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| 11:10 |
shaft |
rubenwardy is powertripping on contentdb and banned me over nothing. I still want my mod to be available to other players though. Any kind soul wants to host my mod for me? https://gitgud.io/blut/blood_splatter |
| 11:12 |
erle |
shaft while i might disagree with rubenwardy over a bunch of things, i doubt you were banned ”over nothing” |
| 11:12 |
erle |
shaft what happen? |
| 11:13 |
erle |
shaft surely you got an explanation |
| 11:14 |
erle |
shaft did you set the correct content flags? it looks like your mod is “gore” https://content.minetest.net/help/content_flags/ |
| 11:15 |
shaft |
I did set it to gore and I did change the name from blood to blood_splatter to prevent the name collision. |
| 11:15 |
erle |
and then? |
| 11:15 |
erle |
i have had a mod rejected and did not get banned |
| 11:15 |
erle |
so i am curious |
| 11:17 |
shaft |
I told him he's feeling to self-important after he ranted about how reviewing my mod has super low priorities and it was already taking 17 hours, I told him I'm not the one who wants his mod reviewed, I just want it published and that other platforms like Nexusmods don't have pre-publishing reviews and he banned me over "abuse of cdb staff". Making a new account and resubmitting it without saying anything he banned the new |
| 11:17 |
shaft |
account for "ban evasion" |
| 11:17 |
shaft |
I said nothing I wouldn't say in a court room |
| 11:17 |
erle |
seems to me you might be the kind of person who is exactly as friendly to others as legally required |
| 11:17 |
erle |
if you get what i mean |
| 11:17 |
erle |
(i mean exactly what i say) |
| 11:17 |
shaft |
Yeah, I get it. |
| 11:17 |
rubenwardy |
https://content.minetest.net/threads/6832/ |
| 11:18 |
shaft |
Oh thanks. I didn't know how that I could view that without logging in. |
| 11:19 |
shaft |
It was embedded on the mod page, so I didn't exactly look at the url |
| 11:20 |
erle |
shaft look, given that you consider reviews “a waste of time” and wrote “I think the whole concept of pre-publish reviews is retarded. You're still not finished after 17 hours now” maybe you don't need a review. or an account on cdb. |
| 11:20 |
shaft |
I just want my mod there? You want to host it? |
| 11:20 |
erle |
no, because you seem to be an impatient and verbally abusive person to me |
| 11:21 |
erle |
nothing good can come from this |
| 11:21 |
shaft |
Like Linus Torvalds? |
| 11:21 |
erle |
look, i am not the most friendly person either |
| 11:21 |
erle |
but i know that volunteer work requires being patient |
| 11:22 |
erle |
like, no one owes you their time |
| 11:23 |
shaft |
but as I said, that wouldn't have been a problem on Nexusmods. Nexusmods just doesn't have a Minetest section and no integration. Users are not going to find it. |
| 11:23 |
erle |
yeah then use nexusmod instead |
| 11:23 |
shaft |
did you just read what I wrote? |
| 11:24 |
erle |
yes |
| 11:24 |
shaft |
I can't post minetest mods to nexusmods |
| 11:24 |
erle |
well, did you already tell them “not being able to post minetest mods is retarded” or similar verbal abuse? :P |
| 11:25 |
erle |
look, you are wrong. everyone else in that thread is right. |
| 11:25 |
erle |
and by that i mean you are wrong from a power-dynamics perspective |
| 11:25 |
erle |
you want THEM to do something FOR YOU |
| 11:25 |
erle |
so you could at least be a) patient b) not say that what you want is unnecessary anyway |
| 11:26 |
shaft |
No, I want them to click a button to remove a hurdle, they put there. |
| 11:26 |
erle |
you can see with chrome extensions how that goes |
| 11:26 |
erle |
(malware) |
| 11:26 |
shaft |
They can also just ignore what I write and release the mod whenever |
| 11:26 |
shaft |
I think the whole thing is very petty |
| 11:27 |
erle |
but they will not, because they are generall-agreed-upon rules which have not been too controversial in the past IIRC |
| 11:27 |
erle |
i think it does not matter if it is petty |
| 11:28 |
shaft |
I'm pretty sure many other other people want a blood splatter mod too and will be looking for it. Oh no there is none. It's in everyone's interest that good mods are easily available. |
| 11:28 |
erle |
the least you can do is post “hey i did what you wanted” and wait a day |
| 11:28 |
erle |
and maybe, JUST MAYBE, not start using bad words because you are impatient |
| 11:28 |
erle |
post it on the forums then? |
| 11:28 |
shaft |
I did not use insults. What's up with this marxist language? |
| 11:28 |
erle |
ideally without words like ”fucking”, “bullshit”, or “retarded” |
| 11:29 |
shaft |
I did not call anyone those words. |
| 11:29 |
erle |
well, i'm an anarchist |
| 11:29 |
shaft |
goes hand in hand |
| 11:29 |
erle |
na, tankies suck big time |
| 11:30 |
erle |
anyway |
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erle |
shaft do you want advice on how to resolve the situation? |
| 11:32 |
shaft |
I don't think it can be. Andrew Ward isn't looking like he's going to unbann me |
| 11:32 |
erle |
i'd bet money no one is going to unban you with that attitude |
| 11:32 |
shaft |
But I'd like advice |
| 11:32 |
shaft |
go ahead |
| 11:34 |
erle |
1. be patient next time you interact with any volunteer organization. |
| 11:34 |
erle |
2. if you want something from someone, don't call their process bullshit right away. |
| 11:34 |
erle |
3. take a deep breath and drink some tea. |
| 11:34 |
erle |
4. maybe apologize (once you have reflected on your behaviour) |
| 11:35 |
erle |
5. maybe ask cdb staff what the prerequisites are for you being allowed back on cdb |
| 11:36 |
erle |
shaft how much of that advice did you find usefu? |
| 11:36 |
shaft |
I wrote Ward an email but he didn't reply. |
| 11:36 |
shaft |
So none. |
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erle |
well, if that email was in the same tone i doubt it warrants a reply |
| 11:36 |
erle |
may i ask how old you are? |
| 11:38 |
erle |
also consider the following: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/09/linus-torvalds-apologizes-for-years-of-being-a-jerk-takes-time-off-to-learn-empathy/ |
| 11:38 |
shaft |
He's very famous, so he has a lot of pressure on it. |
| 11:39 |
erle |
yes and you want something from cdb staff, so you have a bit of pressure on it |
| 11:39 |
shaft |
Big companies and lots of money. He's not appologizing because he thinks it's morally right. |
| 11:39 |
shaft |
You're not a big company and you don't pay me shit. |
| 11:39 |
erle |
amazing how you can read people's minds at a distance |
| 11:40 |
shaft |
But you think you are and that what makes you people self-important. |
| 11:40 |
erle |
look, do you want me to spell it out using swear words? |
| 11:40 |
erle |
i am not even cdb staff |
| 11:40 |
shaft |
I'm not self-important go ahead |
| 11:41 |
erle |
i just think they acted reasonable and you acted like a total jerk |
| 11:41 |
shaft |
Yeah but you could host my mod for me, not because you like me but because you like the MT playerbase |
| 11:42 |
erle |
but i don't like the MT playerbase hehe |
| 11:42 |
erle |
also you seem like a pain in the ass to interact with |
| 11:42 |
erle |
given that you did not say “oh yes, maybe i should more patient” |
| 11:42 |
erle |
or “oh right, if i want something from someone i should be as friendly as they want me to be” |
| 11:42 |
shaft |
They never told me how long it would take |
| 11:43 |
shaft |
How long does it usually take? |
| 11:43 |
erle |
exactly as long as it has to |
| 11:43 |
shaft |
Patchtuesday like Microshit? |
| 11:43 |
erle |
when will it be done? when it's done |
| 11:43 |
erle |
let me look it up |
| 11:43 |
erle |
17 hours is not even a full day though |
| 11:43 |
erle |
like what did you expect and why? |
| 11:43 |
erle |
and what is this nexus thing anyway |
| 11:44 |
shaft |
nexusmods.com/ |
| 11:44 |
shaft |
You use it when you mod any other game |
| 11:44 |
erle |
> If you can mod it, we'll host it. |
| 11:44 |
erle |
i guess they are crooks and liars |
| 11:44 |
erle |
it seems to be a scam |
| 11:44 |
erle |
because you can mod minetest, but they are not hosting it! |
| 11:44 |
shaft |
I don't think moddb.com/ has any pre-publish reviews either |
| 11:44 |
erle |
yes so? |
| 11:45 |
erle |
then post your stuff there |
| 11:45 |
shaft |
They don't have sections for Minetest? You want me to post it in the Minecraft section instead? |
| 11:45 |
shaft |
I already told you. |
| 11:46 |
erle |
yeah so? |
| 11:46 |
erle |
other sites other rules |
| 11:47 |
shaft |
It's a fucking monopoly. |
| 11:47 |
MTDiscord |
<apercy> I will start using the name "erle" as a synonym for patience, you truly deserve it! Congratz |
| 11:47 |
erle |
lol |
| 11:47 |
erle |
i am not patient at all, i just have long-term plans and don't want to annoy people too much |
| 11:47 |
erle |
asking “when is it done?” is okay, going on a rant after 17 hours of no review is not |
| 11:48 |
erle |
make no mistake, i can be severely annoying, but mostly in the service of getting things done |
| 11:48 |
erle |
(and also i am just naturally annoying) |
| 11:49 |
shaft |
That is no different from me. |
| 11:49 |
MTDiscord |
<apercy> I just had to wait more than 72 hour for my ww1 planes mod to be approved and it is okay for me. |
| 11:51 |
shaft |
And someone explain how the review queue affects me? From how many mods get added recently there should be no more than two mods waiting for review max |
| 11:51 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> i see a lot of lies from shaft here, granted im not suprised |
| 11:51 |
erle |
rubenwardy by the way, clicking on the number with threads for a package does not seem to show the list of review threads for me. for example https://content.minetest.net/threads/?pid=1774 is linked for tga_encoder and i can access the threads https://content.minetest.net/threads/2772/ and https://content.minetest.net/threads/3333/ |
| 11:52 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> additionally, for the record, i was the one that banned you, so feel free to drag me through the mud over it. at least het the person your trying to attack right |
| 11:52 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> *get |
| 11:52 |
erle |
or is that ?pid link supposed to do something else? i am logged in btw |
| 11:53 |
shaft |
I'm not vengeful. I want my mod to be available to other users. I don't care about you. I care about people enjoying my mod |
| 11:54 |
shaft |
You should make me a moderator, so I can review MT packages faster. |
| 11:54 |
erle |
lol |
| 11:55 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> lol |
| 11:55 |
shaft |
Be more constructive. |
| 11:55 |
erle |
shaft what do you think of les grosman? https://onion.tube/watch?v=jUllJAjZf5g&t=45 |
| 11:56 |
shaft |
Never watched that. |
| 11:57 |
erle |
i suggest to watch that scene to get a slight hint of how to NOT interact with others |
| 11:57 |
erle |
you might also laugh |
| 11:58 |
erle |
btw apercy makes high quality mods and if that person has to wait 72 hours i don't see why you can expect less with your modified ggraffiti |
| 12:00 |
shaft |
What's your point? Just unban me and have it wait 72 hours. |
| 12:00 |
erle |
why should anyone unban you if you did not even repent? |
| 12:01 |
erle |
i have done forum moderation years ago and literally the first thing that gets you to not being banned is usually a believable claim to not act like a total fuckwad again |
| 12:01 |
erle |
and ban evasion is a big no-no |
| 12:02 |
erle |
like if you get banned, you don't disregard this |
| 12:02 |
erle |
it gets you k-lined on irc as well AFAIK |
| 12:02 |
shaft |
I didn't even make the new account. Someone else did for me on a forum and gave me the credentials. |
| 12:02 |
erle |
that walks like ban evasion and quacks like ban evasion |
| 12:02 |
erle |
so it is ban evasion |
| 12:02 |
erle |
i think you may be one of these funny people who point to the rules and say OH TECHNICALLY THIS IS ALLOWED |
| 12:02 |
shaft |
I didn't ask him to but he was a kind person |
| 12:03 |
erle |
now, listen up: no one cares. for all i know contentdb is a private server some people manage out of the good of their hearts |
| 12:03 |
erle |
if YOU want YOUR mod to be there, play by the rules |
| 12:03 |
shaft |
It's the mod monopoly integrated into Minetest |
| 12:04 |
erle |
you can literally just use dragonfire and use cheatdb instead lol |
| 12:04 |
erle |
(contentdb fork) |
| 12:05 |
erle |
also no amount of whining will change the power dynamics here |
| 12:05 |
erle |
you could even be totally in the right, you'd still have to play by the rules |
| 12:06 |
erle |
so suck it up, buttercup |
| 12:06 |
erle |
and try to figure out patience |
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shaft |
wsor4035 I'm sorry I've been rude. I'll try to be kinder towards moderation in the future. Are you going to unban me? |
| 12:07 |
erle |
that looks suspiciously like the minimum expected lol |
| 12:07 |
erle |
good luck though! |
| 12:07 |
shaft |
But I get shit done. You should seriously make me a mod to review packages |
| 12:09 |
shaft |
Do I have to use @wsor4035 or something? I don't use irc regularly |
| 12:12 |
erle |
patience |
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MTDiscord |
<bastrabun> This is perf top: 41.50% minetestserver [.] RollbackManager::getSuspectNearness(bool, irr::core::vector3d, long, irr::core::vector3d, long) |
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MTDiscord |
<bastrabun> There is also 29.52% minetestserver [.] RollbackManager::getSuspect[abi:cxx11](irr::core::vector3d, float, float) and 10.86% minetestserver [.] RollbackAction::getPosition(irr::core::vector3d*) const |
| 12:44 |
erle |
bastrabun wdym? |
| 12:44 |
MTDiscord |
<bastrabun> Any idea what it is doing? |
| 12:44 |
erle |
rollbacking? |
| 12:45 |
MTDiscord |
<bastrabun> What exactly? |
| 12:45 |
MTDiscord |
<bastrabun> Does it do a rollback check? |
| 12:45 |
MTDiscord |
<bastrabun> Does it do a rollback operation? How can I see that? |
| 12:46 |
erle |
i have no idea |
| 12:47 |
MTDiscord |
<bastrabun> I have no idea either, that's why I'm asking the experts here |
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MTDiscord |
<bastrabun> Riddle solved, was an enormous water spill |
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shaft |
Wsor Are you gonna forgive me or will you decide tomorrow or in a week? |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> It is unlikely you will be forgiven if you continue the behavior that led to your banning in the first place. |
| 14:35 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> If you want to get unbanned, you should first demonstrate that you're capable of interacting in other spaces in ways that aren't ban-worthy, and that you'll carry that reform over to the places you were banned from before, if reinstated. |
| 14:35 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Considering that you had a very short history of interaction on CDB, but all of it was negative, something on the order of weeks seems reasonable before reconsideration, I guess. |
| 14:37 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Really, the question of "what is the minimum I need to do to get unbanned" is inherently paradoxical... |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Ich denke, Sfan5 ist ziemlich schlau 🧠 |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> I have no idea how this translator keyboard function is doing, but I'm gonna find out based on the responses |
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sfan5 |
it apparently does fine |
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sfan5 |
@bastrabun in general I'd say it's better not to enable anything related to rollback these days |
| 15:51 |
sfan5 |
it's essentially unmaintaned code since 4+ years |
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sfan5 |
with performance implications |
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shaft |
I apologized. Will I ever get unbanned or am I just wasting my time? |
| 17:32 |
erle |
shaft do you think an apology is some magic word to open doors? |
| 17:33 |
erle |
shaft what do you plan to do different next time you submit a package for review, if that is ever allowed again? |
| 17:33 |
shaft |
Not say anything and wait |
| 17:45 |
muurkha |
shaft: if you think it's a waste of time to apologize if you aren't forgiven, your apology is insincere, merely an attempt to manipulate others rather than sincere contrition |
| 17:50 |
shaft |
It is a sincere apology. I promise to try to not write anything that can be taken as offensive anymore, now that I know you are offended easily. |
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copygirl |
Is it possible to spawn an entity that's only visible to a single player? |
| 17:52 |
copygirl |
Oh wow, "now that I know you are offended easily". I think you haven't apologized, mate. |
| 17:53 |
shaft |
Not easily copygirl https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8045 |
| 17:53 |
shaft |
I apologise, I'm sorry to have offended the moderation |
| 17:54 |
copygirl |
You should understand what you have done and apologize for doing it, not apologize for others being offended. |
| 17:55 |
copygirl |
I'm not sure if that's a language (or perhaps culture) barrier, or you just don't understand the basics of a sincere apology. |
| 17:55 |
shaft |
I said I'm sorry *I HAVE* offeneded them. So I'm sorry for what I have done |
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shaft |
English is not my first language |
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erle |
copygirl i doubt it is a language barrier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-apology_apology |
| 17:57 |
erle |
mistakes were made! (but not by me) |
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shaft |
I said, I'm sorry. I was rude. I won't be rude to the moderation ever again |
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shaft |
I made the mistake |
| 17:57 |
erle |
that definitely sounds better |
| 17:57 |
copygirl |
The correct way is not to apologize for what you have caused, but for what you have done or said, such as "I'm apologize I said X, I can see it was out of line / too much / [whatever applies here]" |
| 17:57 |
shaft |
I can see it was out of line |
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copygirl |
I don't know what happened here, but as a rule of thumb, even if you think moderation is unfair, you should listen to them. |
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copygirl |
I appreciate you linking me to the issue. Thank you. Good luck with your appeal. |
| 17:59 |
shaft |
I did. I renamed my mod from blood to blood_splatter. That was not the problem. It was me being very impatiant and getting angry at them. |
| 17:59 |
copygirl |
That's a good way to apologize |
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shaft |
https://content.minetest.net/threads/6832/ |
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copygirl |
You did use the r-word, that could've been a trigger for the ban. |
| 18:02 |
copygirl |
(Along with being impatient overall.) |
| 18:02 |
shaft |
I applied it to the process not to people |
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copygirl |
In certain spaces, the r-word is a big no-no slur. |
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Krock |
the rubenwordy r-word ? |
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shaft |
In a way it is re-tarded in a literal sense like being outdated |
| 18:03 |
shaft |
Maybe my ESL is shining through |
| 18:03 |
Krock |
outtarded redated |
| 18:04 |
copygirl |
It doesn't make sense to argue about it, if it was actually the cause of the ban. Apologize for using the word, try not to use it. |
| 18:04 |
erle |
shaft i have another video for you from the same movie (tropic thunder) https://onion.tube/watch?v=1Y3FzVQi-R8 |
| 18:04 |
shaft |
I don't watch much movies |
| 18:04 |
shaft |
*many |
| 18:06 |
copygirl |
And as a rule of thumb, don't just call things bad, but rather explain why you think it's the case. I'm sure there's reasons why Minetest does things the way it does and it has its up- and downsides. |
| 18:06 |
shaft |
I thought it was for self-important. Well, it doesn't matter. I apologize for using the r-word and promise to never use it again |
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| 18:07 |
shaft |
I only see downsides in everything. That's the way of the coder. |
| 18:08 |
muurkha |
I doubt it was a keyword thing triggered by the particular insult being used, but more the fact that you were attempting to insult people and order them around |
| 18:10 |
shaft |
I wasn't attempting to insult people but did. |
| 18:10 |
shaft |
I apologize |
| 18:11 |
muurkha |
You were totally attempting to insult people; that's why you said "retarded". |
| 18:12 |
muurkha |
That wasn't a typo |
| 18:13 |
shaft |
I didn't call anyone the r-word. I said the "concept of pre-publish reviews" is. And that's an opinion. https://content.minetest.net/threads/6832/ |
| 18:14 |
shaft |
I will not openly state such opinions again. |
| 18:14 |
shaft |
I can see how may be hurtful to Minetest moderators |
| 18:14 |
shaft |
And I won't use the r-word |
| 18:20 |
shaft |
I mean I won't state them again, neither open or closed |
| 18:23 |
erle |
well if you want to take part in stuff that uses reviews, you have to deal with the reviews |
| 18:24 |
erle |
i can assure you that stuff like “your mod name is already taken” improves your mod |
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| 18:28 |
shaft |
I changed it in a timely manner and had discourse to enlighten myself, not out of pure disagreement. Now I know Blood HUD is inside this 10000 downloads mod. I thought that one privided some own different package also named "blood". |
| 18:29 |
shaft |
But they are the same package distributed in two different ways. |
| 18:29 |
erle |
i believe download count does not matter |
| 18:30 |
shaft |
May not matter to you but it does to me because it helps me know what users want. Might want to add a blood to the screen too in my mod if that's so popular. |
| 18:31 |
definitelya |
The troll got what they wanted it seems: someone to keep them entertained for hours. |
| 18:32 |
shaft |
who is the troll? |
| 18:33 |
definitelya |
beehave |
| 18:35 |
shaft |
Check out my mod on https://gitgud.io/blut/blood_splatter |
| 18:38 |
erle |
shaft have you seen my mod unicode_text? you could use it to splatter insults everywhere |
| 18:38 |
erle |
like make people bleed words |
| 18:38 |
erle |
or like funny effects |
| 18:38 |
erle |
like shood someone and it says OUCH on the next node, in red |
| 18:39 |
erle |
shoot |
| 18:39 |
shaft |
I think signlib already handles most unicode text |
| 18:39 |
erle |
i have looked at signlib and you are sorely mistaken |
| 18:39 |
erle |
there is a reason i have written unicode_text |
| 18:40 |
erle |
it can, for example, handle combining characters |
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| 18:40 |
erle |
(in a very hacky way) |
| 18:40 |
erle |
or do kerning (in a very hacky way) |
| 18:40 |
shaft |
It handles most European languages. |
| 18:40 |
erle |
yes but i wanted to render emoji |
| 18:41 |
shaft |
Does it handle ASCII art? |
| 18:41 |
erle |
and i got my goal, because as soon as unicode_text was published, cora made the unicode signs mod |
| 18:41 |
erle |
i got to |
| 18:41 |
erle |
look here: https://codeberg.org/cora/uc_signs |
| 18:42 |
shaft |
Oh it does large text |
| 18:42 |
erle |
shaft here is an example rendering: https://content.minetest.net/uploads/37b12cab68.png |
| 18:44 |
erle |
i think it would be funny to have a literal_blood mod |
| 18:44 |
erle |
that just smears words everywhere |
| 18:46 |
muurkha |
haha |
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shaft |
I tried Unicode signs. I'm doing something wrong. I just get the regular sign gui. How do you make bold large text? |
| 18:53 |
erle |
it stretches the textures to the sign area |
| 18:53 |
erle |
i think |
| 18:53 |
erle |
so just input a single character |
| 18:53 |
erle |
or two |
| 18:53 |
erle |
they will be very large |
| 18:56 |
shaft |
Oh, I had still had signlib enabled. How do you make bold text like in your image? |
| 18:56 |
shaft |
Editing is not working for wooden signs |
| 18:56 |
erle |
this is unicode characters |
| 18:57 |
erle |
tell that to cora |
| 18:57 |
erle |
shaft here http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/bin/ascii2unicode.html |
| 18:57 |
shaft |
I don't like abusing mathematical characters for formatting |
| 18:58 |
erle |
that's on you. the whole thing is rendered to a texture server-side anyway |
| 18:59 |
shaft |
Doesn't help me as it's not in an editable PNG in the world folder. I think I'll stick with ascii art and signlib |
| 19:05 |
erle |
shaft editing is not supported |
| 19:06 |
shaft |
Then you might as well draw it on the wall with ggraffiti. Pretty cool mod. |
| 19:16 |
copygirl |
Another quick question is there a way to set entities to not be saved? |
| 19:16 |
shaft |
Yes |
| 19:17 |
shaft |
static_save = false, |
| 19:17 |
shaft |
in initial_properties |
| 19:17 |
shaft |
I know because I did in my mod |
| 19:17 |
copygirl |
Okay hmm, I guess the API words this weirdly since it mentions "when the block gets unloaded". |
| 19:18 |
shaft |
You can look in my mod in canvas for lua for a code example |
| 19:18 |
copygirl |
But it makes sense it would do the same for non-node entities. |
| 19:18 |
shaft |
It gets unloaded when you quit the game too |
| 19:22 |
shaft |
Pls unban me. |
| 19:22 |
muurkha |
I think if you keep pleading to be unbanned you are likely to get banned from more places |
| 19:24 |
copygirl |
Is this the right place to appeal a ban, anyway? |
| 19:24 |
shaft |
If you unban me, I won't have to plead anymore. |
| 19:24 |
shaft |
I have no idea |
| 19:25 |
shaft |
It didn't see anything about ban appeals anywhere |
| 19:28 |
shaft |
Is there something like minetest.register_on_joinplayer? |
| 19:32 |
shaft |
Oh, it exists |
| 19:34 |
copygirl |
Heh |
| 19:35 |
copygirl |
If we're not supposed to keep around ObjectRefs, what is a good way to store a reference to a specific entity in a lookup table? (In my case, a player name -> entity lookup.) |
| 19:36 |
copygirl |
Is it okay to keep the luaentity around? |
| 19:48 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> You can keep the objref as long as you check it's still valid before using it. |
| 19:48 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> you might want something like an id system though, in this case with playernames as ids |
| 19:49 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> i don't know the specifics of your use case, but i'd insert the objref / entity (whichever you prefer to work with) into the lookup table in on_activate, and remove it in on_deactivate |
| 19:53 |
copygirl |
Perhaps using on_deactivate is less error prone if the entity might be removed through other means. |
| 19:58 |
shaft |
How do you make animated hud elements? |
| 19:58 |
shaft |
Preferibly only for the person using the mod and not server-side |
| 19:58 |
shaft |
I mean for the client |
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DeepThgt |
also sfan5 i think i neglected to say so, but ty for your compile one liner |
| 20:22 |
DeepThgt |
anyone else notice 5.7.0 is broken/doesnt compile? |
| 20:23 |
DeepThgt |
errs like |
| 20:23 |
DeepThgt |
var/tmp/tmp.bqiFpJ60fh/minetest/src/client/tile.h:240:34: error: ‘class irr::video::SMaterial’ has no member named ‘TextureLayer’; did you mean ‘TextureLayers’? |
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copygirl |
There's some tweening applied when calling set_rotation, can that be disabled? |
| 20:38 |
copygirl |
(Is that the right work for it?) |
| 20:40 |
copygirl |
word*. how ironic |
| 20:41 |
copygirl |
Funnily enough, set_pos seems to be instant? |
| 20:41 |
copygirl |
Am I going to have to remove and re-create the entity to get the rotation I want to be applied instantly? |
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shaft |
Have you tried set_yaw, set_pitch and set_roll? |
| 21:17 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> copygirl: unfortunately there's no way to turn off the rotation interpolation. bone overrides aren't interpolated however, so if you were to use a model with a bone you could override that bone to have the desired rotation. |
| 21:18 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> shaft: those are just shorthands for setting specific axes of the rotation, AFAIK. they probably use the same mechanism in the end. |
| 21:29 |
sfan5 |
DeepThgt: ah in that case the one-liner has to be adjusted to clone the right irrlicht version |
| 21:31 |
copygirl |
Hmm thank you. I think I will just re-create the entity. |
| 21:32 |
DeepThgt |
ty sfan5, i had gotten it corrected |
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MTDiscord |
<warr1024> destroying and recreating the entity may cause a different kind of jank, if the destroy and create packets arrive far enough apart ... but it might still work out to look fine, after all. I've got a few situations in NodeCore where I destroy and recreate an entity for various reasons and the jank I get from it is still less than the impact of the tweening that I do. |
| 21:39 |
DeepThgt |
ok minetest-mapserver is just a cool project |
| 21:42 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> prefer the live mapserver myself |
| 21:48 |
shaft |
Wsor would you please forgive me? |
| 21:52 |
shaft |
I'm sorry I've been rude. I won't be rude to the moderation ever again. |
| 21:53 |
shaft |
Please allow my package to be on ContentDB. I'll wait patiently. |
| 22:07 |
shaft |
Are you going to ignore for me forever? Just say so please, if that's the case. |
| 22:09 |
shaft |
[yes/no/maybe] |
| 22:11 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> You asked less than half an hour ago and you're already demanding an answer immediately? That ... sounds an awful lot like what got you in trouble in the first place. |
| 22:12 |
shaft |
I'm not demanding an answer. I already asked many times and he just said something so I thought he may be online. |
| 22:12 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> Consider that it's not just wsor's (or any one person's) decision, and it takes time to decide these things and consider the consequences. This isn't necessarily just about you personally, but there are questions of policy and precedent. |
| 22:13 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> ^ this |
| 22:16 |
shaft |
How about you give me an estimated timeframe (when I should return). Can't be here all the time and poll like USB. I don't know what you consider "enough". |
| 22:16 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> try back this time roughly tommorrow, will use !tell command if earlier |
| 22:17 |
erle |
shaft did you at least watch the videos i sent |
| 22:17 |
shaft |
It's a little late here. I'll probably come two hours earlier or the day after tomorrow. |
| 22:18 |
erle |
yeah it's shortly after midnight in europe/berlin |
| 22:18 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> copygirl: oh yet another option if you're fine with multiple entities: set_attach allows you to specify a relative rotation. you could probably abuse that. |
| 22:19 |
erle |
hey luatic wanna help me with this one https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13921 ? |
| 22:19 |
erle |
luatic i have two questions that can help me figure out if it is a driver bug: 1. does this happen on GPUs that use a different driver? 2. how does the api trace look when replayed on a different GPU? |
| 22:21 |
erle |
(apitrace just slurps up all the rendering commands to spit them out, i.e. if it looks correct for you, it's a driver issue for me) |
| 22:22 |
erle |
(OTOH if it looks correct for you in minetest that does not mean much for me) |
| 22:23 |
erle |
apitrace is an amazing tool btw |
| 22:23 |
erle |
i wish i knew it earlier |
| 22:24 |
MTDiscord |
<warr1024> sounds like the best way to figure out which apit is the fastest. |
| 22:24 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> erle: sorry, i'm pretty busy rn |
| 22:25 |
erle |
no problem |
| 22:25 |
erle |
i am also asking mesa folks to look into it |
| 22:25 |
erle |
last time i did that they fixed the etnaviv driver for reform2 |
| 22:25 |
erle |
it was also a backface culling issue |
| 22:26 |
erle |
(back of the player face was not culled, so you only saw a big player face instead of the rest of minetest) |
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