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shaft |
https://github.com/minetest-mods/mesecons/pull/683 Two members of the repo are happy about my PR but it's not getting merged. Do I need three or what is going on? |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> You need a miracle |
| 17:38 |
shaft |
Yes, I heard it's a slow repo when I previously needed something merged there. |
| 17:39 |
shaft |
Ah yes. When I got rid of some texture duplicates in mesecons to make it easier to texture. |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> i would ask for a group check to be added as an opt out, in case its something with a similar name that i dont want meseconified |
| 17:59 |
Desour |
my guess is they just don't merge it instantly, to give other people the opportunity to look at it |
| 17:59 |
Desour |
anyways, asking for a merge in the PR should help |
| 17:59 |
Desour |
as it goes into their notification box |
| 18:05 |
sfan5 |
since shaft is generally unfriendly I will intentionally wait for someone else to merge the PR |
| 18:05 |
shaft |
Sorry :( |
| 18:06 |
sfan5 |
(it's not that unlikely) |
| 18:07 |
shaft |
wsor4035 Why wouldn't they want that? I think if it already has mesecon support the tables are just going to be overwritten. I think a group check is unnecessary and goes against the core purpose of the mod. |
| 18:09 |
shaft |
user: I want this door to work with mesecons |
| 18:10 |
shaft |
modder: I will put in extra effort, so you can't use it with mesecons |
| 18:12 |
sfan5 |
if you register a door that is only meant to be opened by special events, having it work with mesecons would be counterproductive |
| 18:12 |
sfan5 |
but dunno if that's covered somehow already |
| 18:12 |
shaft |
With special events like a mesecons signal? |
| 18:13 |
sfan5 |
no? |
| 18:13 |
shaft |
If the land is protected with a protection mods users without permission aren't able to build there thus not able to open the door with mesecons |
| 18:13 |
shaft |
if they are able to build there, they can tear down the door or the wall next to it |
| 18:14 |
sfan5 |
I am not talking about protection |
| 18:14 |
sfan5 |
image a door that opens only if you have an apple in your inventory |
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sfan5 |
imagine* |
| 18:14 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> maybe it isnt even a door, but the name happens to match your pattern |
| 18:15 |
sfan5 |
the code only works on doors so that can't happen |
| 18:15 |
sfan5 |
I think a reasonable behavior would be to not override anything if the door already has a "mesecons" table in its definition |
| 18:16 |
shaft |
Wrong! My code uses the doors mod's API! All of those are doors! |
| 18:17 |
shaft |
I don't see why it's a problem if the apple door can be opened by mesecons. |
| 18:18 |
sfan5 |
you don't see a problem in violating the design intent of the modder? |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> the author of the apple door mod is now very angry at you and wants to skin you alive because he only wants the apple door to be operable via apples |
| 18:18 |
shaft |
You can tear it down too if you have build permissions, so I can violate the design either way. |
| 18:19 |
shaft |
Or the wall it's built into |
| 18:19 |
shaft |
If I don't have built permissions I can't connect the door. |
| 18:19 |
shaft |
with mesecons |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> I'm pretty sure the very existence of mesecons violates the laws of minetest |
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sfan5 |
there being an unprotected wall is an assumption on your part |
| 18:20 |
sfan5 |
anyway I'll implement my suggestion from 5 minutes ago |
| 18:21 |
shaft |
You gonna built the wall out of doors too? |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> You would be surprised |
| 18:22 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> We did that when testing mesecons I think lol |
| 18:22 |
shaft |
How do you tear down the wall or doors if there are no build permissions and you misplaced it? |
| 18:22 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> I've seen people build gargantuan prisons out of locked chests because they used to be unbreakable in a certain server lol |
| 18:22 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> s/in/on |
| 18:22 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> (whereas most other blocks, even if protected, were breakable by chance) |
| 18:23 |
sfan5 |
(they're called nodes) |
| 18:23 |
MTDiscord |
<spectre829> zoinks |
| 18:23 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> https://tenor.com/view/kirby-gasp-sr-pelo-shock-oh-no-gif-7765463656064451947 |
| 18:23 |
shaft |
bricks |
| 18:23 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> this is what happens when you don't get enough sleep |
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MTDiscord |
<paradust> for nodes they sure do look a lot like blocks |
| 18:25 |
MTDiscord |
<paradust> they got 6 sides and everything |
| 18:25 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> The smollest and cubiest drama |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> bloxels |
| 18:26 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> you've heard of minetest name suggestions, now get ready for node name suggestions |
| 18:26 |
shaft |
Now that we call the map chunks map blocks we can call the blocks chunks. |
| 18:26 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> We call them block cubes |
| 18:26 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Cubes are just how they are commonly visually represented. They're just intersection points on a cubic grid. |
| 18:27 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> We don't call map chunks blocks, we call them chunks. |
| 18:27 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> That's actual a voxel on a voxel voxel |
| 18:27 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Don't confuse chunks, blocks, and nodes. |
| 18:27 |
shaft |
Honestly I think VoxeLibre is the worst name they could have come up with for Mineclone2. |
| 18:27 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Sounds like nacho libre |
| 18:27 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> nah it could definitely be worse |
| 18:27 |
shaft |
How? |
| 18:27 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> I'm not sure whether voxelibre is a libre game about voxes, or a voxel game with ibre licensing. |
| 18:28 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Open Minecraft |
| 18:28 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> cryptocraft AI edition |
| 18:28 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Minecraft Trademark Infringement Edition |
| 18:28 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> physics nobel prize be like: |
| 18:28 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> (minus the crypto) |
| 18:29 |
shaft |
Open Mine wouldn't even be so bad. You'd still had some part in it that's about the gameplay which consists of digging, placing and crafting. |
| 18:29 |
shaft |
mostly |
| 18:31 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> CruftCraft, 7 years of backwards compatibility and beyond |
| 18:34 |
sfan5 |
I was just going to ask if anyone has an opinion how backwards-compatible mesecons should be |
| 18:34 |
sfan5 |
it still supports the old doors from MTG |
| 18:35 |
sfan5 |
which were changed in uhh 2016 |
| 18:39 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> No |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> But this answer was probably as surprising as the sun rising every morning |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> as long as the nodes are being converted via alias/lbm, dont see a point to supporting them |
| 18:44 |
sfan5 |
actually |
| 18:44 |
sfan5 |
that could be dropped anyway since due to mod.conf mesecons hard-requires at least 5.0 anyway |
| 18:45 |
sfan5 |
and this (https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/f600a9f645af40d22c8eb7c17aff89507b71816e) is 0.4.14 territory |
| 18:45 |
sfan5 |
wsor4035: they are, yes. this is about (theoretically) grabbing up-to-date mesecons and running it with a MTG from 0.4.14 |
| 18:45 |
sfan5 |
which is nonsense as I just realized |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> 🙃 |
| 18:53 |
shaft |
Told you so |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> You were the chosen one shaft |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> How could you have let this happen? |
| 18:54 |
shaft |
What? |
| 18:54 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> I have no idea but it looks like your changes will be rejected |
| 18:55 |
shaft |
What do you mean? They've been accepted. sfan will add a group check he says because he absolutely wants one. |
| 18:55 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> My reverse psychology is working wonders |
| 18:56 |
shaft |
I still think there's no use case for it but if he wants one he gets one |
| 18:56 |
sfan5 |
not a group check |
| 18:56 |
sfan5 |
literally just this https://github.com/minetest-mods/mesecons/commit/ac83dead50bfb59c564c8e52e2bffa8e84d225bc |
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shaft |
I guess you could do that. But remove the log message it's superfluous |
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shaft |
Or am I allowed to do it? |
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sfan5 |
in the unlikely case that anyone ever wonders why their door was *not* automatically mesecon-enabled it is supposed to aid debugging |
| 19:01 |
sfan5 |
so no, you may not remove it |
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shaft |
Yes, it's kinda unlikely and my logs are always full of useless shit. |
| 19:05 |
shaft |
Oh it's for the not case |
| 19:05 |
shaft |
Then it's okay |
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shaft |
Good work sfan5 |
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MinetestBot |
[git] appgurueu -> minetest/minetest: Document performance cost of use_texture_alpha=blend (#15244) 291c3ad https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/291c3ad0c1bc4ae095364cfd109ceb4f2c9dc7b8 (2024-10-08T19:44:44Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: scrollcontainer: Add automatic scrollbar calculation (#14623) 13f533d https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/13f533d4902b3e18a1ab73540555ae979bf139d7 (2024-10-08T19:45:27Z) |
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swift110-mobile |
hey all |
