Time  Nick        Message
11:10 shaft       rubenwardy is powertripping on contentdb and banned me over nothing. I still want my mod to be available to other players though. Any kind soul wants to host my mod for me? https://gitgud.io/blut/blood_splatter
11:12 erle        shaft while i might disagree with rubenwardy over a bunch of things, i doubt you were banned ”over nothing”
11:12 erle        shaft what happen?
11:13 erle        shaft surely you got an explanation
11:14 erle        shaft did you set the correct content flags? it looks like your mod is “gore” https://content.minetest.net/help/content_flags/
11:15 shaft       I did set it to gore and I did change the name from blood to blood_splatter to prevent the name collision.
11:15 erle        and then?
11:15 erle        i have had a mod rejected and did not get banned
11:15 erle        so i am curious
11:17 shaft       I told him he's feeling to self-important after he ranted about how reviewing my mod has super low priorities and it was already taking 17 hours, I told him I'm not the one who wants his mod reviewed, I just want it published and that other platforms like Nexusmods don't have pre-publishing reviews and he banned me over "abuse of cdb staff". Making a new account and resubmitting it without saying anything he banned the new
11:17 shaft       account for "ban evasion"
11:17 shaft       I said nothing I wouldn't say in a court room
11:17 erle        seems to me you might be the kind of person who is exactly as friendly to others as legally required
11:17 erle        if you get what i mean
11:17 erle        (i mean exactly what i say)
11:17 shaft       Yeah, I get it.
11:17 rubenwardy  https://content.minetest.net/threads/6832/
11:18 shaft       Oh thanks. I didn't know how that I could view that without logging in.
11:19 shaft       It was embedded on the mod page, so I didn't exactly look at the url
11:20 erle        shaft look, given that you consider reviews “a waste of time” and wrote “I think the whole concept of pre-publish reviews is retarded. You're still not finished after 17 hours now” maybe you don't need a review. or an account on cdb.
11:20 shaft       I just want my mod there? You want to host it?
11:20 erle        no, because you seem to be an impatient and verbally abusive person to me
11:21 erle        nothing good can come from this
11:21 shaft       Like Linus Torvalds?
11:21 erle        look, i am not the most friendly person either
11:21 erle        but i know that volunteer work requires being patient
11:22 erle        like, no one owes you their time
11:23 shaft       but as I said, that wouldn't have been a problem on Nexusmods. Nexusmods just doesn't have a Minetest section and no integration. Users are not going to find it.
11:23 erle        yeah then use nexusmod instead
11:23 shaft       did you just read what I wrote?
11:24 erle        yes
11:24 shaft       I can't post minetest mods to nexusmods
11:24 erle        well, did you already tell them “not being able to post minetest mods is retarded” or similar verbal abuse? :P
11:25 erle        look, you are wrong. everyone else in that thread is right.
11:25 erle        and by that i mean you are wrong from a power-dynamics perspective
11:25 erle        you want THEM to do something FOR YOU
11:25 erle        so you could at least be a) patient b) not say that what you want is unnecessary anyway
11:26 shaft       No, I want them to click a button to remove a hurdle, they put there.
11:26 erle        you can see with chrome extensions how that goes
11:26 erle        (malware)
11:26 shaft       They can also just ignore what I write and release the mod whenever
11:26 shaft       I think the whole thing is very petty
11:27 erle        but they will not, because they are generall-agreed-upon rules which have not been too controversial in the past IIRC
11:27 erle        i think it does not matter if it is petty
11:28 shaft       I'm pretty sure many other other people want a blood splatter mod too and will be looking for it. Oh no there is none. It's in everyone's interest that good mods are easily available.
11:28 erle        the least you can do is post “hey i did what you wanted” and wait a day
11:28 erle        and maybe, JUST MAYBE, not start using bad words because you are impatient
11:28 erle        post it on the forums then?
11:28 shaft       I did not use insults. What's up with this marxist language?
11:28 erle        ideally without words like ”fucking”, “bullshit”, or “retarded”
11:29 shaft       I did not call anyone those words.
11:29 erle        well, i'm an anarchist
11:29 shaft       goes hand in hand
11:29 erle        na, tankies suck big time
11:30 erle        anyway
11:31 erle        shaft do you want advice on how to resolve the situation?
11:32 shaft       I don't think it can be. Andrew Ward isn't looking like he's going to unbann me
11:32 erle        i'd bet money no one is going to unban you with that attitude
11:32 shaft       But I'd like advice
11:32 shaft       go ahead
11:34 erle        1. be patient next time you interact with any volunteer organization.
11:34 erle        2. if you want something from someone, don't call their process bullshit right away.
11:34 erle        3. take a deep breath and drink some tea.
11:34 erle        4. maybe apologize (once you have reflected on your behaviour)
11:35 erle        5. maybe ask cdb staff what the prerequisites are for you being allowed back on cdb
11:36 erle        shaft how much of that advice did you find usefu?
11:36 shaft       I wrote Ward an email but he didn't reply.
11:36 shaft       So none.
11:36 erle        well, if that email was in the same tone i doubt it warrants a reply
11:36 erle        may i ask how old you are?
11:38 erle        also consider the following: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/09/linus-torvalds-apologizes-for-years-of-being-a-jerk-takes-time-off-to-learn-empathy/
11:38 shaft       He's very famous, so he has a lot of pressure on it.
11:39 erle        yes and you want something from cdb staff, so you have a bit of pressure on it
11:39 shaft       Big companies and lots of money. He's not appologizing because he thinks it's morally right.
11:39 shaft       You're not a big company and you don't pay me shit.
11:39 erle        amazing how you can read people's minds at a distance
11:40 shaft       But you think you are and that what makes you people self-important.
11:40 erle        look, do you want me to spell it out using swear words?
11:40 erle        i am not even cdb staff
11:40 shaft       I'm not self-important go ahead
11:41 erle        i just think they acted reasonable and you acted like a total jerk
11:41 shaft       Yeah but you could host my mod for me, not because you like me but because you like the MT playerbase
11:42 erle        but i don't like the MT playerbase hehe
11:42 erle        also you seem like a pain in the ass to interact with
11:42 erle        given that you did not say “oh yes, maybe i should more patient”
11:42 erle        or “oh right, if i want something from someone i should be as friendly as they want me to be”
11:42 shaft       They never told me how long it would take
11:43 shaft       How long does it usually take?
11:43 erle        exactly as long as it has to
11:43 shaft       Patchtuesday like Microshit?
11:43 erle        when will it be done? when it's done
11:43 erle        let me look it up
11:43 erle        17 hours is not even a full day though
11:43 erle        like what did you expect and why?
11:43 erle        and what is this nexus thing anyway
11:44 shaft       nexusmods.com/
11:44 shaft       You use it when you mod any other game
11:44 erle        > If you can mod it, we'll host it.
11:44 erle        i guess they are crooks and liars
11:44 erle        it seems to be a scam
11:44 erle        because you can mod minetest, but they are not hosting it!
11:44 shaft       I don't think moddb.com/ has any pre-publish reviews either
11:44 erle        yes so?
11:45 erle        then post your stuff there
11:45 shaft       They don't have sections for Minetest? You want me to post it in the Minecraft section instead?
11:45 shaft       I already told you.
11:46 erle        yeah so?
11:46 erle        other sites other rules
11:47 shaft       It's a fucking monopoly.
11:47 MTDiscord   <apercy> I will start using the name "erle" as a synonym for patience, you truly deserve it! Congratz
11:47 erle        lol
11:47 erle        i am not patient at all, i just have long-term plans and don't want to annoy people too much
11:47 erle        asking “when is it done?” is okay, going on a rant after 17 hours of no review is not
11:48 erle        make no mistake, i can be severely annoying, but mostly in the service of getting things done
11:48 erle        (and also i am just naturally annoying)
11:49 shaft       That is no different from me.
11:49 MTDiscord   <apercy> I just had to wait more than 72 hour for my ww1 planes mod to be approved and it is okay for me.
11:51 shaft       And someone explain how the review queue affects me? From how many mods get added recently there should be no more than two mods waiting for review max
11:51 MTDiscord   <wsor4035> i see a lot of lies from shaft here, granted im not suprised
11:51 erle        rubenwardy by the way, clicking on the number with threads for a package does not seem to show the list of review threads for me. for example https://content.minetest.net/threads/?pid=1774 is linked for tga_encoder and i can access the threads https://content.minetest.net/threads/2772/ and https://content.minetest.net/threads/3333/
11:52 MTDiscord   <wsor4035> additionally, for the record, i was the one that banned you, so feel free to drag me through the mud over it. at least het the person your trying to attack right
11:52 MTDiscord   <wsor4035> *get
11:52 erle        or is that ?pid link supposed to do something else? i am logged in btw
11:53 shaft       I'm not vengeful. I want my mod to be available to other users. I don't care about you. I care about people enjoying my mod
11:54 shaft       You should make me a moderator, so I can review MT packages faster.
11:54 erle        lol
11:55 MTDiscord   <wsor4035> lol
11:55 shaft       Be more constructive.
11:55 erle        shaft what do you think of les grosman? https://onion.tube/watch?v=jUllJAjZf5g&t=45
11:56 shaft       Never watched that.
11:57 erle        i suggest to watch that scene to get a slight hint of how to NOT interact with others
11:57 erle        you might also laugh
11:58 erle        btw apercy makes high quality mods and if that person has to wait 72 hours i don't see why you can expect less with your modified ggraffiti
12:00 shaft       What's your point? Just unban me and have it wait 72 hours.
12:00 erle        why should anyone unban you if you did not even repent?
12:01 erle        i have done forum moderation years ago and literally the first thing that gets you to not being banned is usually a believable claim to not act like a total fuckwad again
12:01 erle        and ban evasion is a big no-no
12:02 erle        like if you get banned, you don't disregard this
12:02 erle        it gets you k-lined on irc as well AFAIK
12:02 shaft       I didn't even make the new account. Someone else did for me on a forum and gave me the credentials.
12:02 erle        that walks like ban evasion and quacks like ban evasion
12:02 erle        so it is ban evasion
12:02 erle        i think you may be one of these funny people who point to the rules and say OH TECHNICALLY THIS IS ALLOWED
12:02 shaft       I didn't ask him to but he was a kind person
12:03 erle        now, listen up: no one cares. for all i know contentdb is a private server some people manage out of the good of their hearts
12:03 erle        if YOU want YOUR mod to be there, play by the rules
12:03 shaft       It's the mod monopoly integrated into Minetest
12:04 erle        you can literally just use dragonfire and use cheatdb instead lol
12:04 erle        (contentdb fork)
12:05 erle        also no amount of whining will change the power dynamics here
12:05 erle        you could even be totally in the right, you'd still have to play by the rules
12:06 erle        so suck it up, buttercup
12:06 erle        and try to figure out patience
12:06 shaft       wsor4035 I'm sorry I've been rude. I'll try to be kinder towards moderation in the future. Are you going to unban me?
12:07 erle        that looks suspiciously like the minimum expected lol
12:07 erle        good luck though!
12:07 shaft       But I get shit done. You should seriously make me a mod to review packages
12:09 shaft       Do I have to use @wsor4035 or something? I don't use irc regularly
12:12 erle        patience
12:44 MTDiscord   <bastrabun> This is perf top: 41.50% minetestserver [.] RollbackManager::getSuspectNearness(bool, irr::core::vector3d, long, irr::core::vector3d, long)
12:44 MTDiscord   <bastrabun> There is also  29.52% minetestserver [.] RollbackManager::getSuspect[abi:cxx11](irr::core::vector3d, float, float) and  10.86% minetestserver [.] RollbackAction::getPosition(irr::core::vector3d*) const
12:44 erle        bastrabun wdym?
12:44 MTDiscord   <bastrabun> Any idea what it is doing?
12:44 erle        rollbacking?
12:45 MTDiscord   <bastrabun> What exactly?
12:45 MTDiscord   <bastrabun> Does it do a rollback check?
12:45 MTDiscord   <bastrabun> Does it do a rollback operation? How can I see that?
12:46 erle        i have no idea
12:47 MTDiscord   <bastrabun> I have no idea either, that's why I'm asking the experts here
13:13 MTDiscord   <bastrabun> Riddle solved, was an enormous water spill
13:49 shaft       Wsor Are you gonna forgive me or will you decide tomorrow or in a week?
14:33 MTDiscord   <warr1024> It is unlikely you will be forgiven if you continue the behavior that led to your banning in the first place.
14:35 MTDiscord   <warr1024> If you want to get unbanned, you should first demonstrate that you're capable of interacting in other spaces in ways that aren't ban-worthy, and that you'll carry that reform over to the places you were banned from before, if reinstated.
14:35 MTDiscord   <warr1024> Considering that you had a very short history of interaction on CDB, but all of it was negative, something on the order of weeks seems reasonable before reconsideration, I guess.
14:37 MTDiscord   <warr1024> Really, the question of "what is the minimum I need to do to get unbanned" is inherently paradoxical...
15:43 MTDiscord   <jordan4ibanez> Ich denke, Sfan5 ist ziemlich schlau 🧠
15:44 MTDiscord   <jordan4ibanez> I have no idea how this translator keyboard function is doing, but I'm gonna find out based on the responses
15:50 sfan5       it apparently does fine
15:51 sfan5       @bastrabun in general I'd say it's better not to enable anything related to rollback these days
15:51 sfan5       it's essentially unmaintaned code since 4+ years
15:51 sfan5       with performance implications
17:30 shaft       I apologized. Will I ever get unbanned or am I just wasting my time?
17:32 erle        shaft do you think an apology is some magic word to open doors?
17:33 erle        shaft what do you plan to do different next time you submit a package for review, if that is ever allowed again?
17:33 shaft       Not say anything and wait
17:45 muurkha     shaft: if you think it's a waste of time to apologize if you aren't forgiven, your apology is insincere, merely an attempt to manipulate others rather than sincere contrition
17:50 shaft       It is a sincere apology. I promise to try to not write anything that can be taken as offensive anymore, now that I know you are offended easily.
17:51 copygirl    Is it possible to spawn an entity that's only visible to a single player?
17:52 copygirl    Oh wow, "now that I know you are offended easily". I think you haven't apologized, mate.
17:53 shaft       Not easily copygirl https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8045
17:53 shaft       I apologise, I'm sorry to have offended the moderation
17:54 copygirl    You should understand what you have done and apologize for doing it, not apologize for others being offended.
17:55 copygirl    I'm not sure if that's a language (or perhaps culture) barrier, or you just don't understand the basics of a sincere apology.
17:55 shaft       I said I'm sorry *I HAVE* offeneded them. So I'm sorry for what I have done
17:56 shaft       English is not my first language
17:56 erle        copygirl i doubt it is a language barrier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-apology_apology
17:57 erle        mistakes were made! (but not by me)
17:57 shaft       I said, I'm sorry. I was rude. I won't be rude to the moderation ever again
17:57 shaft       I made the mistake
17:57 erle        that definitely sounds better
17:57 copygirl    The correct way is not to apologize for what you have caused, but for what you have done or said, such as "I'm apologize I said X, I can see it was out of line / too much / [whatever applies here]"
17:57 shaft       I can see it was out of line
17:58 copygirl    I don't know what happened here, but as a rule of thumb, even if you think moderation is unfair, you should listen to them.
17:59 copygirl    I appreciate you linking me to the issue. Thank you. Good luck with your appeal.
17:59 shaft       I did. I renamed my mod from blood to blood_splatter. That was not the problem. It was me being very impatiant and getting angry at them.
17:59 copygirl    That's a good way to apologize
18:00 shaft       https://content.minetest.net/threads/6832/
18:01 copygirl    You did use the r-word, that could've been a trigger for the ban.
18:02 copygirl    (Along with being impatient overall.)
18:02 shaft       I applied it to the process not to people
18:02 copygirl    In certain spaces, the r-word is a big no-no slur.
18:02 Krock       the rubenwordy r-word ?
18:03 shaft       In a way it is re-tarded in a literal sense like being outdated
18:03 shaft       Maybe my ESL is shining through
18:03 Krock       outtarded redated
18:04 copygirl    It doesn't make sense to argue about it, if it was actually the cause of the ban. Apologize for using the word, try not to use it.
18:04 erle        shaft i have another video for you from the same movie (tropic thunder) https://onion.tube/watch?v=1Y3FzVQi-R8
18:04 shaft       I don't watch much movies
18:04 shaft       *many
18:06 copygirl    And as a rule of thumb, don't just call things bad, but rather explain why you think it's the case. I'm sure there's reasons why Minetest does things the way it does and it has its up- and downsides.
18:06 shaft       I thought it was for self-important. Well, it doesn't matter. I apologize for using the r-word and promise to never use it again
18:07 shaft       I only see downsides in everything. That's the way of the coder.
18:08 muurkha     I doubt it was a keyword thing triggered by the particular insult being used, but more the fact that you were attempting to insult people and order them around
18:10 shaft       I wasn't attempting to insult people but did.
18:10 shaft       I apologize
18:11 muurkha     You were totally attempting to insult people; that's why you said "retarded".
18:12 muurkha     That wasn't a typo
18:13 shaft       I didn't call anyone the r-word. I said the "concept of pre-publish reviews" is. And that's an opinion. https://content.minetest.net/threads/6832/
18:14 shaft       I will not openly state such opinions again.
18:14 shaft       I can see how may be hurtful to Minetest moderators
18:14 shaft       And I won't use the r-word
18:20 shaft       I mean I won't state them again, neither open or closed
18:23 erle        well if you want to take part in stuff that uses reviews, you have to deal with the reviews
18:24 erle        i can assure you that stuff like “your mod name is already taken” improves your mod
18:28 shaft       I changed it in a timely manner and had discourse to enlighten myself, not out of pure disagreement. Now I know Blood HUD is inside this 10000 downloads mod. I thought that one privided some own different package also named "blood".
18:29 shaft       But they are the same package distributed in two different ways.
18:29 erle        i believe download count does not matter
18:30 shaft       May not matter to you but it does to me because it helps me know what users want. Might want to add a blood to the screen too in my mod if that's so popular.
18:31 definitelya The troll got what they wanted it seems: someone to keep them entertained for hours.
18:32 shaft       who is the troll?
18:33 definitelya beehave
18:35 shaft       Check out my mod on https://gitgud.io/blut/blood_splatter
18:38 erle        shaft have you seen my mod unicode_text? you could use it to splatter insults everywhere
18:38 erle        like make people bleed words
18:38 erle        or like funny effects
18:38 erle        like shood someone and it says OUCH on the next node, in red
18:39 erle        shoot
18:39 shaft       I think signlib already handles most unicode text
18:39 erle        i have looked at signlib and you are sorely mistaken
18:39 erle        there is a reason i have written unicode_text
18:40 erle        it can, for example, handle combining characters
18:40 erle        (in a very hacky way)
18:40 erle        or do kerning (in a very hacky way)
18:40 shaft       It handles most European languages.
18:40 erle        yes but i wanted to render emoji
18:41 shaft       Does it handle ASCII art?
18:41 erle        and i got my goal, because as soon as unicode_text was published, cora made the unicode signs mod
18:41 erle        i got to
18:41 erle        look here: https://codeberg.org/cora/uc_signs
18:42 shaft       Oh it does large text
18:42 erle        shaft here is an example rendering: https://content.minetest.net/uploads/37b12cab68.png
18:44 erle        i think it would be funny to have a literal_blood mod
18:44 erle        that just smears words everywhere
18:46 muurkha     haha
18:52 shaft       I tried Unicode signs. I'm doing something wrong. I just get the regular sign gui. How do you make bold large text?
18:53 erle        it stretches the textures to the sign area
18:53 erle        i think
18:53 erle        so just input a single character
18:53 erle        or two
18:53 erle        they will be very large
18:56 shaft       Oh, I had still had signlib enabled. How do you make bold text like in your image?
18:56 shaft       Editing is not working for wooden signs
18:56 erle        this is unicode characters
18:57 erle        tell that to cora
18:57 erle        shaft here http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/bin/ascii2unicode.html
18:57 shaft       I don't like abusing mathematical characters for formatting
18:58 erle        that's on you. the whole thing is rendered to a texture server-side anyway
18:59 shaft       Doesn't help me as it's not in an editable PNG in the world folder. I think I'll stick with ascii art and signlib
19:05 erle        shaft editing is not supported
19:06 shaft       Then you might as well draw it on the wall with ggraffiti. Pretty cool mod.
19:16 copygirl    Another quick question is there a way to set entities to not be saved?
19:16 shaft       Yes
19:17 shaft       static_save = false,
19:17 shaft       in initial_properties
19:17 shaft       I know because I did in my mod
19:17 copygirl    Okay hmm, I guess the API words this weirdly since it mentions "when the block gets unloaded".
19:18 shaft       You can look in my mod in canvas for lua for a code example
19:18 copygirl    But it makes sense it would do the same for non-node entities.
19:18 shaft       It gets unloaded when you quit the game too
19:22 shaft       Pls unban me.
19:22 muurkha     I think if you keep pleading to be unbanned you are likely to get banned from more places
19:24 copygirl    Is this the right place to appeal a ban, anyway?
19:24 shaft       If you unban me, I won't have to plead anymore.
19:24 shaft       I have no idea
19:25 shaft       It didn't see anything about ban appeals anywhere
19:28 shaft       Is there something like minetest.register_on_joinplayer?
19:32 shaft       Oh, it exists
19:34 copygirl    Heh
19:35 copygirl    If we're not supposed to keep around ObjectRefs, what is a good way to store a reference to a specific entity in a lookup table? (In my case, a player name -> entity lookup.)
19:36 copygirl    Is it okay to keep the luaentity around?
19:48 MTDiscord   <luatic> You can keep the objref as long as you check it's still valid before using it.
19:48 MTDiscord   <luatic> you might want something like an id system though, in this case with playernames as ids
19:49 MTDiscord   <luatic> i don't know the specifics of your use case, but i'd insert the objref / entity (whichever you prefer to work with) into the lookup table in on_activate, and remove it in on_deactivate
19:53 copygirl    Perhaps using on_deactivate is less error prone if the entity might be removed through other means.
19:58 shaft       How do you make animated hud elements?
19:58 shaft       Preferibly only for the person using the mod and not server-side
19:58 shaft       I mean for the client
20:22 DeepThgt    also sfan5 i think i neglected to say so, but ty for your compile one liner
20:22 DeepThgt    anyone else notice 5.7.0 is broken/doesnt compile?
20:23 DeepThgt    errs like
20:23 DeepThgt    var/tmp/tmp.bqiFpJ60fh/minetest/src/client/tile.h:240:34: error: ‘class irr::video::SMaterial’ has no member named ‘TextureLayer’; did you mean ‘TextureLayers’?
20:38 copygirl    There's some tweening applied when calling set_rotation, can that be disabled?
20:38 copygirl    (Is that the right work for it?)
20:40 copygirl    word*. how ironic
20:41 copygirl    Funnily enough, set_pos seems to be instant?
20:41 copygirl    Am I going to have to remove and re-create the entity to get the rotation I want to be applied instantly?
21:10 shaft       Have you tried set_yaw, set_pitch and set_roll?
21:17 MTDiscord   <luatic> copygirl: unfortunately there's no way to turn off the rotation interpolation. bone overrides aren't interpolated however, so if you were to use a model with a bone you could override that bone to have the desired rotation.
21:18 MTDiscord   <luatic> shaft: those are just shorthands for setting specific axes of the rotation, AFAIK. they probably use the same mechanism in the end.
21:29 sfan5       DeepThgt: ah in that case the one-liner has to be adjusted to clone the right irrlicht version
21:31 copygirl    Hmm thank you. I think I will just re-create the entity.
21:32 DeepThgt    ty sfan5, i had gotten it corrected
21:37 MTDiscord   <warr1024> destroying and recreating the entity may cause a different kind of jank, if the destroy and create packets arrive far enough apart ... but it might still work out to look fine, after all.  I've got a few situations in NodeCore where I destroy and recreate an entity for various reasons and the jank I get from it is still less than the impact of the tweening that I do.
21:39 DeepThgt    ok minetest-mapserver is just a cool project
21:42 MTDiscord   <wsor4035> prefer the live mapserver myself
21:48 shaft       Wsor would you please forgive me?
21:52 shaft       I'm sorry I've been rude. I won't be rude to the moderation ever again.
21:53 shaft       Please allow my package to be on ContentDB. I'll wait patiently.
22:07 shaft       Are you going to ignore for me forever? Just say so please, if that's the case.
22:09 shaft       [yes/no/maybe]
22:11 MTDiscord   <warr1024> You asked less than half an hour ago and you're already demanding an answer immediately?  That ... sounds an awful lot like what got you in trouble in the first place.
22:12 shaft       I'm not demanding an answer. I already asked many times and he just said something so I thought he may be online.
22:12 MTDiscord   <warr1024> Consider that it's not just wsor's (or any one person's) decision, and it takes time to decide these things and consider the consequences.  This isn't necessarily just about you personally, but there are questions of policy and precedent.
22:13 MTDiscord   <wsor4035> ^ this
22:16 shaft       How about you give me an estimated timeframe (when I should return). Can't be here all the time and poll like USB. I don't know what you consider "enough".
22:16 MTDiscord   <wsor4035> try back this time roughly tommorrow, will use !tell command if earlier
22:17 erle        shaft did you at least watch the videos i sent
22:17 shaft       It's a little late here. I'll probably come two hours earlier or the day after tomorrow.
22:18 erle        yeah it's shortly after midnight in europe/berlin
22:18 MTDiscord   <luatic> copygirl: oh yet another option if you're fine with multiple entities: set_attach allows you to specify a relative rotation. you could probably abuse that.
22:19 erle        hey luatic wanna help me with this one https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13921 ?
22:19 erle        luatic i have two questions that can help me figure out if it is a driver bug: 1. does this happen on GPUs that use a different driver? 2. how does the api trace look when replayed on a different GPU?
22:21 erle        (apitrace just slurps up all the rendering commands to spit them out, i.e. if it looks correct for you, it's a driver issue for me)
22:22 erle        (OTOH if it looks correct for you in minetest that does not mean much for me)
22:23 erle        apitrace is an amazing tool btw
22:23 erle        i wish i knew it earlier
22:24 MTDiscord   <warr1024> sounds like the best way to figure out which apit is the fastest.
22:24 MTDiscord   <luatic> erle: sorry, i'm pretty busy rn
22:25 erle        no problem
22:25 erle        i am also asking mesa folks to look into it
22:25 erle        last time i did that they fixed the etnaviv driver for reform2
22:25 erle        it was also a backface culling issue
22:26 erle        (back of the player face was not culled, so you only saw a big player face instead of the rest of minetest)