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IRC log for #minetest, 2023-06-05

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10:00 MinetestBot [git] Radar6255 -> minetest/minetest: Cavegen y biome check (#13472) 29b7aea https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/29b7aea38b4284fb6ef1cee79d2074927bf0e3ee (2023-06-05T09:59:22Z)
10:00 MinetestBot [git] grorp -> minetest/minetest: Fix various cases of double-escaped error messages e5a5d5a https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/e5a5d5a672b41c36dce139d71fb087217ed532d4 (2023-06-05T09:59:37Z)
10:00 MinetestBot [git] mazes-80 -> minetest/minetest: Item Entity: prevent moveresult assert when attached (#13353) 23f7aab https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/23f7aab354f52fa67578cf8ebbbf7fa06da1068e (2023-06-05T10:00:11Z)
10:00 MinetestBot [git] OgelGames -> minetest/minetest: Inventory mouse shortcut improvements (#13146) 252c79d https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/252c79d53a10a28d08cb46d45a39ba9fd6343ed0 (2023-06-05T10:00:32Z)
10:02 MinetestBot [git] Desour -> minetest/minetest: Remove a misleading MutexAutoLock in l_to_table d9f478c https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/d9f478cbfba93dc972a1374b9178f209483fa4dc (2023-06-05T10:01:08Z)
10:02 MinetestBot [git] grorp -> minetest/minetest: Make the settings GUI more usable on Android (#13543) a857c46 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/a857c46e6eb3d826ba06de0bd2479c40db5b1bf0 (2023-06-05T10:01:54Z)
10:02 MinetestBot [git] grorp -> minetest/minetest: Auto-detect locale on Android (#13561) a146326 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/a1463263b5efd4b7fee8066ef34ba294f9eb42b3 (2023-06-05T10:02:10Z)
10:05 MinetestBot [git] Zughy -> minetest/minetest: Extend roadmap approval time from one week to one month 8445c5f https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8445c5fe60f742edc7710e3e61021d47edc7abe0 (2023-06-05T10:02:59Z)
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14:36 trisquelbeginner Hi! I am a beginner. I would like to know how to see the list of servers that I could connect to and play. Is there a website that I could go to for viewing the list of available minetest servers? please help!
14:38 rubenwardy https://servers.minetest.net/
14:39 trisquelbeginner Thank you
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15:04 trisquelbeginner I am currently running minetest 5.4.1 and how do i upgrade it to 5.7?
15:06 rubenwardy which OS?
15:07 trisquelbeginner trisquel rubenwardy:
15:09 Blockhead256[m] since trisquel seems to be Ubuntu-based, perhaps this PPA will work:
15:09 Blockhead256[m] https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable
15:11 Blockhead256[m] does the custom serverlist announce URL support ports other than 80?
15:13 Blockhead256[m] if not, I suppose I will have to point it at a new subdomain instead so that I can use a separate virtualhost.. right?
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15:32 rubenwardy huh?
15:32 rubenwardy ahh
15:32 rubenwardy yeah, you can include the port after a :
15:33 rubenwardy so serverlist_url = http://example.com:1234/
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15:44 Blockhead256[m] I was under the impression I needed a separate virtualhost to run the server list software with its daemon and everything
15:44 Blockhead256[m] cool so the port designation is a standard part of URLs.. of course.. thanks
15:45 Blockhead256[m] talking about running it under apache since my site already runs apache
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15:51 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Fun fact: the serverlist URL is used via string concatenation, so if you want to use my.tld/list?action=announce and my.tld/list?action=list, you can just set the serverlist_url to my.tld/list?action= and I believe it will work...
15:53 Blockhead256[m] waiting until my.tld is the website for buying new TLDs
15:53 Blockhead256[m] just you wait. It's the way things are going, with the way Google got their .zip and .mov recently
15:53 sfan5 @Warr1024 at least for list the engine will append more parameters so the format will end up wrong
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15:56 MTDiscord <Warr1024> oh, interesting ... I wonder what happens if you send a URL with multiple ? in it.
15:57 MTDiscord <Warr1024> In theory the engine could just detect a ? in the URL and change the parameter delimiter to & instead, but it'd still be awkward...
15:57 MTDiscord <Warr1024> It's fine, I wouldn't recommend that kind of setup real-world anyway.
15:57 rubenwardy would make more sense for the engine to export curl's URL manipulation APIs, and have curl_set_query("key", "value") or whatever it is
15:58 MTDiscord <Warr1024> I did write my own trivial serverlist for my own LAN, and I was glad to see at least that the path components can be customized.  I absolutely hate it when people require you to get an entire domain for a site, especially when my reverse proxy setup would make that a huge pain.
16:00 Blockhead256[m] not sure what your setup is like
16:00 Blockhead256[m] but I can add however many 1-level (maybe further) subdomains to my domain name as I like with their DNS
16:00 Blockhead256[m] with my registrar I mean
16:01 rubenwardy yeah it's super easy to add subdomains to my reverse proxy, which is probably why I have 30+
16:02 Blockhead256[m] "oh so you're a rubenwardy fan? Name every rubenwardy.com subdomain" :D
16:04 MTDiscord <Warr1024> The problem with subdomains is that I need to expose the existence of them via SANs on my TLS cert, and even if I didn't mind that, it would require me to have the cert reissued every time I add new apps, which could quickly use up me LE quota.  That, and rewriting my reverse proxy config management scripts, just doesn't seem worth the trouble.
16:05 MTDiscord <Warr1024> It also doesn't help that all of this just covers HTTPS anyway, so certain stuff like I think peertube or jitsi use additional ports that can't be isolated by domain anyway.
16:07 Blockhead256[m] oh I didn't consider HTTPS at all
16:07 Blockhead256[m] the serverlist uses HTTPS right?
16:07 sfan5 no
16:08 Blockhead256[m] servers.minetest.net seems to support it but not default to it
16:08 rubenwardy I use a wildcard cert
16:08 rubenwardy which has its own pains
16:09 Blockhead256[m] I take it that minetestserver announcing to the serverlist doesn't use HTTPS then?
16:09 rubenwardy all my services require https, I have HSTS enabled so can never go back to plain http
16:10 sfan5 Blockhead256[m]: correct
16:11 MTDiscord <Warr1024> I looked into wildcard, but I can't do it using the dyn.com hostnames I use; I'd have to actually buy a real domain name, and I always run out of executive function juice before I can pick one.
16:11 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Ironically, dyn.com hostnames apparently DO support HSTS preloading so I've got the hardcore kind of HSTS.
16:12 Blockhead256[m] the 2LD I use has requirements for what names you are supposed to use on it, so when I saw the price I decided that was fine and basically it made the decision of what to choose for the 3LD simple
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16:44 imi does /deleteblocks expect node coordinates or mapblock coordinates?
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16:52 Blockhead256[m] node coordinates, as does emergeblocks
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16:56 imi does /deleteblocks re-emerges the mapblocks in question?
16:56 imi I gave a rather big region to /deleteblocks and now the server doesn't respond
17:03 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Just like with any cleaning product, you should test in a small, inconspicuous area first.
17:08 sfan5 it doesn't re-emerge the blocks
17:08 sfan5 but if a player is close the server will re-emerge then
17:21 imi ok thanks
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17:29 Blockhead256[m] [2023-06-06 03:26:25,069] WARNING in server: Invalid IP 127.0.0.1 for address 127.0.1.1 (address valid for {'127.0.1.1'}).
17:29 Blockhead256[m] ok so what's the deal with the serverlist not wanting to list a server on the same node?
17:30 Blockhead256[m] I'm not terribly good at Python, I guess I need to learn how to debug flask apps
17:31 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Interesting.  Seems like the serverlist was trying to prevent a common mistake when used in a public-hosting-only kind of context.
17:32 Blockhead256[m] I'm guessing this is some kind of code that prevents a server from listing another server, by matching the server address from minetest.conf against the received IP
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17:35 Blockhead256[m] this is annoying because I get connection reset on trying to connect from outside.. despite that I thought the firewall was in order
17:35 Blockhead256[m] so I thought I would connect from the inside.. big mistake apparently
17:42 Blockhead256[m] I think I may have fundamentally misunderstood something... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/89e2b2c9cf2391fe4933b5c32951ae838aa373d4>)
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18:42 Blockhead256[m] I have formulated my questions into a problems thread..
18:42 Blockhead256[m] thank you in advance for any help
18:42 Blockhead256[m] https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;t=29547
18:45 MinetestBot [git] Desour -> minetest/minetest: Use unique_ptrs for leveldb db and iterators d0bcdff https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/d0bcdff5cee888d5c02273508ade987dba601b14 (2023-06-05T18:43:33Z)
18:45 MinetestBot [git] Desour -> minetest/minetest: Use unique_ptrs for CurlFetchThread::m_all_ongoing cfb1b87 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/cfb1b879e083068f2139b0a89d74e022b001a533 (2023-06-05T18:43:33Z)
18:45 MinetestBot [git] Desour -> minetest/minetest: Use unique_ptr for g_httpfetch_thread 08ea467 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/08ea467bfe3e04a197bd3ab0460fa8cb45a2969d (2023-06-05T18:43:33Z)
18:45 MinetestBot [git] Desour -> minetest/minetest: Use unique_ptrs for MapSector::m_blocks 1780d1b https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/1780d1bbde6a26877ed8b149e030371e777fcbc1 (2023-06-05T18:43:33Z)
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