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IRC log for #minetest, 2023-07-24

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01:56 Blockhead256[m] Minetest on Windows ūü•≤
02:10 lebruhgamer[m] it's like the best we can get to depend on since we're small community, and r/linux on its own is not participating anyway so we can't depend on them either
02:11 lebruhgamer[m] the whole thing is getting attacked left and right though .. it's rough
02:54 Blockhead256[m] Is there a node like the pipeworks deployer and node breaker, but it punches instead?
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03:05 Blockhead256[m] ok so looking further into it.. why isn't the pipeworks wielder API (the one behind deployers, node breakers and dispensers) a public API?
03:05 MTDiscord <wsor4035> we await your pr
03:05 MTDiscord <wsor4035> more seriously, im guess, because it does hacky stuff with faking a player, etc
03:05 Blockhead256[m] technic has its own independent implementation of the constructor.. it just feels like there should be a library for this sort of thing, since pipeworks has to go to all the effort of "doing it right" when breaking, placing etc
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08:10 vejou[m] test
08:10 vejou[m] where am i
08:11 MTDiscord <themalaysiandude> hello
08:11 MTDiscord <themalaysiandude> your in the matrix realm
08:14 vejou[m] wait what
08:14 vejou[m] what discord channel is that
08:16 vejou[m] how did you type that if you dont use matrix
08:17 MTDiscord <rollerozxa> the IRC channels are bridged both to discord and matrix
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08:40 vejou[m] oh
08:40 vejou[m] ok
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14:37 MTDiscord <warr1024> To be fair, you can't be 100% certain that somebody with an [m] name is on Matrix because I think you can just add those to your IRC nick anyway?
14:54 mmuller Warr1024: correct
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15:28 vejou[m] did you send that from IRC or from discord? the bot im getting it from is called MTDiscord
15:29 ROllerozxa MTDiscord is a bot that bridges communication between IRC and discord
15:32 Blockhead256[m] if it came from MTDiscord, it's not from IRC directly
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16:17 MTDiscord <warr1024> On Matrix, IRC users and bots look like they are each in the room with you.  The Discord bot makes IRC and Matrix users look like individual bots on the Discord side but to IRC and Matrix it looks like a single bot.
16:18 Warr1024 Some of us are on IRC too, it's just a little more convenient to talk via discord when we are already using discord to talk elsewhere too.
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16:33 mmuller yeah, I believe it has to do with the way the gateway is implemented.  In IRC connections and users are 1:1, so if a gateway wants to do IRC "correctly" it has to open a new connection for every user.
16:34 jonadab I'm not sure the IRC network operators would care for a bot that did things that way.
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16:34 mmuller I'm pretty sure that's how the matrix gateway is implemented, actually.  AFAIK, the only other way is to have your node be a peer in the IRC network.
16:35 jonadab If your other-protocol network is at all large, that would be the actual correct way to do it, I think.  Technically speaking.
16:36 jonadab For a small hobby network with a handful of channels, not so much.
16:37 mmuller agreed, but there may be non-technical reasons why that's not feasible.  In any case, the matrix bridge docs suggest connect-per-user: https://matrix-org.github.io/matrix-appservice-irc/latest/usage.html
16:37 jonadab Sooner or later somebody's going to put out a decent well-designed publicly documented open protocol for chat networks with modern features (like account registration and images) baked in.
16:37 jonadab And then of course *that* network will have to be permanently gatewayed to IRC :-)
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17:09 lebruhgamer[m] <lebruhgamer[m]> "for people out-of-the-loop, r/..." <- the work for minetest logo for r/place is still going on, it's taking shape
17:09 * lebruhgamer[m] uploaded an image: (4KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/jfLRgKvIMfjrjjnIIFWIHybb/image.png >
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17:37 vejou[m] hey wait i found what channel this is, it's #minetest-irc in discord
17:37 vejou[m] hey it worked!
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17:44 vejou[m] IRC users look like matrix users on matrix
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17:46 sfan5 they do
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17:49 dibesfer[m] Oh mama
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17:58 vejou[m] i can talk in this chat but not on discord
18:00 ROllerozxa you need a certain rank to be able to talk in the bridged IRC channels
18:00 vejou[m] yeah it seems to be either one or two promotions above me
18:00 vejou[m] but on matrix you dont need any rank?
18:06 MTDiscord <greenxenith> Discord has much higher traffic than the other platforms so we keep a slightly higher bar for using the bridge
18:08 vejou[m] alright but is there a way to restrict a matrix chat in a similar way
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19:10 MTDiscord <warr1024> Matrix chat will be significantly more restricted in a week or so when the portal bridge rooms are discontinued.
19:37 lebruhgamer[m] minetest logo progress on r/place
19:37 * lebruhgamer[m] uploaded an image: (14KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/UAWlyIjYGpGzyWxmgGjrZDps/2023-07-25_03-35-11_vivaldi.png >
19:37 lebruhgamer[m] and this is what we aiming to make it:
19:37 * lebruhgamer[m] uploaded an image: (17KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/YeUNOpXSwFTxLDvufLucqPow/2023-07-25_03-35-25_vivaldi.png >
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20:58 * lebruhgamer[m] uploaded an image: (4KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/YCTFlUaZotPxEroedOSyLvPn/image.png >
20:58 lebruhgamer[m] current progress:
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21:28 vejou[m] nice
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