Time Nick Message 15:38 Blockhead256 alright it's far too quiet around here 15:39 Blockhead256 Grid crafting is usually bad and requiring a low-cost wooden table to get 3x3 crafting instead of 2x2 is bad 15:39 Blockhead256 most games for Minetest are based on Minetest Game and always will be 15:40 Blockhead256 Lua is objectively the best language choice for Minetest and any attempt to replace it will fail 15:40 Blockhead256 there, that should be enough to keep the channel going for a while 15:48 ireallyhateirc Yeah, it's painful to read :D 16:11 MTDiscord lol. That... is... not that crazy of a take to get more chat going in here. 16:13 MTDiscord If instead, you said we should move to luau, that we should delete MTG from the CDB to encourage new "best" games, and that formspecs are objectively better than html+css+javascript, that would be much better fodder. 16:19 ireallyhateirc Yeah, so what about dropping MTG status from "maintenance" to "deprecated" and giving the repo to a mod soup maintainer? The mod soup would be picked by a coin toss :D 16:22 Blockhead256 better yet, deprecate MTG, rename it and the replacement game to MTG 16:22 MTDiscord give it to someone who hates it and will unpick stuff and rename default to mtg_core, and alias to it, so people actually know what default is, and how bad it is that most mods just depend on mtg_core 16:22 Blockhead256 that sounds like volunteering to me... 16:23 MTDiscord perhaps split it out into multiple smaller dependencies that make logical sense. or let's just not breath around it, and ban ourselves from touching it, and just work the engine around mtg because it's not allowed to move and now is the primary driver for architectural decisions 16:23 ireallyhateirc same here, we could decide by a coin toss 16:23 ireallyhateirc renaming "default" to "the_fault" 16:24 MTDiscord volunteering? i work on stuff that isn't mtg, because, i hate mtg. why would i give my free time to work on it 🙂 16:25 Blockhead256 hate is a valid motivation sometimes... nah only in jest 16:25 rubenwardy Reports of MTG's death were greatly exaggerated 16:25 Blockhead256 anyway the new modular MTG replacement, of which there are already several 16:25 MTDiscord just the decision to put it in maintenance mode, feels like an unclear decision. because it acts like it's deprecated and it's barely maintained to unpick the horribleness 16:25 Blockhead256 will be made from scratch by a dev picked by popular vote 16:25 MTDiscord (build all mods for void game) 16:26 MTDiscord make minetest crash when anyone depends on default 🙂 16:26 MTDiscord sometimes you gotta burn stuff to the ground before you rebuild the house 16:27 MTDiscord popular and capable of unpicking mtg are two different things 😉 16:28 ireallyhateirc let's divide MTG into small mods, each would be called defaultN where N is a number 16:29 MTDiscord default is a dreadful name 16:29 MTDiscord completely unclear what it is, or how unofficial or separated from the engine it is 16:29 MTDiscord "you have depended on default, this is deprecated, please depend on one of the following new modules" 16:30 ireallyhateirc lol 16:33 ireallyhateirc Honestly I don't understand MTG. It kind of replicates modding habits of proprietary games (including Minecraft), yet doesn't provide a playable non-boring base like most proprietary games do. 16:34 ireallyhateirc so "let's make minecraft, but without any cool stuff, people will add that later themselves" 16:34 ireallyhateirc My first encounter with Minetest was "huh, it looks unfinished, there" 16:34 definitelya ^This is so true it hurts... 16:34 ireallyhateirc * "there's nothing here" 16:35 ireallyhateirc "I'll wait few more years, maybe they add mobs one day" 16:35 MTDiscord i think it was "let's not make minecraft, so everyone else makes the stuff they love from it", and then they add it in to the project built from the resentment of mc 16:36 MTDiscord first time i tried mt "i was like, wow this is so cool. it's like mc. wait, is there no mods? this is lonely, and boring" and i didn't play it again for a few years until i found out there was more to mt than mtg 16:37 ireallyhateirc same story here sadly 16:37 MTDiscord i think it was a good change they debundled it from the engine 16:38 MTDiscord many games saw at least a 50% boost in downloads after that 16:38 MTDiscord as players actually realised there was more content 16:38 MTDiscord i hope more people make more games now there may actually be more chance of people playing and enjoying them 16:39 ireallyhateirc I'm making my horror game for Minetest 16:39 ireallyhateirc it takes time though 16:39 MTDiscord very true. sounds good. good luck 🙂 16:39 MTDiscord wuzzy has been grinding on with repixture for a long time, before the debundling, it has 5-10 downloads a day. it now has 20-40 16:39 ireallyhateirc I'm also working on Exile with the rest of our team 16:40 ireallyhateirc I like the consistent art style of Repixture 16:40 MTDiscord i can imagine it's lots more motivating to see people trying the meal you've been dedicating yourself to 16:41 ireallyhateirc though I didn't play long enough to see if there are any unique gameplay features of Repixture compared to other games 16:41 MTDiscord i was really impressed with the mobs rework he did. i'm going to have to retry it 16:41 ireallyhateirc well, at least it provides mobs by default and there's some ambience too (like storms) 16:41 MTDiscord very true 16:42 MTDiscord i'm trying to talk myself out of touching up that tower defense game 16:42 MTDiscord i love tower defense games 🙂 16:42 MTDiscord not sure i'm ready for that level of suffering again. ha 16:43 ireallyhateirc yeah, so Minetest is going in the right direction, we just need more freedom (engine features, dehardcoded stuff) 16:43 ireallyhateirc also good to see some performance improvements 16:44 MTDiscord true. i get more excited by the bread and butter basic stuff working than any sexy stuff