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00:22 NathanS21 joined #minetest-hub
00:31 paramat joined #minetest-hub
00:43 shivajiva Web_44 looks like the player testing the exploit, hit on storms server ~100 mins ago
00:44 shivajiva it started banning players shortly after he arrived
00:46 shivajiva another account attached to his IP had noclip and protection_bypass privs on my server
00:51 nore shivajiva: what's happening?
01:32 cornernote joined #minetest-hub
01:46 benrob0329 hello all
01:48 shivajiva Hi benrob
01:50 benrob0329 hi shivajiva, whats up?
01:51 shivajiva just about ready to sleep
01:51 Shara Hi benrob0329
01:51 Shara Hmm
01:51 benrob0329 hi Shara
01:51 shivajiva Hi cornernote
01:52 cornernote Hey shivajiva
01:53 shivajiva I'm a fan of your skyblock mod :)
01:54 Shara Hi cornernote
01:55 cornernote Hey Shara
01:55 cornernote How is everyone this lovely weekend?
01:55 Shara Sleepy, but good thanks.
01:56 shivajiva ^
01:56 shivajiva hbu?
01:57 benrob0329 I'm setting up gentoo :P
01:58 cornernote Went to a crazy club Friday, sleep Saturday
01:59 shivajiva heh sounds like fun if you had to sleep for a day xD
01:59 cornernote Speaking of crazy things happening... Got an email from oldcoder recently
02:00 shivajiva ah me too
02:01 nore (me too :/)
02:01 cornernote From his point of view, seems some people are, not sure how to say it, being jerks about something small
02:06 shivajiva what is this something small?
02:08 shivajiva need a framework of your understanding of this really
02:09 shivajiva you seem to know him well, he cites your assistance in providing web resources
02:09 cornernote Not a lot... I've not been here for a while. Only what was in the email
02:10 cornernote We have helped each other with both mt and non mt issues in the past
02:13 shivajiva the content of the email are somewhat fanciful and reveal personal details
02:15 shivajiva will you be running his Australian branch as suggested?
02:19 cornernote That wasn't suggest, I think you misunderstood what was offered
02:20 cornernote I'm not concerned revealing personal details, I'm not a particularly private person, but I understand others maybe
02:20 shivajiva probably it's a big read
02:27 cornernote My concern with the email is that oldcoder feels the overwhelming majority of people seem to not want him around, and the email doesn't really explain why... And even if it did it would be his view...
02:28 cornernote So I guess my question is... Do most people feel he is unwelcome?
02:28 benrob0329 before this, no
02:29 nore ^ my opinion is that he's alienated himself will all this
02:29 Shara This channel was not created just to remove him.
02:30 cornernote benrob0329 before this email?
02:30 nore (but he thought it was)
02:31 benrob0329 cornernote: before the "minebest" fork, before the ddos accusations, before any of this started
02:31 Shara This has been going on for a while.
02:32 nore well before all the sneak stuff he was not unwelcome at all
02:32 nore the sneak problem started a fight but it settled in a few days
02:32 cornernote It's all just discussion
02:32 benrob0329 and even after the sneak stuff
02:32 nore except for OC wanting to make a fork, but stealing the name, and registering the trademark
02:33 cornernote Hopefully my discussion and questions will not make me unwelcome
02:33 benrob0329 it was the fact that he decided to fork and split the community that alienated him
02:33 benrob0329 cornernote: nah, your just inquiring. not threatening
02:33 Shara I think the devs handled the sneak issue poorly, but most of them involved have admitted it should have been handled better as well, and several of them have been trying to fix things.
02:33 cornernote nore, how does one steal a name?
02:33 Shara A now respect a few of the devs more than I did to begin with in all truth
02:34 Shara I now*
02:34 cornernote And he claimed to have permission to register a trademark, has he even done it?
02:34 nore cornernote: he explicitely said he wanted to register the trademark, and that he had the means to be better referenced when looking for minetest
02:34 nore he hasn't yet
02:35 nore but he set up the "minetest store" on his website which he said was to register the trademark
02:35 cornernote Shara, I'm not following, they handled it poorly, but you respect them more?
02:36 Shara cornernote: because people learn and grow
02:36 Shara I saw people start to listen and change
02:36 cornernote Ok, that makes sense and is a good thing
02:37 nore well and after that his server was DDoSed and he came to #-dev asking who did this, refusing to believe no-one there knew and refusing to go to a more appropriate channel such as #minetest to ask that
02:37 cornernote But why was oc unwelcome as part of this process?
02:37 nore he was *not* unwelcome
02:37 cornernote nore, again, just a discussion
02:38 nore cornernote: yeah, of course :)
02:38 cornernote The email said he was demoted and kicked
02:38 cornernote Sounds unwelcome to me
02:38 Shara cornernote: perhaps it's best you read the logs from the days this happened
02:39 Shara Then you can review what each side said and reach conclusions
02:39 Shara These things happened in logged channels
02:39 cornernote Could you please paste the link? I'm on my phone... But am genuinely interested
02:39 Shara Would need a date
02:39 NathanS21 I believe his letter is posted publicly on minetest.org for anybody interested in reading it.
02:40 Shara Anyone recall the dates of things?
02:40 nore 2017-04-23 for #minetest
02:40 nore and 2017-04-21 for #minetest-dev
02:41 shivajiva his posture as the opposition made his position increasingly untenable and his response was to turn to troll like behaviour just like this doxxing he's currently doing
02:41 nore (I just grepped "kicked OldCoder" from my logs so I might be missing a few things)
02:42 Shara Thanks nore. I will check for logs
02:42 nore http://irc.minetest.ru/minet​est-dev/2017-04-21#i_4886105
02:42 Shara nore saves me work :)
02:44 nore http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2017-04-23#i_4893419 for the other one I think
02:44 benrob0329 you know you have things working when you can listen to the marble machine in 1080p :P
02:45 nore and there actually http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2017-04-26#i_4898064
02:46 shivajiva I find myself asking how he can have a tenable position when he resorts to this but I'm interested in your conclusions cornernote
02:47 nore (he was also insulting some people with PMs around that time as well)
02:48 shivajiva unfortunately I will have to read them in the log as I need to sleep, nice to meet you btw :)
02:53 benrob0329 need to pull git as gentoo doesnt have a maintainer for the minetest package :-(
02:53 benrob0329 still on .14, even in unstable
02:53 Shara Heh, so is my server
02:53 Shara So that's fine :P
02:53 benrob0329 true
02:54 benrob0329 but i like to run git anyways :P
02:54 Shara I'll probably sit down and work out the mess it's in well enough to update it in July or August
02:54 benrob0329 (Offtopic) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyCIpKAIFyo
02:54 Shara The debian install was so messed up when I set things up that I am almost scared to touch it
02:54 benrob0329 might want to back up the .minetest then
02:55 Shara Yea
02:55 benrob0329 update, make sure it works, then replace it
02:55 benrob0329 possibly cleaning things up in the process
02:56 Shara benrob0329: That music = awesome
02:56 benrob0329 Shara: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU​8joBb1Q&list=RDIvUU8joBb1Q#t=47
02:56 benrob0329 was inspierd by it :D
02:56 Shara yea, I know that one :)
02:57 benrob0329 its the best meme :PP
02:57 benrob0329 now to watch some i3 tutorials to get this desktop out of the early 2000s
02:57 benrob0329 its not hard, i just gotta have some help first time around
02:58 Shara I ended up setting up a different computer just to compile MT...
02:59 Shara But it felt good to be able to finally test code changes properly again
02:59 * benrob0329 browses pixabay for backgrounds
03:12 cornernote Thanks everyone for the feedback... I'll have a look at the logs soon... But I think it's worth mentioning that it's not about being right or wrong, it's about someone who has contributed a lot being unwelcome... It doesn't seem he did anything malicious or damaging, it's all just talk in a chatroom
03:22 paramat um, he did actually
03:33 cornernote Ok, do I need to read the logs to find it?
03:39 cornernote As a channel for an open source game, if people want to ban someone based on a pm, shouldn't they share the pm, obviously with any private info removed?
03:40 cornernote That's a big call haha... I mean you're including me, right?
03:40 cornernote In your insane list in 4 years?
03:41 cornernote Surely I rank somewhere?!
03:41 cornernote Maybe not top 10, but definitely in top 50
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07:42 tenplus1 joined #minetest-hub
07:42 tenplus1 hi folks
07:43 LazyJ Howdy tenplus1 ;)
07:43 tenplus1 hi LazyJ :P
07:50 VanessaE go back to bed, tenplus1.  it's too early :P
07:50 VanessaE also hi :)
07:50 tenplus1 lol, hi Vanessa...  8:50am here :D
07:52 * tenplus1 is checking find_nodes_in_area c++ code to see how it all works :P
07:56 VanessaE it's *still* too early :P
07:56 tenplus1 ehehehe
07:56 VanessaE benrob0329: *poke*
07:58 nerzhul joined #minetest-hub
07:58 tenplus1 hi nrz
07:59 nerzhul hi
07:59 * tenplus1 wonders if find_nodes_in_area_under_air can be amended to find_nodes_in_area_under and find_nodes_in_area_above
08:03 red-002 huh I see you are back to the subject of the letter
08:03 tenplus1 ?
08:05 tenplus1 also... line_of_sight needs a bool added for solid_nodes_only
08:05 tenplus1 so it avoids plantlike etc
08:30 tenplus1 would this work ok: https://pastebin.com/adwHRUW0
08:34 * red-002 shrugs
08:34 red-002 test it
08:35 red-002 oh you might want to check if it's airlike not just air
08:37 VanessaE check for buildable_to.
08:37 red-002 that would be even better
08:38 red-002 otherwise plants will block the line of view
08:38 tenplus1 so change if(n.param0 != CONTENT_AIR) { to if(n.drawtype != NDT_AIRLIKE) {
08:38 VanessaE tenplus1: ^^^
08:40 tenplus1 and  if(n.drawtype == NDT_NORMAL) {   to   if(n.buildable_to == false) {
08:40 VanessaE you don't need to check the drawtype if you just check buildable_to.
08:40 VanessaE (air is, also :) )
08:40 tenplus1 oh yeah... lol
08:41 tenplus1 we still need this to be backwards compatibletho... cant just change the function from hereon in
08:42 cx384 joined #minetest-hub
08:42 tenplus1 hi cx384
08:42 cx384 hi tenplus1
08:42 tenplus1 so can keep the airlike check (counts for air and enhances it to airlike nodes).... but inside I can have a check for solid bool and buildable_to nodes ?!?
08:45 tenplus1 https://pastebin.com/QEk94bQD <-- updated
08:47 CWz joined #minetest-hub
08:47 tenplus1 hi CWz
08:48 CWz aye
08:49 tenplus1 original line_of_sight code to compare changes: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/b​lob/2818d3f2244d2146a5cdb61cd41f6561c5​14f97c/src/serverenvironment.cpp#L494
08:53 * tenplus1 pokes Vanessa...
09:00 tenplus1 red?
09:14 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5762
09:14 tenplus1 back laters :D
09:14 tenplus1 left #minetest-hub
09:28 celeron55 oh, cornernote was here
09:29 red-002 yeah he was asking about all the OC stuff
09:33 celeron55 i wish he asked for my viewpoint too, but i guess he's sleeping now
09:33 celeron55 and... i was sleeping then :P
09:46 shivajiva He'll  be aback I'm sure but he's not asleep it's too early
09:51 shivajiva it's too early for me to type properly it seems
09:51 red-002 it's always too early for my to ype properly
09:52 red-002 me*
09:52 shivajiva :D
09:52 red-002 to*
09:52 red-002 case in point I suppose
09:52 shivajiva nicely done!
09:56 Calinou hi
10:05 tenplus1 joined #minetest-hub
10:05 tenplus1 hi folks
10:05 red-002 hello tenplus1
10:05 tenplus1 hi red
10:05 red-002 I left some comments on your pr
10:05 tenplus1 oohkewl :) checkingnow
10:12 tenplus1 red-002: I thought that stepsize was the last function var and that v3s16 *p was a return value... so I put it inbetween those ? am I wrong ?
10:13 cx384 joined #minetest-hub
10:13 tenplus1 wb cx384
10:14 cx384 hi :-)
10:15 Fixer joined #minetest-hub
10:15 tenplus1 hi Fixer
10:16 red-002 you still have to change it everywhere that the function is called
10:16 red-002 also you need to change the header
10:16 red-002 I forgot to mention that
10:17 tenplus1 o.O more than I know... am not good at c coding
10:18 tenplus1 so current line_of_sight has (pos1, pos2, stepsize, p) ?? what is p for ?
10:19 red-002 looks like it's the first node that blocked the line of site
10:19 red-002 sight*
10:20 tenplus1 hi shiva
10:20 shivajiva morning ten :)
10:20 tenplus1 red-002: so is p a return value or can it be set by function?
10:20 tenplus1 am confuzzled
10:21 red-002 no the bool is the return vaule
10:21 * shivajiva nods in agreement
10:21 red-002 c++ doesn't allow more then one return vaule
10:21 tenplus1 so having nobuild before that is ok ?
10:21 red-002 p is a pointer
10:21 red-002 well yes it is
10:22 red-002 I was just saying you need to put it last if you want to give it a default vaule
10:22 red-002 otherwise it doesn't really matter
10:23 tenplus1 but wouldnt that mean it's usage would end up being:   line_of_sight(pos1, pos2, stepsize, p, nobuild) ?? or would the P part not be there
10:23 red-002 ??
10:24 red-002 like I said the order doesn't matter
10:25 tenplus1 so long as I add nobuild to every reference of line_of_sight in code ?
10:25 red-002 yes
10:25 tenplus1 k, will work on that now... thanks :)
10:25 red-002 or you could give it a default vaule and only change it when you need to
10:26 tenplus1 it seems erverenvironment.h sets up default values, will use that to make it false
10:37 CWz started a world up with no protection mods(except for spawn), gonna see how long until things go nuts
10:38 tenplus1 lol
10:39 VanessaE CWz: things aren't likely to "go nuts" but expect the server to be abandoned pretty fasyt
10:40 VanessaE fast*
10:40 VanessaE my "Free for all" server was basically like that
10:40 VanessaE totally unmoderated, protection had to be user-choice, no moderators were expected to do it
10:40 red-002 wow I just saw a paid minetesthosting server
10:41 CWz Feck it has begone
10:42 VanessaE minetesthosting?
10:42 CWz dat Services sacks
10:42 VanessaE please tell me that isn't who I think it is
10:43 CWz It dis
10:43 CWz http://www.minetesthosting.com/
10:43 tenplus1 k, I've prolly messed this up, but: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5762
10:43 tenplus1 meanwhile I lunch :PP
10:44 red-002 can confrim you messed it up
10:44 tenplus1 lololol
10:44 red-002 default agruments need to be last
10:44 VanessaE jesus fuck
10:44 * CWz squirts catchup, relish and mustard  on tenplus1 and places himn in the bun
10:45 VanessaE Large:  $40/month, 10 active worlds, 50 users
10:45 tenplus1 lol, thanks CWz :P
10:45 VanessaE I pay $42 a month for the whole damn server and it has a lot more than 10/50 on it some days
10:45 red-002 wow someone is hosting an server thats using ipv6
10:45 CWz yes bad hosting is bad
10:45 CWz who?
10:46 red-002 too bad my ISP still doesn't understand ipv6
10:46 CWz is hosting ipv6
10:46 red-002 dunno
10:46 CWz Banana Land
10:46 red-002 the server is called "banana land"
10:46 CWz ?
10:46 VanessaE so who runs that site anyway?
10:46 tenplus1 banana!!!!!!
10:46 tenplus1 hope they have minions
10:47 red-002 wow too more paid minetesthosting servers
10:47 red-002 two*
10:47 CWz that's the watch the word burn experiment that i was talking about
10:47 red-002 I guessed so much
10:47 VanessaE ok someone is going to HAVE to show me how to do the same thing, since I have good bandwidth, just not much storage (but that can be upgraded)
10:47 Fixer just logged in on server and crashed after opening chat again :/
10:49 CWz who the Puck payed for a minetesthosting account. it like throwing you pennies at a Walrus
10:49 CWz VanessaE, what thing?
10:50 VanessaE CWz: paid hosting
10:50 VanessaE I mean, I've got the hardware
10:50 CWz VanessaE, becoming paid hoster?
10:50 VanessaE yeah
10:51 CWz I think setting up something like that is easy, so easy in fact that i don't know how to do it. :(
10:52 CWz basically the ease of ease of doing so is so easy buffer underflow occurs and it becomes extremely hard
10:52 * CWz ^ should have worded that better
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10:53 CWz i wonder how they accomplished it probably with php or something
10:53 CWz VanessaE, you could do a manual setup
10:54 VanessaE I'll give it some thought
10:54 red-002 well they made a nice frontend for everything
10:54 VanessaE problem is I would eventually have to upgrade the server - it has the bandwidth, but memory and disk are a little ...snug.
10:54 red-002 I assume thats why they are so popular
10:55 CWz i think most of minetesthosting.com's plans don't allow for custom mods
10:56 red-002 custom mods are listed as coming soon
10:56 red-002 so correction none allow custom mods
10:56 shivajiva wonder if they updated WE
10:57 CWz It's been like that for over a year
10:57 CWz maybe 2
10:57 red-002 shivajiva, lol
10:57 red-002 I doubt it
10:57 red-002 last time I checked they are still running on 0.4.14
10:57 shivajiva I mentioned it to mcg she pays for hosting there
10:58 red-002 I can't really check now cause there is no way to filter the serverlist
10:58 shivajiva correction her parents pay
10:58 red-002 lol
11:00 CWz shivajiva, is the hosting any good?
11:00 CWz i wonder how much VanessaE's mintest hosting plans would cost
11:01 CWz 16$/mo
11:01 CWz ?
11:01 shivajiva it's weird, the server sleeps when nobody is connected
11:01 CWz sleeps?
11:01 red-002 the server is turned off
11:01 shivajiva but it seems fine on bandwidth, yea it stops announcing
11:01 VanessaE CWz: if I did it, it would either be $9.95 a month, or $18.
11:02 red-002 and starts when some tries to connect to that work
11:02 red-002 port***
11:02 shivajiva yes
11:02 red-002 that is one confusing mistake
11:03 CWz wonder about the significance of $9.95 a month, or $18.
11:03 VanessaE red-002: that tells me it's a AWS instance, or maybe linode.
11:03 CWz AWS?
11:03 red-002 amzone
11:03 red-002 amazone?
11:03 red-002 dunno
11:03 VanessaE CWz: $9.95 would be the market-friendly version of $10.  $18 is a significant number for Jewish folk (it means chai, "life")
11:03 VanessaE AWS is Amazon yeah
11:03 CWz חי?
11:04 VanessaE their cloud service.
11:04 VanessaE CWz: yep, I think that's right (I can barely see the chars)
11:04 red-002 lol started a server and granted the first person to join all privs
11:04 red-002 lets see what happens
11:04 CWz Huh?
11:04 shivajiva LOL
11:04 CWz maube those are test servers that they have
11:05 shivajiva select world, replace with air
11:05 CWz which one are you on?
11:05 Hijiri does mcg run each server on its own whatever instance?
11:05 red-002 I'm was seeing if minetesthosting updated thier servers
11:05 red-002 looks like no
11:05 Hijiri ripriprip
11:06 Hijiri do they have mod security at least
11:06 CWz i feel sorry for them if they have an outdated worldedit_gui mod installed
11:06 red-002 naw only mt-game
11:06 red-002 well maybe paid servers do
11:06 red-002 not going to waste my money to check
11:06 shivajiva the package allows for 5 servers I think, I have no idea how it loads up but she has 3 running I think
11:07 shivajiva she's not technical hence mthosting
11:07 red-002 it's disabled
11:07 Hijiri what is
11:08 red-002 <Hijiri> do they have mod security at least
11:08 shivajiva oh my
11:09 shivajiva I'll expect the worst then
11:09 Krock joined #minetest-hub
11:09 tenplus1 hi Krock
11:09 Krock hi tenplus1
11:09 shivajiva hi Krock o/
11:10 Krock hi shivajiva
11:10 Jordach joined #minetest-hub
11:10 tenplus1 pfft, failed checks and doesnt say why: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5762
11:10 Krock hi Jordach
11:10 tenplus1 hi Jordach
11:10 CWz server with dumb name
11:11 shivajiva cornernote came for a chat btw if you didn't read the logs
11:11 red-002 https://travis-ci.org/minet​est/minetest/jobs/232065051
11:11 Krock tenplus1, https://travis-ci.org/minetest​/minetest/jobs/232051354#L4069
11:11 CWz one of the server places you inside land
11:11 red-002 I have a feeling I should just rewrite your patch
11:12 Krock the constructor misses a boolean argument
11:12 tenplus1 would prolly be easier
11:14 cx384 What happened to the Jungle server? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?​f=10&amp;t=13125&amp;view=unread#p269532
11:15 Krock lol is Gundul even using Minetest to host the server?
11:15 Krock hacked MT clients can't change files on a server
11:15 red-002 oh great smartgit just broke
11:16 shivajiva looks like a bit of lua was executed with security off maybe
11:16 red-002 fun
11:17 red-002 "now class here we have an example of why mod security isn't the worst change to minetest since sliced bread"
11:18 Krock since when do we have sliced bread in Minetest?
11:19 red-002 I bet it's in home decor
11:19 * tenplus1 has french toast in xanadu :D
11:19 Zeno` it's not
11:19 Zeno` toast is though
11:19 VanessaE doesn't that count as sliced bread? :)_
11:19 CWz what about Pretzels
11:19 VanessaE CWz: no pretzels, but there is beer :)
11:20 Zeno` yeah, pretzels would be great as a necklace
11:20 CWz Good morning mate!
11:21 tenplus1 hi zeno
11:21 Zeno` hi all
11:23 CWz deezl is still AMI
11:25 Zeno` AMI?
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11:41 DS-minetest joined #minetest-hub
11:41 tenplus1 hi DS-minetest
11:41 DS-minetest hi tenplus1 :)
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12:08 tenplus1 hi WhoAreYou
12:08 WhoAreYou Hello 10+1. :)
12:10 Fixer CYBERNICKNAMES
12:11 shivajiva Hi WAY :)
12:12 WhoAreYou Hello shivajiva. :)
12:13 WhoAreYou Looks like there was a nasty attack on servers 3 days ago. I need to find VE to change some of my passwords on her servers.
12:15 CWz how many server effected?
12:15 VanessaE WhoAreYou: just sign on and change your password in the ESC menu
12:17 WhoAreYou The problem is... I wasn't on them for such a long time, so i forgot all of  them. So, i need some temporary ones.
12:17 WhoAreYou :)
12:17 Shara Hello all :)
12:18 tenplus1 hi Shara
12:22 CWz WhoAreYou, want me to reset your passwords?
12:22 WhoAreYou CWz, on VE's servers? Sure.
12:27 tenplus1 crap, pull failed again... am sure I inserver bool everywhere it needed to be *sigh* https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5762
12:30 * red-002 is working on this now
12:31 tenplus1 thanks red...  am still wondering where I messed up tho :PP
12:33 red-002 you forgot a ;
12:33 tenplus1 crap...
12:33 red-002 in l_env.cpp
12:33 tenplus1 line 841
12:38 red-002 anyway I fixed up all the other issues with your PR basicly rewriting it
12:39 red-002 lol apprently I'm using an unoffical client and I should use the one from minetest.org
12:39 tenplus1 kewl, cant wait to see
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12:39 red-002 can we ban OC from the server list?
12:39 red-002 if he wants to be minetest he better also host that
12:40 CWz that may be a bit much
12:40 red-002 server: minetesthosting.com 30640
12:40 red-002 not at all
12:40 red-002 if he and his supporters want to block offical clients their servers should be blocked
12:41 CWz war of the forks
12:41 tenplus1 lol
12:41 CWz wait how is he able to test if we are using a minebest or a minetest
12:41 red-002 if his servers don't allow people to connect then they shouldn't be on the server lsit
12:42 red-002 someone should see if this also happens with OC's servers
12:43 Zeno` The obvious way would be to send a custom packet requesting the server version and if there is no response then don't allow the connection
12:43 Zeno` I dunno if that's what's happening though
12:43 Zeno` s/server/client
12:43 red-002 client tells the server it's version
12:44 Zeno` strict checking?
12:44 red-002 I assume it checks the version string
12:44 red-002 or many it's an old version and doesn't allow new clients
12:45 red-002 in any case this shouldn't be allowed
12:45 Zeno` check with celeron55
12:45 red-002 if he wants to do this he is welcome to host his own serverlist
12:46 celeron55 what
12:46 tenplus1 hi celeron55
12:46 celeron55 there are servers on the server list that don't allow minetest clients?
12:46 red-002 yes
12:46 celeron55 list them
12:47 red-002 the only one I know is server: minetesthosting.com 30640
12:47 Shara I had problems connecting to a minetesthosting server in the past as well.
12:48 red-002 http://imgur.com/X5L89Of
12:48 celeron55 holy shit
12:48 Fixer lol
12:49 red-002 I don't personaly think this should be in anyway tolerated
12:49 celeron55 sfan5: we need to moderate the server list
12:49 sfan5 nice
12:50 red-002 these sorts of servers should be removed and oldcoder should be warned to not encorage this
12:50 davisonio agreed there needs to be some changes to the server list
12:50 sfan5 shadowninja has thankfully removed banning from the masteserver code
12:50 celeron55 the master server needs blacklist functionality
12:50 Krock we are a free and open (source) project. censoring is not a good idea
12:50 sfan5 since "it should be done with iptables"
12:50 celeron55 lol
12:50 sfan5 aka "i use one machine to host a single page"
12:50 davisonio censoring is sometimes good for a good reason
12:51 red-002 ^
12:51 celeron55 Krock: there are rules and common sense that need to be followed
12:51 red-002 I agree these people are basicly begging to be censored
12:52 red-002 also it could be useful if someone finds a security exploit in the client
12:52 Shara It's a server list on minetest.net. For servers that can be connected to using the client from minetest.net
12:52 celeron55 sfan5: just hardcode it or anything, there's no way this can be allowed to fly
12:52 red-002 ^
12:52 Shara It's nto really censoring in my opinion. It's making sure the list is used for purpose
12:52 red-002 the question is do we also block oldcoders servers
12:53 red-002 someone should check if they also do this
12:53 sfan5 ayy drama will the result of that
12:53 Shara Huge huge drama
12:53 Fixer Shara: update your worldedit NOW
12:53 sfan5 not like that's anything new
12:53 Shara Fixer: Done on RC, DL and all TPS servers
12:53 Shara But thank you :)
12:54 Fixer Shara: critical vulnerability in worledit_gui
12:54 * red-002 doesn't feel like editing his hosts file
12:54 Shara I know
12:54 Shara RC got hit by it on May 11th already
12:54 Fixer Shara: when? i changed my pass 10 min ago
12:54 Fixer ok
12:54 Shara Yesterday
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12:55 red-002 hi rubenwardy
12:55 red-002 you might want to read the logs
12:55 rubenwardy just read them
12:55 rubenwardy holy guacamole
12:55 tenplus1 is this the worldedit_gui thing ?? or something else ?
12:56 sfan5 yeah worldedit_gui thing
12:56 tenplus1 gotcha, thankfully I dont use that *phew*
12:56 rubenwardy might be worth making a forum post
12:56 rubenwardy like, it's already being exploited
12:57 rubenwardy also recommend that production servers use mod security
12:58 rubenwardy why is lua execution even in WorldEdit?
12:58 red-002 who knows
12:58 rubenwardy for a lambda function, it would make sense. But not full unsandboxed lua
12:59 CWz can that bug can be considered as arbitrary code execution
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12:59 rubenwardy CWz, yes
12:59 Shara It only seems to be a single person exploiting it so far, from what I found out
12:59 rubenwardy if mod security is disabled, then they can run arbitary terminal commands from the user running Minetest
13:00 Fixer rubenwardy: and read auth.txt
13:00 Fixer which is worse
13:00 rubenwardy well, all the passwords are SRP'd at least
13:00 rubenwardy which is better than hashing
13:01 CWz even get sudo if the os has a vulnerability.
13:02 rubenwardy yeah, privilege escalation
13:02 rubenwardy Dirty COW
13:04 CWz is mod security on by default at least
13:04 rubenwardy no
13:04 rubenwardy because it broke mods
13:04 sfan5 celeron55: which ones do i ban
13:05 celeron55 i think it would be a pretty good idea to shutdown and disable the vulnerable servers
13:05 rubenwardy agreed
13:05 celeron55 even if they have a restart script, just setting bind_address = foo will make a server fail to start
13:06 celeron55 way less harmless than getting actually attacked
13:07 celeron55 sfan5: i guess it's minetesthosting.com:30640 for now
13:08 davisonio set the bind address = update_your_worldedit_gui_mod otherwise they might just change it back and not know what the problem was
13:08 celeron55 davisonio: good idea
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13:09 sfan5 done
13:10 sfan5 (ping me if it isn't gone in 6 minutes)
13:10 CWz what's wrong with minetesthosting.com:30640?
13:10 celeron55 well, try it
13:10 celeron55 you'll see
13:12 Krock lol
13:12 Krock apparently it's really an unofficial one
13:12 CWz minetest.org? that not official
13:12 Krock no, I'm using an unofficial one. This .org is scam anyways
13:13 CWz isn't minetest.org belongs to coldoder
13:13 rubenwardy yes
13:13 CWz *Oldcoder
13:13 Krock *doesn't   belong
13:13 rubenwardy really should have been bought instead of .net :(
13:14 Krock .net is nice goo
13:14 Krock *too
13:14 davisonio who runs the .com?
13:14 red-002 someone
13:14 Fixer minetest.io /takes out portable vinyl player
13:15 Krock good question. old fan/air conditionner site
13:15 red-002 mine.test
13:15 Fixer minetest is so clusterfuck
13:15 CWz so does that mean they are in cahoots with him
13:15 rubenwardy minete.st
13:15 Fixer minetest.net .org .com .tk holy fuck
13:15 davisonio minete.st
13:15 red-002 yeah
13:15 Krock davisonio, you got ninja'd :P
13:15 celeron55 .com has been around longer than .org i think, and i still don't know who runs it
13:15 davisonio haha I did!
13:15 davisonio we should contact them, it's totally outdated
13:15 celeron55 good luck with that, lol
13:15 red-002 should have seen what happened when he said he will take over the project on his irc server
13:16 rubenwardy anyone fancy making a command to change bind_address setting?
13:16 rubenwardy and shutdown
13:16 CWz wait how do i even open tbz file
13:16 CWz nvm
13:16 red-002 rubenwardy, working on it
13:16 red-002 adding it to csm
13:17 rubenwardy I say we run that on every server affected, then post a news post on the forum
13:17 rubenwardy this is serious
13:17 celeron55 csm - the official minetest blackhat + whitehack tool...
13:17 red-002 lol
13:17 celeron55 whitehat*
13:17 celeron55 whitehack 8D
13:17 red-002 greenish hat
13:17 CWz what does that do?
13:17 red-002 what does what do?
13:18 tenplus1 ?
13:18 * CWz heard an echo
13:20 red-002 alright now local formpspec input is sent to the server
13:20 red-002 now i only need to understand worldedit
13:21 davisonio tracking down the owner of minetest.com lol
13:21 benrob0329 What? Worldedit had an exploit?
13:21 CWz we still talking about the worldedit bug right. not something new.
13:21 tenplus1 worldedit_gui has exploit
13:22 tenplus1 *had, it's fixed now
13:22 benrob0329 Good
13:22 benrob0329 I though you couldn't actually read passwords from auth.txt?
13:22 Krock you can read the encrypted ones
13:23 Krock or hashed, whatever
13:23 tenplus1 any way of moving auth.txt info into the new player settings
13:23 CWz gonna try loging into that server with the minetest.org client
13:23 benrob0329 right, can you unhash them?
13:23 benrob0329 It doesn't seem like that'd be easy
13:24 red-002 alright almost done
13:24 CWz even the minetest.org client cannot connect to that server, so it's possibly just a typo on the server owner part
13:24 Krock benrob0329, well, using bruteforce maybe
13:25 rubenwardy benrob0329, ^ or a rainbow table
13:25 Krock red-002, that was quit!
13:25 rubenwardy but it's SRP, so not sure
13:25 benrob0329 Krock: yes, but that's a different problem
13:26 benrob0329 rubenwardy: what is a rainbow table?
13:26 CWz http://www.kedeleducation.co.uk/use​r/products/large/Multi-coloured-ext​-end-picnic-table-PICENDWH001.jpg
13:26 rubenwardy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_table
13:27 CWz Oh
13:27 tenplus1 ooh, that looks promising
13:28 Krock ddg'd "brute force" https://www.gamersnet.nl/revi​ews/brute_force/scrshot4.jpg
13:29 CWz i bet that hacker who's using that bug is wearing a monocle, has cat on his lap which he strokes, while twirling his moustache
13:29 davisonio ok found out who runs minetest.com - seems like they haven't been active since 2012
13:29 red-002 it worked!!!!
13:30 red-002 krock do you want to write the exploit code?
13:30 CWz huh
13:30 red-002 I'm not sure what the best way to disable the servers would be
13:32 red-002 I'm kinda surprised by how simple that was
13:32 red-002 just a single line of c++ code
13:32 tenplus1 ???
13:32 red-002 and some code ported from worldedit
13:32 * CWz confused
13:32 rubenwardy davisonio: who?
13:33 Krock red-002, in Lua?
13:33 red-002 yes
13:33 red-002 I abused csm formspecs so you even the the full worldedit formspec
13:34 Krock okay, on the way
13:36 CWz i wonder how many server are effected probably not was much as we think
13:40 davisonio rubenwardy: just emailed them and PMed them https://forum.minetest.net/memberli​st.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1515 - they actually went on IRC in 2014 looking to sell it - also run two other sandbox game sites
13:41 rubenwardy how much were they looking for?
13:42 red-002 looks good
13:42 red-002 let me try it on a local server
13:43 * red-002 forgot about /msg
13:43 davisonio rubenwardy: didn't say http://irc.minetest.net/min​etest/2014-02-21#i_3593117
13:44 grey-001 oh copy and paste is broken in mt again
13:45 CWz grey-001, i don't remember it ever working
13:45 grey-001 it works sometimes
13:45 grey-001 I can copy from minetest to minetest
13:47 Fixer .com is no longer on the first page
13:47 davisonio yeah it's nowhere to be seen now
13:49 grey-001 we should inform minetesthosting about the sanctions taken agaist a paid server they are hosting
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14:06 tenplus1 o.O adblock blocks on average 48 different things per youtube video now... damn!!
14:07 Shara nerzhul or Krock (or any other dev): could you let me know if I do need to change anything else for https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5758 please?
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14:09 tenplus1 hi NathanS21
14:10 NathanS21 hi tenplus1
14:10 NathanS21 just recorded a mod review of farming_redo
14:10 Krock looks good Shara.
14:10 NathanS21 I hadn't realized all the new features you've added.
14:10 tenplus1 ooh sweet :D
14:10 Shara Would just really like to try and get it in before release if possible
14:18 rubenwardy grey-001, progress?
14:25 grey-001 Shara, is your server patched?
14:25 Shara Yes
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14:25 grey-001 oh good
14:25 Krock hi rubenwardy
14:25 grey-001 wb rubenwardy
14:25 rubenwardy yo
14:25 Shara RC and DL were patched yesterday as soon as this came up
14:26 Shara TPS servers were all patched last night
14:34 Shara Okay, can someone share the list of servers to be disabled please?
14:34 Shara I'm being told mine is on the list (which of mine even?)
14:34 tenplus1 disabled why ?
14:34 Shara I don't actually know.
14:35 Shara I assume something to do with those who have not updated WE
14:35 Shara But I did that yesterday, right after you linked me to it
14:35 tenplus1 NathanS21: did you use bonemeal mod with farming redo ? api detects crops and saplings
14:35 Shara So if I find my servers missing from the public list or anything else, I will actually be quite annoyed.
14:35 NathanS21 no tenplus1 I didn't, just the farming_redo mod
14:35 tenplus1 :P
14:36 NathanS21 Shara, the only talk I'd ever heard about removing servers was those that aren't actually public, IE ones that require you to create an account elsewhere to get whitelisted on the server.
14:36 NathanS21 but I don't even know how that would be accomplished.
14:36 Shara All my servers, apart from the one that doesn't announce anyway, are public
14:38 rubenwardy !title https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy​/12c49e1d18b1d97a2378851b03a7599e
14:38 ShadowBot rubenwardy: Draft forum announcement · GitHub
14:39 Fixer Shara: you don't need it since you are updated, here is the list https://pastebin.com/raw/4NXGQ4Ej
14:39 Shara Fixer: grey-001 PMed me to say I am on the list
14:39 Shara And yes, I am
14:39 Shara Both my servers
14:40 Shara What is this based on?
14:40 grey-001 whatever you have the mod or not
14:40 Shara I'm to be disabled because I happen to have WE?
14:40 grey-001 no
14:40 rubenwardy celeron55 ^
14:40 Shara Then why am I on this list?
14:41 tenplus1 so long as you updated to the new worldedit_gui it should be fine... no need to worry
14:41 CWz wouldn't that list make a hakor's job easior
14:41 Fixer Shara: thats list of server with worldedit_gui
14:42 Shara grey-001: has just informed me this is a list of servers he will attempt the exploit on
14:42 Shara I am noting here this is WITHOUT my permission
14:42 grey-001 this was discussed in the channel earlier
14:42 Fixer Shara: this is intended
14:42 Fixer Shara: he needs to extra check if it is fixed for sure
14:42 Shara Sorry, but not acceptable.
14:43 Shara You ask me before trying such things on my server]
14:43 Shara I am right here, so it's not that difficult.
14:43 rubenwardy well, just like to say this doesn't have official endorsement
14:43 Shara And I have told you I have updated the mod
14:43 grey-001 .Krock
14:43 Shara So I want Red Cat and Dark Lands removed from this list right away
14:44 Krock TRIGGERED
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14:44 Zeno` was kicked by rubenwardy: Zeno`
14:44 Krock bai.
14:44 CWz fell asleep on his keyboard again
14:44 Shara heh
14:44 Fixer lol
14:44 Krock indeed
14:44 grey-001 so are we going to leave vurnable servers up?
14:44 Shara grey-001: You will remove MY servers
14:45 Fixer grey-001: shara fixed her servers
14:45 Shara I have given you confirmation right here that the mod is updated
14:45 grey-001 all right all right
14:45 Shara I'm not actually sure how you expect this to help anyway
14:45 Shara The attacker has already done the rounds.
14:45 celeron55 rubenwardy: looks factually correct to me, i think it can be posted
14:46 grey-001 so just let them be?
14:46 Shara The list also misses servers that I know are effected
14:46 NathanS21 Even if a server is removed from the list the hacker can still connect via the IP, so assuming they have connected to the server before, it will be in their favorites list
14:46 Shara I'm still trying to reach the admins on them.
14:47 * NathanS21 doesn't understand how this really accomplishes anything.
14:47 Fixer rubenwardy: i think you are missing the steps, what admins should check and do
14:47 CWz LazyJ is not around right now
14:47 Shara LazyJ is aware though
14:47 celeron55 if someone shuts down vulnerable servers without the server owner's permission, they are doing it on their own decision and own risk
14:47 rubenwardy exactly
14:48 celeron55 i'd imagine someone might do it to their favourite server or something, but you take the backlash your self if the server op is mad
14:48 celeron55 yourself*
14:48 Shara Communicating this to people as quickly as possible is the best approach
14:49 Shara Making lists that don't have the facts right certainly won't help
14:49 Krock oops.
14:50 grey-001 Shara, afaik it was only a list of servers that could be vurnable
14:50 Shara Doesn't matter.
14:50 Shara You do not attempt exploits against my server without specifically asking me first
14:50 Shara If you do, in my opinion you are another attacker to be treated exactly like the one currently doing the rounds.
14:50 grey-001 Krock, you should try and contact the server owners first
14:51 Shara Offer to test for people who want confirmation the update has worked - that's good to do
14:51 Shara But don't just go ahead
14:51 Krock there are not many servers left, thus I think I'll stop at this point
14:51 grey-001 alright your choice
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14:52 Krock used code for injection: https://pastebin.com/TMNyiUp9
14:52 celeron55 Shara: i don't think that's fair; the exploit can be easily tested without any kind of damage
14:52 davisonio you've got to remember people might be using corner note's version which does not have the lua execution
14:52 rubywarden !title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=6&amp;t=17601&amp;p=269578#p269578
14:52 ShadowBot rubywarden: Serious vulnerabilty in WorldEdit: Server ops need to update - Minetest Forums
14:52 * grey-001 just wrote the code to allow writing the exploit
14:52 Shara celeron55: I'm sorry, but I don't like people doing such things without my agreement.
14:52 rubenwardy celeron55, please may you move to news?
14:52 Fixer Shara: that was planned before you joined
14:52 rubenwardy or where ever is more appropriate
14:52 grey-001 s/exploit/pen test?
14:53 Shara Fixer: Doesn't look like it was planned, unless I missed something
14:53 Fixer Shara: it was
14:53 grey-001 Krock, that code is pretty useless for anyone without the c++ diff
14:53 grey-001 celeron55> i think it would be a pretty good idea to shutdown and disable the vulnerable servers
14:54 Fixer Shara: to shutdown affected servers via exploit and add "update worldedit" into it
14:54 Krock grey-001, no it isn't. they may open the same prompt using the inventory button
14:54 grey-001 oh good point
14:54 Shara Fixer: That doesn't say 'with permission'
14:54 Fixer Shara: yes
14:54 Shara If you are managing to communicate with the server owner to get permission, the test is pointless since they can just update
14:55 Krock better to shut down the server and leave a message IMO
14:55 Krock in order to prevent further damage
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14:55 grey-001 some servers got baddly greifed from what I hear
14:55 celeron55 rubenwardy: moved to new
14:55 celeron55 +s
14:56 Shara Krock: if someone is truely absent, maybe, but I don't like finding my servers on the list when I'm here
14:56 rubenwardy celeron55, thanks
14:56 Fixer Shara: this list was compiled before you joined
14:56 Shara Fixer: I've been in the channel all day
14:56 Fixer Shara: 2hr30min ago or so
14:57 Shara I was here.
14:57 Krock there's currently no way to see if a server is attackable over the server list, thus it's only possible to filter out those with worldedit_gui enabled
14:57 Krock thus, there may be servers on it that are already safe
14:57 Shara There weren't many on the list that I was shown
14:58 Shara and it had at least four I am quite sure are up to date
14:58 Krock about 30
14:58 Shara and misses a few that I know are not
14:59 rubenwardy celeron55: Krock and I don't have developer labels on the forum, btw
15:00 Krock there seems to be a version where WE reports a successful execution but doesn't seem to do anything
15:01 Krock well, the color on the forums isn't too important for me :)
15:02 celeron55 rubenwardy: ok, fixed
15:03 rubenwardy Krock: I actually run a custom CSS on Minetest, to make the tags not green
15:03 CWz I change Krocks username to Pink then
15:03 Krock CWz, thanks a lot.
15:03 Krock </sarcasm>
15:04 rubenwardy celeron55, thank
15:04 CWz i don't think he owns that hosting service
15:08 Calinou hi
15:09 Calinou just bought Dirt Rally :p
15:09 Calinou 25.7 GB to download
15:09 tenplus1 any good ?
15:09 Calinou the download just started :P
15:09 tenplus1 ehehehe
15:09 tenplus1 steam ?
15:09 Calinou need to see if I can use an USB extender with my gamepad
15:09 rubenwardy anyone have any experience in auditing a server to check if it's been compromised?
15:09 Calinou since Bluetooth is not working yet
15:09 Calinou yes, on Steam
15:09 rubenwardy for  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=6&amp;t=17601&amp;p=269578#p269578
15:09 Calinou it has native Linux support, no WINE needed
15:09 rubenwardy if so, post there
15:09 Calinou Project CARS said they're porting to Linux but it's still not released, by the looks of it, and WINE didn't work for me
15:09 tenplus1 I ran playonlinux and setup wine 2.7 to install "Alice: madness returns"... amazing!
15:10 tenplus1 playonlinux gives you the option of wine 2.01 up to dev 2.7... many tweaks to get thigns working
15:11 Calinou btw Manjaro landed a big update, I have 364 pending updates all of a sudden
15:11 tenplus1 ooh
15:11 VanessaE CWz: have you already patched the servers you run on my box?
15:11 Calinou https://manjaro.org/2017/05/12/stable-update-2​017-05-12-kernels-kde-kde-apps-gnome-browsers/
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15:12 tenplus1 wb Zeno`
15:12 Zeno` what's this talk about disabling servers?
15:13 Zeno` thanks tenplus1
15:14 Zeno` whoever is suggesting disabling servers based on something celeron55 may or may not have said is out of line I think
15:14 rubenwardy yeah, it's definitely illegal
15:17 VanessaE there, I think everything running on daconcepts.com has either had the offending disabled, or it's been patched. I hope.
15:17 VanessaE (either way, the patched version has been pushed to my server's mod archive for those who pull from it)
15:21 Fixer Calinou: and what is manjaro? arch smth?
15:21 Krock Fixer, as always, the only best Linux :P
15:23 Zeno` It's wrong. And I would be surprised if celeron55 agrees with it
15:23 Zeno` and, yes, I am not using [off]
15:24 red-005 be surprised http://irc.minetest.net/minet​est-hub/2017-05-14#i_4921126
15:24 Zeno` I think he may have been misunderstood
15:24 Zeno` (I hope)
15:25 red-005 that doesn't really seem like a misunderstanding
15:25 rubenwardy It's the sort of thing that sounds on the surface to be a good idea, but is actually rude and illegal
15:26 Shara Who gives support does not change whether it is legal either way.
15:26 Shara I stand by absolutely everything I said earlier on the topic.
15:26 Shara Planning to do things like this should not happen in this channel.
15:26 red-005 yeah giving people the means to do that wasn't a great idea on my part
15:27 Shara Because if it's left to go ahead, it makes it seem like it's with the agreement of the team and the channel ops
15:27 Zeno` well, as a dev I do NOT agree with it
15:29 Zeno` and celeron55 should clarify his position on what was suggested
15:30 celeron55 wait what
15:30 celeron55 just use /lastlog celeron55
15:30 red-005 celeron55, krock went ahead with disabling the servers
15:31 Fixer there is no suggestion from celeron55 to do it illegally or in other disruptive way :trollface:
15:31 celeron55 that's something he did then
15:31 red-005 I would like to make it clear in case it wasn't that I only wrote a small part of the code that allowed this
15:38 tenplus1 who invited Australia tot he Eurovision ?
15:38 tenplus1 *to the
15:38 tenplus1 http://lolsnaps.com/funny/190401/invite-austral​ia-to-eurovision-and-it-all-goes-down-from-the
15:38 Zeno` the Commonwealth :)
15:38 Zeno` so :P~~~~~~~~~
15:38 Zeno` we are European!
15:39 tenplus1 lol
15:39 Zeno` God Save the Queen!
15:39 tenplus1 *shudder*
15:39 Fixer zeno confirmed
15:45 Zeno` tenplus1, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A22oy8dFjqc
15:45 Zeno` see?
15:45 Zeno` all good
15:47 Shara Anyway...
15:47 Shara Krock: you said the PR looks good, any chance of approving it then?
15:48 Krock Shara, grabbing patch and testing now
15:48 Shara Thank you
15:48 Krock np. thanks for reminding. totally forgot about this
15:48 Shara :)
15:48 * Shara pokes Zeno` too
15:48 Zeno` me?
15:49 Zeno` I can't remember how to compile
15:49 Shara >.>
15:49 Shara Also Tiny Creative just confirmed they updated WE
15:49 VanessaE my bullshit detector just broke :P
15:49 Shara That's one of the ones I've been chasing
15:49 Zeno` lol VE
15:50 Krock by BS detector keeps returning 10.0 for some reason
15:50 VanessaE all five of mine, plus trepca and mtz have had worldedit_gui removed entirely
15:50 Zeno` not mtz!
15:50 VanessaE I don't know the status of CWz's server instances
15:50 Zeno` wait. What's mtz?
15:50 VanessaE very funny :P
15:51 Zeno` I think I have a house there
15:51 Zeno` maybe 8
15:51 VanessaE ginger's server instances are all down for some reason (she maintains them poorly) but if and when they come back up, they'll be safe also
15:52 Zeno` I hope my collection of 2000000000000000 cobble are safe
15:52 red-005 lol
15:52 VanessaE should be :P
15:52 Krock xD
15:52 Fixer Zeno`: nobody cares about your cobble, unless it is compressed (tm) cobble (r)
15:52 red-005 thats atleast 30517578125 stacks
15:53 red-005 if the stacks are the max size supported by the engine
15:53 tenplus1 coffee time :D
15:53 Krock isn't stack max 65535? -> 30518043794 stacks
15:54 red-005 off by one error?
15:54 Zeno` I have a useless piece of trivia
15:55 Fixer compressed blocks are usefuk
15:55 Fixer l
15:55 Krock red-005, in this case it's a handful of chest stacks you'd need for this cobble
15:55 Fixer i have 2 _chests_ of dirt on hometown
15:55 Zeno` Krock was the 2nd person I banned from MTZ because I thought he was a hacker
15:55 Zeno` LOL
15:55 Krock Zeno`, did I get banned from there? *tries to remember*
15:55 Zeno` then I realised who he was and unbanned him but he never returned
15:55 Zeno` yeah you did :P
15:55 Krock lol
15:56 Krock haven't been on playing on MT servers for a while, sadly
15:56 Zeno` it's quite funny in hindsight
15:56 Zeno` Krock, you got angry because you joining was announced on inchra
15:57 Krock yeah, and my ingame messages triggered the IRC client :3
15:57 Zeno` so I was like "must be a hacker!"
15:57 Zeno` LOL
15:58 Fixer lol
15:58 Krock seems legit
15:58 Zeno` yup
15:58 Zeno` :D
15:59 Krock Shara, found one little thing https://github.com/minetest/mine​test/pull/5758/files#r116384245
16:00 Krock otherwise +1
16:00 Krock works as expected
16:00 tenplus1 :P
16:01 Shara I had actually thought it was halo, since for some reason my clients always seem to get stuck on that
16:01 Shara the default that is
16:01 Shara but hmm
16:03 Krock oh nvm
16:03 Krock testing with HEAD
16:03 Zeno` it doesn't matter all that much because it's set by default settings
16:04 Zeno` so if a person make a mistake with .conf, *shrug*
16:04 Zeno` but I do agree
16:04 Shara the else condition for NONE should never be hit unless you select it
16:04 Shara but I don't mind changing if you want it changed
16:04 Krock any rubbish input results in a wrecked halo version
16:04 Zeno` Shara, the issue is if someone uses "blah"
16:05 Krock but I'd like having having it default to box:    # node_highlighting = box
16:05 Krock from minetest.conf.example, and the default settings
16:05 Shara Krock: wrecked halo? If you mean what I think, I was able to produce that but only when messing about with earlier versions. Values liek BLAH on here gave me NONE when testing
16:06 tenplus1 when that one gets in I'm gonna disable box/halo completely and use crosshairs :D
16:06 Krock because right now, without the patch it looks quite strange
16:06 Zeno` as a fallback then perhaps box is better
16:06 Zeno` When I reviewed yesterday I didn't think of that and for that I apologise
16:06 Shara so just flip order of checks so the else is the box?
16:06 Zeno` yep
16:07 Krock http://i.imgur.com/MssEFRu.png
16:07 Zeno` } else if (mode_setting == "none") {
16:07 Zeno` +m_mode = HIGHLIGHT_NONE; else {
16:07 Shara Yea, I had that on earlier versions of the code when I was playing around, but I couldn't duplicate it with the current code
16:08 Zeno` when that is done I +1 also
16:08 Shara okay, will a bit later then
16:09 Shara Thank you both
16:12 Zeno` interesting
16:13 Zeno` just reading the code that shouldn't happen but I'll check more fully tomorrow
16:15 red-005 his manifesto
16:16 red-005 http://archive.is/qRdl5
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16:17 tenplus1 wb DS-minetest
16:17 red-005 what do you mean?
16:17 red-005 shivajiva, ?
16:17 DS-minetest thanks, tenplus1 :)
16:18 red-005 I have a copy of the pdf
16:18 VanessaE ok
16:19 shivajiva afk
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16:21 tenplus1 hi kaeza
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16:27 octacian OldCoder's stuff again?
16:28 Krock offtopic repost: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6​afs4z/on_todays_new_york_times_crossword/
16:30 kaeza greetings, tenplus1
16:32 Krock just 390 MiB here
16:32 Krock oops
16:33 red-005 it costs a bit
16:33 red-005 I suppose thats why
16:33 red-005 one way to put it
16:33 red-005 we are still not registered with freenode
16:34 VanessaE why not?
16:34 Shara Because freendoe suck at answering emails.
16:34 red-005 oh
16:34 Zeno` Fixer, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDEh2VjhUzo
16:34 VanessaE can't it be done through #freenode admins?
16:34 * Zeno` dances
16:34 Shara Don't know. celeron55 was the one trying, not me.
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16:37 Krock hello Raven262
16:37 Zeno` I want voice!
16:37 Raven262 Hello Krock
16:37 davisonio welcome Raven
16:37 Zeno` oh wait...nvm
16:37 Raven262 Thx davisonio
16:37 Krock Zeno`, you've already got enough voice!!
16:37 Zeno` yeah I forgot
16:38 Krock but you could de-voice yourself and request it to satisfy your request
16:38 Zeno` need +o to do -v
16:38 Krock moment. devoicing isn't possible here
16:38 Krock yes, +o required
16:39 Raven262 Damn, he did a bad thing.
16:39 davisonio yes, kill it with fire
16:39 Raven262 Indeed.
16:40 davisonio ^
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16:45 Krock Zeno`, Access violation. Address: 0x41E1D7A0B80A2BAE  Stack backtrace: char *getTopic(int)
16:45 Zeno` Krock, Guru Meditation
16:46 Zeno` maybe someone will get the reference lol
16:46 Fixer i get
16:46 tenplus1 http://www.bullzip.com/products/gum/​guru-meditation-commodore-amiga.gif
16:46 Shara same
16:46 Krock sorry, didn't get it :(
16:47 Fixer have not used amiga though, was playing on za
16:47 Zeno` Krock sucks
16:47 Fixer on zx*
16:47 Krock :^(
16:47 Fixer Krockwork Orange
16:47 Zeno` HL2 orange pack
16:48 Zeno` I'm still waiting for HL episode 3
16:48 Fixer I want to believe
16:48 Raven262 Hl3 would be good enough.
16:48 Raven262 :D
16:48 Raven262 No need for the third episode
16:48 Fixer Minetest will have mobs before HL3 release
16:49 Raven262 A full game would be nice also.
16:49 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5762 hrm
16:50 Zeno` I just want duke nukem forever!
16:50 Zeno` err wait. Nevermind
16:50 Raven262 I just want another doom game!
16:50 Raven262 Wait
16:50 Raven262 there is one already
16:50 Zeno` lol
16:50 Raven262 *Two
16:51 octacian What's HL3?
16:51 Raven262 Well, we better not tell you.
16:51 octacian ..why not? :P
16:51 Fixer octacian: you was born after it anyway
16:51 shivajiva HalfLife
16:51 Zeno` HL3 is like duke nukem but different
16:51 octacian Fixer: lol, OK :rotfl:
16:52 Fixer HL released in 1999, HL2 in 2004 iirc, some episodes later, still waiting for HL3 (played all of them)
16:52 Raven262 Seriously, episode 2 was like made to be unfinished.
16:52 octacian huh, I see.
16:52 Fixer i still have pirated disc with HL
16:52 Raven262 The story ends at the exact moment when it gets the best.
16:53 Raven262 They did it on purpose.
16:53 Fixer disc contains HL/CS/Opera/BlueShift
16:53 Zeno` I somehow ended up with CS for free
16:54 Fixer disc also features some ads on cover, AMD K7 Duron 600Mhz
16:54 Zeno` it just appeared on my steam one day
16:54 Fixer google when that was released
16:54 Fixer around year 2000
16:54 Zeno` err not that I admit to using Windows
16:54 Zeno` *ahem*
16:55 Fixer that disc is like 17 years old, still works, game still runs on Windows 7
16:55 Raven262 Windows eh? xD
16:55 Raven262 Well, i play games from '95 still
16:55 Fixer unlimited dialup ad
16:55 Fixer price: half of your wage
16:55 Fixer ._.
16:55 Zeno` Twinsen games are good as well (and still work)
16:55 Zeno` (again, not admitting to using Windows)
16:56 Fixer Civilisation still works iirc
16:56 Raven262 Doom engine games are awesome.
16:56 Fixer i have it
16:57 Zeno` I recently played Return to Zork (and didn't use Windows!)
16:57 Fixer Cyrix M2 300Mhz... interesting
16:57 Zeno` Raven262, the source code for them is awesome
16:57 Zeno` Raven262, so... elegant
16:58 Raven262 Did you see Doom3's source?
16:58 Zeno` yup
16:58 Raven262 They say it has good coed, bad gameplay.
16:58 Raven262 *code
16:58 Raven262 But
16:58 Raven262 Well, i like playing it too.
16:59 Zeno` the code is awesome. But I liked playing the game as well (apart from the darkness)
16:59 Raven262 The engine was made to be dark.
17:00 Zeno` gotta love that they released the code
17:00 Fixer it is amusing to see CD+R is quite good as storage, i distrust flash drives for backups, can die any moment
17:00 Zeno` that's seriously cool
17:00 Fixer very hard to find proper DVR+R these days
17:00 Fixer for archival
17:01 Zeno` I'mo not against companies making money. That they released the code after the game was basically dead is pretty darn nice
17:01 Zeno` id did it with all their games AFIAK
17:01 Raven262 Yes.
17:02 Raven262 But did the companies working for id do it?
17:02 Fixer 4 fps on gdb mt right now
17:03 Fixer Zeno`: yeah, and some companies even release assets for free
17:03 Fixer like red alert
17:03 Fixer C&C
17:03 Raven262 Too bad they didn't release tib wars assets :P
17:03 Raven262 I think.
17:03 Fixer not open source, but much better, openra hosts those files in their repo iirc, so you download it and ready to play
17:04 Fixer they do
17:04 Fixer what  a sec
17:04 Fixer wait*
17:04 Fixer " EA has made sequel Tiberian Sun available as a 100%-free download."
17:04 Zeno` I can't recall or find where I read it but I remember from about 1997 Carmack giving away his sports cars as well
17:05 Zeno` (i.e. ferraris and lamborginis)
17:05 Zeno` to deathmatch players IIRC
17:05 Raven262 Ik that tib sun is free
17:05 tenplus1 updated: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5762
17:06 Fixer Raven262: assets also free ;)
17:06 Fixer not open source, but free
17:06 Raven262 Yep
17:06 Fixer entire game for download, I even have it archived somewhere
17:06 Raven262 But well third tib wars was the best, best graphics.
17:06 Raven262 I mean, i never really liked tib sun.
17:07 Fixer red alert was massive hit
17:07 Fixer even my friend played it
17:07 Raven262 I have one friend who is, to say, a hardcore fan of all of the cnc games.
17:08 Raven262 He played them all, finished them all on highest difficulty and he does it again from time to time.
17:08 Raven262 I don't know how he does it, but he does.
17:11 Fixer fancy lighting! https://i.imgur.com/62k6wOM.png
17:12 Raven262 :o
17:12 tenplus1 nice
17:14 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/KbKo7Zm.jpg my base at night, not finished
17:15 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/ZhXAM7W.png
17:15 Raven262 one of my houses: http://i.imgur.com/jW2rKXP.png
17:16 Calinou Zeno`, Raven262: RBDOOM-3-BFG has r_forceAmbient to make the whole game brighter
17:16 Calinou (does not change hardware gamma, so it plays well with open source drivers and multi-monitor setups)
17:16 Raven262 But who said i didn't like it dark? xD
17:16 Calinou also, I wish id had released the game data for free too (possibly even public domain under eg. CC0), and made it legal to redistribute as-is (so no "downloaders" are required)
17:17 Calinou they're not selling thousands of copies a day of old games anymore
17:17 Calinou if only copyright lasted shorter…
17:17 Raven262 I wish they did that with doom2 and heretic and hexen.
17:17 Calinou fun fact: Doom and Doom 2 were open sourced (in full) in 1999
17:17 Calinou Heretic/Hexen in… 2008
17:17 Calinou the FSF held a campaign on their site back then, even
17:18 Raven262 I still play hexen, right now :P
17:18 Calinou also, GZDoom is GPLv3 since last month (3.0.0)
17:18 Calinou so go grab it :D
17:18 Calinou the era of crippled GPL ports is over
17:18 Calinou (surprisingly, it's GPLv3 and not GPLv2)
17:18 Raven262 The graphics in hexen and heretic are of an awesome quality, actually.
17:19 Raven262 They would make such a nice minetest texture pack...
17:24 VanessaE just use HDX :)
17:25 Raven262 Yeah, your texture pack is nice, but without antialising it gets... idk how to describe it xD
17:25 * Raven262 is away
17:25 Krock crispy, strange, chunky
17:26 Krock choose the best fitting word
17:26 Calinou enable mipmaps, always
17:26 Calinou even for 16× packs
17:26 Calinou Minecraft does that by default now
17:27 Calinou it's weird that Minecraft waited until 2014 or so to have these in the default game
17:27 Calinou mipmaps have been a thing since GLQuake in 1997
17:27 Calinou apparently, they were 2hip4mipmaps
17:32 CWz anything happened while i was gone?
17:36 tenplus1 wb CWz...  not been in channel much, but I fixed https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5762
17:48 * benrob0329 pops in
17:49 tenplus1 hi benrob
17:49 benrob0329 Hi tenplus1
17:50 benrob0329 I think I'm almost ready to start making videos again
17:51 benrob0329 Gotta get an automounting daemon running (probably udevil)
17:51 tenplus1 automounting ?
17:51 benrob0329 And copy all my files off the house nas
17:51 tenplus1 for what ?
17:51 tenplus1 oh
17:51 benrob0329 Usb sricks
17:51 benrob0329 *sticks
17:51 benrob0329 The nas part can be mounted manually
17:52 benrob0329 I should also probably convert my fstab to UUIDs
17:58 Thomas-S Could any of the minetest-mods admins / moreores owners please consider merging https://github.com/minetest-mods/moreores/pull/18 ? Thanks in advance!
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18:07 Fixer Raven262: nice build
18:07 Fixer was away
18:07 tenplus1 wb fixer
18:07 Fixer Calinou: I use mipmaps only with AF
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18:08 tenplus1 hi sfan
18:08 Fixer Calinou: also, in Minecraft Modded on popular big modpacks I have problems with VRAM, disabling mipmaps reduces memory usage to <1GB levels
18:08 benrob0329 Wb Fixer, Thomas-S, celeron55_, and sfan5
18:08 Calinou mipmaps should not be a VRAM issue
18:08 Fixer Calinou: with mipmaps it can be like 5 fps, without - 90 fps
18:08 Calinou anisotropic usage will make VRAM usage go way up though
18:08 Calinou mipmaps require 33% more VRAM
18:08 Fixer Calinou: yes
18:09 Fixer Calinou: without mipmaps vram usage in modded mc was around 700-800mb
18:09 Fixer and I have 1gb vram
18:09 benrob0329 Simple answer: Plat MineTEST modded :P
18:09 Fixer MC modded is insanely heavy on memory
18:09 tenplus1 sounds like mipmaps affect speeds far too much
18:09 Calinou 8 GB of VRAM here :p
18:10 Fixer if modpack for 1.10.2 expect 2-4GB easily, more like 4GB
18:10 Fixer Calinou: fancy
18:10 Fixer and minetest uses like 200mb of vram :trollface:
18:10 benrob0329 Calinou: 1060?
18:10 Fixer more or less like vanilla MC
18:10 Fixer vanilla MC seems much faster in game though
18:10 Fixer also
18:10 Fixer MC Windows 10 is insanely fast on big vranges it seems
18:10 Fixer like vrange 500
18:11 benrob0329 Vrange?
18:11 Fixer they use chunks
18:11 Fixer chunk = 16 nodes
18:11 Calinou benrob0329: 1080 :)
18:11 Calinou (not Ti, but still)
18:11 tenplus1 would it speed things up if after a certain range it doesnt draw textures on nodes but instead just displays a base colour ?
18:12 Calinou this is my PC, https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/dgxfd6
18:12 benrob0329 980ti here :-)
18:12 Fixer tenplus1: I've posted a video somewhere with insane range in MC, and playable fps
18:12 tenplus1 nice spec cal
18:13 Fixer vrange 1024 on MC w10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGAQnT4ZmGA
18:14 benrob0329 It says something about MT when I generally keep vrange at 100 whilst recording
18:14 benrob0329 Just to keep fps at 60
18:14 Krock Fixer, and 1080p... whoa
18:14 tenplus1 wow, how can vrange go so high and still display smooth ?
18:14 Krock using badass hardware, yes
18:14 benrob0329 Good shaders
18:14 Fixer no idea
18:15 benrob0329 Shaders != fancy looking
18:15 Fixer his hardware was on par with calinous i think
18:15 Fixer probably sli
18:15 Fixer still
18:15 tenplus1 no way I'd get that with my nvidia Ion v.2
18:15 Fixer achieve this in MT... you will have 1 fps
18:15 benrob0329 Shaders == gpu programming
18:15 Krock didn't know that MC has its clouds so deep
18:17 Calinou there is a GTX 1080 for sale in France today, €474
18:17 benrob0329 1st problem with mt + high view range
18:17 Calinou I bought mine €700 one year ago… :P
18:17 benrob0329 It doesn't load all visible chunks
18:17 Calinou this is the most I've ever spent on a GPU
18:17 Calinou and also on a PC
18:17 benrob0329 Which means it looks ugly if you don't run around loading the map in for a bit
18:19 benrob0329 which means that even if I crank up my view range, its useless since the map wont load
18:20 * Raven262 is back
18:20 tenplus1 wb
18:20 Raven262 thx
18:21 tenplus1 mc in it's own way can load map data a lot faster so for drop maps it's good...  I kinda wish that mt would improve for that sorta thing as well :)
18:22 Raven262 I there was only greater viewing range in minetest without rendering lag...
18:22 Raven262 And faster chunk loading speed
18:22 tenplus1 :)
18:23 Fixer benrob0329: you can increase map load range
18:23 Fixer benrob0329: in settings, but not if you are on server
18:23 Raven262 I'm wondering is there a way to load only the nodes that are visible to the client, rather than loading the whole block?
18:24 Fixer occlusion culling currently works on per 16x16x16 basis
18:26 benrob0329 (Kek) https://youtu.be/2A7vAbq_uIY
18:31 Krock topkek
18:31 benrob0329 Kek = kek/0
18:35 red-005 can the logger to set to ignore all lines with kek?
18:36 tenplus1 :P
18:37 Fixer time to work on fireplace
18:37 Fixer found a proper place for it
18:37 Fixer stone or red brick
18:39 Fixer hmhmmhmh
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18:39 tenplus1 hi Megaf
18:41 Megaf greetings
18:41 * Megaf looks around
18:42 CWz i wonder megaf knows about worldedit gui
18:42 red-005 it's pretty hard not to know at this stage
18:42 Fixer jumping place for 2 node deep water pull(poll)(whatever): https://i.imgur.com/ywvRfaA.png
18:42 Megaf I didnt use it too much, usually just go straight to commands
18:42 Fixer extreme living
18:43 Megaf Fixer: water pool
18:43 Fixer water pool
18:43 Megaf I meaing
18:43 Megaf mean
18:43 red-005 I mean a good few servers got hacked
18:43 Fixer right
18:43 Megaf swimming pool
18:43 Raven262 Well, that is one way to kill yourself :P
18:43 Megaf red-005: MT servers hacked?
18:43 red-005 yes
18:43 Megaf what OS are they running?
18:43 Krock with the fog it looks amazing
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18:43 red-005 remoute code execution in worldedit_gui
18:43 red-005 remoute*
18:44 Megaf oh
18:44 VanessaE Megaf: https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=17601
18:44 Fixer Raven262: it does look funny, 2x higher than the damn house
18:44 Raven262 xD
18:45 Sokomine red-005: hacked?
18:45 Megaf even if user doesnt have interact priv?
18:45 Sokomine oh
18:46 VanessaE correct.
18:46 red-005 Sokomine, someone got filesystem access on one server
18:46 red-005 thats why we need mod security
18:47 Megaf well, worldedit gui is disabled on my server
18:47 tenplus1 silly question but WHY does worldedit have a //lua command at all ?
18:47 Megaf because I knew it was not safe
18:47 red-005 seems that all the did was wipe the logs but idk
18:47 VanessaE on mine, mod security is enabled, so the worst they were able to do is change the server's name and description in the master list, and fuck around with giving/taking privs (mine included).
18:47 Megaf since, ever
18:47 red-005 wait you knew about the exploit??
18:47 Sokomine red-005: urgs :-(( that's bad
18:47 Fixer nah
18:47 Megaf nope, just had a feeling it was not a good idea enabling it
18:48 Megaf never had it,
18:48 Sokomine red-005: how about mod security? didn't that jump in?
18:48 red-005 Sokomine, can't stop mods from doing dumb things like running lua code supplied by the client
18:49 red-005 it stopped the attack from escaping the minetest sandbox
18:49 Sokomine at least that's something
18:49 Megaf thats why you run minetest server in sandbox
18:49 * Megaf does
18:49 Fixer red-005: he means that worldedit GUI button with access to it was triggering him
18:50 red-005 I don't think there are many servers that are exploitable left online so thats good
18:50 Sokomine i still think that mod security is too restrictive in parts as it doesn't allow me to offer a way to load schematics from other mods and worlds. but in general it's a very good idea...
18:52 tenplus1 most mods use dofiles
18:52 Megaf we should have a way of ouditing our server
18:52 Megaf servers
18:52 * CWz summons his huge hippo boom gun
18:54 red-005 CWz, what sort of hat do they wear?
18:58 tenplus1 no mod running on a playable server on the public list should allow commands/mods that can affect or rewrite game files in other mods
19:01 CWz dis topic will last for dayz
19:02 VanessaE better this topic than a certain aging programmer with delusions of grandeur. :P
19:02 tenplus1 *hides*
19:02 * VanessaE pulls tenplus1 back out of hiding
19:02 tenplus1 o.O
19:02 Raven262 Lets just call him "The programmer".
19:03 Raven262 Sounds evil enough.
19:03 tenplus1 sounds like he's in The Matrix
19:03 Raven262 Yep
19:03 Raven262 The bad guy
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19:08 Megaf You stil talking about the "The Programmer" ?
19:09 Megaf Common, grow up and leave that in the past
19:09 Megaf go and do something useful, like patching your world edit gui
19:09 Megaf ;)
19:09 Raven262 lol
19:09 tenplus1 lol
19:12 * Megaf has important stuff to do,
19:12 Megaf better open youtube to kill some time
19:12 * tenplus1 has important snacks to nom
19:12 Raven262 damn thats some important stuff.
19:13 tenplus1 :P it's either that or worry about the pull I added...
19:15 tenplus1 and I dont know C++ very well :P
19:15 Raven262 I have to work on those tool textures for lott, and i'm getting out of ideas right now :P
19:16 tenplus1 how many tools you added already ?
19:16 Raven262 well, 4 sets
19:16 Raven262 each has 9 tools
19:16 Raven262 i didn't add them yet
19:16 tenplus1 ouch...
19:16 tenplus1 that's a lot of textures dude...
19:16 Raven262 wanna see my progress?
19:16 tenplus1 might just need to resort to changing colours next :))  and yeah, lemmie see :p
19:17 Raven262 http://imgur.com/3jDnllj
19:17 Raven262 stone + galvorn
19:17 Raven262 http://imgur.com/yFS7wic
19:17 Raven262 gold + silver
19:17 tenplus1 nice
19:18 tenplus1 lott game is pretty indepth :D
19:18 Raven262 :D
19:18 Raven262 I'm the official texturer, since few weeks ago xD
19:18 tenplus1 lol
19:18 Raven262 And i have started working on the textures right away
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19:19 tenplus1 hi Da
19:19 tenplus1 hi Darcidride
19:26 Fixer what do you think? https://i.imgur.com/Ca96o9z.png
19:26 Raven262 nice
19:27 tenplus1 +1
19:27 Darcidride Hi tenplus1 & everybody
19:27 Darcidride Fixer, nice
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19:28 Raven262 http://i.imgur.com/LQvGS9z.png
19:28 tenplus1 wb rubenwardy
19:28 tenplus1 :P
19:28 rubenwardy yo
19:29 rubenwardy oh, new person
19:29 rubenwardy hi Raven262
19:29 Raven262 Hello rubenwardy
19:30 Raven262 Your minetest modding book helped me a lot in modding, thanks rubenwardy.
19:30 rubenwardy you're very welcome :D
19:31 Raven262 The thing is that i didn't visit it once, or twice, but i have such a bad memory that every time i would want to write a mod i would have to check stuff out in the book xD
19:33 tenplus1 what performance hit would m_gamedef->ndef()->get(n) have in code ???
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19:36 red-005 can't you access ndef some other way?
19:36 red-005 I though enviroment had direct access to it
19:36 tenplus1 dunno how... like I said I'm not good with c++ :) this was a fix that stopped Travis failing change
19:38 tenplus1 if the ray-cast pull does a similar thing then I can just close my pull altogether
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19:42 benrob0329 Megaf: do you make youtube videos?
19:43 benrob0329 I noticed an MTer did something on FG, and am now.curious
19:43 Megaf i dont
19:43 Megaf i make mt servers
19:43 benrob0329 Heh, fair enough
19:45 Shara Hi Dargod, hi stormchaser3000 :)
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19:45 tenplus1 wb Shara
19:46 Shara Dargod is admin on a pretty busy server (Tiny Creative) so I invited him earlier :)
19:46 Dargod Hi Shara :)
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19:56 tenplus1 wb Fixer and kaeza
19:56 Fixer ty, shitty isp
19:57 kaeza ^ same :/
19:58 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/4x3UwrF.png
19:58 Fixer kokokoombo
19:59 tenplus1 lol
20:00 Raven262 How do they have coloured nicks?
20:00 Fixer CSM chat6
20:00 Raven262 ah
20:02 benrob0329 Hi stormchaser3000, Dargod
20:06 Hijiri I said earlier that outdated versions of WE GUI are safe from the exploit, that's not strictly true
20:06 Hijiri don't know if I should say any specifics though since most servers probably have an outdated version
20:06 Hijiri (by outdated I mean more outdated than the recent fixes, like January outdated?)
20:07 red-005 ?
20:08 Hijiri I said in chat before, before the exploit was fixed, that if WE-GUI was outdated enough there is a bug that prevents submitting lua code at all
20:08 Raven262 Why did i get muted?
20:08 Raven262 And how?
20:09 Hijiri I didn't see the mute
20:09 Shara Because I updated the access list
20:09 Raven262 Ah
20:09 rubenwardy you need to register and login
20:09 Shara Trying to add some of the new people. You don't seem to have registered your name though
20:09 Raven262 ah yes
20:10 Shara There, done with updates for now
20:10 kaeza kek
20:10 Shara Raven262: let me know if you do register it and so on, and will add you
20:11 Fixer Hijiri: vulnerab since 2013...
20:11 Fixer it seems
20:11 Fixer you should update, end of story
20:13 red-005 so how many servers got attacked?
20:14 Raven262 There, registered and stuff.
20:32 Jordach what WE exploit
20:33 rubenwardy Jordach, https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=17601
20:35 Jordach nice meme
20:35 Jordach who'd of thought that adding a unsandboxed Lua scripting engine ingame was a good idea
20:36 rubenwardy yeah, security should have been less of an after though
20:36 tenplus1 nite all
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21:01 Fixer 4 days of gdb-afking - no luck, time to actual play on gdb versino :S
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21:50 Sokomine Fixer: it's a conspiracy. debug builds tend to crash less often :-)
21:51 red-005 ^
22:16 Fixer YEEEEEEEEEEEEES
22:16 Fixer ORGASMIC
22:16 Fixer YEEEEEEEEEEEEES
22:16 Fixer YEEEEEEEEEEEEES
22:16 Fixer YEEEEEEEEEEEEES
22:16 Fixer segmentation fault
22:19 Fixer BACKTRACE
22:21 red-005 neat
22:21 Fixer red-005: possibly csm chat related btw
22:21 Fixer or just chat
22:25 red-005 post it
22:25 Fixer red-005: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5661
22:26 Fixer I'm so fucking happy
22:26 red-005 so what triggers this?
22:26 red-005 typing or incoming chat?
22:27 Fixer red-005: i was connected to server, exploring, then rested in my boat to walk away from PC, notice fan speed up, CRASH ^_______^
22:28 Fixer red-005: i suspect incoming chat
22:28 Fixer red-005: i had few crashes when I opened the chat or when chat was updated
22:28 Fixer red-005: and if you look the backtrace, it has chat mentioned
22:28 Fixer Thread 1 (Thread 476.0x15d0):
22:28 red-005 yeah looking at it now
22:29 red-005 the text looks strange it's not asci?
22:29 Fixer red-005: some people talk in other languages, including cyrillics/japan etc
22:29 Fixer red-005: some char causes crash?
22:30 Fixer red-005: i'm also using CSM-chat6 mod
22:30 red-005 just wondering if that might be the cause
22:30 red-005 hard to say
22:31 Fixer ooops, exposed my password >_>
22:31 red-005 lol
22:31 red-005 nice password
22:32 * red-005 approves of good passwords
22:32 red-005 funny thing if you didn't mention that I wouldn't have noticed
22:32 Fixer changed it
22:33 Fixer red-005: i've noticed my nickname %)
22:34 red-005 trying to output that string in an online c++ compiler caused it to crash
22:34 red-005 intersting
22:36 red-005 or not??
22:36 Fixer it is
22:37 Fixer devs will need to figure this out ._.
22:37 red-005 what happens if you say: 12330
22:37 red-005 N?
22:37 red-005 huh
22:37 red-005 a new line??
22:38 red-005 this is some werid input
22:38 red-005 why is the chatmessage not in the debug.txt log?
22:39 Fixer red-005: it is not saved in verbose log for some reason, also, that was other person talking
22:40 Fixer red-005: also, at the moment of crash, that faulty message is not shown in chat either from what I've seen
22:40 red-005 it would be useful to see if lua being bad at unicode or is this an issues with the chat backend
22:40 red-005 if it is lua*
22:41 Fixer smth wrong with this, right? [01:15:55] <\033(c@#CC0000)Laramee908\033(c@#ffffff)> 1233\002\060\015\116\363\140
22:41 red-005 ????
22:41 red-005 nothing is making sense
22:42 red-005 that \033 should be 0x1b or 27
22:44 Fixer red-005: using this csm mod: https://github.com/cheapie/chat6
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22:46 red-005 wtf copy and paste
22:49 red-005 Fixer, you missed the chance to make your password hunter2
22:49 Fixer red-005: to troll few guys? nah
22:50 Fixer red-005: i wonder what that message saying
22:50 Fixer this is unicode?
22:50 red-005 pretty sure the encoding got fu**e*  up
22:51 * red-005 goes off to try and calculate all the ways to censor that
22:53 Fixer < Laramee908> 12330
22:53 Fixer Nó`
22:53 Fixer kek
22:53 Fixer keeek
22:55 Fixer <Laramee908> 12330
22:55 Fixer Nó`
22:55 Fixer hmmm
22:56 Fixer yeah, some client with this unicode nonsence that crashes minetest :/
22:57 Fixer i'm trying to past this into chat, but it does accept this fancy stuff
22:57 Fixer hmmm
22:57 Fixer i wonder if can do that via lua :D
22:59 garywhite Has anyone heard of an exploited bug in the WE mod recently?
23:02 Fixer garywhite: was exploited in lots of place
23:02 Fixer s
23:03 Fixer red-005: trying to say it via lua mod with minetest.chat_send_all(L"[01:15:55] <\033(c@#CC0000)Laramee908\033(c@#ffffff)> 1233\002\060\015\116\363\140"), does not let me: https://i.imgur.com/T53DFiu.png
23:03 garywhite Well, apparently someone found an exploit & hacked a bunch of servers
23:03 Fixer garywhite: that was discussed today a lot, read irc
23:04 Fixer garywhite: fix available
23:09 garywhite It happened 3 days ago?
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23:10 garywhite how out of the loop am I?
23:10 Fixer nearly, yes
23:10 rubenwardy garywhite, https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=17601
23:11 rubenwardy !title
23:11 ShadowBot Serious security vulnerability in WorldEdit GUI - Minetest Forums
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23:29 Fixer red-005: new line or something causes crash?
23:30 Fixer some escape character
23:30 Fixer i go sleep anyway, good night
23:34 red-005 Fixer, is that a bug build?
23:35 Fixer red-005: nevermind, i had no idea what i was doing with chatting that nonsence via mod %)
23:35 red-005 debug*
23:35 Fixer red-005: backtrace was from debug build, yes
23:35 red-005 oh I though those also included line numbers
23:35 red-005 guess not
23:36 red-005 nvm
23:37 red-005 oh this issue reminds me of another one
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23:38 red-005 I think I know how to fix this
23:38 red-005 or at least work around it
23:38 rubenwardy Shara, what's the command to add a user to auto-voice? Google fails me
23:39 KaadmY /msg ChanServ mode #minetest-hub KaadmY +v?
23:39 KaadmY Or something like that I think
23:40 red-005 iirc it's flags
23:40 red-005 not mode
23:40 rubenwardy oh, apparently I don't even have access to the access list
23:41 red-005 https://github.com/red-001/​minetest/tree/chat_fix_test
23:41 red-005 ^ fixer
23:43 red-005 night all
23:43 rubenwardy o/
23:45 Fixer red-005: will try it

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