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MTDiscord |
<theidealist> is that a challenge |
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ireallyhateirc |
I'm going to add a tram with pedipalps |
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MTDiscord |
<theidealist> SPIDERTRAM SPIDERTRAM |
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MTDiscord |
<theidealist> DEFINITELY NOT A SCAM |
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MTDiscord |
<theidealist> all three of these seem to follow a certain pattern: [normal vehicle] with [body part] |
| 00:12 |
MTDiscord |
<theidealist> you've got boat with legs, train with eyeballs, tram with pedipalps |
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MTDiscord |
<theidealist> obviously the next one is a helicopter with kidneys |
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Bombo |
what about opus support? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2239 |
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Bombo |
what lib is used? |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> "this is an upstream issue" what? luanti has always taken care of sound file loading itself |
| 19:11 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> luanti uses libogg and then libvorbis, for supporting vorbis audio in ogg containers |
| 19:12 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> the question for opus support would just be if the filesize savings are worth the added dependency and compatibility hassle before it gets proliferated |
| 19:13 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> (I personally see tracker music support being much more worth the extra dependency on libopenmpt, for shipping soundtracks with small filesizes because of their composed nature. vorbis is older than opus of course but it is also likely good enough for sampled audio) |
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Bombo |
i support the tracker support ;) |
| 19:16 |
Bombo |
i think opus sounds better, with smaller bitrates |
| 19:19 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> If you want lossy general audio, opus. If you want lossless general audio, flac. If you want efficient longer music tracks, trackers and/or midi. Our use of vorbis is very "historical" but it no longer makes sense for any use-case. |
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Bombo |
and why not .sid ;) |
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Bombo |
libsidplayfp |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> tbh if there were some kind of omnibus music format library that handled all the chiptune formats like that, along with stuff like tracker formats and midi, it'd be something worth trying to integrate. Personally, I'd love to hear music from FM synths like the Yamaha OPN/OPL series that were used in Sega Genesis and Sound Blaster cards. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Don't recalculate meshnode normals unnecessarily 2143709 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/21437090b80275f7967b7f5927ae0ead7f49d2e1 (2024-12-10T21:00:18Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] appgurueu -> minetest/minetest: Rotate meshnode normals correctly instead of recalculating 3c5e0d1 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/3c5e0d10fc169ecdd062f7afa20a2b0faeaf3a7f (2024-12-10T21:00:18Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Use appropriate sized type for VoxelArea extent 8957739 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8957739cdfa7010795bf8344c114702ff51b9857 (2024-12-10T21:00:28Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Fix meaning of VoxelArea::hasEmptyExtent() 67126cb https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/67126cbd1bab16e5860de6510b8af15fb9f7c9e7 (2024-12-10T21:00:28Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] (2 newer commits not shown) |
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MTDiscord |
<danil_2461> i think libopenmpt has rudamentary FM support for some module formats |
| 21:06 |
MTDiscord |
<danil_2461> for said sound blaster cards |
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cheapie |
ROllerozxa: (re: "I personally see tracker music support being much more worth the extra dependency on libopenmpt, for shipping soundtracks with small filesizes") - ooh, so then I could just build without libopenmpt and /automatically/ not get any music but keep sound effects, instead of having to figure out what the command is to shut it off in every single music mod separately? Sign me up :P |
| 23:10 |
cheapie |
On a somewhat more serious note, it would be nice to have a "this is music" flag when playing sounds, so I can just turn it off that way. |
| 23:17 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Every good gamedev should include a music toggle (or better yet, volume control) at least in settings. Not only do people often prefer playing their own music instead of limited game music, but having any kind of music, no matter how properly licensed, is a major takedown/demonetization/whatever risk on all the major video sharing platforms. |
| 23:17 |
cheapie |
Most of them do, but seemingly no two of them put it in the same place. |
| 23:17 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> heh, no surprises there |
| 23:18 |
cheapie |
On that note, I need to get around to trying to convince whoever maintains that "ambience" mod to /please/ let me set "svol" to 0, not just 0.1 |
| 23:18 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> I had an almost entirely original soundtrack composed for Piranesi Restoration Project, all CC-licensed, and I had a copyright claim on a single note on the one video of it I tried to upload that had music enabled. |
| 23:19 |
cheapie |
At least playing obnoxious screechy noises at 10% volume is better than full, but... I'd rather have none |
| 23:20 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Heh, indeed, there's no reason to artificially or arbitrarily limit a volume control's range. Even if you set it to 10000% you'd just get clipping, it's not like it'd necessarily damage your ears or your sound equipment. |
| 23:21 |
cheapie |
Bleh, it's another tenplus1 mod and I have no idea where to find them at. |
| 23:22 |
cheapie |
But it does look like I can just poke a value of 0 directly into its storage and it'll /probably/ work |
| 23:22 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> codeburg |
| 23:22 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> better then when they where on 0 uptime, sorry, notabug |
| 23:22 |
cheapie |
There was meant to be an implied "without creating yet another one-off account on a service I don't really want to use" |
| 23:23 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> ah, the git federation thing will be nice if it ever comes to fruition |
| 23:25 |
cheapie |
I poked 0 in there, that should make it quit screeching I think |
| 23:29 |
erle |
> a copyright claim on a single note on the one video of it I tried to upload that had music enabled |
| 23:30 |
erle |
copyright claim on 10 hours of static type of issue |
| 23:30 |
cheapie |
erle: Sorry, some of those letters in your last message were used in copyrighted books too, someone will be over shortly to take down that line |
| 23:31 |
erle |
ｈｏｗ ｄａｒｅ ｙｏｕ‽ |
| 23:31 |
erle |
cheapie how about you do git log and send 1 (one) electronic mail |
| 23:32 |
cheapie |
I could try but people usually /hate/ that |
| 23:32 |
cheapie |
(interesting to see a real-looking address in there though, I usually don't provide one on mine) |
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erle |
cheapie it's worth a shot |
| 23:36 |
erle |
IMO |
| 23:36 |
cheapie |
Maybe this weekend or something, too tired for this right now |
| 23:36 |
erle |
<cheapie> On a somewhat more serious note, it would be nice to have a "this is music" flag when playing sounds, so I can just turn it off that way. |
| 23:36 |
erle |
i agree btw |
| 23:36 |
erle |
cheapie is there an issue for that? |
| 23:36 |
cheapie |
For what? |
| 23:37 |
erle |
music vs sound |
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cheapie |
Not that I know of |
| 23:38 |
erle |
well i won't open one for you, or else people start claiming my “garbage hardware” is the problem again |
| 23:38 |
cheapie |
This is kind of reminding me of that time I built a working CD player in-game that played CDs IRL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf_ZC346lEM |
| 23:38 |
cheapie |
(the phone I had at the time had a terrible microphone, turn the volume up if you can't hear anything) |
| 23:38 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> ah hi erle. your garbage hardware is the problem again |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> (/s) |
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erle |
damn |
| 23:39 |
erle |
i haven't opened an issue yet luatic, you are SEQUENCE BREAKING |
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cheapie |
There was this hiding inside - which, yes, is a horrifying mod, and even more so if you look at the code and realize how it works: https://cheapiesystems.com/git/das/ |
| 23:40 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> erle: no way call me acyclovir the way i terminate those chains |
| 23:40 |
cheapie |
'os.execute("sudo rm "..outtemp)' has to be up there somewhere in terms of lines that probably /shouldn't/ be in a mod |
| 23:41 |
erle |
“Add content” |
| 23:42 |
erle |
you win the usless commit message award tonight |
| 23:42 |
cheapie |
My initial commits tend to have quite useless messages |
| 23:42 |
cheapie |
celevator has "Add bits that are done so far": https://cheapiesystems.com/git/celevator/commit/?id=bbdf947d7c1bffb6d26d333c47c9b2a88109f058 |
| 23:42 |
erle |
cheapie for reference, *unlink* is a better idea than *rm* if you only want to get rid of a single file |
| 23:42 |
erle |
it will choke on additional args |
| 23:43 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> for a second i thought i was the winner |
| 23:43 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> i made a commit called "Add comment" today |
| 23:43 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> but it's a fixup commit so it's fine |
| 23:43 |
erle |
luatic you sure it was not yesterday? |
| 23:43 |
cheapie |
erle: TBH this mod allows arbitrary players to format your hard drive, I don't think security is really a concern here |
| 23:43 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> erle: ehehe got me |
| 23:44 |
erle |
tbh “it will be squashed anyway so i put the entire history of the soviet union in the interwar period into the commit message” is how to spot people who will throw the bucket of paint at the wall instead of using a brush/roller |
| 23:44 |
cheapie |
Depending on the model it might also be possible to *brick* your hard drive from in-game too. I haven't tried that yet. |
| 23:45 |
erle |
i find it very funny that images are shown as a hexdump |
| 23:45 |
erle |
https://cheapiesystems.com/git/das/tree/textures/das_logo.png |
| 23:45 |
erle |
if you made this an uncompressed or colormapped TGA you could *maybe* (just maybe) read the hexdump haha |
| 23:45 |
cheapie |
Click "plain" instead of the file name if you want the image instead |
| 23:46 |
erle |
what a shitty logo |
| 23:46 |
cheapie |
it is |
| 23:46 |
cheapie |
it's a shitty mod :D |
| 23:46 |
cheapie |
(but not a shit mod. I still haven't made that one) |
| 23:52 |
erle |
maybe you should |
| 23:53 |
erle |
can't be less credible than phalluz anyway |
| 23:53 |
erle |
cheapie you could name it cheap_shit |
| 23:53 |
cheapie |
Maybe. But both L5 and "some fire alarm that doesn't suck" are higher up on the list of mod ideas :P |
| 23:53 |
erle |
cheapie for mineclonia compatibility you could add bucket of manure |
| 23:54 |
erle |
i think i have found another litmus test |
| 23:55 |
erle |
is it ban-worthy or does it get a chuckle from the admin if i am getting caught with several copies of an item that is unique? |
| 23:55 |
erle |
i once witnessed a player slay the dragon in mineclone2 and got the dragon egg |
| 23:55 |
erle |
proceeded to dupe it a lot |
| 23:55 |
erle |
and then told a new player “i will give you this dragon egg if you take these stacks of saplings and turn the spawn into a forest” |
| 23:56 |
erle |
the funniest thing is that the player did not know how to pick up the egg |
| 23:56 |
erle |
there is a trick |
| 23:57 |
erle |
if you don't know that trick, the dragon egg will randomly teleport itself on being dug |
| 23:57 |
erle |
like, really close by |
| 23:57 |
erle |
so after i placed the egg, the new player who had planted an entire forest was trying to pick it up and failing hehe |
| 23:58 |
cheapie |
My thoughts (back when VE-Survival was popular-ish) were along the lines of "if you find a bug like that, let us know, but once you do that you can exploit it a bit until we fix it" |
| 23:59 |
erle |
well, usually the exploiting comes before the telling |
