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wsor4035 |
!up |
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MinetestBot |
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'strip' (file "/home/sfan5/mtbot/modules/serverup.py", line 41, in serverup) |
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big-MAC |
LOL |
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big-MAC |
!up |
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AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'strip' (file "/home/sfan5/mtbot/modules/serverup.py", line 41, in serverup) |
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big-MAC |
!help |
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MinetestBot |
https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md |
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big-MAC |
!c 1+1 |
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big-MAC |
why is contentdb so slow? bandwidth constraints? high load? |
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big-MAC |
referring to the >100 kbps download speed |
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rubenwardy |
big-MAC: ContentDB is fast for me |
| 09:40 |
rubenwardy |
I've had a few complaints about this but I've been unable to reproduce it. I suspect it's an issue with other continents or ISPs |
| 09:40 |
rubenwardy |
a lot of the complaints have been from the US Mid-west |
| 09:42 |
rubenwardy |
Load average: 1.39 1.10 0.67 |
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rubenwardy |
the server has 6 cores, it's a virtual dedicated server |
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rubenwardy |
oops wrong window |
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rubenwardy |
Load average: 0.45 0.34 0.34 |
| 09:46 |
rubenwardy |
I'm in the UK and the server is in Germany, so not like it's in the same room as me |
| 09:49 |
rubenwardy |
the server has a 1Gbps connection and limits each client to 96Mbps |
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sfan5 |
rubenwardy: tried asking the reporters for their IP and a traceroute? |
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rubenwardy |
I have a traceroute from one of them |
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big-MAC |
rubenwardy are you using a cdn? |
| 10:31 |
rubenwardy |
No |
| 10:34 |
big-MAC |
thats why |
| 10:34 |
big-MAC |
its slow |
| 10:35 |
rubenwardy |
It should have increased latency but it shouldn't be that slow to download |
| 10:35 |
big-MAC |
rubenwardy no its slow as shit cause you arent using a cdn |
| 10:35 |
big-MAC |
https://bunny.net/cdn/ |
| 10:43 |
rubenwardy |
I'm getting 16 Mbps over a VPN to the US, that's UK -> US -> DE |
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big-MAC |
that is just one specific route |
| 10:44 |
big-MAC |
if you serve stuff like whats on contentdb globally u need a cdn |
| 10:49 |
rubenwardy |
so for the stats, CDB serves about 2-3TB per month and has 60GB of uploads currently. On BunnyCDN, maybe that's $30-50 per month |
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big-MAC |
what hosting are you using? |
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rubenwardy |
I'll look into it |
| 10:50 |
rubenwardy |
RS 2000 G9.5, 6-core 3.35GHz, 16GB RAM - https://www.netcup.eu/ |
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ireallyhateirc |
is the service covered by donations or your private money? (asking out of curiosity) |
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rubenwardy |
it's covered by donations, I'd have to raise more to cover the CDN if it's on the $50 side |
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rubenwardy |
although depends on whether we do FOSDEM again |
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ireallyhateirc |
also I get decent speeds in Poland so no complains from my side |
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ireallyhateirc |
hard really to complain about a service we get for free... |
| 10:53 |
ireallyhateirc |
hmmmm what about p2p mod/game distribution? |
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big-MAC |
im complaining cause its integrated into minetest by default |
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ireallyhateirc |
big-MAC, and have you donated to Minetest? |
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big-MAC |
why does that matter |
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big-MAC |
i never donated to windows or any linux distro |
| 10:56 |
ireallyhateirc |
well, you get what you pay for |
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ireallyhateirc |
if you pay/donate nothing then you can't really expect to get anything and you're on mercy of people who maintain that stuff |
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ireallyhateirc |
I personally donate to devs of software I use from time to time |
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rubenwardy |
an alternative to a CDN might be to have the community set up mirrors |
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rubenwardy |
there are also three parts of ContentDB to consider - the uploads, the API, and the web |
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mmuller |
or build in a torrent client :-) |
| 11:04 |
rubenwardy |
I thought you wanted fast |
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big-MAC |
i will complain since this slow feature is integrated into the client by default |
| 11:05 |
big-MAC |
just because i dont pay doesnt mean i have to be forced to deal with it |
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ireallyhateirc |
big-MAC, you can fork the code and remove ContentDB integration |
| 11:05 |
big-MAC |
and its not good for the project either because of bad user experience |
| 11:06 |
ireallyhateirc |
I agree that's not good for the project, but money doesn't grow on trees |
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big-MAC |
that is always an option |
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ireallyhateirc |
so you can either help by donating, which would cover the CDN or host your own service (for your money) |
| 11:08 |
ireallyhateirc |
either way, the limiting factor is money |
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ROllerozxa |
such grateful open source users |
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big-MAC |
dude if no one complained about free software there wouldnt be any fixes for bugs or issues |
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big-MAC |
are you retarded |
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ireallyhateirc |
"gimmmie free shit, I demand it" |
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big-MAC |
how do you improve something if you dont point out issues |
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ireallyhateirc |
yeah, pointing out issues is good |
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ireallyhateirc |
complaining though has a slightly negative meaning https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/complain |
| 11:10 |
ireallyhateirc |
well, could be just language barrier, I'm not a native speaker |
| 11:10 |
rubenwardy |
hey, please keep it civil. No need for the hard r |
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ireallyhateirc |
also complaining alone won't change much if there's no money for change |
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rubenwardy |
I'm sure I could get the money quickly if I asked for it, the problem currently is working out which options would be most effective |
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big-MAC |
i never even asked for anything, you just have some insane worldview that makes you think people dont have a right to complain about free software they didnt pay for |
| 11:27 |
ireallyhateirc |
Sorry for the misunderstanding, all I mean is that complaining alone is often not going to change things. Complaining as in reporting an issue and pointing out possible solutions is good. |
| 11:28 |
big-MAC |
i did exactly that |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> you weren't exactly polite |
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big-MAC |
angry user |
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big-MAC |
tbh if you implemented torrents i would torrent all 60GBs |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Lol, that would be a waste of your time and bandwidth. 1. You will never play them all. 2. They're constantly being updated. 3. They are constantly going slowly out of date. As for the CDN thing, might make sense to host the top 100 downloaded or something? |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Oh, and CDB doesn't even host all the mods that exist in minetest, maybe half |
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big-MAC |
good points and idea |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> ExeVirus: there is a point in having a local copy of CDB, from a dev perspective. you often want to see how/if people are (mis)using APIs. |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Sure, but not as an end user |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> agreed |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> i'd still like a dev torrent (or just some big .tar.gz i can download) so i don't need to stress test CDB :3 |
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PoochInquisitor |
bigMAC: https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2024-04-18#i_6165715 |
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PoochInquisitor |
What were you saying? |
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ireallyhateirc |
apparently that user got banned from other channels of free software projects after similar behavior |
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ROllerozxa |
makes sense they would get banned considering they repeatedly changed their nickname to slurs earlier |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Kinda like walking into a restaurant carrying a gas can and saying "hey, I'm about to commit arson here, but before I do, I wanted to point out that your peanut allergy sign really should be a little bigger." |
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ireallyhateirc |
lol |
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PoochInquisitor |
A real clown |
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sfan5 |
I guess this makes a permanent ban this time |
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sfan5 |
!kick bigMAC |
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bigMAC was kicked by MinetestBot: bigMAC |
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sfan5 |
!op |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> read the chat logs with this playing in the background https://youtu.be/PkhCNx-8Qos?si=UKqQ-SeHLb9BYulo |
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