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Migdyn |
Can I get an unban on CDB? |
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swift110-mobile |
Sup folks |
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swift110-mobile |
Migdyn: Luanti is the new name |
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swift110-mobile |
I’m saying it often so I’ll remember |
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thomas15 |
hallo Leute, ich bin der admin des Minetest Bildungsservers und der startet nicht mehr. Brauche dringend kompetente Hilfe beim Kompilieren von minetest auf dem Server. Hat jemand Zeit? |
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Krock |
thomas15: wir haben sogar einen separaten, deutschsprachigen Kanal -> #minetest-de |
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thomas15 |
ah, noch besser |
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thomas15 |
hast du Ahnung vom Kompilieren von minetest? |
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Ingar |
is there a button to switch from/to fullscreen ? |
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Krock |
Ingar: F11 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/settingtypes.txt#L2423-L2424 |
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Krock |
see settings menu |
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erle |
Migdyn why were you banned on cdb? |
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Migdyn |
erle: for responding to a troll in a somewhat rude manner |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Lol, never ask somebody why they were banned from anything if you want an honest answer 😆 |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> The standard answer is of course "because the admins are arbitrary tyrants and assholes." |
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erle |
warr1024 i somehow suspect that “responding in a somewhat rude manner” is close to the truth though |
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erle |
the word “somewhat” probably taking on a large burden |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Heh, well I suppose you can sometimes tease out the deeper meaning, yeah. |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Though bans often happen for a lot of reasons, and you end up only hearing about the last straw. |
| 15:21 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> It's not always problems under a single common theme either. Somebody might have problems with the comments they've been posting AND be a repeat and unrepentant copyright infringer, and which incident leads to their final ban is a toss up. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> I remember the Migdyn situation quite differently from how they are portraying it here (as someone who wasn't involved in banning them) but I can't be arsed to dig that back up. Feel free to do your own digging if you mind more than me. |
| 15:34 |
erle |
Warr1024 given that i have been banned from places i never were for things i never did by people who never met me or interacted with me online or offline i think it's not always clear-cut |
| 15:36 |
erle |
but last time someone told me on IRC someone was banned from a project ”for their opinions” it turned out the people alleged that person had argued in favor of child marriage on twitter. but without seeing those tweets (and everything else pointing to that person just being a regular pervert, not the creepy kind), i can't tell you more than “if someone is very vague, it's probably bullshit”. |
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erle |
luatic grorp idk if you saw it, but the rendering issues i had ONLY happened with unifont so far |
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Migdyn |
luatic: I didn't do anything on CDB that violated the rules other than that one instance of saying something mildly offensive to a troll and minor copyright violations in one of my games that I wasn't aware of but fixed promptly once I found out |
| 15:54 |
Migdyn |
erle: Projects that ban people for opinions expressed outside of official project channels are the worst |
| 15:54 |
Migdyn |
Sadly that's close to 90% of the more prominent free software porjects these days :( |
| 15:55 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Haha, I love how "I tried to scribble over Minecraft textures and assumed I wouldn't be immediately found out, and then when people called me out on it I publicly lied about it, not expecting incontrovertible proof of the lie to be promptly posted" turns into "minor copyright violations that I immediately corrected" |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Tbh I'm kind of surprised you didn't earn your ban at that point, but I guess we've never actually had a rule against bad faith. |
| 15:56 |
erle |
Migdyn well, i'd ban an unapologetic fascist |
| 15:56 |
erle |
Warr1024 what was the bad faith, lying about it? |
| 15:56 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Yeah |
| 15:57 |
Migdyn |
Those were textures that I took from an older Minetest game I made in I think 2018 and by the time I released the newer game I completely forgot abotu the origin of those textures and genueinely thought I created them from scratch |
| 15:57 |
erle |
that's also how i try to distinguish mistakes from malice |
| 15:57 |
Migdyn |
erle: Even if they're a good programmer/contributor/whatever? |
| 15:57 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Violating copyright on an "oops I didn't understand that it worked that way" kind of basis is really understandable, but a blatant lie about the origin of textures is a much different story. |
| 15:58 |
erle |
Migdyn especially then. i'd also ban people who insult others if they don't like their bug reports. being bad at coding is easier to fix than bad manners. |
| 15:59 |
Migdyn |
The "blatant lie" wasn't a blatan lie at all, as I already said, at that point in time I DID THINK that iwas the author of those textures and that they were simply inspired by MC's |
| 15:59 |
erle |
in fact, i think too many projects/chats are too lax about what they allow and at the same time think that “doing something, not requiring proof” is a good thing. |
| 15:59 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> erle: I will have to think about that last sentence a lot :P |
| 15:59 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> the last sentence before that message that is (average chat race condition) |
| 16:00 |
erle |
luatic “context-free or regular” also works for chats or conversations with people who have autism |
| 16:00 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> It's possible to accept people who have troubling behavior into a project, but to keep the project healthy, you often have to put a certain amount of work into insulating them and the public from one another, and that changes the net value of their overall contributions, making it a lot harder to still be worth it. If even you can't work with them, then it's not even feasible anyway. |
| 16:00 |
erle |
luatic or attention deficit |
| 16:01 |
erle |
Warr1024 oh i can totally work with people who despise me. it's just that it drives others away if someone is constantly insulting. |
| 16:01 |
erle |
or if someone is predictably insulting if some topics are brought up |
| 16:01 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Migdyn, it's actually hilarious that you continue to maintain that your blatant lie wasn't a blatant lie when the proof is still available in the discord history, and even people who don't want to join discord can easily ask any of the members to dig up the screenshots. |
| 16:02 |
erle |
took me some time to learn, but i know some people distanced themselves from a group i was in in which a person constantly slightly insulted/belittled me and the person who distanced themselves did not like to experience that, while i had a thick-enough skin to shrug it off. |
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MTDiscord |
<csperson> It sounds like they'd genuinely forgotten |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Taking the pencil tool and scribbling random junk over the Minecraft leaves texture is way beyond any stretch of "merely inspired by" that anyone could justify. The fact that it was trivially proven that this was your actual process is what makes the lie blatant. |
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MTDiscord |
<csperson> they're not currently claiming that they made the textures themselves from what i can tell, in fact they're claiming the exact opposite seemingly. So, not sure where the "continuing to maintain the blatent lie" thing is coming from. |
| 16:05 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> erle, yeah, in a way somebody who genuinely despises you but does so for honest reasons that make some kind of sense, but has a genuine sense of responsibility to the project, is probably better than someone who is just generally trolly and wants to cause random trouble. |
| 16:06 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> erle: I love regular grammars. It's not very satisfying that only certain kinds of CFGs can be parsed efficiently. |
| 16:06 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> @csperson they lied about it at the time, and they're lying now by saying that they weren't lying then. |
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Migdyn |
I didn't say that I wasn't lying at the time it took place; all im saying is that I didn't lie WITH THE INTENTION TO DECEIVE ANYONE |
| 16:07 |
erle |
Warr1024 the reasons don't need to make sense, they just need to not get in the way. like i can't work very well with people who get extremely upset when they refucktor something and break something during that and i propose to revert it. |
| 16:08 |
Migdyn |
because the textures were 4-5 years old at that point and I did not remember their origin |
| 16:08 |
erle |
if you don't remember the origin and claimed to make it yourself, it is still a lie about provenance |
| 16:08 |
MTDiscord |
<csperson> Sounds more like it was an unintentional lie at the time. Sure, they claimed something that wasn't true. But they now realize their mistake it seems. |
| 16:08 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> The definition of lying implies intention to deceive. You're trying to claim that were mistaken, but not lying. |
| 16:08 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> you were* |
| 16:09 |
MTDiscord |
<csperson> it doesn't sound like there was intention to decieve, thats the thing |
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erle |
Migdyn try to see it like that, even by being careless you are making the work of cdb admins harder |
| 16:10 |
erle |
or cdb mods or whatever they are called |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> iirc migdyn has been perma banned from cdb twice |
| 16:10 |
erle |
being perma banned twice seems like an achievement |
| 16:10 |
erle |
like why was it taken back the first time? |
| 16:10 |
erle |
or was the second ban evasion? |
| 16:10 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> iirc so they could participate in one of the game jams |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> ironically similar to now |
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erle |
maybe cdb could have a “this user is in the top 5% of banned users by ban count” similar to the top reviews thing :D |
| 16:13 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Yeah, we've extended a LOT of redemption opportunities. We've learned our lesson; it won't happen again. |
| 16:14 |
erle |
fool me once, shame on me. fool me twice, can't get fooled again! |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Lol, there's so much going on in that quote. |
| 16:17 |
erle |
:D |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> I couldn't tell how much he genuinely forgot how the saying goes, and how much he realized halfway through what it really meant and didn't like the implication XD |
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erle |
it's a misquote ;) |
| 16:20 |
erle |
the original is “fool me once, shame on you […]” |
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erle |
Warr1024 i think bush jr. may have not liked the implication of having a soundbite that said “shame on me” |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> That's what I figured. The point of the saying is that you CAN get fooled again, but if you do, then you now have to share in the responsibility for being fooled, and that's like the exact opposite of what he wanted to convey 😆 |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> I mean the saying works because the implication is that the entire premise of you invoking the saying is that you KNOW someone is trying to fool you, but maybe that's too many layers for a speech that's going to get chopped up into soundbytes. |
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erle |
also i remember reading that bush jr was smart but found that playing a bumbling fool was more popular with voters. maybe related? |
| 16:30 |
erle |
like bojo |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/serverlist: Apply Luanti rename 7795110 https://github.com/minetest/serverlist/commit/77951100b9a0f480b362636e7bce7b1689794743 (2024-11-02T17:25:05Z) |
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Mantar |
Bush Jr was smart when he was young, but many years of alcoholism will take a toll on cognitive ability |
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[git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest: Use content.luanti.org (#15360) ba370d9 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/ba370d984146ee5041dbf46b256be76d19577608 (2024-11-02T20:40:33Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Use servers.luanti.org (#15369) e952a08 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/e952a0807b85e089eaa320cfeb09e33816d141ed (2024-11-02T20:40:45Z) |
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