |
wait you knew about the exploit?? |
| 18:47 |
Sokomine |
red-005: urgs :-(( that's bad |
| 18:47 |
Fixer |
nah |
| 18:47 |
Megaf |
nope, just had a feeling it was not a good idea enabling it |
| 18:48 |
Megaf |
never had it, |
| 18:48 |
Sokomine |
red-005: how about mod security? didn't that jump in? |
| 18:48 |
red-005 |
Sokomine, can't stop mods from doing dumb things like running lua code supplied by the client |
| 18:49 |
red-005 |
it stopped the attack from escaping the minetest sandbox |
| 18:49 |
Sokomine |
at least that's something |
| 18:49 |
Megaf |
thats why you run minetest server in sandbox |
| 18:49 |
* Megaf |
does |
| 18:49 |
Fixer |
red-005: he means that worldedit GUI button with access to it was triggering him |
| 18:50 |
red-005 |
I don't think there are many servers that are exploitable left online so thats good |
| 18:50 |
Sokomine |
i still think that mod security is too restrictive in parts as it doesn't allow me to offer a way to load schematics from other mods and worlds. but in general it's a very good idea... |
| 18:52 |
tenplus1 |
most mods use dofiles |
| 18:52 |
Megaf |
we should have a way of ouditing our server |
| 18:52 |
Megaf |
servers |
| 18:52 |
* CWz |
summons his huge hippo boom gun |
| 18:54 |
red-005 |
CWz, what sort of hat do they wear? |
| 18:58 |
tenplus1 |
no mod running on a playable server on the public list should allow commands/mods that can affect or rewrite game files in other mods |
| 19:01 |
CWz |
dis topic will last for dayz |
| 19:02 |
VanessaE |
better this topic than a certain aging programmer with delusions of grandeur. :P |
| 19:02 |
tenplus1 |
*hides* |
| 19:02 |
* VanessaE |
pulls tenplus1 back out of hiding |
| 19:02 |
tenplus1 |
o.O |
| 19:02 |
Raven262 |
Lets just call him "The programmer". |
| 19:03 |
Raven262 |
Sounds evil enough. |
| 19:03 |
tenplus1 |
sounds like he's in The Matrix |
| 19:03 |
Raven262 |
Yep |
| 19:03 |
Raven262 |
The bad guy |
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| 19:08 |
Megaf |
You stil talking about the "The Programmer" ? |
| 19:09 |
Megaf |
Common, grow up and leave that in the past |
| 19:09 |
Megaf |
go and do something useful, like patching your world edit gui |
| 19:09 |
Megaf |
;) |
| 19:09 |
Raven262 |
lol |
| 19:09 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 19:12 |
* Megaf |
has important stuff to do, |
| 19:12 |
Megaf |
better open youtube to kill some time |
| 19:12 |
* tenplus1 |
has important snacks to nom |
| 19:12 |
Raven262 |
damn thats some important stuff. |
| 19:13 |
tenplus1 |
:P it's either that or worry about the pull I added... |
| 19:15 |
tenplus1 |
and I dont know C++ very well :P |
| 19:15 |
Raven262 |
I have to work on those tool textures for lott, and i'm getting out of ideas right now :P |
| 19:16 |
tenplus1 |
how many tools you added already ? |
| 19:16 |
Raven262 |
well, 4 sets |
| 19:16 |
Raven262 |
each has 9 tools |
| 19:16 |
Raven262 |
i didn't add them yet |
| 19:16 |
tenplus1 |
ouch... |
| 19:16 |
tenplus1 |
that's a lot of textures dude... |
| 19:16 |
Raven262 |
wanna see my progress? |
| 19:16 |
tenplus1 |
might just need to resort to changing colours next :)) and yeah, lemmie see :p |
| 19:17 |
Raven262 |
http://imgur.com/3jDnllj |
| 19:17 |
Raven262 |
stone + galvorn |
| 19:17 |
Raven262 |
http://imgur.com/yFS7wic |
| 19:17 |
Raven262 |
gold + silver |
| 19:17 |
tenplus1 |
nice |
| 19:18 |
tenplus1 |
lott game is pretty indepth :D |
| 19:18 |
Raven262 |
:D |
| 19:18 |
Raven262 |
I'm the official texturer, since few weeks ago xD |
| 19:18 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 19:18 |
Raven262 |
And i have started working on the textures right away |
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tenplus1 |
hi Da |
| 19:19 |
tenplus1 |
hi Darcidride |
| 19:26 |
Fixer |
what do you think? https://i.imgur.com/Ca96o9z.png |
| 19:26 |
Raven262 |
nice |
| 19:27 |
tenplus1 |
+1 |
| 19:27 |
Darcidride |
Hi tenplus1 & everybody |
| 19:27 |
Darcidride |
Fixer, nice |
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Raven262 |
http://i.imgur.com/LQvGS9z.png |
| 19:28 |
tenplus1 |
wb rubenwardy |
| 19:28 |
tenplus1 |
:P |
| 19:28 |
rubenwardy |
yo |
| 19:29 |
rubenwardy |
oh, new person |
| 19:29 |
rubenwardy |
hi Raven262 |
| 19:29 |
Raven262 |
Hello rubenwardy |
| 19:30 |
Raven262 |
Your minetest modding book helped me a lot in modding, thanks rubenwardy. |
| 19:30 |
rubenwardy |
you're very welcome :D |
| 19:31 |
Raven262 |
The thing is that i didn't visit it once, or twice, but i have such a bad memory that every time i would want to write a mod i would have to check stuff out in the book xD |
| 19:33 |
tenplus1 |
what performance hit would m_gamedef->ndef()->get(n) have in code ??? |
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| 19:36 |
red-005 |
can't you access ndef some other way? |
| 19:36 |
red-005 |
I though enviroment had direct access to it |
| 19:36 |
tenplus1 |
dunno how... like I said I'm not good with c++ :) this was a fix that stopped Travis failing change |
| 19:38 |
tenplus1 |
if the ray-cast pull does a similar thing then I can just close my pull altogether |
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| 19:42 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: do you make youtube videos? |
| 19:43 |
benrob0329 |
I noticed an MTer did something on FG, and am now.curious |
| 19:43 |
Megaf |
i dont |
| 19:43 |
Megaf |
i make mt servers |
| 19:43 |
benrob0329 |
Heh, fair enough |
| 19:45 |
Shara |
Hi Dargod, hi stormchaser3000 :) |
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| 19:45 |
tenplus1 |
wb Shara |
| 19:46 |
Shara |
Dargod is admin on a pretty busy server (Tiny Creative) so I invited him earlier :) |
| 19:46 |
Dargod |
Hi Shara :) |
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tenplus1 |
wb Fixer and kaeza |
| 19:56 |
Fixer |
ty, shitty isp |
| 19:57 |
kaeza |
^ same :/ |
| 19:58 |
Fixer |
https://i.imgur.com/4x3UwrF.png |
| 19:58 |
Fixer |
kokokoombo |
| 19:59 |
tenplus1 |
lol |
| 20:00 |
Raven262 |
How do they have coloured nicks? |
| 20:00 |
Fixer |
CSM chat6 |
| 20:00 |
Raven262 |
ah |
| 20:02 |
benrob0329 |
Hi stormchaser3000, Dargod |
| 20:06 |
Hijiri |
I said earlier that outdated versions of WE GUI are safe from the exploit, that's not strictly true |
| 20:06 |
Hijiri |
don't know if I should say any specifics though since most servers probably have an outdated version |
| 20:06 |
Hijiri |
(by outdated I mean more outdated than the recent fixes, like January outdated?) |
| 20:07 |
red-005 |
? |
| 20:08 |
Hijiri |
I said in chat before, before the exploit was fixed, that if WE-GUI was outdated enough there is a bug that prevents submitting lua code at all |
| 20:08 |
Raven262 |
Why did i get muted? |
| 20:08 |
Raven262 |
And how? |
| 20:09 |
Hijiri |
I didn't see the mute |
| 20:09 |
Shara |
Because I updated the access list |
| 20:09 |
Raven262 |
Ah |
| 20:09 |
rubenwardy |
you need to register and login |
| 20:09 |
Shara |
Trying to add some of the new people. You don't seem to have registered your name though |
| 20:09 |
Raven262 |
ah yes |
| 20:10 |
Shara |
There, done with updates for now |
| 20:10 |
kaeza |
kek |
| 20:10 |
Shara |
Raven262: let me know if you do register it and so on, and will add you |
| 20:11 |
Fixer |
Hijiri: vulnerab since 2013... |
| 20:11 |
Fixer |
it seems |
| 20:11 |
Fixer |
you should update, end of story |
| 20:13 |
red-005 |
so how many servers got attacked? |
| 20:14 |
Raven262 |
There, registered and stuff. |
| 20:32 |
Jordach |
what WE exploit |
| 20:33 |
rubenwardy |
Jordach, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17601 |
| 20:35 |
Jordach |
nice meme |
| 20:35 |
Jordach |
who'd of thought that adding a unsandboxed Lua scripting engine ingame was a good idea |
| 20:36 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, security should have been less of an after though |
| 20:36 |
tenplus1 |
nite all |
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| 21:01 |
Fixer |
4 days of gdb-afking - no luck, time to actual play on gdb versino :S |
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Sokomine |
Fixer: it's a conspiracy. debug builds tend to crash less often :-) |
| 21:51 |
red-005 |
^ |
| 22:16 |
Fixer |
YEEEEEEEEEEEEES |
| 22:16 |
Fixer |
ORGASMIC |
| 22:16 |
Fixer |
YEEEEEEEEEEEEES |
| 22:16 |
Fixer |
YEEEEEEEEEEEEES |
| 22:16 |
Fixer |
YEEEEEEEEEEEEES |
| 22:16 |
Fixer |
segmentation fault |
| 22:19 |
Fixer |
BACKTRACE |
| 22:21 |
red-005 |
neat |
| 22:21 |
Fixer |
red-005: possibly csm chat related btw |
| 22:21 |
Fixer |
or just chat |
| 22:25 |
red-005 |
post it |
| 22:25 |
Fixer |
red-005: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5661 |
| 22:26 |
Fixer |
I'm so fucking happy |
| 22:26 |
red-005 |
so what triggers this? |
| 22:26 |
red-005 |
typing or incoming chat? |
| 22:27 |
Fixer |
red-005: i was connected to server, exploring, then rested in my boat to walk away from PC, notice fan speed up, CRASH ^_______^ |
| 22:28 |
Fixer |
red-005: i suspect incoming chat |
| 22:28 |
Fixer |
red-005: i had few crashes when I opened the chat or when chat was updated |
| 22:28 |
Fixer |
red-005: and if you look the backtrace, it has chat mentioned |
| 22:28 |
Fixer |
Thread 1 (Thread 476.0x15d0): |
| 22:28 |
red-005 |
yeah looking at it now |
| 22:29 |
red-005 |
the text looks strange it's not asci? |
| 22:29 |
Fixer |
red-005: some people talk in other languages, including cyrillics/japan etc |
| 22:29 |
Fixer |
red-005: some char causes crash? |
| 22:30 |
Fixer |
red-005: i'm also using CSM-chat6 mod |
| 22:30 |
red-005 |
just wondering if that might be the cause |
| 22:30 |
red-005 |
hard to say |
| 22:31 |
Fixer |
ooops, exposed my password >_> |
| 22:31 |
red-005 |
lol |
| 22:31 |
red-005 |
nice password |
| 22:32 |
* red-005 |
approves of good passwords |
| 22:32 |
red-005 |
funny thing if you didn't mention that I wouldn't have noticed |
| 22:32 |
Fixer |
changed it |
| 22:33 |
Fixer |
red-005: i've noticed my nickname %) |
| 22:34 |
red-005 |
trying to output that string in an online c++ compiler caused it to crash |
| 22:34 |
red-005 |
intersting |
| 22:36 |
red-005 |
or not?? |
| 22:36 |
Fixer |
it is |
| 22:37 |
Fixer |
devs will need to figure this out ._. |
| 22:37 |
red-005 |
what happens if you say: 12330 |
| 22:37 |
red-005 |
N? |
| 22:37 |
red-005 |
huh |
| 22:37 |
red-005 |
a new line?? |
| 22:38 |
red-005 |
this is some werid input |
| 22:38 |
red-005 |
why is the chatmessage not in the debug.txt log? |
| 22:39 |
Fixer |
red-005: it is not saved in verbose log for some reason, also, that was other person talking |
| 22:40 |
Fixer |
red-005: also, at the moment of crash, that faulty message is not shown in chat either from what I've seen |
| 22:40 |
red-005 |
it would be useful to see if lua being bad at unicode or is this an issues with the chat backend |
| 22:40 |
red-005 |
if it is lua* |
| 22:41 |
Fixer |
smth wrong with this, right? [01:15:55] <\033(c@#CC0000)Laramee908\033(c@#ffffff)> 1233\002\060\015\116\363\140 |
| 22:41 |
red-005 |
???? |
| 22:41 |
red-005 |
nothing is making sense |
| 22:42 |
red-005 |
that \033 should be 0x1b or 27 |
| 22:44 |
Fixer |
red-005: using this csm mod: https://github.com/cheapie/chat6 |
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| 22:46 |
red-005 |
wtf copy and paste |
| 22:49 |
red-005 |
Fixer, you missed the chance to make your password hunter2 |
| 22:49 |
Fixer |
red-005: to troll few guys? nah |
| 22:50 |
Fixer |
red-005: i wonder what that message saying |
| 22:50 |
Fixer |
this is unicode? |
| 22:50 |
red-005 |
pretty sure the encoding got fu**e* up |
| 22:51 |
* red-005 |
goes off to try and calculate all the ways to censor that |
| 22:53 |
Fixer |
< Laramee908> 12330 |
| 22:53 |
Fixer |
Nó` |
| 22:53 |
Fixer |
kek |
| 22:53 |
Fixer |
keeek |
| 22:55 |
Fixer |
<Laramee908> 12330 |
| 22:55 |
Fixer |
Nó` |
| 22:55 |
Fixer |
hmmm |
| 22:56 |
Fixer |
yeah, some client with this unicode nonsence that crashes minetest :/ |
| 22:57 |
Fixer |
i'm trying to past this into chat, but it does accept this fancy stuff |
| 22:57 |
Fixer |
hmmm |
| 22:57 |
Fixer |
i wonder if can do that via lua :D |
| 22:59 |
garywhite |
Has anyone heard of an exploited bug in the WE mod recently? |
| 23:02 |
Fixer |
garywhite: was exploited in lots of place |
| 23:02 |
Fixer |
s |
| 23:03 |
Fixer |
red-005: trying to say it via lua mod with minetest.chat_send_all(L"[01:15:55] <\033(c@#CC0000)Laramee908\033(c@#ffffff)> 1233\002\060\015\116\363\140"), does not let me: https://i.imgur.com/T53DFiu.png |
| 23:03 |
garywhite |
Well, apparently someone found an exploit & hacked a bunch of servers |
| 23:03 |
Fixer |
garywhite: that was discussed today a lot, read irc |
| 23:04 |
Fixer |
garywhite: fix available |
| 23:09 |
garywhite |
It happened 3 days ago? |
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| 23:10 |
garywhite |
how out of the loop am I? |
| 23:10 |
Fixer |
nearly, yes |
| 23:10 |
rubenwardy |
garywhite, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17601 |
| 23:11 |
rubenwardy |
!title |
| 23:11 |
ShadowBot |
Serious security vulnerability in WorldEdit GUI - Minetest Forums |
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| 23:29 |
Fixer |
red-005: new line or something causes crash? |
| 23:30 |
Fixer |
some escape character |
| 23:30 |
Fixer |
i go sleep anyway, good night |
| 23:34 |
red-005 |
Fixer, is that a bug build? |
| 23:35 |
Fixer |
red-005: nevermind, i had no idea what i was doing with chatting that nonsence via mod %) |
| 23:35 |
red-005 |
debug* |
| 23:35 |
Fixer |
red-005: backtrace was from debug build, yes |
| 23:35 |
red-005 |
oh I though those also included line numbers |
| 23:35 |
red-005 |
guess not |
| 23:36 |
red-005 |
nvm |
| 23:37 |
red-005 |
oh this issue reminds me of another one |
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| 23:38 |
red-005 |
I think I know how to fix this |
| 23:38 |
red-005 |
or at least work around it |
| 23:38 |
rubenwardy |
Shara, what's the command to add a user to auto-voice? Google fails me |
| 23:39 |
KaadmY |
/msg ChanServ mode #minetest-hub KaadmY +v? |
| 23:39 |
KaadmY |
Or something like that I think |
| 23:40 |
red-005 |
iirc it's flags |
| 23:40 |
red-005 |
not mode |
| 23:40 |
rubenwardy |
oh, apparently I don't even have access to the access list |
| 23:41 |
red-005 |
https://github.com/red-001/minetest/tree/chat_fix_test |
| 23:41 |
red-005 |
^ fixer |
| 23:43 |
red-005 |
night all |
| 23:43 |
rubenwardy |
o/ |
| 23:45 |
Fixer |
red-005: will try it |
