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01:49 benrob0329 Mobile irc clients just aren't as robust as desktop ones
01:53 benrob0329 I mean, I can flippen enable airplane mode on my laptop and it'll stay connected (obviously turning it back off again quickly)
01:53 benrob0329 But moble clients, pfff
01:53 benrob0329 Your lucky if it stays connected whilst your sitting next to your router
01:54 VanessaE benrob0329: not to mention they love to disconnect if you switch to some other task for more than 1-2 mins
01:58 benrob0329 Anc they don't tell you about it
01:59 benrob0329 I just need to make a couple eathernet cables so I can plug my rpi back in
01:59 benrob0329 Use weechat-android
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02:14 benrob0329 Hi paramat
02:33 benrob0329 !ping
02:33 ShadowBot pong
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02:57 paramat Shara https://github.com/minetes​t/minetest_game/pull/1708
03:11 benrob0329 paramat: never noticed hoe contrasting they were
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03:14 benrob0329 Ugg
03:14 benrob0329 paramat: I think that iron blocks have a bit too much contrast imo
03:15 paramat steelblock?
03:15 benrob0329 Yes
03:16 benrob0329 It looks like steel plating right now
03:18 paramat you mean the edge has too high contrast?
03:18 benrob0329 Yes
03:18 paramat i somewhat agree
03:19 benrob0329 I tried to remove it a little while ago...lets just say I can't to textures ver well :P
03:47 paramat i'm not too keen on our metal block textures, they look old, dull and dirty, i prefer a clean, modern, shiny look
03:49 paramat they're by kilbith, tin block is too, at least they're consistent :]
03:50 paramat weird thing is he's not credited for them in docs
03:57 paramat i'll update my PR to do that
03:59 VanessaE well, MT is supposed to be somewhat rustic isn't it?
03:59 VanessaE so "old, dull" might be appropriate
04:00 VanessaE at least for steel and tin anyway.
04:06 paramat yeah i guess it is somewhat rustic (unfortunately for my tastes)
04:08 paramat so perhaps we can make gold clean and shiny at least
04:09 VanessaE yes
04:09 VanessaE probably bronze and copper too
04:40 benrob0329 shouldn't all textures look generally nice though?
04:40 benrob0329 I mean, why do I want to build with giant steel panels?
04:44 benrob0329 I think I've worked out a system for transitions
04:44 benrob0329 If its part of the same scene, half a second
04:44 benrob0329 If its a new scene, full second
04:45 benrob0329 If its the start/end of a video, 2 seconds (maybe)
05:27 benrob0329 !ping
05:27 ShadowBot pong
05:27 VanessaE ploink :)
05:28 benrob0329 Why is it that I have a tendancy to push video editors to the point of previewing at 1 fps?
05:29 VanessaE heh
05:29 VanessaE well if that's what it takes to get it to render super-quality video in the end, so be it :P
05:30 benrob0329 I kid you not, I have 16 gigs of ram, and 16 gigs of swap
05:30 benrob0329 Flowblade was using 98% of both
05:43 VanessaE wow
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05:52 benrob0329 Ohmygosh
05:52 benrob0329 Its rendering
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05:54 benrob0329 now to have ice cream in celebration!
06:00 benrob0329 http://imgur.com/a/SxpTV
06:06 benrob0329 Honestly, I pretty much need a video editor with a 2D animator tacked on
06:22 benrob0329
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08:05 benrob0329 Just some random thoughts:
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08:06 benrob0329 SCP Containment breach is one of the least optomised, most graphically unimpressive games ever
08:06 benrob0329 But the sound design is uncanny
08:07 benrob0329 It responds, flows with the environment
08:07 benrob0329 Something chasing you?
08:07 benrob0329 you'll probably know
08:07 benrob0329 event in game? Keep an open ear
08:07 benrob0329 It helps bring the game to life
08:08 benrob0329 Heck, the ambiant music even blends well
08:08 benrob0329 Minecraft also feels "alive"
08:08 benrob0329 the way things respond seems somehow "right"
08:09 benrob0329 Mobs and players get pushed back when hit
08:09 benrob0329 Not enough to make it annoying, just enough for smooth feedback
08:10 benrob0329 Items bounce up and down when dropped, as if they are just waiting, anticipating to be picked up
08:10 benrob0329 Buttons have a satisfying click, but not all buttons
08:11 benrob0329 Only important ones
08:11 * benrob0329 tries to think of another game to bring up
08:14 benrob0329 idk, its 4 in the morning
08:14 benrob0329 Basically what I'm trying to say is that yes, minetest needs the big things out of the way
08:15 benrob0329 But time needs to be taken for the little things too
08:15 benrob0329 If we want the game to be truly, honestly fun;
08:15 benrob0329 It needs to feel like its engaging the player
08:16 benrob0329 It needs to feel, alive
08:16 benrob0329 this can be done without mobs
08:16 benrob0329 But it needs to be done right
08:17 benrob0329 Make the game feel alive, and people will play it.
08:17 benrob0329 that's all, gnight
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08:38 paramat essentially, MT sucks :] (joking)
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08:44 tenplus1 hi folks
08:44 VanessaE hey
08:45 tenplus1 hi Vanessa
08:48 tenplus1 the new leafdecay system does seem to be giving some problems
08:49 tenplus1 especially when using default.dig_up()
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09:33 tenplus1 hi Krock
09:34 Krock hi tenplus1
09:36 tenplus1 is there any reason the minetest.dig_up() function stops nodetimers from working ?
09:36 Krock what? there's dig_up?
09:37 Krock tenplus1, that must be a custom function
09:37 tenplus1 when digging the bottom papyrus it uses dig_up to dig the rest above it... I use this for bamboo stalks but somehow the leafdecay doesnt activate for the leaves at the top
09:38 VanessaE did you register them with the leafdecay call?
09:38 tenplus1 yup
09:38 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest-mods/moretrees/co​mmit/2967c107d8e90a531ded53357e83ef904c3ea6cd
09:38 tenplus1 works fine when I dig the topmost bamboos talk, but not the bottom
09:38 VanessaE maybe there's something useful there.
09:39 tenplus1 default.register_leafdecay({trunks = {"ethereal:bamboo"}, leaves = {"ethereal:bamboo_leaves"}, radius = 1})
09:40 VanessaE looks right to me anyway
09:41 VanessaE though leaves are also in "leafdecay=1" group, at least in moretrees
09:41 VanessaE (and "leafdecat_drop=1" for the various fruits and cones)
09:41 tenplus1 same, ethereal is backwards compatible with 0.4.15
10:10 tenplus1 increased radius to 3, seems to work ok now but leaves only spawn 1 around stalk itself ?!?! weird
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10:14 tenplus1 hi Fixer
10:22 Krock tenplus1, apparently the first song I've seen on the infinite jukebox that can wrap around so easily: http://i.imgur.com/bq5f6Sa.png
10:23 tenplus1 ooh
10:23 Krock that's a real loop :D
10:23 tenplus1 havent seen that page in a while :P nice
10:23 Krock they disabled uploading songs but the old ones are still kept
10:23 tenplus1 must be running out of space
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10:40 tenplus1 hi Megaf
10:43 Shara Hello all
10:43 tenplus1 hi shara
10:44 Megaf Hello onety one
10:44 Megaf Hi Shara
10:45 tenplus1 :P
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11:03 tenplus1 hi cx384
11:06 cx384 hi tenplus1 (thank you :D)
11:07 tenplus1 :P
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11:36 tenplus1 am happy with knockback now :P will be adding to Xanadu
11:42 Megaf onetyone, did you fix all incompatibilities of farming vs bushes?
11:42 tenplus1 how do you mean ?
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11:43 tenplus1 hi Jordach
11:43 Jordach T+4 seconds
11:43 tenplus1 :P
11:44 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-04-23 07:44:05: [Server] Item "bushes:blueberry" not defined
11:44 Megaf <ERROR> 2017-04-23 07:44:09: [Server] Item "bushes:raspberry" not defined
11:44 Jordach F
11:44 Megaf When I did those bushes, instead of getting the fruit I get unknow item
11:44 Megaf <ACTION> 2017-04-23 07:41:57: [Server] Megaf digs bushes:blueberry_bush at (-30,1,124)
11:44 tenplus1 ? famring redo overrides farming plus items only, nothing else
11:45 Megaf hm
11:45 tenplus1 minetest.add_alias("bushes:blueberry", "farming:blueberry")
11:45 Megaf add this upstream please
11:46 tenplus1 link me the bushes mod you are using plz
11:46 Megaf <ACTION> 2017-04-23 07:46:22: [Server] Megaf uses bushes:gooseberry, pointing at [node under=-37,0,120 above=-37,1,120]
11:46 Megaf <ACTION> 2017-04-23 07:46:24: [Server] Megaf uses farming_plus:strawberry_item, pointing at [node under=-37,0,120 above=-37,1,120]
11:46 Megaf <ACTION> 2017-04-23 07:46:26: [Server] Megaf uses bushes:blackberry, pointing at [node under=-37,0,120 above=-37,1,120]
11:46 Megaf thats a mess anyway
11:46 Megaf I remember I had problems with that way back
11:47 Megaf but we never finished fixing everything
11:47 Megaf tenplus1, is from VanessaE''s mod
11:47 Megaf its been almost a year already
11:47 Megaf or more. I dont know
11:48 tenplus1 plantlife modpack, bushes ?
11:49 Megaf yep
11:50 tenplus1 so instead of using it's own fruit it alias' farming plus fruits which is messy in it's own...
11:51 tenplus1 so I gotta add a check for bushes mod, and alias' for strawebrry, raspberry and blueberry items
11:54 tenplus1 ok, farming redo doesnt have strawberries, but ethereal mod does so when running both together it'll use ethereal strawberries as an alias for farming plus one's
11:54 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/GbJoIHW.jpg deja vy
11:57 Megaf what about his mom?
11:57 Megaf his mom loves him
11:57 Megaf and his sister
11:57 Megaf and, his grandmother!
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11:57 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/dM7YXVH.jpg
11:58 Megaf if he was looking at the plane it would be better
11:58 Megaf terrible photoshop skills...
11:58 Megaf I do better on inkscape
11:59 Megaf what I have been doing lately http://megaf.imgur.com/all/
11:59 Jordach >Unfortunately, there's nothing to see here.
11:59 Jordach me_irl
12:01 tenplus1 Megaf: bushes_classic compatibility added (if ethereal found it'll use strawberry alias, otherwise raspberries, and rasp and blueberries alias set also)
12:04 tenplus1 bushes_classic SHOULD have a check if farming_plus is running, if not then it defines and uses it's own fruit items
12:04 Jordach ~tell paramat http://imgur.com/a/jGt5H
12:04 ShadowBot Jordach: O.K.
12:05 sfan5 Jordach: i see you subscribe to /r/minecraft too
12:05 Jordach or do it
12:05 tenplus1 hi sfan
12:05 sfan5 when biomes o' plenty port for mt
12:05 sfan5 ? :D
12:05 Jordach sfan5, fuck it
12:05 Jordach write a lua mapgen that doesn't suck balls like v5, v7, valleys
12:06 tenplus1 is that what that was ???  nice...  ethereal has a long way to go :D
12:19 Megaf why dont we have a distcc+ccache thing for all of us maintained by us?
12:19 Megaf to build minetest
12:19 tenplus1 ?
12:20 Megaf tenplus1, distcc is a distributed compiler, it automatically share the load of compilation across two or more machine
12:20 tenplus1 ohh, gotcha :P
12:20 Megaf tenplus1, ccache caches already compiled files so you dont have to compile again
12:20 Megaf you can make both work together
12:21 Megaf the workflow will be almost identical in the developer side
12:22 Megaf https://debian-administration.org/article/​129/Speeding_up_recompilation_with_ccache
12:22 tenplus1 sharing the load would be handy
12:22 Megaf https://debian-administration.org/article/1​12/Speed_up_compiling_software_with_distcc
12:23 Megaf and you can set priority levels to it. so it dont eat your CPU when you want to play minetest :)
12:23 tenplus1 last night's changelog was over 600kb... mundo changes
12:23 tenplus1 glad the fine pointing was fixed with slab./doors
12:24 tenplus1 wish the entity unmount changes were added
12:26 tenplus1 also find_node_near bool addition
12:29 Calinou hi
12:29 Calinou back from Godot meetup (which happened yesterday) :P
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12:31 tenplus1 wb
12:34 Megaf_ thanks
12:35 nerzhul players into database is now merged
12:36 nerzhul celeron55, can we have TLS in wiki.minetest.net?
12:36 tenplus1 hi nrz
12:37 celeron55 nerzhul: soon; i did already configure acme-client for one site on the VPS
12:37 nerzhul okay :)
12:37 nerzhul hi tenplus1
12:37 celeron55 my general to-do list is just like 1000 lines long
12:38 Jordach isn't everyones? ;)
12:38 celeron55 so roll your dice for where that's going on the list
12:39 tenplus1 *cough* https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5622 and https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5255
12:44 nerzhul celeron55, lol
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12:53 Jordach >sfan5 is playing CS:GO
12:53 Jordach silver scrub
12:53 sfan5 no u
12:53 sfan5 gn3
12:53 Jordach >not GE
12:54 Jordach gtfo P90 scrub
12:54 sfan5 ikr
12:54 Calinou relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejkHVAgzQ7U
12:55 Calinou the comments <"
12:55 Calinou the comments <3*
12:55 Jordach ayyyyy ahoy
12:56 Jordach literally the best presentation and voice i've ever seen
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13:00 Calinou Jordach: yeah, always great to see and heaar
13:02 Jordach just like Techmoan
13:03 tenplus1 hi rubenwardy
13:04 rubenwardy hi tenplus1
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13:21 tenplus1 hi octacian
13:22 octacian hey tenplus1
13:28 tenplus1 back laters
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13:34 Jordach ~tell paramat http://accidentalnoise.sourcef​orge.net/minecraftworlds.html
13:34 ShadowBot Jordach: O.K.
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13:47 benrob0329 o/
13:50 Jordach hi benrob0329
13:51 benrob0329 Hi Jordach, its been..how long?
13:51 benrob0329 5 mins?
13:52 Jordach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-rfBsWmo0M
13:56 benrob0329 DECEARING EGG!!
13:58 Jordach OOOOOOH
13:58 Jordach OOOOHHHHHH
13:58 Jordach OpenShot 2.x for Windows x64
13:58 Jordach MOM GET THE CAMERA
13:59 Jordach http://github.com/OpenShot/openshot-qt/releases/
13:59 Jordach OpenShot-v2.3.1-x86_64.exe
14:00 benrob0329 ITS ABOUT FRKING TIME!!
14:00 benrob0329 heh
14:00 benrob0329 I've been waiting for that for years
14:01 * Jordach can finally toss the pirated vegas in the trash
14:01 benrob0329 Have they fixed the memory leak?
14:01 Jordach no idea
14:01 Jordach it's a rewrite in QT5
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14:02 benrob0329 If they have, then I can add it to my duck taped arsenal of death
14:03 benrob0329 Aka ~5 different video editors, WinFF, Blender, MediaInfo, and Youtube-dl
14:04 benrob0329 Btw Kdenlive had a Windows release a while ago
14:04 Krock youtube-dl is an _editor_ ?
14:04 sfan5 winff is not an editor either
14:04 sfan5 mediainfo is not an editor
14:10 benrob0329 No, and yes
14:11 benrob0329 ~5 editors AND a few other tools
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14:15 benrob0329 Hi nerzhul
14:17 nerzhul hi
14:21 Jordach m e o w
14:27 benrob0329 meow meow like a cow
14:36 octacian How can I light up a specific position without actually placing/changing the node?
14:36 benrob0329 setting param1?
14:38 benrob0329 it'll be undone on a light update though
14:45 Jordach wat
14:45 Jordach losing vocie
14:45 Jordach blegblegl
14:45 Jordach can't ever type3
14:46 * Jordach autistically screeeches
14:47 red-NaN ?
14:47 Jordach i suck at typing recently
14:48 red-NaN who is cx384 anyway>
14:48 red-NaN ?
14:50 benrob0329 https://youtu.be/K7Hn1rPQouU
14:51 benrob0329 I'm dying
14:51 benrob0329 (Of laughter)
14:51 Jordach is that NCIS or another one of those shows
14:51 Jordach pretty sure it was that writer dude
14:51 Jordach (going by memory of the title)
14:53 red-NaN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU
14:53 Jordach >CSI
14:53 Jordach thanks quassel preview
14:54 benrob0329 Heh...hheheheh
14:54 benrob0329 Can I slap Hollywood?
14:55 red-NaN youtu.be/y6120QOlsfU is the closest hollywood got yet
14:55 Jordach needs https
14:56 benrob0329 Needs salt
14:57 red-NaN Darude saltstorm?
14:57 Jordach DUDUDUDU
14:57 red-NaN https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_storm
14:59 benrob0329 (Language) https://youtu.be/xh3Wveg4DMk
15:00 red-NaN I though it would be that song by some guy called rick
15:01 benrob0329 Heh, naw just a funny movie dub
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15:14 octacian benrob0329: How do I set param1? Do you think it'd be suitable for a light that moves with the player to illuminate where he is currently standing?
15:21 shivajiva octacian: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=36928 https://github.com/minetest-mods/torches 2 examples of walking light
15:23 octacian shivajiva: Yep, those both use the method of placing a node AFAIK.
15:23 octacian Works, but I was hoping to be able to do it without changing the node...
15:25 shivajiva I just checked and they do use node swap, my bad
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15:45 benrob0329 octacian: I'm not sure, id assume it would be done the same way as setting param2
15:45 benrob0329 Perhaps the screwdriver mod
15:46 benrob0329 Might be worth looking at
15:46 octacian Yeah, I will
15:47 benrob0329 node.param2
15:47 benrob0329 perhaps node.param would do it?
15:49 sfan5 i'm pretty sure you can't just set param1 on a random node like that
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15:49 benrob0329 it'd sure be handy sometimes
15:53 * Jordach wonders if Calinou voted today
15:54 benrob0329 I have 101 views on my tardis pre alpha announcement
15:54 benrob0329 Wtf
15:55 benrob0329 that's double my lp videos
15:55 benrob0329 Wait, those have 70, 80 views now
15:55 benrob0329 but those are months old
15:57 benrob0329 that's over half the views of the epicness of etheral in like, less than 1/4 the time
15:58 benrob0329 For a one minute video
15:59 red-NaN talking about voting isn't the french election or something like that soon?
16:00 benrob0329 RIP Logic, 4000 BCE - 2016 CE
16:00 red-NaN bit generous there
16:01 benrob0329 Probably
16:02 benrob0329 then again, my crap vids from when I first started doing youtube have more views than all my videos from the past 6 months combined
16:07 Jordach kek
16:07 nerzhul http://xproger.info/projects/OpenLara/
16:10 Jordach fuck me
16:10 Jordach classic PSX era games native to a browser
16:13 * Jordach has motivation
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16:22 * benrob03291 is waiting for old instance to time out
16:24 * benrob0329 wants the blender vse to figure it's crap out and become a proper video editor
16:26 Jordach >expecting blender to do things right
16:26 Jordach LUL
16:26 benrob0329 Well, it does things more correctly than some
16:27 Jordach i know more keyboard combos in blender than i do for windows
16:27 Jordach (gimp, aseprite etc)
16:27 benrob0329 But like, transform should be combined with base offset
16:27 benrob0329 And the compositer should be usable as a vse strip
16:28 benrob0329 Or the vse in the compositot
16:28 benrob0329 *or
16:28 benrob0329 Also, performance
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16:29 benrob0329 Right now, blender could be the most powerful video editor money can't buy
16:29 benrob0329 But they just dony focus on it
16:31 Jordach >blender
16:31 Jordach >powerful
16:31 Jordach ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhah​ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
16:32 benrob0329 > confused
16:34 Jordach 75.6 hrs last two weeks / Blender
16:34 Jordach *REEEEEE*
16:35 benrob0329 Jordach, you're not making any gosh darn sense right now
16:35 Jordach benrob0329, paid blender work
16:35 Jordach steams been counting for me
16:36 benrob0329 O_O paaaaiiidd?
16:38 * red-NaN wonders if it's too soon to make "will it blend" jokes
16:39 benrob0329 But the question is, will it blend?
16:39 benrob0329 Dadada da da
16:39 red-NaN will will it blend blend?
16:40 benrob0329 will blender blend a blender blended wil blender?
16:40 benrob0329 *with
16:41 red-NaN -> #crimes_against_the_english_language
16:42 Jordach *REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE*
16:42 benrob0329 > excessiveunderscores
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16:47 benrob0329 Hi Megaf_
16:47 Megaf_ Heya benrob0329
16:48 benrob0329 what's up?
16:54 Megaf_ lets see
16:54 Megaf_ !server Megaf
16:54 ShadowBot Megaf_: server [--{name,address,ip,players,ping,port} <value>]
16:54 Megaf_ !server Megaf
16:54 ShadowBot Megaf_: server [--{name,address,ip,players,ping,port} <value>]
16:54 Megaf_ eh
16:54 Megaf_ the bot here is different, there's that
16:54 Megaf_ :P
16:54 Megaf_ benrob0329, going for a run in some minutes
16:55 Megaf_ I want to see if I can make around 20 KM today :)
16:55 Megaf_ Friday I ran 9.3 KM and I was fine.
16:55 benrob0329 Wow, thays quite a bit
16:55 benrob0329 Id just fall over after a little while
16:55 Megaf_ 20 it is. It would brake all my records if I make it
16:59 Megaf_ I will be with good music at least. Gonna be listening to Daft Punk :D
17:34 benrob0329 !ping
17:34 ShadowBot pong
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17:47 tenplus1 hi folks
17:49 Krock hi tenplus1
17:49 tenplus1 hi Krock :P
17:50 Calinou Jordach: yep, I did
17:50 Jordach inb4 Le Pen landslide
17:50 Calinou votes end in 10 minutes
17:51 tenplus1 ??
17:51 Calinou we have results in 10-15 minutes too
17:51 Calinou tenplus1: French presidential elections
17:51 Calinou this is the first time I went voting
17:51 tenplus1 ohhhh
17:52 Krock Calinou, you should go voting more often
17:53 Krock I don't want to see the pen as president
17:53 Krock US-bing-bong is already enough for the moment
17:54 Calinou I wasn't 18 before
17:55 Krock oh
17:57 Jordach Krock, you don't have a horse even in the EU
17:57 Jordach you're neutral ffs
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17:58 Krock "horse"? huh
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17:59 * Jordach meows at paramat
17:59 tenplus1 wb octacian, hi paramat
17:59 paramat thanks for the link will read
18:00 CWz i wonder if at any point  in time during the long rich history of horse back ridding, did horse ever snap in to when a heavy rider hopped onto it's back.
18:01 * CWz googles
18:01 CWz ello Tenplus1-san
18:03 benrob0329 Hi tenplus1, paramat, Calinou, Krock, CWz
18:04 Calinou results are here btw
18:04 tenplus1 hi CWz, hi ben
18:04 Krock o/ benrob0329
18:04 * CWz hides behind a conveniently shaped candle
18:04 Calinou Macron 23.0%, Le Pen 23.0%, Fillon 19.0%, Mélenchon 19.0%
18:04 Calinou so, 4 candidates are almost equal, two by two
18:04 Calinou also, a candidate has currently 0.0%
18:05 sfan5 macron on the same level as lepen
18:05 sfan5 fff
18:05 CWz Uh,  what are you talking about
18:05 CWz sounds political
18:05 benrob0329 French elections
18:05 tenplus1 sodium 8%, invert sugar syrup 16%
18:05 benrob0329 Heh
18:06 CWz New alt account getting selected for Prime minister
18:06 CWz ?
18:07 CWz Obama was just a reskin of bush, and Trump was just a defected copy of Obama
18:08 CWz maybe not, Trump actully did exist prior to the elections; on the other hand Obama, never heard of them prior to him being chosen as an elective guy
18:09 CWz this can only mean one thing,
18:09 tenplus1 he's a robot /
18:10 VanessaE nono, he's from the future duh
18:10 tenplus1 ehehe
18:10 CWz No, it means Obama was created in lab and given false history, either that or he was just a nobody
18:10 benrob0329 what ide does everyone use for C/++ ?
18:10 tenplus1 mousepad
18:10 benrob0329 Kek
18:10 sfan5 Calinou: german television says on twitter that macron is ahead of lepen
18:10 sfan5 benrob0329: gedit
18:11 nore sfan5: yeah, he is
18:11 CWz Maybe there never really was an US president
18:11 * nore is depressed about the results
18:11 tenplus1 who won ?
18:11 Jordach what's wrong, nore
18:12 CWz was a "Trump" elected as prime minister for france
18:12 CWz ?
18:12 VanessaE I know nothing about French politics, except that one of the guys who's running is the French counterpart to Bernie Sanders, and had a reasonable chance of winning.  hope he does (or too bad if he didn't)
18:12 nore Jordach: well, for the second round we have the choice between a xenophobic president or one that is the candidate of the banks
18:13 Calinou benrob0329: CLion, or Visual Studio Code for small edits (in any language)
18:13 nore VanessaE: nope, it's Mélenchon and that's why I'm depressed
18:13 Calinou JetBrains IDEs are not free and open source, but nothing is better :(
18:13 tenplus1 cant you vote for "none of the above" and have new candiates
18:13 Calinou (I have a student license, so they're free for me, all of them :P)
18:13 Jordach nore, take the one who isn't going to sell everything or privatize it
18:13 Calinou they're also Java-based, but they're not that slow on good machines
18:13 VanessaE nore: do you have a process in place to oust a bad choice later?
18:13 Calinou (though something C++/Qt would likely be a bit faster)
18:13 nore Jordach: ehm, that's none of the two I think
18:13 CWz Who's Bernie Sanders, is he a bro or a jerk
18:13 Jordach CWz, a communist
18:13 VanessaE CWz:  a democratic socialist
18:13 Jordach fucking commies
18:14 nore VanessaE: no. that's one of the things Mélenchon wanted to introduce though
18:14 VanessaE he's the "we're all in this together, we all gotta pay for it" guy, basically
18:14 Jordach VanessaE, yet he owns a audi supercar and three mansions
18:14 Jordach :thinking:
18:14 CWz So does it mean he is a good or a bad guy?
18:14 VanessaE nore: your legislative branch doesn't have something similar to Articles of Impeachment?
18:14 Krock Bernie Sanders is the good USA-future that nobody saw
18:14 Jordach neither of any he paid for :thinking:
18:14 VanessaE Jordach: [citation needed]
18:15 CWz VanessaE-sama!
18:15 nore Macron is the kind of guy who wants to raise the taxes for the poor people and lower those for the rich ones, to make workers conditions even worse, etc
18:15 * tenplus1 woulda voted Bernie if I was US citizen...  could see he was for the ppl
18:15 sfan5 nore: would you prefer le pen over macron?
18:15 nore sfan5: certainly not
18:15 VanessaE nore: oh, so like every US republican ever.
18:15 CWz wha would Macron do that, is he fucking stupid?
18:15 Jordach https://twitter.com/CMSAF12​/status/855249202233962497 VanessaE
18:16 VanessaE Jordach: a twitter post from a hater?  um, no
18:16 sfan5 "why not move to europe?" to an american politician
18:16 nore CWz: you can say that about 3 of the 4 candidates who had a chance unfortunately
18:16 sfan5 :thinking:
18:16 Jordach https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/rel​iable-source/wp/2016/08/10/bernie-sande​rs-buys-a-half-million-dollar-vacation-​home-and-the-internet-cries-hypocrisy/
18:16 Jordach shit rag VanessaE
18:16 Jordach from the dems mouthpiece
18:16 red-NaN well shit someone said it on twitter
18:16 red-NaN must be true
18:17 Krock red-NaN, related: http://imgur.com/gallery/NQyUy
18:17 sfan5 politics
18:17 nore well, *shrug*
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18:17 nore going to watch Ponyo of the cliff by the sea to avoid depression now
18:17 VanessaE Jordach: I don't see the problem.
18:17 tenplus1 wb ben
18:17 VanessaE the man's a democratic socialist, not a communist :P
18:17 benrob0329 Ty
18:17 VanessaE "the home is 1800 square feet"
18:18 VanessaE for fuck sake, my house is 1536.
18:18 VanessaE my mom's house was ~2200.  that is NOT a mansion by any stretch
18:19 red-NaN so did americans have a better choice?
18:19 nore we have like 2 candidates accused of fraud
18:19 VanessaE red-NaN: they did.
18:19 VanessaE Bernie.
18:19 VanessaE and failing him, Hillary
18:19 nore Macron is believed to have cheated on his tax declaration as well
18:19 red-NaN trump has intersting links to putin and is rich as f***
18:19 Jordach VanessaE, and when commisar cletus and commisar jamal come knocking...
18:19 * sfan5 puts on a CD with classical music
18:19 VanessaE red-NaN: HELL, I would have been happy-ish with any of the republican candidate other than trump, and I'm definitely no fan of that party.
18:20 VanessaE Jordach: again, socialist != communist..
18:20 Krock sfan5, nightcore isn't considered as classical <.<
18:21 sfan5 Krock: is this classical https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kQZHYbZkLs
18:21 VanessaE sfan5: look up "Back in Time" (the C64 CD series, not the Huey Lewis song :P )
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18:22 Jordach here's a cat
18:22 Jordach https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/C-HQh60U0AACx8B.jpg:large
18:22 Krock sfan5, the one from Simon & Garfunkel sounds better IMO
18:22 Jordach sfan5, https://pbs.twimg.com/media​/C9kteMZUIAACiNP.jpg:large meow
18:22 Krock needs voice!
18:22 red-NaN even if bernie is a communist he is hardly the stalin apologist kind
18:22 CWz Macron is Tump
18:22 Krock Jordach, quick, make a MTB pull
18:23 Jordach Krock, https://twitter.com/CharweeMonster
18:23 VanessaE red-NaN: exactly, but Americans have this illogical aversion to "socialism" and "communism" and any variants of them
18:23 Jordach Freedom is worth the price it pays
18:23 Jordach best work is produced when you get paid for it
18:23 Jordach shitty work is produced when you don't
18:23 red-NaN and Putin is
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18:24 shivajiva didn't Trump borrow money from Russia when the west wouldn't bankroll him :)
18:24 tenplus1 hi Fixer
18:24 sfan5 VanessaE: in the sense of "communism = the russians = bad" ?
18:24 red-NaN ^
18:24 CWz That's what you get when you name your president after a duck
18:24 tenplus1 wait, isnt he a very rich man... ?  why would he need russian funding ?
18:25 Jordach tenplus1, yes
18:25 red-NaN I mean I don't support commuism
18:25 Jordach built his own fortune
18:25 red-NaN it doesn't work
18:25 CWz communism isn't good for the community
18:25 Jordach http://www.politico.eu/article/france-el​ection-2017-russia-hacked-cyberattacks/
18:26 Jordach AYY LMAO
18:26 red-NaN you tend to just give power to people like stalin
18:26 Jordach AYYY LMAO
18:26 shivajiva http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/u​s-politics/richard-dearlove-mi6-trump-russia-money​-2008-financial-crisis-us-election-a7684341.html
18:26 Jordach >muh russia
18:26 red-NaN but then democracy and capitalism can end up with the trainwreak that is trump
18:26 VanessaE sfan5: yes, more or less, or today I suppose people equate it to China rather than Russia. same difference.
18:27 CWz China and Russia are best chums
18:27 red-NaN good thing trump doesn't own a rail company
18:27 VanessaE tenplus1: of course he's rich, how do you think he stays rich?  He spends other peoples' money of course.
18:27 sfan5 does he own an oil company
18:28 Jordach you can't buy someone if they're already rich ;)
18:28 * tenplus1 runs for President of the World
18:28 CWz red-NaN, becouse it would be a major derailment for the American dream
18:28 red-NaN best way to get richer is to already be rich
18:30 benrob0329 >political crap
18:30 VanessaE the only things I know about being rich is that the rich pay a lower tax percent than I do, you don't stay rich by spending your own money, and what you DO spend your money on is ridiculously opulent compared to anything else.  beyond, that, meh.  no clue.
18:30 tenplus1 I'd only need 1 million to live the rest of my natural life like a prince
18:31 CWz prince don't live for very long
18:31 benrob0329 At least Bill Gates didn't run for pres
18:31 red-NaN so if trump screws everyone over we know it was for his own benfit and not someone else's?
18:31 CWz they become kings at somepoint
18:31 CWz benrob0329, he'd probably make the windows XP startup theme into the natinal anthem
18:32 benrob0329 LOL
18:32 CWz Windows 98 memorial day
18:33 CWz Using Linux = as bad as drug use
18:33 VanessaE red-NaN: more or less, though others may benefit as a side effect.
18:33 red-NaN well thats a comforting thought
18:34 CWz A lot of people misheard him, he actually said: Let's make America's Grave again
18:35 CWz da same thing happened with starwars and "No, I am your father"
18:35 benrob0329 *sigh*
18:35 red-NaN huh you say a bit under half the population misheard him
18:36 benrob0329 Conservatives complain about Obama, liberals don't care
18:36 red-NaN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD1TVZ47xZY
18:37 red-NaN I promise it's not rick ashly
18:37 benrob0329 Liberals complain about Trump, conservatives don't care
18:37 benrob0329 Sounds familiar
18:37 CWz I have a crazy plan, we need to elect one of the core devs as president, that way the presidential salary could go into better use, like feeding the starving sever owners and devs
18:38 Jordach benrob0329, conservatives usually have 9-5 jobs
18:38 red-NaN Can I haz president?
18:38 CWz /grant red-NaN president
18:39 red-NaN /grantme all
18:39 Krock CWz, what are you even trying?  /give red-NaN president
18:39 red-NaN /ban *
18:39 tenplus1 lolol
18:39 Krock also, rick astley ends with Q
18:39 Krock (in the URL)
18:40 Krock or M, if you see this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMyqQWcAuKM
18:40 red-NaN /shutdown 0 false why did you people vote for me
18:40 CWz <--- confused
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18:40 tenplus1 hi lumidify
18:41 lumidify Hi tenplus1
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18:48 tenplus1 wb rubenwardy
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19:07 Calinou https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejkHVAgzQ7U - the top comment xD
19:08 Calinou (the P90 video I posted this afternoon)
19:22 shivajiva ROFL
19:23 tenplus1 Xanadu now has player knock-back added to server for testing, we really need that entity detach pull added
19:26 tenplus1 plz plz plz plz devs : https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5622
19:29 shivajiva it's being looked at carefully, need to make sure no errors are introduced by merging it
19:30 tenplus1 :3
19:59 Fixer Jordach: what FTB pack you said you played?
20:03 Jordach er
20:03 Jordach waii
20:10 red-NaN oh neat you can set the forum to hid certain users posts by default
20:10 red-NaN hide*
20:11 tenplus1 ooh
20:12 red-NaN I wish there was a way to ignore offtopic
20:32 tenplus1 nite all
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20:32 Jordach GET SUM
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20:44 shivajiva seen how it's ended?
20:46 Amaz ?
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20:49 shivajiva wrong window =)
20:49 Amaz :)
20:49 shivajiva just following #minetest
20:49 Amaz Ah, that drama :P
20:51 shivajiva surreal
20:51 Amaz Here we go again *sigh*
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21:08 Fixer [fuck]
21:08 Fixer [sneak can be enabled]
21:08 sfan5 i believe you meant [blyat]
21:11 Fixer [i don't swear IRL]
21:11 sfan5 doesn't mean you can't use your native language ;)
21:11 Fixer not my native
21:11 Jordach c h e e k i  b r e e k i
21:12 sfan5 your native lang is not ukrainian?
21:12 red-001 pretty sure blyat is russian
21:12 Fixer blyat is russian word
21:12 red-001 ukrian and russian are not that similar
21:12 sfan5 oh thought you'd use it too
21:12 Fixer ukraine has poland analogue
21:12 Fixer we use both
21:12 Jordach neeeat
21:13 Jordach people taking SM64 apart byte by vyte
21:13 Fixer this is bad kind of offtopic now
21:13 Jordach it's minetest, of course we have offtopic when it's a slow day
21:14 rubenwardy could be more offtopic
21:14 sfan5 its always a slow day isnt it
21:15 rubenwardy could be talking about actual completely irrelevant things like sneak
21:15 * Jordach keks
21:15 Fixer sneak can be enabled via mod
21:15 sfan5 snek
21:15 Fixer 3 lines long iirc
21:15 Jordach how about we put sneak in a box
21:15 Jordach and push into fucking orbit and leave it there
21:16 sfan5 http://i.imgur.com/RO1yCos.jpg
21:16 Fixer server owners will decide to use it or not
21:16 Jordach the sneak argument needs to cool off in cold vacuum
21:16 sfan5 also relevant http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/ima​ges/original/001/017/890/426.png
21:16 Jordach deport kebab
21:17 Jordach Minetest -hub should be the staging ground for new _game content, as well as discussing the engine PRs more publicly
21:18 Jordach i don't mean implementing new features, i mean testing it properly
21:18 Fixer i hope so
21:18 sfan5 yes make biomes great again
21:18 Fixer do you have anything to stage in?
21:18 Jordach Fixer, it's ***** *****
21:18 Jordach take a guess
21:18 Fixer MTG is still a sandbox, decision must be made about the future of it
21:19 Fixer will it be Minetest Sandbox / Minetest Survival games...
21:19 Jordach in about a year when MCW10 ed catches up, MS will kill it
21:19 Jordach (the java one)
21:19 red-001 dunno they spent a lot on money on mc
21:20 Jordach yes, to make it less of a shithole
21:20 Fixer Jordach: har har... someone will write a proper launcher for it or whatever
21:20 red-001 surely they know that mods are the only reason so many people still care about MC
21:20 Jordach Notch's existing code is so much spaghetti that you can make so many meals to feed the homeless
21:21 Fixer i'm more interested in minetest future
21:21 Fixer minetest game future
21:21 Jordach yes
21:21 Fixer it is stuck more or less in sandbox territory
21:21 red-001 there is a mythical creature called good code
21:21 Jordach but relying on MTG to progress is expecting a dyslexic to win a spelling contest
21:22 red-001 no one has yet witnessed it
21:22 Fixer (?) split it in two: sandbox (current) and full blown survival (current + mobs + ambience/weather + automation + advanced (?))
21:23 Jordach Fixer, i'm actually going to expand Solar Plains into not only a game, but to fix builtin
21:23 Fixer with automation you can finally utilise that ores you mine
21:23 Jordach (builtin as in main menu)
21:24 Fixer right now we have next new ore - TIN, with Bronze - those are two literally useless metals
21:24 Jordach a good coat of paint and a proper functional main menu might do wonders
21:24 Jordach why not use the existing auth handler to save a servers password locally
21:25 sfan5 <Jordach> a good coat of paint and a proper functional main menu might do wonders
21:25 sfan5 agree 100%
21:25 Jordach with shit like that you can add a button with a new main menu called rejoin last connected server
21:25 Jordach and play last selected singleplayer world
21:25 Fixer whats wrong with main menu? i know you can merge few tabs and get rid of some others...
21:25 Jordach Fixer, the whole fucking thing
21:25 Jordach get rid of fucking tabs
21:26 Jordach and use a true and tested button system
21:27 Fixer calculatrice
21:27 Fixer now this KEKS me a lot
21:28 Jordach we had a perfect chance with Kenney, and your moral high ground of "muh FOSS" killed it
21:28 Fixer not actually kek but interesting to note some similiratity with word I used in school
21:28 Jordach you've had plenty of chances to improve MT, and blew the lot because of neckbeardy FOSS-ness
21:29 Fixer Jordach: engine improved a lot, the problem is MTG
21:29 Jordach Fixer, it's both and you know it
21:29 sofar neckbeardy FOSS-ness
21:29 sofar heh
21:29 red-001 lol
21:29 Jordach goddamn licensing zealots
21:29 * sofar cheers on jordach
21:29 Jordach go suck stallmans fucking cock if you want
21:29 Fixer also, I wonder WTF with SUBgames... we want actual games for minetest, not just subgames for minetest_game
21:30 Jordach Fixer, oh look at me, the one person doing something about it
21:30 red-001 Jordach, I would watch out I heard stallman has a samuri sword
21:30 Fixer Jordach: but will it be included with the game?
21:30 * Jordach did get hired to make blender models for dosh
21:30 Jordach Fixer, that remains to be seen
21:31 red-001 https://i1.wp.com/imgs.xkc​d.com/blag/rms_katana.jpg
21:31 Jordach about as sharp as the bevel on a CRT
21:31 Jordach Fixer, https://github.com/Jordach/Solar_Plains​/blob/master/mods/hydrolics/init.lua#L4
21:31 Jordach technic like machines but with a super super quirky power system
21:32 Jordach for basic machines
21:32 Jordach (more advanced have their own separate sort)
21:33 red-001 intersting
21:33 rubenwardy I like that this community is so foss
21:33 rubenwardy means that you can modify and fix any of the mods
21:34 rubenwardy without stupid eulas, or worse - no source
21:34 Jordach rubenwardy, and it kneecaps potential developers (and commercial improvements) in the process
21:34 rubenwardy nope
21:34 Jordach see how many fucks are given with Forge
21:34 Jordach open or not
21:34 rubenwardy I'm not against proprietary subgames etc
21:34 red-001 linux seems to get a good bit of commerical support
21:35 Jordach and where would the world be without commercial support
21:35 Jordach there's a thing called nescessary evils
21:36 paramat kenney left because he was generally unhappy with the engine, it wasn't licensing
21:36 rubenwardy ^
21:36 paramat and MT can be good without changing licensing
21:36 Jordach and was that a wake up call to pull your finger out or not?
21:37 rubenwardy we're not paid for this
21:37 Fixer btw, look at endless sky game, totally open source, sales on steam with nice reviewes
21:37 rubenwardy we all have other commitments, and can't invest enough time
21:37 red-001 looks like OC got more ips
21:37 paramat we work very hard on MT
21:38 red-001 doesn't seem to understand the idea behind ignore
21:38 Jordach paramat, Fixer money is the best motivator ;)
21:38 Fixer if there is limited time, there needs to be more people in MTG, with best mods and modders in deving it
21:40 paramat most of us are here because it is not about money and commercial stuff
21:40 Jordach paramat, doing it for fun is justifiable
21:41 paramat and your ego and superiority complex is amazing, i can't take it seriously :]
21:41 Jordach paramat, learn that anger is basically the second best motivator
21:41 Jordach get pissed off and you'll find how much it helps
21:43 Fixer you are lucky if pissed off person can code
21:43 Jordach Fixer, then channel it
21:43 Jordach or ask Cave Johnson
21:43 rubenwardy there's a difference between pissed off and annoyed
21:45 Jordach and like another proverb, use it or lose it
21:46 sofar anger isn't a good long-term motivator
21:46 sofar short term, maybe
21:47 sofar but long term it needs to morph into something else otherwise you're more likely to walk away (ragequit)
21:47 NathanS21 5
21:47 NathanS21 sorry, wrong keyboard.
21:48 shivajiva negative energy isn't creative it's destructive short or long term imo
21:51 Fixer when i go underwater in glass tunnel observing blinking everywhere i'm pissed off and annoyed at the same time
21:52 paramat hehe
22:02 sofar FYI, for those running minetest media servers
22:02 sofar I've made a new media server tool that makes deployment a LOT easier
22:02 sofar single program to do all the parts needed
22:02 sofar I'd like reviews and testers
22:02 sofar https://github.com/sofar/mtmediasrv
22:02 sofar https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=14&amp;t=17411
22:03 sofar binary releases are available for linux, but I can probably make other OS builds as well (easily)
22:11 rubenwardy sounds good
22:12 garywhite media servers?
22:13 rubenwardy garywhite, remote media, makes loading faster
22:13 rubenwardy media is loaded over http
22:16 garywhite I see
22:17 paramat can anyone kick iaamfriend200 in minetest?
22:21 Shara Seems all the channels need more ops at the moment...
22:27 garywhite All the channels?
22:27 garywhite I think there's plenty in here
22:28 Shara Here is fine.
22:28 Shara There was no one fighting in here so far. :)
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23:00 octacian What's the difference between default.grow_apple_tree and default.grow_new_apple_tree?
23:03 paramat mgv6 appletree created using LVM or new design appletree schematic
23:04 paramat schematics cannot recreate the mgv6 appletree
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23:04 octacian Yep, just figured it out.
23:04 octacian paramat: so, how do I create a schematic with the tree for my subgame?
23:08 benrob0329 Jordach: Minetest-Gamma is supposed to be a sort of staging ground
23:09 benrob0329 Just..nothing has been done with it
23:09 benrob0329 One some prs get there ill fire up a server for it
23:10 red-001 personally I would be more intersted in something like that but for the engine
23:11 benrob0329 An engine fork could be placed there as well
23:11 benrob0329 But I'm not capable of maintaining one atm
23:11 Fixer holy shit
23:11 benrob0329 What?
23:11 Fixer FTB beyond start up time is huuuuge
23:12 benrob0329 Fixer, I told you to stau away from dope things
23:13 benrob0329 They make you kek
23:14 Fixer 4gb min mem requirement
23:14 Fixer start up time like 3 minutes or so
23:17 Fixer status line with 80 000 receipes...
23:17 benrob0329 What is it?
23:19 paramat octacian you want to create a new tree schematic?
23:20 benrob0329 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3961
23:20 benrob0329 *bump*
23:20 octacian paramat: yes
23:20 octacian For my subgame
23:21 paramat ok ..
23:21 paramat https://github.com/minetest-mods/saveschems
23:21 paramat that's what we use to create all mtg schematics
23:21 octacian Thanks :D
23:22 octacian ok
23:22 octacian I'll mess around
23:22 benrob0329 Worldedit works too
23:22 paramat once you add your schem as a table, just run the mod in a world and the schem file appears in the folder
23:22 paramat worldedit nope
23:23 paramat cannot do some things
23:23 paramat cannot set per-node force-place
23:23 benrob0329 what's that?
23:23 paramat it's essential that trunks and branches are force-placed but leaves are not
23:23 benrob0329 Ohh
23:24 benrob0329 Yeah that's handy
23:24 octacian paramat: so how can I get the schematic table?
23:24 paramat force-place: replace any existing node
23:24 paramat you write out the table manually
23:25 paramat it's actually a fast and powerful way to design
23:25 paramat copy-paste z-slices for symmetrical trees
23:25 octacian Just read through the init.lua, I see.
23:25 octacian Also, WHY does the mod depend on "flowers" and "default?"
23:26 paramat those mods contain the nodes used in the schematics
23:26 octacian OK, I guess I just have to edit a bit. My subgame has neither of those mods.
23:27 paramat yeah you would depend on your own mod that contains the nodes you use in the schem
23:29 octacian Now, you mentioned that I could just write out the table manually, but also indicated that there's another way to do it?
23:30 paramat no other way, but if the tree is symmetrical you can copy-paste slices 1 and 2 to be slices 4 and 5
23:30 octacian Also, what's the difference between stuff like aspen tree, aspen tree from sapling, and mapgen aspen tree
23:31 octacian OK
23:31 paramat mapgen trees have force-placed trunks/branches by necessity, but this can grief builds when grown from saplings
23:32 octacian I see
23:32 paramat 'from sapling': only the sapling position is force-replaced
23:33 paramat i had complaints trees were growing through structures
23:33 octacian Also, how do those data tables work? I'm a bit confused especially from all the air at the top
23:33 paramat air prob = 0 is used for nodes you don't want to place
23:34 paramat they're upside-down vertical z-slices
23:34 paramat order is: x rows, increasing in y, increasing in z
23:35 paramat you can see the shape of the trees in the slices
23:35 octacian huh, ok...
23:35 octacian How big is each slice?
23:35 paramat you define that in the data
23:36 octacian So each slice = 1 row?
23:36 paramat it's all self explanatory when you study the data
23:36 octacian I'll try :D
23:36 paramat by 'slice' i mean a vertical slice, an XY plane
23:36 octacian ok
23:37 paramat like sliced bread
23:38 paramat the whole table runs through all nodes in order XYZ
23:39 paramat more info https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=12011
23:56 octacian paramat: I got the idea I think :D
23:56 octacian Mapping out an oak tree ATM

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