Time Nick Message 02:05 mcl Bro wSSor88 banned me from the Minetest Discord group 02:05 mcl guess what Discord is shit anyways 02:06 mcl and if it makes you feel any better just know that being a shithead jannie wont fix your life problems 02:09 mcl By banning me you didn't prove me wrong; you just made me stronger 02:10 MTDiscord https://tenor.com/view/cry-about-it-mcrib-devouring-gif-23838531 02:10 MTDiscord Wsor1024 02:10 mcl and just so you know Discord is overran with authoritarian power tripping mods like this dude 02:10 mcl You're just being salt at this point 02:10 mcl salty* 02:10 MTDiscord the only minetest mod so resource hungry it makes your power trip is Draconis 02:11 MTDiscord https://content.minetest.net/packages/ElCeejo/draconis/ 02:11 MTDiscord download today 02:11 cfnblx I've been arguing with rubenwardy about salt for days 02:11 mcl buncha trolls 02:11 cfnblx I feel your pain 02:11 mcl are you prod of youreslf? 02:11 mcl proud* 02:11 mcl yourself* 02:11 MTDiscord https://tenor.com/view/yroue-gif-19937580 02:11 cfnblx I offered you a hug on Discord 02:11 cfnblx ((((((((((((((((((((((( here's an old-school IRC style hugz ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) 02:12 mcl More like neo-nazi dogwhistle 02:12 MTDiscord Glad to be of services removing the person using ss and kkk references 02:12 mcl https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/echo 02:14 MTDiscord I'm gonna invent my own hate symbol it sounds fun and very easy to do 02:14 mcl I'm using SS, KKK, and 88 references to show how the Wsor dude is a literal fascist who bans people for no reason just like the 3rd Reich did 02:14 * cfnblx wonders what adl.org is 02:14 mcl and just like how the SS killed people during WW2 02:14 * cfnblx googles.... Revenue (2019). $80.9 million. Expenses (2019), $82.4 million. 02:14 cfnblx Ah, "not profitable." 02:14 mcl Oh sorry 02:14 mcl wrong URL 02:14 mcl hold on 02:14 MTDiscord yeah the third reich infamously had very strict enforcement of discord server rules 02:14 mcl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses 02:14 mcl better 02:15 mcl you're right the ADL is scummy at times 02:15 cfnblx We've been using ((((((((((( hugz ))))))))))))))) since long before you were born. 02:15 MTDiscord thank you for informing me of this 02:15 MTDiscord comparing the 3rd reich with a discord server is a bold claim, better check your resources on that ๐Ÿ˜‘ 02:15 MTDiscord I'll be sure to use it more often now 02:15 MTDiscord fr tho, why do you know so much about this stuff 02:15 MTDiscord who cares 02:15 cfnblx I'm pretty sure the 3rd reich wasn't guilty of banning people on Discord. 02:15 cfnblx That's one thing they got right. 02:15 mcl interesting how you think you know when I was born 02:16 mcl when in reality you're not even close 02:16 MTDiscord I feel like comparing what the third reich did to being banned on discord kinda downplays a genuinely tragic event 02:16 mcl + you can't even recognize an obvious joke 02:16 cfnblx If you're a day over 17 I'd be even more baffled than I am already. 02:16 mcl I'm way older than that 02:16 MTDiscord he's actually 2 days over 17 02:17 mcl Wrong 02:17 cfnblx Yikes. I guess I'll just put you in the same category I put old ElCeejo in. 02:17 cfnblx "Young at mind." 02:17 MTDiscord nah I'm still there 02:17 mcl And even if I were younger than 17, why would it even matter? 02:17 mcl No one's making fun of Rollerozxa or BBMine 02:17 mcl or StarNinjas 02:18 cfnblx They don't act like children. 02:18 mcl StarNinjas sure does 02:18 cfnblx I have no idea who that is. 02:18 mcl with his "DISGUSTANG" comments 02:18 MTDiscord I'd like to raise an objection given you made fun of rollerozxa... 02:18 mcl Some 12 yo kid 02:18 MTDiscord StarNinjas at least has some self-awareness 02:18 mcl who writes games for MT 02:19 cfnblx Dude you've blundered way too much English this evening to call anyone out for intentional misspellings. 02:19 MTDiscord The only thing worse than getting banned, is getting banned and then bitching about it elsewhere. 02:19 MTDiscord self supporting ban XD 02:20 cfnblx I told him he needs to get out of the basement for a night when he was like "Because it has monopolized everything" in reference to Discord 02:20 MTDiscord he played a stupid game, won the stupid prize, and now wants to brag about it 02:20 MTDiscord nothing wrong with that imo 02:20 MTDiscord It's like, go fly a kite or something, jesus christ some people have no life. 02:20 MTDiscord lets be real, who here is not in the basement all day other than me obviously 02:21 MTDiscord I work full time 02:21 MTDiscord Benrob visits his local ikea often 02:21 MTDiscord taking notes, and such 02:21 MTDiscord not really excluding the other 02:21 cfnblx I'm in the "basement" (my office) all day and night, because my office is my bedroom which I rarely, if ever, leave. 02:21 cfnblx BUT, I'm not disillusioned as a result. 02:21 MTDiscord @Captain Termites No no, thats an hour away 02:21 MTDiscord a small price to pay for funny SCP game 02:23 MTDiscord I mean, I mainly work in a backroom. So it's kind of like a basement, but at ground level 02:23 cfnblx Same here 02:23 cfnblx this mcl dude's got me thinking of this audio clip I saw on Envato earlier 02:23 cfnblx https://elements.envato.com/sports-announcer-saying-its-all-over-Q3L5BMA 02:24 mcl Talking to you is like talking to a donkey, except I would rather talk to a donkey, because at least donkey doesn't talk back to you 02:24 mcl I feel like debating you is pointless, as you're just a bunch of trolls who enjoy making fun of people. 02:24 MTDiscord Nice biblicalism, but donkeys are actually quite loud. 02:24 cfnblx I've given you two hugs. 02:25 MTDiscord 02:25 cfnblx Okay, well, back to the 3rd reich 02:26 cfnblx ahem, I mean, Discord. 02:26 MTDiscord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG4hOjJ9tEs 02:26 mcl Discord sucks ass; the only reason I've been using it is Minetest but now that I got banned I will be removing the account. 02:27 MTDiscord What is really interesting is that you keep talking to the jerks who banned you, one could think you desperately need to talk to someone... 02:29 mcl I talk to some very fine people almost every day in real life, in fact a very nice and refined human being is sitting right by my side as I'm typing this. 02:29 mcl I get more interpersonal contact daily than you've ever gotten in the entirety of your life 02:32 MTDiscord Well I'm glad you're living a happy and fulfilled life. I guess you don't need us then and have no reason to continue bitching into the IRC channel :-) 02:33 mcl You are absolutely right, the only reason I'm here is that I wanted to make everyone aware of wSSor88's shitty behavior. 02:33 mcl If you don't want to talk to me that's fine, I don't need you either. 02:33 mcl I'm out. 02:34 MTDiscord You seem to be having some trouble typing his name, might want to get your keyboard checked 02:34 mcl Looks like the reference went right over your head 02:36 MTDiscord Idk, I just think that your keyboard might have caught some kind of illiteracy from whoever's been typing all day 02:37 mcl Reccommended reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel and https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/88 [def 3] 02:37 MTDiscord But then again, I never did feel the need to publicly call out moderators I had problems with, even when I was quite impedanced by them 02:38 MTDiscord I did read the chat history, btw. But it seems my sarcasm went straight over your head. 02:39 MTDiscord https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Sport_(Chevrolet) 02:40 MTDiscord You don't actually think I'm taking this seriously, do you? I mean, hell, I work in retail and you're hardly the bitchiest person I've had to deal with lately. 02:41 MTDiscord I'd give you, maybe a 3.5/10 on the bitchiness scale. 02:42 MTDiscord Funny to read, not anything anyone is going to pay any mind to. 02:42 mcl You don't know what kind of my person I am in real life 02:42 mcl just like I don't know what kind of person you are 02:43 MTDiscord Anyways, I need to get up early in the morning. So while it's been fun, I'm going to let everyone else continue this if they so choose. 02:43 mcl but yeah, I'm getting tired of this, I think I'm gonna go for a walk with my friend 02:45 cfnblx Honestly it sounds like you don't have any friends. 02:46 cfnblx Maybe you should stop with the "everyone hates me" gag and just try being friendly. 02:47 cfnblx Unless the "everyone hates me" thing works for you, then by all means. I doubt that behavior is only limited to your online activity, though. 02:47 MTDiscord "yeah guys see I go outside all the time I have friends guys believe me" 02:48 cfnblx Everyone here is actually quite nice. The only one I don't like is wsor, but I think he's just on the spectrum. I once had a friend with Aspergers. Very similar. 02:48 cfnblx (i.e. I'm even warming up to him) 02:48 mcl Are you accusing me of being an Autist? 02:48 cfnblx I think being an artist is a wonderful thing. 02:49 mcl trolling as usual 02:49 cfnblx Maybe you should go paint/draw something. Might help. 02:50 mcl and maybe you shouldn't accuse someone you don't even know of being an Autist or having no friends and whatnot when you don't even know that person 02:50 MTDiscord 5 minute walk with your friend 02:50 MTDiscord that was short 02:50 mcl As I said earlier, I have more friends that all of you combined, and I've never felt better! 02:50 mcl I'll be leaving my house now 02:51 MTDiscord of course 02:51 MTDiscord have fun 02:51 mcl so don't expect any more messages from me 02:51 MTDiscord how dreadful 03:09 AlexBrownSobinec Gm 05:12 MTDiscord why does set_list reset a list's width but not size? 05:53 lissobone Comrades. 05:53 lissobone mcl: hello. 05:54 lissobone I've read the messages. Looks like we're (almost) in the same boat. 05:55 lissobone I too get indignant at times, but you should not've compared a discord mod's hunger for power with Nazi Germany's war crimes, as those are of different orders of magnitute. 05:55 lissobone I understand. 05:56 lissobone Hmm... Where did I see wsor... 06:04 muurkha heh 08:47 lissobone Greetings. 08:58 MTDiscord gosh what happened this time 09:47 lissobone Flamore: what do you think? 09:48 MTDiscord cringe drama 09:48 lissobone Where? 10:02 lissobone What makes you think that there is a cringe drama? 10:25 lissobone Guys. 10:25 lissobone Has anyone got a server? 10:32 lissobone Or does anyone want to play? 15:21 MTDiscord XD 15:22 MTDiscord Lissobone , when be playing on Survive server No.521? XD 16:13 lissobone SlavaNeMarlow: when I feel that the starts are aligned. 16:28 mcl lissobone: You're still alive? 16:29 mcl I'm not comparing him to Nazi Germany 16:29 MTDiscord ๐Ÿคจ 16:29 mcl Just trying to point out the obvious similarities between the two 17:14 DeepThgt wow, the backscroll for this channel just lowered my iq by 10 points 17:18 MTDiscord apologies for having discord drama spill into the IRC channels, we try to only have this happen at most only once a month ๐Ÿ™ƒ 17:22 MTDiscord We shouldn't be the ones to apologize; the Discord community and moderators weren't the ones who PUT the drama into the IRC channels. 17:24 AlexBrow1Sobinec Crazy stuff is going on 17:24 MTDiscord When we have to throw somebody out of Discord because of their behavior, the implication is that they should fix their behavior, not that they should take it to some other part of the community. 17:27 mcl Warr1024: You left me w/ no other choice 17:27 mcl I meant wSSor, sorry 17:28 MTDiscord Right, because of course learning from your mistakes was never an option. 18:09 mcl I'm always the guilty one 18:09 mcl It's always me 18:25 mrkubax10 what happened there? 18:55 AlexBrown64 Im back 19:01 mcl mrkubax10: They banned me from the Discord group 19:02 MTDiscord and you got a sudden desire to start using IRC, I see 19:04 MTDiscord Wow still going on 19:05 MTDiscord https://tenor.com/view/running-gag-kermit-the-frog-kermit-fozzie-bear-fozzie-gif-21072798 19:05 mcl ROllerozxa: nope 19:05 mcl I've been using IRC for way longer 19:06 MTDiscord https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367 19:06 mcl I just started using it for MT now because they banned me from the Discord 19:06 mrkubax10 why did you get banned? 19:07 mcl but again the only reason I used the MT Discord in the first place was that the IRC and phpBB are very inactive compared to it 19:07 mcl mrkubax10: for pointing out one of the moderators incompetence 19:07 MTDiscord you can get banned on irc 19:08 MTDiscord haha, that's a very euphemistic way to put it 19:08 mrkubax10 not sure what was pointed exactly but I suppose that no one had bad intentions 19:08 MTDiscord mrkubax10: well that assumption likely is wrong regarding MCL; he constantly seems to be stirring the pot 19:09 MTDiscord just look at his MTForums posts (specifically the entire "XtreemSex" thing), or their websites, or anything really 19:10 MTDiscord IRC is very much like the forums in terms of moderation 19:10 mcl At least it's less oppressive than the Discord moderation 19:11 mcl This is exactly why I forked Minetest and all Minetest services 19:11 mcl because of this kind of behavior 19:11 mcl always blaming me for all of your life problems 19:17 mrkubax10 after brief look I didn't notice anything particularly bad about MCL's website, idk about xtreemsex 19:18 MTDiscord We're mostly blaming you for YOUR life problems. 19:18 MTDiscord You being banned from Discord is not a problem in anybody else's life. 19:19 MTDiscord so... you're forking the entire minetest ecosystem? coolio, I guess 19:19 mcl Almost 19:19 mcl except for Discord 19:20 mcl and I'm working on my own voxel engine 19:21 mrkubax10 tbh I agree with mcl that Minetest community has tendency to trolling 19:21 mrkubax10 I saw one person that was unable to verify mesehub account but everything he got was trolling 19:22 mcl XtreemSex is just a mod that adds character customization. It's YOU who made a big deal out of it 19:22 MTDiscord mrkubax10: Going by your definition, I shall characterize MCL as an overzealous Minetest community member then :trollface: 19:23 MTDiscord Where? 19:23 mcl Ah yes, everyone I don't agree with is a troll 19:23 MTDiscord (the one person unable to verify their MeseHub account only receiving trolling) 19:23 MTDiscord MCL: Thank you for clarifying your stance. 19:24 mcl I know of a few prominent Minetest modders/contributors who are often harrassed and made fun of 19:24 mrkubax10 luatic: wait, let me find it in logs 19:24 MTDiscord "At least it's less oppressive than the Discord moderation" yes from my experience it looks like people on the IRC side can do just about fucking anything without repercussions (shudders january 15th) 19:24 mrkubax10 https://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2023-02-25#i_6057873 19:25 MTDiscord (side note: MCL would call ROllerozxa Trollerozxa for not accepting their (questionable) CDB packages) 19:25 MTDiscord Being "prominent" doesn't mean that you're immune to being called out if you do something particularly dumb. Actually, it kinda usually has the opposite effect... 19:25 mcl luatic: Now that I think about it, I should start calling him Fuhrerozxa 19:26 MTDiscord ๐Ÿค” 19:26 MTDiscord thank you for giving a prime example of why you got banned 19:26 mcl For pointing out the trolling and harrassment? 19:27 MTDiscord Continuing to minimize the impact of the holocaust by using it as a comparison for getting your wrist slapped for egregious misbehavior would ITSELF probably be a rule violation, and continuing to persist in doing it would eventually get you banned. 19:28 MTDiscord mrkubax10: yes, I agree, the MeseHub thing went subpar 19:28 MTDiscord but it is by no means representative of the general Minetest community 19:29 mcl It is. 19:29 MTDiscord note also that Jack4G's request was inherently suspicious: He wanted an account to be deleted with no means to prove that he should have the rights to the account. 19:29 MTDiscord The suggestion to chose another nickname seems reasonable. 19:29 mrkubax10 well yes but I don't think that sending e-mail and account password in public chat is a good way to prove account ownership 19:30 MTDiscord mrkubax10: That's a false dichotomy you're constructing here. 19:30 MTDiscord Opinions about "the minetest community" as a whole are at best based on an arbitrary sample, like the tale of the blind men and the elephant. At worst, it's somebody like MCL whose entire online persona seems to revolve around various axes to grind. 19:30 MTDiscord They can prove account ownership only through the means provided by the platform, e.g. "resend verification e-mail". 19:30 MTDiscord This is possible safely and securely. 19:31 MTDiscord If this is not an option, I'm afraid they can't prove account ownership, and will have to create a new one. 19:31 mrkubax10 I guess 19:31 MTDiscord It's entirely possible for an account to exist that nobody can prove ownership of. That name is, unfortunately, probably just lost. 19:31 MTDiscord I can't just contact GitHub, claiming "appguru" is actually my account but oh my god I forgot my e-mail password so please delete it so I can have the name, oki? 19:32 MTDiscord I mean, I can, but I'll get a polite rejection. 19:32 MTDiscord The moral of the story is probably to be really careful about keeping track of your credentials if being able to have the name you want is valuable to you. 19:32 MTDiscord s/'ll/'d 19:33 mrkubax10 it's not that he forgot email credentials, verification e-mail didn't appear for few days 19:33 mrkubax10 I suppose that this is gmail issue 19:33 mrkubax10 or gitea bug 19:33 MTDiscord then he should check his spam 19:33 MTDiscord pretty sure there is an option to resend the verification e-mail? 19:34 mrkubax10 yes, didn't work either 19:34 mcl Runs (a.k.a. JuanchiPro), ywwv, L-Dog, and Tim790 are 4 very prominent examples of people who got harrassed by the Minetest "community" 19:34 mrkubax10 I tried creating temporary account using 10minutemail and verification email appeared instantly 19:34 MTDiscord harassed* 19:34 MTDiscord when did tim7 get harassed??? 19:34 mrkubax10 spam folder was empty too btw 19:34 mcl Whenever he posts something on the BB or CDB 19:35 mcl mainly on the Discord 19:35 MTDiscord that's plain wrong 19:35 MTDiscord It's not all that unlikely that something broke on the sending side. The email ecosystem is basically in a permanent state of emergency over spam and thus it's very hard to inject messages as a small independent platform operator. 19:35 MTDiscord maybe I have a different definition of harassment but I don't think he ever was harassed by anyone 19:35 MTDiscord runs is the exception on the list, but the other 3 people are pretty much known for stirring the pot 19:35 MTDiscord pretty much only for stirring the pot, may I add 19:36 MTDiscord runs does actually try and create valuable content; sometimes he seems to be deliberately picking up controversial motives (e.g. Samantha or his "fascism" mod thing) to get attention 19:36 mcl TenPlus1 also found himself in the center of a harrassment campaign 19:36 MTDiscord People generally get an amount of harassment comparable to the amount they create, subject to some margins of error. runs probably gets more than his share, ywwv probably less. 19:36 MTDiscord a campaign? you'll need some hard evidence to back that up 19:37 MTDiscord TenPlus rather found themselves in the center of a license violation issue 19:37 MTDiscord because they violated the licenses 19:37 MTDiscord TenPlus1 was never harassed either. package takedowns for copyright issues isn't harassment 19:38 mcl Brother, they've made an entire smiley face in Discord to make fun of Runs 19:38 MTDiscord TenPlus1's situation was sort of like the way Capone was "harassed" by law enforcement for his illegal activities. Though in TP1's defense, it wasn't entirely their fault (ideally they should have known better than to trust people the way they did, but everyone needs a learning opportunity). 19:38 MTDiscord mcl: that's your interpretation 19:38 mcl When I once asked a question about one of Runs' projects in the Discord they accused me of being his alt 19:38 MTDiscord and it is IMO a wrong one; the only thing this smile mocks is the smile of the player used by Juanchi on his Juanchi Game screenshot 19:39 MTDiscord The "juanchi face" emote isn't making fun of runs the person, it's making fun of the artwork he makes for his mods. 19:39 mcl That's just plain hatred 19:39 MTDiscord mcl: wrong, like most of your statements 19:39 MTDiscord please stop making false statements 19:39 MTDiscord If you can't tell the difference between making fun of a person and making fun of a bad idea ... well, I guess that would explain a lot. 19:39 MTDiscord it is hard to have a proper discussion when you're constantly making false statements 19:39 mcl His artwork is better than what any one of you could ever make 19:40 MTDiscord now that's just detracting from the original discussion, completely irrelevant 19:41 MTDiscord luatic, I think it's probably unfair to mischaracterize mcl's statements as "wrong" or "false" when they don't necessarily always rise to that standard. Like when he just blindly lashes out and says stuff like "his artwork is better than what any of you could ever make" entirely without basis, that's not even wrong. 19:41 mcl People were calling TenPlus a cuckold and a soyjack in the Discord and the BB because they didn't like him removing his modes in protest 19:41 MTDiscord time to go back to a productive topic 19:41 MTDiscord let's shill the b3d to glTF converter 19:41 mcl Warr1024: at least he has originals ideas and fights for what he believies 19:41 MTDiscord shilled 19:41 mcl I got to respect him for that 19:42 MTDiscord what's your definition of harassment now again 19:42 MTDiscord uh oh so I made this awesome thing in pure Lua 19:42 MTDiscord it can read just about any b3d and spit out a glTF 19:42 mcl mrkubax10: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28704 19:42 MTDiscord this is useful if you have B3Ds but the source blend files have gone missing 19:42 mcl Even this topic got cryptolocked now, probably by r-wardy 19:43 MTDiscord Got to say I have a good laugh on my end while reading this discussion, it is quite entertaining 19:44 mcl mrkubax10: Wanna move to the other channel and talk about the mod? (you know which one) 19:44 luk3yx luatic: Nice 19:44 MTDiscord mcl: oh no, the forum moderators did something for once and a garbage thread got locked 19:44 MTDiscord luk3yx: thanks (again) 19:45 MTDiscord anyways, if you have any b3ds that you want to be glTFs, just send them to me, or use modlib yourself if you are brave ;) 19:45 MTDiscord Hmm, I should make an example for this 19:46 mrkubax10 mcl: responded in dm 19:46 mcl ROllerozxa: How is a thread meant to discuess the genuine problem of Minetest's decline into censorship "garbage"? 19:52 MTDiscord I don't think that was what the thread actually ended up becoming 19:54 MTDiscord ah, he left 19:54 MTDiscord mcl reminds me of 10 year old me tbf 19:54 rubenwardy [19:41] People were calling TenPlus a cuckold and a soyjack in the Discord and the BB because they didn't like him removing his modes in protest 19:54 rubenwardy Pretty sure no one did. Checked through the forum thread, can't see such insults. The two words you mention also haven't been used in this context either https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28883 19:54 MTDiscord but i didn't go around calling people nazis 19:54 MTDiscord third reich nazis specifically 19:55 MTDiscord Censorship is a real problem that affects real people, and it's really sad to see it abused by petulant children whining about being sent to their room with no desert for constantly harassing and belittling other poeple. 19:55 rubenwardy *in this context on Discord 20:02 mcl rubenwardy: hmm, strange. I remember seeing someone call him that somewhere 20:03 mcl Warr1024: Yes, because censorship is only bad when governments do it, am I right? 20:04 MTDiscord mcl, non-sequitur, try again. 20:05 mcl no idea what that means 20:05 MTDiscord https://tenor.com/view/nbc-trial-and-error-trial-and-error-gifs-satisfied-gif-9685361 20:07 MTDiscord > Non sequitur (fallacy), an invalid argument whose conclusion is not supported by its premises 20:08 mcl You're havily implying that baseless censorship like this is fine as long as it's not done by governments 20:10 MTDiscord what counts as censorship exactly 20:12 mcl Removing or suppressing speech 20:12 mcl or text in this case 20:13 MTDiscord I've written basic docs for the b3d module now, mostly outlining the few functions and pointing at a few examples from my mods: https://github.com/appgurueu/modlib/blob/master/doc/b3d.md 20:13 MTDiscord @caffeinatedblocks you can use this to convert b3ds to glTFs ^ 20:13 MTDiscord so I can insult you and harass you? 20:13 luk3yx Nice Lars 20:14 MTDiscord Thank you!! 20:14 MTDiscord mcl: I don't think free speech extends to online platforms run by private entities... 20:14 MTDiscord hotly debated topic, though 20:15 MTDiscord there are online places that try to be as free speech as possible, but even there you can get banned, "censored", if you act completely out of line 20:16 MTDiscord free speech is when I get to say whatever I want, and you don't (you disagree with me and that's cringe) 20:16 MTDiscord https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech_2x.png obligatory xkcd 20:22 mcl ROllerozxa: legally it doesn't, but ideologically it absolutely does 20:26 MTDiscord Basically, only MCL is allowed to have free speech, and anyone else who exercises free speech by, say, calling him out on his shit, or kicking him out of a place whose rules he has violated, is not allowed to. 20:27 MTDiscord funny how that works 20:27 MTDiscord pretty sure I said that... 20:28 MTDiscord On Discord we are avid supporters of free speech, including speech that would get you banned, as you learned first hand when we allowed you to freely say the things that got you banned. 20:28 MTDiscord besides, by joining a server you're basically agreeing to follow the rules 20:30 MTDiscord I think maybe there are some people who misunderstand the "free" in "free speech" as somehow implying "free of consequences." In fact there is no place in the world where that exists; the staunchest free-speech-advocating regimes generally disallow prior restraint: you can't be stopped from saying what you want. Once you have said it, then you're also free to live with the consequences. 20:33 mcl Warr1024: I see you're an authoritarian apologist 20:33 mcl Freedom of speech does mean freedom from consequences 20:34 mcl by that logic you can also say "What do you mean murder is illegal? No one is stopping you from commiting murder, just don't complain when you go to prison" 20:35 MTDiscord Some people want to share and discuss ideas, and will tolerate the risk that an argument breaks out in pursuit of that higher goal. For them, places like the MT Discord, IRC, Matrix, forums, etc. are primarily made. Other people just want to argue because they want to fight; they have a very good-vs-evil-centric worldview and it makes them feel like they're fighting FOR something. I don't think there's a place that's really designed 20:35 MTDiscord for them. They may find SOME tolerance in various other places, depending on how active moderation is, but ultimately they aren't really productive or welcome there. 20:38 MTDiscord mcl: earlier today I renamed the username of someone who registered with an extremely inappropriate username on a site I run. did I censor this individual? should I have let that stay in the name of free speech? I haven't banned them, just renamed their account 20:39 mcl Mind telling us what the username in questions was? 20:39 MTDiscord If freedom of speech means freedom from consequences, then it's literally impossible. Most of the reasons why people who speak are given consequences for their speech is to counterbalance the consequences that their speech has on other people who weren't given the choice. 20:40 mcl ROllerozxa: guess what, I did the same in February on a site I help moderate 20:40 MTDiscord holy shit, you censored someone??? 20:40 mcl yes 20:40 MTDiscord I did it once too, but since I'm a Bad Guy I guess that makes it wrong for you both too. 20:41 mcl and I'm not saying censorship by non-gov't entities is always bad, but censoring someone for expressing his opinions is wrong no matter who does it (unless it's in a politics free space) 20:41 mcl and all political opinions are censored equally 20:41 mcl but that's not the case with the MT Discord 20:42 mcl The account in question was made by a prankster with the sole purpose of being offensive 20:42 MTDiscord Politics are not disallowed on Discord. Starting fights is, and politics is cited as an example of a topic that is highly likely to lead to fights. People DO talk politics, and people who are able to stop before it leads to fights have not violated the rule. 20:45 MTDiscord Well, banning politics entirely is futile because it covers quite a lot of ground, really. I mean, a lot of the politics that arise within MT itself are pretty hard to avoid. 20:45 AlexBrownSobinec What's going on here? 20:47 MTDiscord MCL recently got banned from the Discord and is trying to construct an ideological framework to justify his anger about it. 20:47 AlexBrownSobinec Wow 20:48 MTDiscord I'm not really sure why it's necessary, really. "I'm mad that this was done to me" would work fine. 20:48 mcl I'm Xtreem-ly mad this was done to me 20:48 mcl Happy now? 20:48 MTDiscord Xtreem without the (tm)? 20:49 MTDiscord he said xtreemโ„ข๏ธ! mcl fan service! 20:56 MTDiscord anyways I'm pretty sure that you weren't banned for expressing your opinion 21:20 mcl Flamore: I was 21:21 MTDiscord what was your opinion 21:22 mcl That the user who got banned didn't deserve the ban 21:23 MTDiscord You can be banned for expressing your opinion. If you start shouting your opinions in a library, they'll ask you to leave. If you keep it up long enough, they'll have the police carry you out. How and where you express your opinions matter too. Is this censorship? Maybe. You either have to accept that it's not censorship, or that censorship is not all automatically bad. 21:25 MTDiscord please note that mcl repeatedly confuses mutes with bans 21:26 MTDiscord The specific incident that lead to a ban doesn't really matter that much anyway. We make ban decisions based on the totality of a person's behavior on the platform, so when you accumulate a lot of little infractions over time and don't add much redeeming value, it's sort of arbitrary which one it is that finally pushes you over the edge. 21:30 mcl There were multiple cases of wSSor banning people who just joined the server 21:30 mcl over something they said 21:31 mcl Like the brother I was trying to defend 21:31 MTDiscord Right. Like I said, we generally evaluate the totality of a person's contributions. If you join and your very first contributions are negative, you won't last long. 21:32 MTDiscord in recent memory, the only people getting banned soon after joining is obvious ban evasion alts 21:33 MTDiscord also, > please note that mcl repeatedly confuses mutes with bans 21:34 MTDiscord "repeatedly confuses mutes with bans" <-- that's actually kind of hard to compensate for. Also, you left out the "willfully" 21:34 MTDiscord uh yeah, the thing you replied to that got you banned was a mute, not a ban 21:34 MTDiscord person also left before they could get muted 21:47 sfan5 est31: this might be interesting regarding the implementation you once wrote https://www.computest.nl/nl/knowledge-platform/blog/exploiting-two-buggy-srp-implementations/ 22:03 sfan5 mcl: can you elaborate on what "wSSor" means? 22:04 MTDiscord Wsor is a Discord moderator, they might show up as Jonathan on your side 22:04 MTDiscord its a very bad insult towards wsor 22:07 MTDiscord trust that he posts a "joke" meme about it on reddit 22:12 marl_scot how folks, trying to start minetest client so it automatically connects to my local server, : minetest --address IP:PORT --password PASS --name MYUSER --world minetest 22:12 marl_scot but i still get presented with the server list 22:12 sofar --go 22:13 sofar add that option 22:13 rubenwardy no need for --world when connecting as well 22:14 marl_scot ah, now i get a couldnt resolve address, cant he --address field take an IP:PORT or does port have to be specified sepratly? 22:14 rubenwardy I suspect it may need to be --address and --port 22:15 marl_scot great thanks, hadnt spotted the port option. 22:16 sofar you need --address --port --name --password --go 22:17 sofar if the port of the server is the default (30000) then it can be omitted 22:25 mcl sfan5: wSchutzStaffelor 22:29 mcl Congo on cryptoremoving my image 22:31 sfan5 mcl: I'm sure you are aware that insulting other community members is not allowed, even on IRC 22:46 mcl It's only allowed we the person being insulted is someone you don't like 22:47 MTDiscord could you put that in simpler english? 22:49 MTDiscord SS, like the nazis. I assume he's adding that into "wsor" 22:50 MTDiscord yes ๐Ÿ‘† 22:54 mcl paradust: yes 22:54 mcl finally someone who gets it 22:55 sfan5 feel free to not follow the rules elsewhere 22:55 sfan5 !kick mcl 22:56 AlexBrownSobinec He died =# 23:48 MTDiscord oh no, the comedy is over