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IRC log for #minetest, 2024-04-21

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02:16 MTDiscord <fatalisterror> Actually you can get a players password with the lua api imi
02:16 MTDiscord <fatalisterror> So if they made a mod to get it, they could just get the password
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04:04 lissobone Fun fact: craftitems have wear too, it's just invisible and can only be set with 'set_wear()'.
04:08 big-MAC lissobone n
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06:04 cheapie Hopefully this will get me fewer complaints than I usually get about documentation: https://cheapiesystems.com/git/celevator/plain/docs/celevator_controller_manual.pdf
06:04 cheapie (still kind of a draft, probably has some errors in it still)
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11:18 MTDiscord <luatic> nope, Minetest doesn't store plaintext passwords, and for good reasons
11:19 MTDiscord <luatic> the only viable way to "impersonate" a player as an admin would be to remember their password hash, reset their password, log in using the new password, log out, then reset their password hash
11:20 big-MAC or crack the hash, or backdoor the code to store plaintext passwords only
11:20 big-MAC ive considered the backdoor part
11:24 ROllerozxa jia tan energy
11:24 big-MAC you dont need to do it the way jia tan did, the code changes are probably minimal and you would do it on your own server acting as a honeypot anyways
11:26 big-MAC and with the lack of password management builtin to the default minetest client im betting lots of people use insecure and same passwords across servers anyways
11:26 big-MAC i was wishing for a builtin account manager
11:31 BuckarooBanzai big-MAC: the server doesn't see any passwords, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Remote_Password_protocol
11:31 big-MAC oh yeah
11:31 big-MAC i forgot
11:31 big-MAC well still weak passwords
11:31 big-MAC probably easily crackable
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11:40 big-MAC but realistically speaking someone could modify the code and make it so they could bypass the authentication step and login anyways no? xD
11:40 big-MAC as long as they control the server
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12:12 definitelya Judging by the vocabulary they have been using (across the myriad of alt accounts created since a year ago, roughly, all over the MT space), I gather big-MAC is from the US.
12:13 definitelya Oops, wrong discussion.
12:13 big-MAC huh
12:13 big-MAC u are talking about me in a separate channel?
12:13 definitelya Ye, why?
12:14 big-MAC what are you talking about?
12:14 definitelya You?
12:14 big-MAC yeah, why?
12:14 definitelya That is all.
12:14 big-MAC you somehow know i am on an "alt account"?
12:14 MTDiscord <jordan4ibanez> https://tenor.com/view/wrong-way-entrance-car-gif-14278076
12:14 MTDiscord <jordan4ibanez> Let me just barge on in here
12:14 big-MAC what do you think my other accounts were?
12:15 big-MAC definitelya
12:16 definitelya big-MAC
12:16 big-MAC definitelya
12:16 big-MAC what are you guys planning to do to me
12:16 definitelya That' right 4chan s***thead.
12:16 big-MAC 4chan? i dont even use 5chan
12:16 big-MAC or 6chan
12:17 definitelya Sugondese nuts
12:17 big-MAC you all are planning to do something bad to me, i look forward to whatever that is
12:17 MTDiscord <luatic> keep your shenanigans out of #minetest please
12:17 MTDiscord <luatic> (both of you)
12:17 definitelya Alright
12:18 big-MAC you want my ip address? definitelya
12:18 MTDiscord <jordan4ibanez> I shmell, bananaza
12:18 big-MAC do you know it already?
12:19 MTDiscord <kimapr> ip address? we don't need to know where you pee
12:19 MTDiscord <luatic> (i am not a moderator here btw, this is just a friendly reminder. i see no reason why you can't have this conversation in private. if either of you thinks there is a need for moderator intervention, you can notify moderators afterwards.)
12:19 big-MAC wasnt talking to you guy who doesnt want to know where i pee
12:20 big-MAC i have a fan group it seems
12:20 sfan5 !kick big-MAC
12:20 big-MAC was kicked by MinetestBot: big-MAC
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12:20 big-MAC rude.
12:20 sfan5 you were very clearly told to keep it out of here, next time is a ban
12:20 big-MAC are you part of my fan group?
12:21 MTDiscord <jordan4ibanez> https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126
12:21 sfan5 !ban big-MAC!*@*
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12:21 MTDiscord <jordan4ibanez> Oh no, what have I done, probably literally nothing but post a gif
12:23 lissobone Am I next?
12:24 MTDiscord <jordan4ibanez> No, we must protect the insane user lissobone
12:24 lissobone I do not deserve it.
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12:25 definitelya :|
12:25 MTDiscord <jordan4ibanez> You are the most precious user lissobone, you must be protected
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13:52 MinetestBot [git] okias -> minetest/minetest: Basic tablet/phone/watch autodetection (#14400) 4ab3c54 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/4ab3c54f5beb909dbcde657fa595c7058bb6725d (2024-04-21T13:51:58Z)
13:54 MinetestBot [git] grorp -> minetest/minetest: Fix some Game members not being freed after some startup errors (#14561) eb432d3 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/eb432d3da08d943326ab1b285e0e14e51cd17106 (2024-04-21T13:52:46Z)
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14:25 MTDiscord <thresher09> whitelisting the irc for contributors:
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17:26 MTDiscord <wsor4035> ban evasion on irc now? ūü§Ē
17:27 dibesfer im banned in #minetest-docs
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17:27 dibesfer even i wrote a biome guide there
17:29 dibesfer but yeah, anyway it seems i dont fit here
17:30 dibesfer I know it takes a time to forget, cuz i put in my soul
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18:43 lissobone Urgent question.
18:44 MTDiscord <.superstarsonic> what is it?
18:44 lissobone It appears that the option 'nssm.mob_difficulty' in NSSM is unused.  Like, at all, it is only mentioned in the whole codebase once and that's in the settings.  So I made it useful: basically made it do what it aimed to do.
18:44 lissobone But I have one question regarding pumpbooms, if you're familiar with them.
18:45 lissobone You see, they're unlike other NSSM mobs in a way that they don't simply punch the player.  They don't punch the player at all, in fact.  They explode.
18:45 MTDiscord <.superstarsonic> what is NSSM?
18:45 lissobone Discord moment.
18:45 lissobone It's a mod that adds many hostile creatures and powerful weapons to Minetest.
18:46 MTDiscord <.superstarsonic> sorry, never heard of it.
18:46 lissobone Now you have.  So, the question...
18:46 MTDiscord <luatic> NSSM was a big thing half a decade ago
18:46 MTDiscord <luatic> i remember stuffing it in my MTG mod soups
18:47 lissobone Pumpbooms approach the player and explode.  Simple, right?  In the mob definition they also have the 'boom_radius' parameter.  It would suck if the only thing the pumpbooms would have modified is the amount of health, so I want to know your opinion: should 'boom_radius' also be multiplied by 'nssm.mob_difficulty'?
18:48 lissobone 'nssm.mob_difficulty' aims to only affect health and damage, but does explosion radius count?  Or perhaps make it an option??  What do you, comrades, think?
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18:52 MTDiscord <luatic> 1. "comrade" is a bit of an odd term to use; 2. don't get hung up on such details, just do whatever you think makes sense, then gather some feedback on the mod as a whole and tweak in response to that
18:56 lissobone Okay, I will use my server as the petri dish, me predominantly being the only lab rat, unless my friends (like, only one) deign to join.
18:57 lissobone Actually, I haven't even tested it for realz yet.  I have just been speculating and wasting your time.  Thanks for letting me acknowledge my mistakes.
18:58 lissobone Okay, all emacs regexps executed, instances of 'hp_max', 'hp_min' and 'damage' modified accordingly...  Testing...
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19:03 lissobone Okay, it's just ultra-hardcore now.  And I have only set the difficulty to '4'!  Those damn Enderducks now have 160 hp and oneshot an unarmed player.
19:04 lissobone Wait, no... I had full bronze...
19:08 lissobone I have tested the small pumpboom, whose boom radius is 4 by default, and oh my gosh...  Calling that crater 'big' is an underestimation.  I have also detonated the actually large pumpboom, and it is still loading...
19:10 lissobone The crater is colossal.  I think that this is quite cool, just not what a regular player would enable.  I will make this a toggleable option.  Thank you again for listening.  I shal depart.
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20:20 lissobone Alright, I have also modified the NSSM rope so that it's at least somewhat useful: now it can extend downwards!
20:20 lissobone So far no bugs left.  Should be clear.
20:30 Mantar nice, NSSM was a pretty cool mod way back when. nice to see it being maintained
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