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Blockhead256 |
alright it's far too quiet around here |
| 15:39 |
Blockhead256 |
Grid crafting is usually bad and requiring a low-cost wooden table to get 3x3 crafting instead of 2x2 is bad |
| 15:39 |
Blockhead256 |
most games for Minetest are based on Minetest Game and always will be |
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Blockhead256 |
Lua is objectively the best language choice for Minetest and any attempt to replace it will fail |
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Blockhead256 |
there, that should be enough to keep the channel going for a while |
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ireallyhateirc |
Yeah, it's painful to read :D |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> lol. That... is... not that crazy of a take to get more chat going in here. |
| 16:13 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> If instead, you said we should move to luau, that we should delete MTG from the CDB to encourage new "best" games, and that formspecs are objectively better than html+css+javascript, that would be much better fodder. |
| 16:19 |
ireallyhateirc |
Yeah, so what about dropping MTG status from "maintenance" to "deprecated" and giving the repo to a mod soup maintainer? The mod soup would be picked by a coin toss :D |
| 16:22 |
Blockhead256 |
better yet, deprecate MTG, rename it and the replacement game to MTG |
| 16:22 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> give it to someone who hates it and will unpick stuff and rename default to mtg_core, and alias to it, so people actually know what default is, and how bad it is that most mods just depend on mtg_core |
| 16:22 |
Blockhead256 |
that sounds like volunteering to me... |
| 16:23 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> perhaps split it out into multiple smaller dependencies that make logical sense. or let's just not breath around it, and ban ourselves from touching it, and just work the engine around mtg because it's not allowed to move and now is the primary driver for architectural decisions |
| 16:23 |
ireallyhateirc |
same here, we could decide by a coin toss |
| 16:23 |
ireallyhateirc |
renaming "default" to "the_fault" |
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MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> volunteering? i work on stuff that isn't mtg, because, i hate mtg. why would i give my free time to work on it 🙂 |
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Blockhead256 |
hate is a valid motivation sometimes... nah only in jest |
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rubenwardy |
Reports of MTG's death were greatly exaggerated |
| 16:25 |
Blockhead256 |
anyway the new modular MTG replacement, of which there are already several |
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MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> just the decision to put it in maintenance mode, feels like an unclear decision. because it acts like it's deprecated and it's barely maintained to unpick the horribleness |
| 16:25 |
Blockhead256 |
will be made from scratch by a dev picked by popular vote |
| 16:25 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> (build all mods for void game) |
| 16:26 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> make minetest crash when anyone depends on default 🙂 |
| 16:26 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> sometimes you gotta burn stuff to the ground before you rebuild the house |
| 16:27 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> popular and capable of unpicking mtg are two different things 😉 |
| 16:28 |
ireallyhateirc |
let's divide MTG into small mods, each would be called defaultN where N is a number |
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MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> default is a dreadful name |
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MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> completely unclear what it is, or how unofficial or separated from the engine it is |
| 16:29 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> "you have depended on default, this is deprecated, please depend on one of the following new modules" |
| 16:30 |
ireallyhateirc |
lol |
| 16:33 |
ireallyhateirc |
Honestly I don't understand MTG. It kind of replicates modding habits of proprietary games (including Minecraft), yet doesn't provide a playable non-boring base like most proprietary games do. |
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ireallyhateirc |
so "let's make minecraft, but without any cool stuff, people will add that later themselves" |
| 16:34 |
ireallyhateirc |
My first encounter with Minetest was "huh, it looks unfinished, there" |
| 16:34 |
definitelya |
^This is so true it hurts... |
| 16:34 |
ireallyhateirc |
* "there's nothing here" |
| 16:35 |
ireallyhateirc |
"I'll wait few more years, maybe they add mobs one day" |
| 16:35 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> i think it was "let's not make minecraft, so everyone else makes the stuff they love from it", and then they add it in to the project built from the resentment of mc |
| 16:36 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> first time i tried mt "i was like, wow this is so cool. it's like mc. wait, is there no mods? this is lonely, and boring" and i didn't play it again for a few years until i found out there was more to mt than mtg |
| 16:37 |
ireallyhateirc |
same story here sadly |
| 16:37 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> i think it was a good change they debundled it from the engine |
| 16:38 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> many games saw at least a 50% boost in downloads after that |
| 16:38 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> as players actually realised there was more content |
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MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> i hope more people make more games now there may actually be more chance of people playing and enjoying them |
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ireallyhateirc |
I'm making my horror game for Minetest |
| 16:39 |
ireallyhateirc |
it takes time though |
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MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> very true. sounds good. good luck 🙂 |
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MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> wuzzy has been grinding on with repixture for a long time, before the debundling, it has 5-10 downloads a day. it now has 20-40 |
| 16:39 |
ireallyhateirc |
I'm also working on Exile with the rest of our team |
| 16:40 |
ireallyhateirc |
I like the consistent art style of Repixture |
| 16:40 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> i can imagine it's lots more motivating to see people trying the meal you've been dedicating yourself to |
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ireallyhateirc |
though I didn't play long enough to see if there are any unique gameplay features of Repixture compared to other games |
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MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> i was really impressed with the mobs rework he did. i'm going to have to retry it |
| 16:41 |
ireallyhateirc |
well, at least it provides mobs by default and there's some ambience too (like storms) |
| 16:41 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> very true |
| 16:42 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> i'm trying to talk myself out of touching up that tower defense game |
| 16:42 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> i love tower defense games 🙂 |
| 16:42 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> not sure i'm ready for that level of suffering again. ha |
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ireallyhateirc |
yeah, so Minetest is going in the right direction, we just need more freedom (engine features, dehardcoded stuff) |
| 16:43 |
ireallyhateirc |
also good to see some performance improvements |
| 16:44 |
MTDiscord |
<marinerdev> true. i get more excited by the bread and butter basic stuff working than any sexy stuff |
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