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00:21 benrob0329 !tell tenplus1 http://i.imgur.com/zLhdmjx.jpg
00:21 ShadowBot benrob0329: O.K.
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01:43 benrob0329 o/ kaeza
01:46 kaeza o/
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02:28 octacian Well, I've made a new personal record xD Third mod release in the past 2 days: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=9&t=17607&p=269860#p269860
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04:46 benrob0329 to everyone who says terminals arent awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoKj9QiFR0k
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05:21 LazyJ !tell paramat I read that you might be working on a way to add back some of the old sneak glitch. The sneak glitch worked well for the way things are done on my server and I would like to have its useful parts back, if possible. My thoughts are to add the parts as minetest.conf options: Enable sneak elevators = true/false, Sneak Elevator Speed = [0-100] (ridiculously fast worked for my server), Sneak Elevator No Fall Damange =
05:21 ShadowBot LazyJ: O.K.
05:21 LazyJ true/false, Safe Landing on Slabs = true/false, Jump from Sneak = true/false. Thanks. ;)
05:27 LazyJ !tell Fixer Thanks for contacting me through forum PM, IRC, and on my server about the WorldEdit exploit. That was the way the situation should have been handled.
05:27 ShadowBot LazyJ: O.K.
05:27 LazyJ These late nights are killing me. :/
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08:46 Shara Morning all
08:48 shivajiva Morning
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11:01 CWz Hey everybody
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12:44 Jordach VanessaE, my ginger kitty has some form of cancer
12:44 Jordach possibly for years un-noticed
12:44 VanessaE aw :(
12:44 Jordach he's been curled up on my lap at night
13:03 Calinou hi
13:03 Calinou truth has been told
13:03 Calinou https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmaster​race/comments/6bf46m/them_i_need_pho​toshop_before_switching_me_what_do/
13:03 Calinou Jordach: ^
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13:03 Calinou (for the end result, see 2nd image of album)
13:07 Fixer CYBERTELEGRAPH
13:26 Fixer Calinou: yeah, 95% does not need photoshop and it is enough to use some open/free alternative
13:27 Calinou b-b-but I need it for shitposting memes!
13:27 Fixer you can literally shitpost via paint.exe from Windows 95
13:27 Calinou b-b-but I want to print my memes so I need CMYK support!
13:28 Fixer paint.exe was my one of the first programs I've seen on W95
13:28 Calinou and my memes ought to be HDR so I need high-precision color depth!
13:28 Fixer some paint memes are brilliant
13:28 Fixer i must say
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13:33 Jordach except photoshop doesn't fucking have brush delay when using the brush
13:33 Jordach (in fast strokes)
13:34 Jordach GIMP in my experience has been slow as fuck even on Windows
13:34 Jordach even selection by colour took an age
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13:39 Raven262 GIMP slow?
13:39 Raven262 What kind of taster is your pc?
13:39 Raven262 xD
13:39 Raven262 *toaster
13:39 Raven262 damn
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13:40 Raven262 well, i guess it depends on the size of the graphic you are editing.
13:45 Calinou yeah, there is significant brush delay with large brushes in GIMP
13:45 Calinou but GIMP is not an advanced drawing tool anyway
13:45 Calinou give Krita a try
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13:47 Raven262 I can confirm the apparent lag on the large brushes, also it lags when using bucket fill on large areas.
13:48 Raven262 But I haven't noticed selection lag, never.
13:48 Raven262 And i have worked with GIMP for some 2.5 years now, mostly small images though.
13:48 Fixer not fast enough PC, Xeon + 32GB + GF Titan is recommended
13:49 Raven262 lol
13:49 Calinou Fixer: consumer Skylake/Kaby Lake boards allow for 64 GB of RAM now
13:49 Calinou and prosumer 128 GB I think
13:51 Fixer prosumer feels like scummy word
13:52 Fixer like shit for rich assholes
14:09 Calinou yep
14:09 Calinou that's basically it
14:09 Calinou "consumer who wants to feel pro"
14:11 Fixer Calinou: we will not call him professional, he is just wannaby asshole consumer
14:12 Calinou amateursumer
14:13 Fixer a dot-com era business term meaning "production by consumers"
14:13 Fixer wtf
14:14 Fixer * semiprofessional
14:14 Fixer anarchism on same page
14:14 Fixer ok
14:15 benrob0329 Fixer: I haven't noticed, but maybe that's cause I'm not on a potato :-)
14:16 Fixer potato power
14:17 Calinou hi benrob0329 :)
14:17 Fixer are there per world settings? i see i need to enable_tnt in minetest.conf... but what if I have multiple games/worlds?
14:18 Calinou not sure if there's per-world settings exposable to mods
14:18 Calinou world.mt seems to be reserved to core use
14:19 Calinou same for map_meta.txt
14:19 benrob0329 Hi Calinou
14:20 benrob0329 A friend of mine said gimp sucks recently
14:20 benrob0329 So I just dumped about 5 really good pictures in discord that were supposedly made in gimp
14:22 benrob0329 And if you really hate the interface of gimp, use krita.
14:22 Calinou benrob0329: did you see the reddit thread I posted? ;)
14:22 Calinou this is exactly 90% of GIMP haters
14:23 benrob0329 Yes, exactly
14:23 benrob0329 He says gimp sucks
14:23 Calinou some things are confusing to do in GIMP, like drawing shapes (but you get used to it)
14:23 Calinou it's also GTK+2-based so it doesn't have real hiDPI support, native file managers…
14:23 Calinou Krita fixes both, by using Qt 5
14:24 Calinou but unfortunately, Krita is mostly for drawing
14:24 benrob0329 But then proceeds to slap some text on a MC screenshot and call it a day
14:24 Calinou I wish it was capable of doing some photo manipulation :(
14:24 Calinou this way we'd have an unified tool for everything
14:24 benrob0329 can't even put a drop shadow on it because this online editor is so bad
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14:25 benrob0329 yeah, krita is nice though
14:25 benrob0329 Did a bit of pixel art animation in it
14:25 benrob0329 But I'm much too used to gimp for much else
14:26 benrob0329 I can just work faster when using gimps supposedly "clunky" interface
14:28 Calinou GIMP 2.10 isn't happening soon though, and GIMP 3 is uncertain
14:28 Calinou (GTK+ 3's Windows/macOS support is still half-assed today, and was non-existent until 2013)
14:28 Calinou [libgnome intensifies]
14:29 benrob0329 Imgui ftw
14:29 Calinou imgui does not make native GUIs
14:29 Calinou and is not suited to anything else than debug GUIs in games or other realtime applications
14:29 Calinou for proper game GUIs, use whatever your engine offers, or Nuklear
14:29 benrob0329 heh
14:30 benrob0329 Hold on, I have examples
14:30 Calinou https://github.com/vurtun/nuklear
14:30 benrob0329 >C code
14:30 Calinou imgui is great to make a GUI that exposes information for developers, modders, etc
14:30 Calinou but don't use it to make GUIs that can be seen by end users
14:31 Calinou very few game GUIs are modeled like this for example: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wiki/oco​rnut/imgui/web/v143/skinning_sample_02.png
14:31 Calinou and this seems to be what imgui primarily offers
14:31 benrob0329 https://github.com/ocornut/imgui/issues/973
14:31 benrob0329 Second screenshot down
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14:32 benrob0329 Yes, its mostly debug guis and POCs
14:32 Calinou exactly
14:33 Calinou things like Overwatch would never use that :)
14:33 benrob0329 But with some theming it can be a very nice UI for many tasks
14:33 Calinou (there is no concept of animations or transitions in imgui, it seems, by the way)
14:33 benrob0329 Its not made for that
14:33 Calinou although Godot doesn't offer that either
14:33 benrob0329 CeGui is made for that
14:33 benrob0329 And you know how complicated that is
14:34 Calinou I think Nuklear is the go-to library for custom engines now
14:34 Calinou but if you use Godot, you won't need a GUI library since such a thing is already included, and works (quite) well
14:35 benrob0329 Nuklear is C, C in C++ is not preffered
14:35 Calinou using C libraries in C++ is not a problem at all
14:35 Calinou we do that with Godot all the time
14:35 Calinou and other engines too
14:35 Calinou …SDL is C, not C++
14:35 benrob0329 but its not as nice
14:35 Calinou and guess what uses SDL? games made with C++!
14:36 Calinou C is far more interoperable than C++
14:36 benrob0329 SFML is C++, and it has a far less clunky interface
14:36 Calinou you can use C libraries in C++, Java, Python, Rust, Nim, Go, …
14:36 Calinou C++? good luck with that
14:36 Calinou out of the box, you can use C++ libraries in… C++
14:36 Calinou if you want to use them in other languages, you need to perform two bindings: binding the C++ library to C then to another language (like Rust)
14:37 Calinou (this is what was done for Godot's GDNative)
14:38 benrob0329 if I'm writing a game/program in C++, I do not care about other languages
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14:41 nerzhul you can use C++ libs in java/python, rust also :p
14:41 nerzhul benrob0329, i agree with you, C++ for the worl
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14:42 rubenwardy C++ has a nonstandardified ABI, which is why it's more painful to bind to other languages
14:42 rubenwardy iirc
14:42 rubenwardy but C++ libraries in C++ is infinitely nicer
14:42 rubenwardy also, o/
14:42 benrob0329 \o rubenwardy
14:42 rubenwardy I way prefer SFML to SDL
14:42 nerzhul non standard ABI ? and what's the problem with that is STL respect the standard API ?
14:43 nerzhul it's normal for a such low level library to be dependent and near from system
14:43 red-005 should I learn rust?
14:43 nerzhul (note: stdc++ library is very high quality compared to gnustdc++
14:44 nerzhul bsd stdc++ for the fist occurence
14:44 nerzhul red-005, you can but it's useless for MT :p
14:44 benrob0329 ^^^
14:44 benrob0329 Rust library support just isn't there yet
14:45 red-005 do any major projects use it?
14:45 nerzhul rust and golang are not stable for long time support (> 5 years)
14:45 benrob0329 There are a LOT of immature projects out there that simply aren't ready
14:45 benrob0329 So id (and am) give a few years
14:47 CWz WhoAreYou, hey guess who visted mtz yesterday
14:47 red-005 mtz?
14:47 WhoAreYou CWz, blonde boy with glasses from USA?
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14:47 CWz No deezl
14:47 WhoAreYou Ah, deezl.
14:47 WhoAreYou Thought about ChainLynx first.
14:48 benrob0329 Heh
14:48 nerzhul rust is used by thunderbird and firefox is some parsers, golang is used on influxdb, grafana and many interesting sysadmin  tools
14:48 benrob0329 He was on VE servers not too long ago
14:48 nerzhul mtz => minetest zimbabwe ? :D
14:48 benrob0329 Of Zombabwe
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14:49 benrob0329 *or
14:49 benrob0329 Sounds like a post apocalyptic video of mine
14:49 benrob0329 "The Zombies of Zimbabwe"
14:50 CWz Zombabwe
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14:51 benrob0329 Wb NathanS21
14:51 NathanS21 thanks
14:52 benrob0329 How was the void?
14:54 nerzhul lol i read RichardTheTurkey
14:54 benrob0329 LOL
14:55 Wayward_One hi all
14:56 DS-minetest hi Wayward_One
14:56 Fixer https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/C_9IRhKVwAETM18.jpg:large
14:56 Fixer those symbols always scared me
14:57 benrob0329 Oh, I found a VT220 and a new old stock WY-65 on ebay!
14:57 benrob0329 Idk which one to buy
14:58 Fixer benrob0329: price?
14:58 benrob0329 The VT is used but repainted
14:58 benrob0329 $195 and $225
14:59 benrob0329 But new old stock
14:59 benrob0329 That is...amazing
14:59 benrob0329 I could make a video about it
15:02 benrob0329 Funny thiny, Wyse was bought out by/became Dell
15:02 benrob0329 My.monitor is a Dell
15:05 Fixer benrob0329: seen Wyse terminal IRL, holy shit it was hard to look at
15:06 benrob0329 Whar color?
15:06 Fixer benrob0329: grey i think
15:06 Fixer benrob0329: was 20 years ago
15:06 benrob0329 No, CTR color
15:06 Fixer greyish only
15:06 benrob0329 ah
15:06 Fixer benrob0329: what is CTR?
15:06 benrob0329 This one is an Amber
15:07 benrob0329 *CRT
15:07 Fixer oh
15:08 Fixer benrob0329: not sure about colour, was very long ago, but I remember it was painful to look at
15:09 benrob0329 If I do get it, I can recreate this video: https://youtu.be/MoKj9QiFR0k
15:10 Fixer benrob0329: color was probably this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuHnRjxnCiE
15:18 Jordach FeelsGoodMan
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15:24 benrob0329 I think I'm going to get it
15:25 benrob0329 Ill need to buy a keyboard, but those aren't hard to find
15:27 Jordach oooooo
15:27 Jordach my PC does Dolby Atmos support for headphones
15:27 Jordach (and Windows Sonic)
15:28 benrob0329 what does atmos do?
15:28 Jordach positional sounds
15:28 Calinou lotsa people on my Zandronum coop server right now :)
15:28 Calinou 7 players
15:28 Calinou I set it up yesterday
15:28 benrob0329 There are so many dolby technologies I can't keep track of them anymore
15:28 CWz What is Zandronum?
15:29 Jordach multiplayer doom
15:29 Jordach (1993)
15:29 Jordach anyone want to play some multiplayer terraria
15:36 * Shara sometimes misses that game
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15:41 Fixer nsfw https://twitter.com/destructo​id/status/864221687666982913
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15:57 Fuchs I'm not entirely sure the 720p is a problem for a game of that kind. I enjoy it, but then I also never played it on PC
15:57 Fuchs (wrt that twitter link)
15:58 red-005 hi Fuchs
15:58 Fuchs I mean ... it's blocks.
15:59 Shara Hi Fuchs
15:59 Fuchs yes, hi
16:03 Calinou Minecraft looks far better at higher resolutions still (far away landscapes)
16:03 Calinou a 1440p monitor is a good upgrade for such games, actually, I find
16:03 Calinou 2160p would be ideal
16:03 Fuchs celeron55: poke
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16:06 garywhite benrob0329: Why would you buy a terminal?
16:09 Fuchs celeron55: query?
16:09 celeron55 feel free to
16:09 Fuchs Krock: we can't as we have zero server side logging and don't want it, but: you were in the channel at that time :p
16:10 Krock ah, you meant that. I thought you were refering to something that you said even earlier
16:12 garywhite The channel is unowned
16:13 DS-minetest to write that whole hello? X3
16:13 DS-minetest i would need Minetestbot there
16:13 DS-minetest to greet her
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16:21 Fuchs garywhite: it's not registered currently if you mean #minetest-hello
16:21 Fuchs but as the project just passed our registration, technically the group contact can ask us staff to op up $whoever
16:22 red-005 Fuchs, it seems to be a temporary channel
16:22 Fuchs red-005: yes
16:22 * DS-minetest has added it to the automatic join list
16:25 paramat !tell LazyJ see https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=18&t=17397 . it would be very difficult or impossible to implement the options as you suggest, what we have currently only just works
16:25 ShadowBot paramat: O.K.
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16:29 red-005 oh neat I see you already have group cloaks
16:31 Jordach >not on regulars table
16:31 Jordach *autistic screeching*
16:33 * red-005 makes a pointless comment about anti-vaccers
16:33 * red-005 is now banned from ##steam
16:34 garywhite why'd you get banned from steam?
16:34 garywhite ##steam*
16:36 celeron55 proof that minetest is now a registered group on freenode: /whois celeron55
16:36 red-005 it's a vac-ban joke
16:37 VanessaE nice work, celeron55
16:37 paramat good
16:39 VanessaE thanks again, Fuchs
16:39 Fuchs welcome :)
16:39 Fuchs sorry for the wait
16:41 Jordach that took 5 years lmao
16:41 Fuchs well, no, it took a bit longer than it should have, but way below the years mark :p
16:41 celeron55 well, the first 5 years were me
16:41 celeron55 the rest were freenode
16:42 Fuchs I think it was a month or two for us, which is bad, we are fixing this currently
16:42 Jordach Fuchs, my sarcasm is usually on time, much like japanese trains, unless it runs a minute late, then you get a card with one free remark
16:42 Fuchs \o/
16:43 Fuchs I am Swiss, I am used to trains being on time and I am super exact about it!
16:43 * Jordach looks at British railways
16:43 Jordach *unintelligible autistic screeching*
16:43 Fuchs anway, sorry for the wait, it took us longer than it should have, but the freenode side is now either sorted or, for the open points, can be sorted by the minetest group contact. I'm afraid there isn't much we can do about off-freenode stuff, but I gave some advice on that :)
16:44 Fuchs Jordach: yes, I used these for a bit, wasn't too bad, but it was mostly from London to Banbury or from the latter to either Oxford or ... what was it ... lots of Canals ... anyway, don't know much of it
16:44 Fuchs Birmingham, that's the one
16:45 Jordach Fuchs, large admin groups remind me of this http://i.imgur.com/V7Zhpsm.mp4
16:47 Fuchs I shall drop out of various channels now, and shall probably also drop out of this one once more things are settled, feel free to poke staff (including me) if needed, and: no offense, I am just in too many channels
16:47 Fuchs I shall give your lovely project a go at one point, because I just recently for the first time played Minecraft (on my Switch, I am not a PC gamer, as I only have underpowered laptops) and I like it, so I shall try minetest given I ♥ FOSS.
16:48 VanessaE I might suggest staying in here for now?
16:48 VanessaE just...my little voice says to. :)
16:48 celeron55 can i drop out from here? i'm on too many channels too!
16:48 Fuchs yes, hence "when more things have settled" :)
16:48 celeron55 lol
16:48 Fuchs just so people aren't suprirsed when I suddenly drop out in a couple of days (hopefully!)
16:48 Shara celeron55: Don't you dare :)
16:48 VanessaE celeron55: nope, you're stuck here :)
16:48 * VanessaE glues celeron55's pants to the chair
16:49 celeron55 but it's painful! this is channel 25
16:49 Fuchs and I might submit a GitHub issue if minetest doesn't contain foxes, because that is what minecraft lacks, wolves are boring
16:49 Shara Drop the others :D
16:49 Fuchs celeron55: ahaha, 25 ...
16:49 * red-005 waits for celeron55 to escape with the chair
16:49 Fuchs celeron55: most of us have a three digit amount :(
16:49 VanessaE O_O
16:49 red-005 Fuchs, wow
16:49 VanessaE hell I thought I was on too many as it is, and I'm, on like, 10.
16:49 shivajiva only 25?  pssh!
16:49 Fuchs life is hard etc.
16:49 Shara Fuchs: My server has foxes anyway, but I don't think many do :)
16:50 VanessaE s/,\ o/\ o/
16:50 red-005 my client hangs on start up with only ~50-60
16:50 Fuchs Shara: good, then I know what server I shall test it on once I find the time :)
16:50 * nore has about 120-130 open buffers...
16:50 Fuchs nore: not all of them channels I guess, because our limit for users is 120
16:50 Fuchs but yes, that is "many channels" :)
16:51 nore Fuchs: well, 60-70 channels, but on two separate networks
16:51 Fuchs ah, yes, that also works
16:51 nore only about 10-15 on freenode I think
16:51 * Shara finds more than 10 already annoys
16:51 red-005 I'm connected to 3 networks
16:51 nore but I had to ask the admins of the other network to raise the limit which was 30 channels last year :)
16:52 garywhite I'm on 18 channels on freenode
16:53 Fuchs I'm on 6 networks, but fortunately only in a handful of channels on most that aren't freenode. And as per above, I try to keep the count low for freenode as well
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16:54 VanessaE 9 on freenode, 3 on another network
16:55 celeron55 i think the productivity of a person outside IRC is calculated as ((25 - buffer count) / 0.25) %
17:08 celeron55 (actually, the other thing that would make sense would be to just kick OC out from #-project and leave it be)
17:08 celeron55 oops, where's my [off]
17:09 Calinou btw Fuchs, long time no see
17:09 Fuchs Calinou: your name is familiar, but I can't put it in a place yet. Hi though :)
17:09 Calinou who will have a Minetest group cloak by the way?
17:09 red-005 Fuchs, I know that feeling
17:09 celeron55 Calinou: will be decided much later; not important now
17:09 Calinou right
17:11 Fuchs okay, I'm off for a while, if you need staff assistance in the meantime: check if someone is on   /stats p   and feel free to query them, else (or in general) feel free to poke #freenode, colleagues are informed about *
17:11 Fuchs (which is a great exaggeration, but they know what they need to know!)
17:20 red-005 and sadly sometimes windows 10
17:20 red-005 (yes I know the horror)
17:20 Krock well, no problem with https://github.com/Nummer/​Destroy-Windows-10-Spying
17:28 garywhite It's a quote from Frasier, that got reused on Big Bang Theory
17:33 CWz for a seconed i though we had another 'light' illegal andriod fork
17:34 rubenwardy This topic should probably been in offtopic: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopi​c.php?f=5&t=17576&start=25
17:35 Shara It seriously should be
17:36 Shara The forum is so full of... stuff I don't want to look through... that I barely look there
17:37 * VanessaE moves it
17:37 Shara Thanks :)
17:37 VanessaE yw
17:37 rubenwardy thanks :D
17:37 Shara I saw it earlier, then forgot to say something
17:37 rubenwardy banished to whenst they came
17:38 nore can't we just rename the "Offtopic" section to "Shitposting" to give it a more accurate name?
17:38 paramat well, i don't know if we'll rename, but is has ben seriously discussed and i just hope we do
17:38 paramat heh
17:39 paramat *been
17:40 Krock nore, it got quite spammy there and actually this wouldn't be a bad idea
17:40 nore (or nuke this section entirely)
17:40 Krock kids ould cry
17:40 Krock *would
17:41 nore -_-
17:42 paramat i like 'minetest' too, but i think it's a silly name we tend to get used to and come to like. if you consider it freshly it's so bad it's funny :]
17:42 VanessaE heh
17:42 rubenwardy ^
17:42 VanessaE then let's change iot.
17:42 VanessaE it*
17:42 paramat how about 'excavation examination'? ;]
17:42 VanessaE I created this poll many moons ago:  http://www.strawpoll.me/32807
17:42 VanessaE the first time the subject came up with any serious discussion around itr
17:43 VanessaE it*
17:43 paramat yes and those are awful names
17:43 Shara SUggestions I've seen are simply terrible
17:43 VanessaE I collected options from everyone who made suggestions; The Open Minetest Engine/TOME was mine.
17:44 paramat TOME is not so bad
17:44 Krock "Minetest core" is just fine
17:44 VanessaE no, it really isn't, Krock ...
17:44 Krock accept my opinion! :P
17:44 VanessaE your opinions is already there was "keep the old name!" :)
17:44 VanessaE -s
17:45 paramat anyway, the best thing to do is to let c55 choose the new name
17:45 Shara yes keeping the name has twice the votes of the next highest there...
17:45 Shara yet*
17:45 VanessaE paramat: "I let celeron55 name my game engines" :)
17:45 rubenwardy I voted for that one ^
17:45 rubenwardy back in the day
17:45 VanessaE (that was the "CowboyNeal" option :D )
17:45 CWz So what are the new names suggested thus far?
17:45 paramat .. to avoid unbearable bikeshedding and all these unimaginative names
17:45 VanessaE paramat: fair enough
17:46 paramat :]
17:46 Shara To be honest, just about all the names in that poll make me want to yawn
17:46 CWz would the new name contain related minetest/craft words, i.e block,node,craft
17:46 paramat hopefully not
17:46 CWz where the poll
17:47 VanessaE CWz: scroll back, but that's an old, outdated poll
17:47 VanessaE I only linked here for context
17:47 paramat and for me, word combinations containing 'free' or 'open' are just as bad
17:48 Shara agreed with paramat
17:48 CWz boy those names make me want to get bitten by a rattlesnake
17:48 CWz provided the damage is disabled
17:48 Wayward_One I still like the recently suggested "Kuutio"
17:48 garywhite I prefer Minetest because it makes it seem more like a MC-type game, that's the main reason that I started using MT, more realistic than MC but no $25 to play
17:48 Shara Wayward_One: That was the only suggestion I've heard so far that I didn't hate :)
17:49 CWz minevana?
17:49 CWz ^dumb name
17:49 paramat a MC reference is something to avoid i feel, so many names try to make a link to MC
17:49 Krock Burrito Core
17:49 CWz so no names with mine in it
17:49 CWz ?
17:50 Wayward_One Shara: same :)
17:50 CWz Okay original name it is
17:50 CWz this should take about an undisclosed ammount of time
17:50 CWz to finish
17:51 VanessaE how about Cubic Dreams :)
17:51 VanessaE ok that sucks too :P
17:51 CWz sounds like a toilet papper manufacturing plant
17:51 garywhite Either way, I think it'd be smart to wait until a major release to change any names, so at least wait for 0.5
17:51 Shara Haha
17:51 VanessaE wat
17:51 CWz 0.6
17:51 garywhite or 0.6
17:52 CWz or 1.0
17:52 Shara 1.0 :P
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17:52 garywhite 1.0
17:52 CWz Blokadia
17:52 CWz lame...
17:52 CWz wait gimmic
17:53 CWz bloqadia
17:53 CWz ehk
17:53 CWz coming up with names is hard
17:53 * Shara blocks it
17:53 Amaz I do like Mesetint :)
17:53 nore based on the current trend 1.0 will take at least 1000 years to be released :)
17:53 Shara Yea, why I'm not trying
17:53 CWz BloXandria
17:56 CWz N.M.C.R
17:56 CWz Okay i give up
17:56 Wayward_One MIM: Minetest Isn't Minecraft
17:56 Wayward_One :3
17:57 CWz Not A Mine craft Ripoff
17:57 CWz Ello there Sailward
17:57 paramat here is our previous discussion on this topic http://irc.minetest.net/minet​est-dev/2017-04-27#i_4900532
17:57 Wayward_One Ahoy thar Mr. Wormz :)
17:59 paramat next release probably will be 0.5 so a good time for a new name
18:00 CWz is Qublox taken?
18:00 CWz sadly that the best i can come up with
18:00 paramat unfortunately it has 'blox' in it
18:01 paramat see http://irc.minetest.net/minet​est-dev/2017-04-27#i_4900532
18:01 paramat oops wrong link
18:01 paramat https://www.reddit.com/r/VoxelGameDev/comm​ents/why8x/the_big_list_of_block_engines/
18:02 paramat lots of uncreative names
18:02 nore open-x-g-k-craft
18:02 Fixer Krock: iirc MS bypasses hosts file, you need to block with firewall
18:02 nore (doesn't that look great?)
18:03 paramat 'Meinkrampft'
18:03 VanessaE ...
18:03 Krock JA
18:04 CWz Blokenheim
18:04 Fixer TOME is alreadt taken by another OSS project
18:04 Krock nore, open-x-g-k-craft 0.5.0-dirty-f93ab12-debug
18:05 Fixer name must be easily rememberable
18:05 * Krock tries to upload 17.7 MiB .. he noticed that it takes over 15 minutes
18:06 nore Krock: is that your new name suggestion?
18:06 Krock nore, no. just playing with the thought to call it " open-x-g-k-craft "
18:06 nore it might be a name that is quite hard to remember if it's 17.7 MiB long
18:06 Fixer nore: that the worst
18:06 Fixer nore: i do like Open* at start of the name
18:07 nore Krock: nono, I was talking about your upload :)
18:07 Krock lol
18:07 * nore should really get back to work
18:07 Krock well great, the upload corrupted
18:07 Fixer OpenVoxel for example
18:07 Fixer since it is engine
18:07 Fixer and Minetest as game for it
18:08 paramat good grief
18:08 Fixer but nice
18:08 Fixer OpenTTD
18:08 Fixer OpenRA
18:08 Fixer OpenXCOM
18:08 Krock OpenOffice
18:08 Fixer OpenRCT2 iirc
18:08 Fixer OpenBox (i hope)
18:09 Fixer one sec
18:09 Fixer openage
18:09 Fixer openGTA (o_O)
18:10 Fixer OpenJDK
18:10 Fixer or...
18:10 Fixer yeah it is
18:10 paramat i suggest avoiding varying combinations of 'mine' 'craft' 'dig' 'build' 'cube' 'voxel' 'block' 'blox' 'world' 'free' 'open'
18:10 red-005 open roblox
18:10 Fixer OpenMOO2
18:10 CWz dang
18:11 CWz so that just leaves Würfelhaven
18:11 CWz as my only suggestion
18:12 nore mine-build-dig-and-craft-in-an-open-world-of-cubes
18:12 Calinou "Open(something)" is often viewed as unimaginative and sometimes even pejorative
18:12 Calinou "Libre(something)" is only slightly better
18:12 Calinou (look at the people dissing OpenGL and praising Vulkan)
18:13 Calinou if you want your software to be popular, it has to contain an innuendo pun! /s
18:13 Fixer OpenPEPE
18:13 Fixer downside is trolls
18:14 paramat lol
18:15 Krock paramat, I recorded a video of my sn*ak PR and the "official" one. Trying to upload it now...
18:15 CWz Creative Sam
18:15 paramat yeah will review your latest soon
18:15 Jordach FairCube Engine :P
18:16 * CWz gives up
18:16 Krock uploaded this file about 5 times now, just always the very beginning of it >.<
18:16 Fixer CWz: Serious Sam / Creative Sam
18:16 Krock since this copper cable connection doesn't seem to like uploads
18:16 paramat 'Plunderassessment'
18:16 Jordach paramat, fuck just had the best one
18:16 Jordach Quarry
18:17 Fixer IrrlichtQuarry
18:17 CWz I don't think you can name a game without the name being related to the gameplay somehow. it would be like naming Team Fortress 2. 9 guys and Toilet
18:17 Fixer lol
18:17 paramat hehe
18:17 paramat well you can
18:18 paramat that approach is what leads to boring names, oh, 'boring' ..
18:20 CWz we need a name that is original like Narbacular drop was to portal 2
18:20 Fixer CyberCube
18:20 red-005 punch stuff
18:20 Fixer CYBERCUBE
18:20 Fixer punching
18:20 benrob0329 garywhite: because its a peice of useable history
18:21 paramat 'Boringexperiment'
18:21 CWz Atheoria
18:21 Calinou libmining-ng
18:21 Fixer lol please no
18:22 Fixer no libmining-ng
18:22 Fixer thats something like fork of something obscure from 1970
18:24 CWz ZoxxoZ
18:25 CWz ^ now i am beyond out of idea
18:26 * CWz leaves renaming minetest to the the geniuses
18:27 benrob0329 So whilst i was mowing the lawn, I thought about how imgui (or any other gui, for thar matter) could be sent to the client, as its function based
18:27 benrob0329 And it hit me, client side modding
18:28 benrob0329 You could seperate the gui code into ots own script, and send it to the client
18:28 benrob0329 Boom, client side gui that triggers server functions
18:30 benrob0329 (Ik it'd be more complicated than that, but typing out everything rn would be a pain since I have research to go.do before I get a full plan)
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18:40 CWz i bet VanessaE could come up with a good name
18:41 Krock paramat, my result for master: http://krock-works.16mb.com​/u/sneak_master_febd07f.mp4
18:42 Krock the other is still uploading..
18:42 Krock with legendary 4.1 KiB/s
18:43 paramat hm 'video format or MIME type not supported'
18:43 Krock xvid4.. shouldn't be a problem?
18:43 rubenwardy I had to download and open in VLC
18:43 Krock opens in the embedded VLC here, FF
18:44 paramat ah ok
18:45 * CWz wonders howmany feminists were offended by the wget download progress bar
18:45 paramat ok got it
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18:47 Shara We seem to be collecting nerzhuls!
18:47 CWz Gotta get 'em all!
18:48 CWz damn one got awawy
18:48 Shara :(
18:49 Krock lol rubenwardy
18:51 VanessaE CWz: I have no ideas for names.
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19:15 tenplus1 hi folks
19:15 Raven262 Hello tenplus1
19:15 tenplus1 hi raven
19:15 Amaz Hi ten :)
19:16 tenplus1 hi amaz :P
19:19 Shara Hello :)
19:19 tenplus1 hi shara :P
19:21 benrob0329 hi tenplus1
19:21 tenplus1 hi benrob, nice desktop btw
19:22 benrob0329 thnx
19:22 benrob0329 not sure if im going to go for the gaps look yet
19:22 benrob0329 currently trying to get mpd running
19:22 tenplus1 sweet, I used mpd a lot :)
19:22 tenplus1 settled on audacious now
19:24 Fixer tenplus1: tamed and protected mobs can be killed?
19:24 tenplus1 tamed and protected mobs cannot be killed inside owners protected area, only outside
19:24 tenplus1 hi WhoAreYou
19:24 WhoAreYou Hello 10+1
19:25 Fixer tenplus1: my sheeps are under protection, yet i lost like most of them to something unknown
19:25 Fixer tenplus1: one guy also said you can kill protected sheep with the egg, not sure what that means
19:25 tenplus1 they can still be killed by mobs and usual environment damage... just not players
19:25 tenplus1 ohh, if you throw a chicken egg it can harm mobs
19:26 Raven262 Well, i say that is one creative idea +1
19:26 tenplus1 lol
19:30 benrob0329 something using a source based distro teaches you, is use simple programs
19:30 benrob0329 they compile easier
19:30 benrob0329 /faster
19:30 tenplus1 :P
19:31 garywhite hi WAY
19:31 tenplus1 hi gary
19:31 garywhite hi ten
19:32 Fixer https://i.imgur.com/6AOia8s.png fuck not this again
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19:33 Raven262 What an odd structure, Fixer
19:33 Raven262 What are those gray things on your screenshot?
19:34 tenplus1 hi paramat
19:34 paramat nice architecture
19:34 Fixer Raven262: where?
19:34 tenplus1 ??
19:34 Raven262 On the water?
19:35 tenplus1 illusionary :D
19:35 Raven262 How or what is that? xD
19:35 Fixer Raven262: protector blocks?
19:36 Raven262 I doubt it, i see gray line things on the screenshot, and it is not cause of my screen.
19:36 paramat reminds me of modernist like le corbusier
19:36 Fixer why the fuck they build on water...
19:37 Fixer my view is ruined again
19:37 Shara Fixer: original spawn of Red Cat would give you nightmares
19:37 Shara They ran out of land and just... never stopped.
19:38 rubywarden On redcrab, someone built a massive wall right next to my private estate
19:38 Fixer gonna a build a wall if that structure will be that ugly
19:38 rubywarden like, if it was a house it would be fine as it's reasonably far awal
19:38 Shara I will now only build on servers where I can make a ridiculously huge protected area first
19:39 Shara I freaked out when someone started building pixelart next to http://rc.minetest.tv/wp-content/​uploads/2016/07/DeepWinter02.png
19:39 Raven262 http://i.imgur.com/RWjJunC.png these
19:40 Shara Raven262: pretty sure those are protectors
19:40 Raven262 A what?
19:40 Raven262 Never seen those things in my life xD
19:40 Raven262 Well, there is first time for everything.
19:41 tenplus1 paramat: https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1732
19:41 tenplus1 you misunderstood what I said dude... I explained a little more
19:46 tenplus1 http://lolsnaps.com/upload_p​ic/6a9e0f9e-turn-around.jpg
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19:53 tenplus1 hi nore
19:54 nore hi
20:02 paramat ok
20:05 Fixer Raven262: protectors
20:05 Raven262 Well, that is one hell of a ping, Fixer
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20:06 red-005 hi man_arab ?
20:06 red-005 whoever you are
20:06 Fixer was thinking on some concepts... https://i.imgur.com/vIAoBGQ.png
20:06 Fixer the wall
20:06 Fixer does not blend with water well :(
20:07 Raven262 Yes, cyan wool + pinewood makes a nice colour scheme.
20:09 Fixer i know only one creative way how to hide that ugly house
20:09 Fixer by building a nice boat
20:09 Fixer ship
20:10 Raven262 Or... an aircraft carrier!
20:10 Raven262 :O
20:10 Fixer thats too much
20:10 Raven262 Yeah, might be.
20:10 Fixer i've seen those already in minetest
20:10 Raven262 I saw only one.
20:10 Fixer Redcrab?
20:11 Fixer Landrush?
20:11 Raven262 No, i saw it on a map converted from MC
20:11 Raven262 The large map, has soem buildings too
20:11 Raven262 *some
20:12 Raven262 But i can't remember the name.
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20:13 tenplus1 hi rubenwardy
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20:27 Calinou http://www.pcgamer.com/meet-the-dad-who-quit-his-​job-to-run-a-minecraft-server-for-autistic-kids/
20:27 Calinou hmm, there was a Minetest forums thread about that server once
20:27 Calinou apparently they get $1,550 of Patreon donations a month
20:27 tenplus1 oof
20:29 * Shara would love to see things like that take off in MT
20:30 tenplus1 start a channel with a good cause like that and it may happen :D
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20:34 Shara I wouldn't have the resources sadly.
20:34 rubenwardy hi tenplus1
20:34 rubenwardy hi all
20:34 Shara Can barely keep up with the servers I already run
20:34 Shara HI rubenwardy
20:34 tenplus1 heh
20:35 rubenwardy I'm going to use my time well this summer
20:35 rubenwardy planning on making a new server
20:35 * tenplus1 opens a server for the blind...
20:35 Shara rubenwardy: what kind?
20:36 Shara My third one is in the planning stages right now.
20:36 rubenwardy I want to make a capitalism server, where players create shops and distribution networks
20:36 rubenwardy not sure how to make the code work
20:36 rubenwardy over ambitious, as usual
20:36 tenplus1 Xanadu is kinda like that already rubenwardy :P
20:36 tenplus1 we have shopping centres
20:36 rubenwardy nah
20:37 garywhite tenplus1: That's kinda hard to do cause how are you supposed to play without seeing what you're doing?
20:37 rubenwardy Xanadu may have an economy, but not in the way I want
20:37 tenplus1 braille display gary
20:37 tenplus1 ahh, what kinda economy you after ?
20:37 Shara My Box server is ridiculously over ambitious as well.
20:37 garywhite What about Minetest: Colorblind Edition?
20:37 rubenwardy Semi-EVE, but mostly automated
20:38 rubenwardy I have a rough idea, just need to fill it out
20:38 rubenwardy lel
20:38 Shara I'll eventually either need to spend a huge amount of time building, or some builders who have a clue about level design
20:38 garywhite rubenwardy: Are you going for a server that is more like a realistic economy?
20:40 rubenwardy yeah, but not loyally realist
20:41 garywhite OK, but I may know of a mod that could be useful
20:41 tenplus1 bonemeal mod works a little TOO well; https://img.banggood.com/thumb/water​/oaupload/banggood/images/26/59/e50b​5c0a-8a32-4502-b830-8621d498aef8.jpg
20:42 garywhite rubenwardy: https://github.com/Tmanyo/bank_accounts
20:42 rubenwardy oh nice, bookmarked
20:46 tenplus1 wow, nice mod... pretty indepth
20:46 tenplus1 nite folks
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20:47 garywhite night ten
21:15 red-005 night
21:16 Fixer MAAAAAAAAAAKE A MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE
21:18 Fixer bookmarked that too^^
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22:11 paramat another rain mod with blue rain :]
22:16 Shara paramat: Nooooooooooooo!
22:18 Fixer paramat: never seen blue rain...
22:21 * Jordach starts singing about Purple Rain
22:21 Fixer haze
22:21 Calinou <rubenwardy> I want to make a capitalism server, where players create shops and distribution networks
22:21 Calinou heh
22:21 Calinou problem is, it won't work, most players don't understand how economy works
22:22 Shara Calinou: but that's why it will be interesting :)
22:22 Jordach and then some communist will ask you to match me and then go no refunds
22:23 Jordach bernie panders ecksdee
22:23 Jordach Kappa
22:24 paramat hehe
22:24 Fixer anarcho-capitalism in minetest
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