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00:05 benrob0329 Well in other news, I'm finally getting a new desk \o/
00:09 ThomasMonroe benrob0329, you were interested in the Electric univers?
00:12 benrob0329 To an extent
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00:30 benrob0329 o/ kaeza
00:35 kaeza hi benrob0329
00:50 octacian I'm working on a subgame that has all-stone terrain if mgv7 is used. What should I look for?
00:50 octacian paramat: ^
00:50 VanessaE sounds like you want to resurrect the old "just test" server
00:50 octacian (note, this is an old subgame that I"m attempting to bring back to life)
00:50 VanessaE (it relied on mgv7 during a time when mgv7 had nothing but stone or air)
00:50 octacian Nope. Trying to resurrect the OCD subgame
00:51 octacian It's from 2014 lol
00:53 VanessaE good luck :)
00:53 octacian thanks xD
00:53 behalebabo octacian: looks like it doesn't register any biomes, so that would be your trouble
00:53 behalebabo seems it's using a default designed for v6
00:54 octacian Ah, you're right.
00:54 octacian How do you consistently know the exact answer for every one of my problems? :rotfl:
00:55 behalebabo too much digging around trying to fix broken mods
00:55 behalebabo I learned a lot that way
00:55 octacian Let's see if you know this one then: How do I get the current mapgen?
00:56 behalebabo minetest.get_mapgen_setting("mg_name")
00:56 octacian Thank you :D
00:56 behalebabo when answering a question I usually cheat and just look where I know it's used, in this case minetest_game/mods/default/mapgen.lua
00:57 behalebabo best way to find how something works, I've found
00:57 paramat erm
00:58 octacian Yeah, I'd just forgotten that you actually needed to register a biome
00:58 octacian paramat: NVM, behalebabo had the answer :D
00:58 paramat clearing the registered biomes might leave you with all-stone
00:58 octacian Issue was no mgv7 biomes were registered at all
00:58 paramat oh a subgame
00:58 octacian Yep
00:59 octacian Trying to resurrect OCD as OCD2
00:59 paramat do you want all-stone or is that the problem?
00:59 octacian Problem. Registered basic grassland biomes from minimal though, and fixed.
01:00 octacian I'm just now implementing river water so as to just use new MTG mapgen.lua.
01:00 paramat sorry i'm behind on reading logs
01:01 octacian Nope, it's OK. I'm just glad you're willing to help in the first place :D
01:01 paramat see default/mapgen.lua for biome registration examples
01:01 paramat minimal is a unreliable source for correct code
01:02 octacian *unrelated*: I updated my MT client today and snow + other nodeboxes show up in blue. Also, Exit to Menu exits game.
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01:07 octacian Well, nearly got mapgen working. Still stone, but found a random beach which is a plus I guess :rotfl:
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01:35 benrob0329 paramat: Your updated moonrealm mid is getting a video of its own :D
01:35 paramat nice
01:36 benrob0329 unfortunately, I have no idea how to survive on the moon
01:36 paramat the mod is a bit of a mess
01:37 benrob0329 (I'm pretty sure I screwed myself over tbh)
01:37 paramat i have plans for machines that generate air, silicon, glass from moondust, powered by solar panels
01:37 benrob0329 Granted, it may be bugs in the mod aswell
01:38 paramat air gen problem?
01:38 benrob0329 Like I couldn't craft a furnace
01:38 benrob0329 And that
01:39 paramat i might have removed furnace crafting to prepare for solar powered furnaces
01:39 paramat so yes it's a bit broken, but driving the rover is fun
01:39 Sokomine octacian: update again. i had that same problem today as well. latest version fixes it
01:40 benrob0329 paramat: this is true
01:40 octacian Sokomine: OK, will try.
01:40 benrob0329 I'm probably going to post the video asap rather than schedule it
01:40 benrob0329 Because I'm a bit behind
01:41 paramat the air generator will place air in a 16 node radius but your entire base must be sealed and within that radius
01:41 paramat otherwise vacuum nodes will spread through and remove the air
01:42 benrob0329 Having pressurized areas marked would be good
01:42 paramat air is visible from outside the air
01:42 paramat it has 2 blue pixels in the corner (O2)
01:42 benrob0329 Also was having problems with hydro-whatevertheheck spread
01:43 octacian Sokomine: thanks for mentioning, building again.
01:43 benrob0329 It didn't want to go into the dirt below flowing
01:43 benrob0329 anyways, you'll see in the video
01:44 paramat not sure the flowing node can saturate dirt. ok
01:44 benrob0329 It was interesting to play anyways :D
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03:11 Sokomine paramat: oldcoder already runs a moontest server. that afaik has some air generators already
03:15 benrob0329 Meh, I'm gettin tierd
03:15 benrob0329 But this video must be finished
03:24 paramat Sokomine yes as far as i remember the moontest air code is based on an earlier version of my mod, with some edits
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03:38 octacian How do you set the light of one specific node without placing a node?
03:38 octacian I heard that there was some way to do it using the Voxel Manipulator...
03:39 paramat yeah
03:41 paramat although set_node might do it with param1 = x
03:41 benrob0329 Is vmanip faster than set or swap for single node places?
03:42 paramat slower
03:42 benrob0329 K
03:43 paramat https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2229
03:43 benrob0329 Is there a way to start a nodetimer after swap?
03:44 paramat seems so https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/b​lob/master/mods/default/functions.lua#L333
03:47 benrob0329 That function never calls swap_node
03:48 paramat yes but that code shows how to start a timer on a node
03:49 Sokomine paramat: ah. good to know. it's a nice server
03:50 octacian paramat: param1 = x?
03:50 paramat x being the light level you want
03:51 benrob0329 paramat: ik how to start a node timer, I'm just wondering if you can do so after calling swap_node (I don't believe you can, but if anyone knows otherwise then I can ditch my custom function)
03:51 octacian huh ok
03:51 octacian I'll try that, cause VoxelManip is COMPLICATED
03:52 paramat octacian see the lua api link i posted
03:52 octacian Yup! Thanks :D
03:53 Sokomine voxelmanip is nice :-) it's worth trying to understand how it works
03:55 octacian paramat: it doesn't seem to be working in add node. I try param1 = 13, but somehow param1 always = 15
03:55 octacian ..and It's not changing the light level
03:57 paramat might need an update, maybe dig a node nearby
03:59 octacian paramat: nope, nothing.
04:03 octacian I'm out, night all!
04:11 benrob0329 Ah shite
04:11 benrob0329 I have an early morning appointment tomorrow
04:11 benrob0329 I just want to get this video done!
04:12 benrob0329 I will get it done, tomorrow (obviously)
04:12 benrob0329 Hell or high water
04:12 benrob0329 Ill do it if I have to tape film strips together
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12:20 Fixer *,...,*
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13:26 Shara Anyone else finding their servers literally flooded to death by these three number ending names?
13:26 rubenwardy Android clones' version of guest123
13:28 Shara I'm currently needing to restart my survival server every couple of hours because maploading just stops. I've never had problems when the number of players is sitting close to the cap before, and all I can think of is it's the attempted number of connections due to them
13:28 Shara ANy time I restart, I seem to have 10+ of them again within a minute
13:29 Shara Server up five mins, and I'm at 17/22 players, with 11 of them being these 3 number names
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14:22 Jordach just autoban 3 number names
14:23 Jordach got three numbers in your name consecutively? get a real name
14:23 Jordach learn to drop the fucking ban hammer every now and then
14:23 Shara Jordach: I ban plenty of people
14:23 Jordach Shara, and i mean harder
14:23 Jordach :^))))))
14:24 Shara I'm known to get grouchy if I go a full day without banning anyone  :)
14:24 Shara But there's a whole bunch of genuine players using numbers.
14:24 * Jordach meant on registering a new player
14:25 Shara Yes, I know. But still thinking about what I want to do.
14:26 Shara Mostly trying to work out if their connection attempts after player cap is reached are the issue
14:26 Shara Because I don't mind them playing, I only mind if they are what is stopping others playing
14:44 red-NaN shit I guess I'm about to get banned then
14:45 * Jordach was joking
14:46 Shara If it comes to that, I'll make a special exception for names starting with red :)
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15:39 red-NaN I wonder are we missing a lot of people from -project
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15:41 Amaz Nope, we have 3 people more :P
15:41 ircSparky hi
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15:42 Amaz red-NaN: Users on #-project and those on #-hub now: https://pastebin.com/enWXkgkN
15:44 rubenwardy you can get a list of names for each channel, add them as two lists in librecalc/excel, color by channel, merge into one list, then sort
15:44 rubenwardy then go through and remove all duplicate names
15:44 rubenwardy you'll get a diff
15:44 Amaz That sounds like a bit too much effort for a Saturday afternoon :P
15:44 rubenwardy actually, you could use `diff` instead
15:47 * Shara wonders who some of these people are
15:48 Krock rubenwardy, how about doing multiple records, say all two days and make a pie ( <3 ) diagram to visualize the changes?
15:49 Krock not to forget that it must be published on a website using the material design
15:49 Shara An come with the other type of pie as well, because I'm hungry :)
15:50 rubenwardy should look like this: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals​/7c/dc/52/7cdc529b97492aefd4f9611fa4ce2c3b.jpg
15:50 Shara And*
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15:50 rubenwardy have input and output sources (ie: the channels, left IRC, joined IRC)
15:50 rubenwardy plus it should be written using silverlight, to allow proper business logic
15:51 rubenwardy brb
15:51 Krock why is that one not 3d? not satisfying this way
15:51 Krock moving along the "stripes", zooming in and going around them is definitely a missing feature there
16:07 red-NaN well I doubt davisonio will join -hub any time soon, he hosts a server but is almost never online
16:14 rdococ red := 3.5
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18:22 * Jordach meows
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18:26 * Jordach meows at rubenwardy
18:27 * rubenwardy barks
18:27 Fixer rubenwardy: nice visualisation
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19:09 tenplus1 hi folks
19:12 Shara Hi Ten :P
19:12 tenplus1 hi Shara :)
19:13 Krock hi tenplus1
19:13 tenplus1 hey Krock
19:13 tenplus1 how's all tonight :)
19:13 Krock I'm fine, thanks
19:13 tenplus1 glad to hear
19:13 * tenplus1 has ordered a Hoggie for noms :PPPP
19:14 Krock adding some ASCII art into an ASCII art
19:14 tenplus1 ooh, gotta link ?
19:16 Krock http://i.imgur.com/UfW5P5F.png  there's also text around that I simply removed (privacy)
19:16 tenplus1 TF Receiver
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19:24 tenplus1 hi ben
19:30 Krock bye ben
19:31 tenplus1 o/
19:39 kaeza hi tenplus1
19:39 kaeza first!
19:39 tenplus1 h kaeza
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19:39 kaeza o/ Krock
19:40 Krock o/ kaeza
19:40 tenplus1 :P
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19:52 tenplus1 pah! the latest firefox has a weird stall glitch
19:54 shivajiva Hi tenplus1 o/
19:54 kaeza what a surprise
19:55 tenplus1 FF has run well for me each time, just this latest release that messed up
19:55 tenplus1 hi shiva
19:55 kaeza on the good side you probably have yet another social network thingy bundled
19:56 tenplus1 hope not, I disable all those things by default :P
19:56 Krock FF just crashed today because I set my computer into standby for a couple hours
19:57 sfan5 chromium never does that :3
19:57 Krock it only eats your memory and does nothing else
19:57 tenplus1 hi sfan, and yes, chromium has bugged out on me as well at times :P
19:57 shivajiva o/ kaeza, Krock, sfan5
19:57 Krock o/ shivajiva
20:00 Jordach m e o w
20:00 tenplus1 hi Jordach
20:00 Jordach t h a t  w a s  f a s t
20:00 tenplus1 :P
20:02 rdococ h i
20:02 rdococ moo moo I'm a cat
20:02 tenplus1 lol hi rdococ
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20:05 kaeza ponies
20:06 Krock cat cat I'm a moo
20:09 * Shara wonders if the channel needs renaming
20:09 tenplus1 #minetest-zoo
20:09 shivajiva my family and other animals?
20:09 Shara One of those :)
20:10 shivajiva o/ Jordach
20:10 VanessaE heh
20:11 Jordach nah, this is #minetest but for expert shitposters
20:11 sfan5 expert
20:11 shivajiva lol
20:14 Jordach we've migrated from the ungrateful noobs
20:14 tenplus1 hehe
20:14 * Jordach is working on a brand new main menu for MT as part of the Solar Plains project
20:14 tenplus1 I liked  the idea of mixing client/server tabs together in git
20:15 * Jordach thought better
20:16 tenplus1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5622 <-- we need 'dis
20:17 red-NaN doesn't that break pausing in singleplayer?
20:17 Jordach my better option was something far more impressive
20:17 red-NaN which was?
20:17 tenplus1 you got link?
20:34 * Jordach has the stuff written down
20:34 Jordach will do later on once i finish this set of blender models
20:41 Fixer Jordach: 3d scene in main menu?
20:41 Jordach Fixer, less "we didn;t spent anything on designing a real UI for MT"
20:41 Jordach more holy shit it's usable
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20:43 tenplus1 hi rubenwardy
20:44 rubenwardy hi tenplus1
20:45 Fixer Jordach: holy shit, it is baked clay, ambience, weather, automation, mobs in Minetest Game
20:45 tenplus1 ?
20:45 Fixer sorry, that was my cat typing
20:45 Fixer nevermind
20:48 Jordach Fixer, Solar Plains will get some sort of weather,automaiton and ambiance
20:49 tenplus1 sounds good
20:49 tenplus1 nite folks :PP o/
20:51 Jordach a more fancy automation systen that's entirely visual
20:52 Jordach but requires a bit of thought into it
20:52 Jordach power flows infinitely on x and z, but not up, only down
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21:08 benrob0329 Boom.
21:09 Jordach headshot.
21:10 Jordach snipins a good job m8
21:10 Jordach plenty of work
21:10 Jordach out of doors
21:11 benrob0329 Heh
21:11 Jordach guaranteed you won't go hungry
21:11 Jordach at the end of the day, as long as there's two people left on the planet, someone is going to want someone dead
21:25 * benrob0329 uninstalls, and disables most built in Sprint App crap that keeps sending him frcking ad as push notifications
21:25 benrob0329 *ads
21:26 benrob0329 Its like, geez, I paid for your darn service, leave me alone!
21:27 benrob0329 (One of the reasons I wont use |\/|$ Windows)
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21:42 Hijiri Jordach: I don't know, what if nobody knows about any other people?
21:42 Hijiri though in that case they might want themselves dead
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21:50 benrob0329 "Connection reset by peer"
21:50 benrob0329 Can I slap the peer?
21:51 VanessaE so...
21:51 VanessaE some asshole has decided to bot-attack VE-Building
21:51 VanessaE three guesses who?
21:51 VanessaE kaeza and I have mitigated it
21:52 rubenwardy RedocDlo?
21:52 VanessaE probably.
21:52 VanessaE oh you DDoS'ed me!  I'll do the same to you!
21:52 VanessaE :P
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21:55 Fixer VanessaE: or maybe same dude(s) that ddosed oldcoder
21:55 VanessaE Fixer: could be.
21:55 VanessaE paramat: no need to [off] here.  he directly made such a threat.
21:56 Fixer i don't think so, he phrased it differently iirc
21:57 VanessaE well whoever it was failed :)
22:00 red-NaN VanessaE, let's make a baseless accusation and blame it on notch
22:01 VanessaE heh
22:01 red-NaN clearly he grew jealous of minetest and used his botnet of minecraft client that microsoft lets him keep due to it being in his contract
22:01 red-NaN clients*
22:02 VanessaE whoever it is doesn't realize I run xban2, have several admins, and if I have to, can drop whole class-A's at the firewall  :P
22:05 red-NaN botnet?
22:05 VanessaE even a botnet runs out of IPs eventually..
22:08 benrob0329 http://strangehorizons.com/non-fiction/articles​/installing-linux-on-a-dead-badger-users-notes/
22:08 red-NaN I wonder why someone would do that
22:08 red-NaN out of all the targets to DDoS
22:09 VanessaE https://daconcepts.com/vanessa/h​obbies/minetest/stats-daily.html
22:09 VanessaE bottom image of the set, all that lime green is VE-Building
22:10 VanessaE almost all of the "users" names were "fooNN", like "Jeff23" or "horatio35" or so
22:10 red-NaN oh so the DDos'ers used the minetest protocol
22:11 VanessaE yeah, actual client connections
22:11 red-NaN did they connect or just sent a the first few packets then start another connection?
22:12 red-NaN oh I see
22:14 VanessaE they signed on, walked around randomly, tried to dig, most of them getting stuck in corners or buildings
22:14 VanessaE so it's a bunch of headless minetest clients using the "random moves" test option I think
22:14 red-NaN lol so basicly 50% of moblie users
22:15 benrob0329 Heh
22:15 red-NaN well thats a pretty low effort attack
22:15 red-NaN probaly just trying to use up all the user slots
22:16 VanessaE heh
22:16 VanessaE yeah probably so
22:17 VanessaE correction
22:17 VanessaE they're "fooNNN" (three digits) but getting caught by my "too many digits in username" filter
22:17 VanessaE so they're re-trying with two digitsa.
22:17 VanessaE -a
22:18 red-NaN are all the ip's similar?
22:19 VanessaE no
22:19 VanessaE and now they're switching targets, one just tried my DB creative server
22:19 benrob0329 O_O
22:19 red-NaN huh maybe they are somehow using proxies?
22:20 VanessaE and now longerstaff13 is seeing something hitting his as well.
22:20 VanessaE I don't know.
22:20 nore VanessaE: just xban all of them *shrug*
22:20 VanessaE nore: I have been, but my servers don't share auth.txt or xban records, wish they would.
22:20 benrob0329 rsync?
22:21 VanessaE can't use that
22:21 benrob0329 Git?
22:21 VanessaE the xban mod (and engine) would need to know how to share the files.
22:21 VanessaE doesn't matter how they get copied.
22:21 benrob0329 Http requests?
22:21 VanessaE idk
22:21 red-NaN seems a bit unsophisticated for someone with a botnet
22:22 nore ^ hmm I could try to write a way for many servers to share auth records sometime
22:22 kaeza it would be nice to be able to send a pre-connection form of some sort to clients. this could be used to show a proper "register account" form with possible captcha-like functionality
22:22 red-NaN I mean for what you are saying they are running something close to a full client
22:22 VanessaE that would be nice
22:23 red-NaN form*
22:23 VanessaE nore: I'd like that.  all five of mine should use the same auth.txt, ban list, and xban records.
22:23 nore VanessaE: auth.txt is not so simple though
22:23 nore it contains privs IIRC
22:23 red-NaN ^
22:23 VanessaE nore: yeah I know.  but sharing uid/pw would be useful
22:24 nore yep
22:24 benrob0329 having your name/pword/skin shared across servers would be handy
22:24 red-NaN they should really be moved to the player info database
22:24 VanessaE (I realize that increases the attach surface some)
22:24 nore we could make an "auth server" and a way to ask for auth on the auth server instead
22:25 VanessaE ~tell tenplus1 [04-22 18:16] <Out`Of`Control> i have farming plus, with recent update no leaves are droped  <-- he means leaf decay.
22:25 ShadowBot VanessaE: Error: Missing ">".  You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
22:25 Fixer kek
22:25 VanessaE ~tell tenplus1 "[04-22 18:16] <Out`Of`Control> i have farming plus, with recent update no leaves are droped  <-- he means leaf decay. "
22:25 ShadowBot VanessaE: O.K.
22:25 * red-NaN summons nerzhul
22:26 red-NaN isn't there some way offical way to add a custom auth backend?
22:30 VanessaE *cough*
22:31 VanessaE dude, get that magic wand checked out, it's belching out smoke againm
22:31 VanessaE -m
22:31 benrob0329 **crickets**
22:31 VanessaE and idk about custom auth backends.
22:31 benrob0329 You used a magic wand to summon him?
22:32 benrob0329 Well there's your problem
22:32 VanessaE yeah, that's the one of his that he broke in half and tried to tape it back together
22:32 benrob0329 You obviously need to use psychic paper
22:32 VanessaE we've already seen the trouble one of those can cause. :)
22:34 benrob0329 We have?
22:35 * red-NaN uses time travel and them summons red-001
22:35 VanessaE benrob0329: surely you've seen Harry Potter?
22:36 benrob0329 wait, so you can send messages throughout time?
22:36 benrob0329 that's cute
22:36 * red-001 uses time travel and them summons red-NaN
22:36 benrob0329 VanessaE: nope, well I saw one, that was it
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22:37 VanessaE benrob0329: in one of the movies, maybe the second one, one character (Weasley?) broke his wand by accident.  taped it back together, but it always malfunctioned after that.
22:37 Jordach sounds like me_irl
22:37 benrob0329 ill stick to sonic screwdrivers :-)
22:38 VanessaE heh
22:38 red-NaN benrob0329, it's just a small violation of causality
22:38 benrob0329 a small bit
22:39 benrob0329 If people like you have time messages, we're all doomed
22:39 red-NaN well I'm not google they give up on something **just** beacuse it violates a few laws of phyiscs
22:40 benrob0329 Well, it violates our laws of physics
22:40 benrob0329 Simple way around that: don't be in our universe
22:41 benrob0329 aka, own a spacecraft that utilizes pockey dimentions for the interior
22:41 red-NaN we almost had teleportion but google gave up just because of a few fundamental laws of the universe
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22:43 red-NaN "The conversation eventually drifts to how the team had at one point debated the pros and cons of taking on teleportation. Yes, like in Star Trek. As with that show’s Transporter, the molecules of a person or thing could theoretically be “beamed” across a physical distance with the help of some kind of scanning technology and a teleportation device. None of which really ­exists, of course. Piponi, after some
22:43 red-NaN study, concluded that teleportation violates several laws of physics. "
22:43 * red-NaN thinks that this reached the off topic limit
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