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mcl |
Bro wSSor88 banned me from the Minetest Discord group |
| 02:05 |
mcl |
guess what Discord is shit anyways |
| 02:06 |
mcl |
and if it makes you feel any better just know that being a shithead jannie wont fix your life problems |
| 02:09 |
mcl |
By banning me you didn't prove me wrong; you just made me stronger |
| 02:10 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> https://tenor.com/view/cry-about-it-mcrib-devouring-gif-23838531 |
| 02:10 |
MTDiscord |
<kimapr> Wsor1024 |
| 02:10 |
mcl |
and just so you know Discord is overran with authoritarian power tripping mods like this dude |
| 02:10 |
mcl |
You're just being salt at this point |
| 02:10 |
mcl |
salty* |
| 02:10 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> the only minetest mod so resource hungry it makes your power trip is Draconis |
| 02:11 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> https://content.minetest.net/packages/ElCeejo/draconis/ |
| 02:11 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> download today |
| 02:11 |
cfnblx |
I've been arguing with rubenwardy about salt for days |
| 02:11 |
mcl |
buncha trolls |
| 02:11 |
cfnblx |
I feel your pain |
| 02:11 |
mcl |
are you prod of youreslf? |
| 02:11 |
mcl |
proud* |
| 02:11 |
mcl |
yourself* |
| 02:11 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> https://tenor.com/view/yroue-gif-19937580 |
| 02:11 |
cfnblx |
I offered you a hug on Discord |
| 02:11 |
cfnblx |
((((((((((((((((((((((( here's an old-school IRC style hugz ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
| 02:12 |
mcl |
More like neo-nazi dogwhistle |
| 02:12 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> Glad to be of services removing the person using ss and kkk references |
| 02:12 |
mcl |
https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/echo |
| 02:14 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> I'm gonna invent my own hate symbol it sounds fun and very easy to do |
| 02:14 |
mcl |
I'm using SS, KKK, and 88 references to show how the Wsor dude is a literal fascist who bans people for no reason just like the 3rd Reich did |
| 02:14 |
* cfnblx |
wonders what adl.org is |
| 02:14 |
mcl |
and just like how the SS killed people during WW2 |
| 02:14 |
* cfnblx |
googles.... Revenue (2019). $80.9 million. Expenses (2019), $82.4 million. |
| 02:14 |
cfnblx |
Ah, "not profitable." |
| 02:14 |
mcl |
Oh sorry |
| 02:14 |
mcl |
wrong URL |
| 02:14 |
mcl |
hold on |
| 02:14 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> yeah the third reich infamously had very strict enforcement of discord server rules |
| 02:14 |
mcl |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses |
| 02:14 |
mcl |
better |
| 02:15 |
mcl |
you're right the ADL is scummy at times |
| 02:15 |
cfnblx |
We've been using ((((((((((( hugz ))))))))))))))) since long before you were born. |
| 02:15 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> thank you for informing me of this |
| 02:15 |
MTDiscord |
<RisingLeaf> comparing the 3rd reich with a discord server is a bold claim, better check your resources on that 😑 |
| 02:15 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> I'll be sure to use it more often now |
| 02:15 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> fr tho, why do you know so much about this stuff |
| 02:15 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> who cares |
| 02:15 |
cfnblx |
I'm pretty sure the 3rd reich wasn't guilty of banning people on Discord. |
| 02:15 |
cfnblx |
That's one thing they got right. |
| 02:15 |
mcl |
interesting how you think you know when I was born |
| 02:16 |
mcl |
when in reality you're not even close |
| 02:16 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> I feel like comparing what the third reich did to being banned on discord kinda downplays a genuinely tragic event |
| 02:16 |
mcl |
+ you can't even recognize an obvious joke |
| 02:16 |
cfnblx |
If you're a day over 17 I'd be even more baffled than I am already. |
| 02:16 |
mcl |
I'm way older than that |
| 02:16 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> he's actually 2 days over 17 |
| 02:17 |
mcl |
Wrong |
| 02:17 |
cfnblx |
Yikes. I guess I'll just put you in the same category I put old ElCeejo in. |
| 02:17 |
cfnblx |
"Young at mind." |
| 02:17 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> nah I'm still there |
| 02:17 |
mcl |
And even if I were younger than 17, why would it even matter? |
| 02:17 |
mcl |
No one's making fun of Rollerozxa or BBMine |
| 02:17 |
mcl |
or StarNinjas |
| 02:18 |
cfnblx |
They don't act like children. |
| 02:18 |
mcl |
StarNinjas sure does |
| 02:18 |
cfnblx |
I have no idea who that is. |
| 02:18 |
mcl |
with his "DISGUSTANG" comments |
| 02:18 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> I'd like to raise an objection given you made fun of rollerozxa... |
| 02:18 |
mcl |
Some 12 yo kid |
| 02:18 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> StarNinjas at least has some self-awareness |
| 02:18 |
mcl |
who writes games for MT |
| 02:19 |
cfnblx |
Dude you've blundered way too much English this evening to call anyone out for intentional misspellings. |
| 02:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob> The only thing worse than getting banned, is getting banned and then bitching about it elsewhere. |
| 02:19 |
MTDiscord |
<RisingLeaf> self supporting ban XD |
| 02:20 |
cfnblx |
I told him he needs to get out of the basement for a night when he was like "Because it has monopolized everything" in reference to Discord |
| 02:20 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> he played a stupid game, won the stupid prize, and now wants to brag about it |
| 02:20 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> nothing wrong with that imo |
| 02:20 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob> It's like, go fly a kite or something, jesus christ some people have no life. |
| 02:20 |
MTDiscord |
<RisingLeaf> lets be real, who here is not in the basement all day other than me obviously |
| 02:21 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob> I work full time |
| 02:21 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> Benrob visits his local ikea often |
| 02:21 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> taking notes, and such |
| 02:21 |
MTDiscord |
<RisingLeaf> not really excluding the other |
| 02:21 |
cfnblx |
I'm in the "basement" (my office) all day and night, because my office is my bedroom which I rarely, if ever, leave. |
| 02:21 |
cfnblx |
BUT, I'm not disillusioned as a result. |
| 02:21 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob> @Captain Termites No no, thats an hour away |
| 02:21 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> a small price to pay for funny SCP game |
| 02:23 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob> I mean, I mainly work in a backroom. So it's kind of like a basement, but at ground level |
| 02:23 |
cfnblx |
Same here |
| 02:23 |
cfnblx |
this mcl dude's got me thinking of this audio clip I saw on Envato earlier |
| 02:23 |
cfnblx |
https://elements.envato.com/sports-announcer-saying-its-all-over-Q3L5BMA |
| 02:24 |
mcl |
Talking to you is like talking to a donkey, except I would rather talk to a donkey, because at least donkey doesn't talk back to you |
| 02:24 |
mcl |
I feel like debating you is pointless, as you're just a bunch of trolls who enjoy making fun of people. |
| 02:24 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob> Nice biblicalism, but donkeys are actually quite loud. |
| 02:24 |
cfnblx |
I've given you two hugs. |
| 02:25 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> <insert justified clip of meet assholes all day long, your the asshole> |
| 02:25 |
cfnblx |
Okay, well, back to the 3rd reich |
| 02:26 |
cfnblx |
ahem, I mean, Discord. |
| 02:26 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG4hOjJ9tEs |
| 02:26 |
mcl |
Discord sucks ass; the only reason I've been using it is Minetest but now that I got banned I will be removing the account. |
| 02:27 |
MTDiscord |
<RisingLeaf> What is really interesting is that you keep talking to the jerks who banned you, one could think you desperately need to talk to someone... |
| 02:29 |
mcl |
I talk to some very fine people almost every day in real life, in fact a very nice and refined human being is sitting right by my side as I'm typing this. |
| 02:29 |
mcl |
I get more interpersonal contact daily than you've ever gotten in the entirety of your life |
| 02:32 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob> Well I'm glad you're living a happy and fulfilled life. I guess you don't need us then and have no reason to continue bitching into the IRC channel :-) |
| 02:33 |
mcl |
You are absolutely right, the only reason I'm here is that I wanted to make everyone aware of wSSor88's shitty behavior. |
| 02:33 |
mcl |
If you don't want to talk to me that's fine, I don't need you either. |
| 02:33 |
mcl |
I'm out. |
| 02:34 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob> You seem to be having some trouble typing his name, might want to get your keyboard checked |
| 02:34 |
mcl |
Looks like the reference went right over your head |
| 02:36 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob> Idk, I just think that your keyboard might have caught some kind of illiteracy from whoever's been typing all day |
| 02:37 |
mcl |
Reccommended reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel and https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/88 [def 3] |
| 02:37 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob> But then again, I never did feel the need to publicly call out moderators I had problems with, even when I was quite impedanced by them |
| 02:38 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob> I did read the chat history, btw. But it seems my sarcasm went straight over your head. |
| 02:39 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Sport_(Chevrolet) |
| 02:40 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob> You don't actually think I'm taking this seriously, do you? I mean, hell, I work in retail and you're hardly the bitchiest person I've had to deal with lately. |
| 02:41 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob> I'd give you, maybe a 3.5/10 on the bitchiness scale. |
| 02:42 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob> Funny to read, not anything anyone is going to pay any mind to. |
| 02:42 |
mcl |
You don't know what kind of my person I am in real life |
| 02:42 |
mcl |
just like I don't know what kind of person you are |
| 02:43 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob> Anyways, I need to get up early in the morning. So while it's been fun, I'm going to let everyone else continue this if they so choose. |
| 02:43 |
mcl |
but yeah, I'm getting tired of this, I think I'm gonna go for a walk with my friend |
| 02:45 |
cfnblx |
Honestly it sounds like you don't have any friends. |
| 02:46 |
cfnblx |
Maybe you should stop with the "everyone hates me" gag and just try being friendly. |
| 02:47 |
cfnblx |
Unless the "everyone hates me" thing works for you, then by all means. I doubt that behavior is only limited to your online activity, though. |
| 02:47 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> "yeah guys see I go outside all the time I have friends guys believe me" |
| 02:48 |
cfnblx |
Everyone here is actually quite nice. The only one I don't like is wsor, but I think he's just on the spectrum. I once had a friend with Aspergers. Very similar. |
| 02:48 |
cfnblx |
(i.e. I'm even warming up to him) |
| 02:48 |
mcl |
Are you accusing me of being an Autist? |
| 02:48 |
cfnblx |
I think being an artist is a wonderful thing. |
| 02:49 |
mcl |
trolling as usual |
| 02:49 |
cfnblx |
Maybe you should go paint/draw something. Might help. |
| 02:50 |
mcl |
and maybe you shouldn't accuse someone you don't even know of being an Autist or having no friends and whatnot when you don't even know that person |
| 02:50 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> 5 minute walk with your friend |
| 02:50 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> that was short |
| 02:50 |
mcl |
As I said earlier, I have more friends that all of you combined, and I've never felt better! |
| 02:50 |
mcl |
I'll be leaving my house now |
| 02:51 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> of course |
| 02:51 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> have fun |
| 02:51 |
mcl |
so don't expect any more messages from me |
| 02:51 |
MTDiscord |
<ElCeejo> how dreadful |
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AlexBrownSobinec |
Gm |
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MTDiscord |
<kimapr> why does set_list reset a list's width but not size? |
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lissobone |
Comrades. |
| 05:53 |
lissobone |
mcl: hello. |
| 05:54 |
lissobone |
I've read the messages. Looks like we're (almost) in the same boat. |
| 05:55 |
lissobone |
I too get indignant at times, but you should not've compared a discord mod's hunger for power with Nazi Germany's war crimes, as those are of different orders of magnitute. |
| 05:55 |
lissobone |
I understand. |
| 05:56 |
lissobone |
Hmm... Where did I see wsor... |
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muurkha |
heh |
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lissobone |
Greetings. |
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MTDiscord |
<Flamore> gosh what happened this time |
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lissobone |
Flamore: what do you think? |
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MTDiscord |
<Flamore> cringe drama |
| 09:48 |
lissobone |
Where? |
| 10:02 |
lissobone |
What makes you think that there is a cringe drama? |
| 10:25 |
lissobone |
Guys. |
| 10:25 |
lissobone |
Has anyone got a server? |
| 10:32 |
lissobone |
Or does anyone want to play? |
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MTDiscord |
<SlavaNeMarlow> XD |
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MTDiscord |
<SlavaNeMarlow> Lissobone , when be playing on Survive server No.521? XD |
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lissobone |
SlavaNeMarlow: when I feel that the starts are aligned. |
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mcl |
lissobone: You're still alive? |
| 16:29 |
mcl |
I'm not comparing him to Nazi Germany |
| 16:29 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> 🤨 |
| 16:29 |
mcl |
Just trying to point out the obvious similarities between the two |
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DeepThgt |
wow, the backscroll for this channel just lowered my iq by 10 points |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> apologies for having discord drama spill into the IRC channels, we try to only have this happen at most only once a month 🙃 |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> We shouldn't be the ones to apologize; the Discord community and moderators weren't the ones who PUT the drama into the IRC channels. |
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AlexBrow1Sobinec |
Crazy stuff is going on |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> When we have to throw somebody out of Discord because of their behavior, the implication is that they should fix their behavior, not that they should take it to some other part of the community. |
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mcl |
Warr1024: You left me w/ no other choice |
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mcl |
I meant wSSor, sorry |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Right, because of course learning from your mistakes was never an option. |
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mcl |
I'm always the guilty one |
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mcl |
It's always me |
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mrkubax10 |
what happened there? |
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AlexBrown64 |
Im back |
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mcl |
mrkubax10: They banned me from the Discord group |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> and you got a sudden desire to start using IRC, I see |
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MTDiscord |
<RisingLeaf> Wow still going on |
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MTDiscord |
<RisingLeaf> https://tenor.com/view/running-gag-kermit-the-frog-kermit-fozzie-bear-fozzie-gif-21072798 |
| 19:05 |
mcl |
ROllerozxa: nope |
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mcl |
I've been using IRC for way longer |
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MTDiscord |
<RisingLeaf> https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367 |
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mcl |
I just started using it for MT now because they banned me from the Discord |
| 19:06 |
mrkubax10 |
why did you get banned? |
| 19:07 |
mcl |
but again the only reason I used the MT Discord in the first place was that the IRC and phpBB are very inactive compared to it |
| 19:07 |
mcl |
mrkubax10: for pointing out one of the moderators incompetence |
| 19:07 |
MTDiscord |
<PrairieWind> you can get banned on irc |
| 19:08 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> haha, that's a very euphemistic way to put it |
| 19:08 |
mrkubax10 |
not sure what was pointed exactly but I suppose that no one had bad intentions |
| 19:08 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> mrkubax10: well that assumption likely is wrong regarding MCL; he constantly seems to be stirring the pot |
| 19:09 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> just look at his MTForums posts (specifically the entire "XtreemSex" thing), or their websites, or anything really |
| 19:10 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> IRC is very much like the forums in terms of moderation |
| 19:10 |
mcl |
At least it's less oppressive than the Discord moderation |
| 19:11 |
mcl |
This is exactly why I forked Minetest and all Minetest services |
| 19:11 |
mcl |
because of this kind of behavior |
| 19:11 |
mcl |
always blaming me for all of your life problems |
| 19:17 |
mrkubax10 |
after brief look I didn't notice anything particularly bad about MCL's website, idk about xtreemsex |
| 19:18 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> We're mostly blaming you for YOUR life problems. |
| 19:18 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> You being banned from Discord is not a problem in anybody else's life. |
| 19:19 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> so... you're forking the entire minetest ecosystem? coolio, I guess |
| 19:19 |
mcl |
Almost |
| 19:19 |
mcl |
except for Discord |
| 19:20 |
mcl |
and I'm working on my own voxel engine |
| 19:21 |
mrkubax10 |
tbh I agree with mcl that Minetest community has tendency to trolling |
| 19:21 |
mrkubax10 |
I saw one person that was unable to verify mesehub account but everything he got was trolling |
| 19:22 |
mcl |
XtreemSex is just a mod that adds character customization. It's YOU who made a big deal out of it |
| 19:22 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> mrkubax10: Going by your definition, I shall characterize MCL as an overzealous Minetest community member then :trollface: |
| 19:23 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> Where? |
| 19:23 |
mcl |
Ah yes, everyone I don't agree with is a troll |
| 19:23 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> (the one person unable to verify their MeseHub account only receiving trolling) |
| 19:23 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> MCL: Thank you for clarifying your stance. |
| 19:24 |
mcl |
I know of a few prominent Minetest modders/contributors who are often harrassed and made fun of |
| 19:24 |
mrkubax10 |
luatic: wait, let me find it in logs |
| 19:24 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> "At least it's less oppressive than the Discord moderation" yes from my experience it looks like people on the IRC side can do just about fucking anything without repercussions (shudders january 15th) |
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mrkubax10 |
https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2023-02-25#i_6057873 |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> (side note: MCL would call ROllerozxa Trollerozxa for not accepting their (questionable) CDB packages) |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Being "prominent" doesn't mean that you're immune to being called out if you do something particularly dumb. Actually, it kinda usually has the opposite effect... |
| 19:25 |
mcl |
luatic: Now that I think about it, I should start calling him Fuhrerozxa |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> 🤔 |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> thank you for giving a prime example of why you got banned |
| 19:26 |
mcl |
For pointing out the trolling and harrassment? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Continuing to minimize the impact of the holocaust by using it as a comparison for getting your wrist slapped for egregious misbehavior would ITSELF probably be a rule violation, and continuing to persist in doing it would eventually get you banned. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> mrkubax10: yes, I agree, the MeseHub thing went subpar |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> but it is by no means representative of the general Minetest community |
| 19:29 |
mcl |
It is. |
| 19:29 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> note also that Jack4G's request was inherently suspicious: He wanted an account to be deleted with no means to prove that he should have the rights to the account. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> The suggestion to chose another nickname seems reasonable. |
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mrkubax10 |
well yes but I don't think that sending e-mail and account password in public chat is a good way to prove account ownership |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> mrkubax10: That's a false dichotomy you're constructing here. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Opinions about "the minetest community" as a whole are at best based on an arbitrary sample, like the tale of the blind men and the elephant. At worst, it's somebody like MCL whose entire online persona seems to revolve around various axes to grind. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> They can prove account ownership only through the means provided by the platform, e.g. "resend verification e-mail". |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> This is possible safely and securely. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> If this is not an option, I'm afraid they can't prove account ownership, and will have to create a new one. |
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mrkubax10 |
I guess |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It's entirely possible for an account to exist that nobody can prove ownership of. That name is, unfortunately, probably just lost. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> I can't just contact GitHub, claiming "appguru" is actually my account but oh my god I forgot my e-mail password so please delete it so I can have the name, oki? |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> I mean, I can, but I'll get a polite rejection. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The moral of the story is probably to be really careful about keeping track of your credentials if being able to have the name you want is valuable to you. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> s/'ll/'d |
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mrkubax10 |
it's not that he forgot email credentials, verification e-mail didn't appear for few days |
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mrkubax10 |
I suppose that this is gmail issue |
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mrkubax10 |
or gitea bug |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> then he should check his spam |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> pretty sure there is an option to resend the verification e-mail? |
| 19:34 |
mrkubax10 |
yes, didn't work either |
| 19:34 |
mcl |
Runs (a.k.a. JuanchiPro), ywwv, L-Dog, and Tim790 are 4 very prominent examples of people who got harrassed by the Minetest "community" |
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mrkubax10 |
I tried creating temporary account using 10minutemail and verification email appeared instantly |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> harassed* |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> when did tim7 get harassed??? |
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mrkubax10 |
spam folder was empty too btw |
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mcl |
Whenever he posts something on the BB or CDB |
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mcl |
mainly on the Discord |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> that's plain wrong |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It's not all that unlikely that something broke on the sending side. The email ecosystem is basically in a permanent state of emergency over spam and thus it's very hard to inject messages as a small independent platform operator. |
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<ROllerozxa> maybe I have a different definition of harassment but I don't think he ever was harassed by anyone |
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<luatic> runs is the exception on the list, but the other 3 people are pretty much known for stirring the pot |
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<luatic> pretty much only for stirring the pot, may I add |
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<luatic> runs does actually try and create valuable content; sometimes he seems to be deliberately picking up controversial motives (e.g. Samantha or his "fascism" mod thing) to get attention |
| 19:36 |
mcl |
TenPlus1 also found himself in the center of a harrassment campaign |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> People generally get an amount of harassment comparable to the amount they create, subject to some margins of error. runs probably gets more than his share, ywwv probably less. |
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<luatic> a campaign? you'll need some hard evidence to back that up |
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<luatic> TenPlus rather found themselves in the center of a license violation issue |
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<luatic> because they violated the licenses |
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<ROllerozxa> TenPlus1 was never harassed either. package takedowns for copyright issues isn't harassment |
| 19:38 |
mcl |
Brother, they've made an entire smiley face in Discord to make fun of Runs |
| 19:38 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> TenPlus1's situation was sort of like the way Capone was "harassed" by law enforcement for his illegal activities. Though in TP1's defense, it wasn't entirely their fault (ideally they should have known better than to trust people the way they did, but everyone needs a learning opportunity). |
| 19:38 |
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<luatic> mcl: that's your interpretation |
| 19:38 |
mcl |
When I once asked a question about one of Runs' projects in the Discord they accused me of being his alt |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> and it is IMO a wrong one; the only thing this smile mocks is the smile of the player used by Juanchi on his Juanchi Game screenshot |
| 19:39 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The "juanchi face" emote isn't making fun of runs the person, it's making fun of the artwork he makes for his mods. |
| 19:39 |
mcl |
That's just plain hatred |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> mcl: wrong, like most of your statements |
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<luatic> please stop making false statements |
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<Warr1024> If you can't tell the difference between making fun of a person and making fun of a bad idea ... well, I guess that would explain a lot. |
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<luatic> it is hard to have a proper discussion when you're constantly making false statements |
| 19:39 |
mcl |
His artwork is better than what any one of you could ever make |
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<luatic> now that's just detracting from the original discussion, completely irrelevant |
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<Warr1024> luatic, I think it's probably unfair to mischaracterize mcl's statements as "wrong" or "false" when they don't necessarily always rise to that standard. Like when he just blindly lashes out and says stuff like "his artwork is better than what any of you could ever make" entirely without basis, that's not even wrong. |
| 19:41 |
mcl |
People were calling TenPlus a cuckold and a soyjack in the Discord and the BB because they didn't like him removing his modes in protest |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> time to go back to a productive topic |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> let's shill the b3d to glTF converter |
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mcl |
Warr1024: at least he has originals ideas and fights for what he believies |
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MTDiscord |
<PrairieWind> shilled |
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mcl |
I got to respect him for that |
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<ROllerozxa> what's your definition of harassment now again |
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<luatic> uh oh so I made this awesome thing in pure Lua |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> it can read just about any b3d and spit out a glTF |
| 19:42 |
mcl |
mrkubax10: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28704 |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> this is useful if you have B3Ds but the source blend files have gone missing |
| 19:42 |
mcl |
Even this topic got cryptolocked now, probably by r-wardy |
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MTDiscord |
<RisingLeaf> Got to say I have a good laugh on my end while reading this discussion, it is quite entertaining |
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mcl |
mrkubax10: Wanna move to the other channel and talk about the mod? (you know which one) |
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luk3yx |
luatic: Nice |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> mcl: oh no, the forum moderators did something for once and a garbage thread got locked |
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<luatic> luk3yx: thanks (again) |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> anyways, if you have any b3ds that you want to be glTFs, just send them to me, or use modlib yourself if you are brave ;) |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Hmm, I should make an example for this |
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mrkubax10 |
mcl: responded in dm |
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mcl |
ROllerozxa: How is a thread meant to discuess the genuine problem of Minetest's decline into censorship "garbage"? |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> I don't think that was what the thread actually ended up becoming |
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<ROllerozxa> ah, he left |
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<Flamore> mcl reminds me of 10 year old me tbf |
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rubenwardy |
[19:41] <mcl> People were calling TenPlus a cuckold and a soyjack in the Discord and the BB because they didn't like him removing his modes in protest |
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rubenwardy |
Pretty sure no one did. Checked through the forum thread, can't see such insults. The two words you mention also haven't been used in this context either https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28883 |
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<Flamore> but i didn't go around calling people nazis |
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<Flamore> third reich nazis specifically |
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<Warr1024> Censorship is a real problem that affects real people, and it's really sad to see it abused by petulant children whining about being sent to their room with no desert for constantly harassing and belittling other poeple. |
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rubenwardy |
*in this context on Discord |
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mcl |
rubenwardy: hmm, strange. I remember seeing someone call him that somewhere |
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mcl |
Warr1024: Yes, because censorship is only bad when governments do it, am I right? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> mcl, non-sequitur, try again. |
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mcl |
no idea what that means |
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MTDiscord |
<RisingLeaf> https://tenor.com/view/nbc-trial-and-error-trial-and-error-gifs-satisfied-gif-9685361 |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> > Non sequitur (fallacy), an invalid argument whose conclusion is not supported by its premises |
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mcl |
You're havily implying that baseless censorship like this is fine as long as it's not done by governments |
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MTDiscord |
<Flamore> what counts as censorship exactly |
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mcl |
Removing or suppressing speech |
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mcl |
or text in this case |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> I've written basic docs for the b3d module now, mostly outlining the few functions and pointing at a few examples from my mods: https://github.com/appgurueu/modlib/blob/master/doc/b3d.md |
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<luatic> @caffeinatedblocks you can use this to convert b3ds to glTFs ^ |
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<Flamore> so I can insult you and harass you? |
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luk3yx |
Nice Lars |
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MTDiscord |
<caffeinatedblocks> Thank you!! |
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<ROllerozxa> mcl: I don't think free speech extends to online platforms run by private entities... |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> hotly debated topic, though |
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<ROllerozxa> there are online places that try to be as free speech as possible, but even there you can get banned, "censored", if you act completely out of line |
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<Flamore> free speech is when I get to say whatever I want, and you don't (you disagree with me and that's cringe) |
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<ROllerozxa> https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech_2x.png obligatory xkcd |
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mcl |
ROllerozxa: legally it doesn't, but ideologically it absolutely does |
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<Warr1024> Basically, only MCL is allowed to have free speech, and anyone else who exercises free speech by, say, calling him out on his shit, or kicking him out of a place whose rules he has violated, is not allowed to. |
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<Jonathon> funny how that works |
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<Flamore> pretty sure I said that... |
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<Warr1024> On Discord we are avid supporters of free speech, including speech that would get you banned, as you learned first hand when we allowed you to freely say the things that got you banned. |
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<Flamore> besides, by joining a server you're basically agreeing to follow the rules |
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<Warr1024> I think maybe there are some people who misunderstand the "free" in "free speech" as somehow implying "free of consequences." In fact there is no place in the world where that exists; the staunchest free-speech-advocating regimes generally disallow prior restraint: you can't be stopped from saying what you want. Once you have said it, then you're also free to live with the consequences. |
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mcl |
Warr1024: I see you're an authoritarian apologist |
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mcl |
Freedom of speech does mean freedom from consequences |
| 20:34 |
mcl |
by that logic you can also say "What do you mean murder is illegal? No one is stopping you from commiting murder, just don't complain when you go to prison" |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Some people want to share and discuss ideas, and will tolerate the risk that an argument breaks out in pursuit of that higher goal. For them, places like the MT Discord, IRC, Matrix, forums, etc. are primarily made. Other people just want to argue because they want to fight; they have a very good-vs-evil-centric worldview and it makes them feel like they're fighting FOR something. I don't think there's a place that's really designed |
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MTDiscord |
for them. They may find SOME tolerance in various other places, depending on how active moderation is, but ultimately they aren't really productive or welcome there. |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> mcl: earlier today I renamed the username of someone who registered with an extremely inappropriate username on a site I run. did I censor this individual? should I have let that stay in the name of free speech? I haven't banned them, just renamed their account |
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mcl |
Mind telling us what the username in questions was? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If freedom of speech means freedom from consequences, then it's literally impossible. Most of the reasons why people who speak are given consequences for their speech is to counterbalance the consequences that their speech has on other people who weren't given the choice. |
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mcl |
ROllerozxa: guess what, I did the same in February on a site I help moderate |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> holy shit, you censored someone??? |
| 20:40 |
mcl |
yes |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I did it once too, but since I'm a Bad Guy I guess that makes it wrong for you both too. |
| 20:41 |
mcl |
and I'm not saying censorship by non-gov't entities is always bad, but censoring someone for expressing his opinions is wrong no matter who does it (unless it's in a politics free space) |
| 20:41 |
mcl |
and all political opinions are censored equally |
| 20:41 |
mcl |
but that's not the case with the MT Discord |
| 20:42 |
mcl |
The account in question was made by a prankster with the sole purpose of being offensive |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Politics are not disallowed on Discord. Starting fights is, and politics is cited as an example of a topic that is highly likely to lead to fights. People DO talk politics, and people who are able to stop before it leads to fights have not violated the rule. |
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<Warr1024> Well, banning politics entirely is futile because it covers quite a lot of ground, really. I mean, a lot of the politics that arise within MT itself are pretty hard to avoid. |
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AlexBrownSobinec |
What's going on here? |
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<Warr1024> MCL recently got banned from the Discord and is trying to construct an ideological framework to justify his anger about it. |
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AlexBrownSobinec |
Wow |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I'm not really sure why it's necessary, really. "I'm mad that this was done to me" would work fine. |
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mcl |
I'm Xtreem-ly mad this was done to me |
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mcl |
Happy now? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Xtreem without the (tm)? |
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<ROllerozxa> he said xtreem™️! mcl fan service! |
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<Flamore> anyways I'm pretty sure that you weren't banned for expressing your opinion |
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mcl |
Flamore: I was |
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<Flamore> what was your opinion |
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mcl |
That the user who got banned didn't deserve the ban |
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<Warr1024> You can be banned for expressing your opinion. If you start shouting your opinions in a library, they'll ask you to leave. If you keep it up long enough, they'll have the police carry you out. How and where you express your opinions matter too. Is this censorship? Maybe. You either have to accept that it's not censorship, or that censorship is not all automatically bad. |
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<Jonathon> please note that mcl repeatedly confuses mutes with bans |
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<Warr1024> The specific incident that lead to a ban doesn't really matter that much anyway. We make ban decisions based on the totality of a person's behavior on the platform, so when you accumulate a lot of little infractions over time and don't add much redeeming value, it's sort of arbitrary which one it is that finally pushes you over the edge. |
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mcl |
There were multiple cases of wSSor banning people who just joined the server |
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mcl |
over something they said |
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mcl |
Like the brother I was trying to defend |
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<Warr1024> Right. Like I said, we generally evaluate the totality of a person's contributions. If you join and your very first contributions are negative, you won't last long. |
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<Jonathon> in recent memory, the only people getting banned soon after joining is obvious ban evasion alts |
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<Jonathon> also, > please note that mcl repeatedly confuses mutes with bans |
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<Warr1024> "repeatedly confuses mutes with bans" <-- that's actually kind of hard to compensate for. Also, you left out the "willfully" |
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<ROllerozxa> uh yeah, the thing you replied to that got you banned was a mute, not a ban |
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<ROllerozxa> person also left before they could get muted |
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sfan5 |
est31: this might be interesting regarding the implementation you once wrote https://www.computest.nl/nl/knowledge-platform/blog/exploiting-two-buggy-srp-implementations/ |
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sfan5 |
mcl: can you elaborate on what "wSSor" means? |
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<GoodClover> Wsor is a Discord moderator, they might show up as Jonathan on your side |
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<PrairieWind> its a very bad insult towards wsor |
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<PrairieWind> trust that he posts a "joke" meme about it on reddit |
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marl_scot |
how folks, trying to start minetest client so it automatically connects to my local server, : minetest --address IP:PORT --password PASS --name MYUSER --world minetest |
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marl_scot |
but i still get presented with the server list |
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sofar |
--go |
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sofar |
add that option |
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rubenwardy |
no need for --world when connecting as well |
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marl_scot |
ah, now i get a couldnt resolve address, cant he --address field take an IP:PORT or does port have to be specified sepratly? |
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rubenwardy |
I suspect it may need to be --address and --port |
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marl_scot |
great thanks, hadnt spotted the port option. |
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sofar |
you need --address --port --name --password --go |
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sofar |
if the port of the server is the default (30000) then it can be omitted |
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mcl |
sfan5: wSchutzStaffelor |
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mcl |
Congo on cryptoremoving my image |
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sfan5 |
mcl: I'm sure you are aware that insulting other community members is not allowed, even on IRC |
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mcl |
It's only allowed we the person being insulted is someone you don't like |
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<PrairieWind> could you put that in simpler english? |
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<paradust> SS, like the nazis. I assume he's adding that into "wsor" |
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<PrairieWind> yes 👆 |
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mcl |
paradust: yes |
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mcl |
finally someone who gets it |
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sfan5 |
feel free to not follow the rules elsewhere |
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sfan5 |
!kick mcl |
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AlexBrownSobinec |
He died =# |
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<RisingLeaf> oh no, the comedy is over |
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