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rubenwardy |
installing using Content > Browse online content is recommended |
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rubenwardy |
but the answer is minetest/games/nodecore, where minetest is the user data dir |
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rubenwardy |
commonly ~/.minetest/games/nodecore |
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Menchers |
unlimited viewing range is no longer unlimited |
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DeepT |
another benefit of rolling release distros, no horribly "cutesy" release names |
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DeepT |
i hate that crap so much, idk and i dont wanna know wtf "jammy jellyfish" is |
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DeepT |
version numbers are rational, stupid names are not |
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DeepT |
thank you for attending my ted talk |
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lissobone |
Greetings. |
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DeepT |
apparently manually editing /etc/apt/sources.list to add the newest ubuntu version repos is ~ to do-release-upgrade |
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lissobone |
I have to come out of the closet. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> DeepT: I doubt that |
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lissobone |
Hello. |
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DeepT |
<luatic> DeepT: I doubt that |
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DeepT |
tell that to my working ubuntu upgrade |
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DeepT |
for various reasons of china's fault it was the only way |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> DeepT: It seems to be how Debian folks usually upgrade their OS's, but the do-release-upgrade tool does more. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Not sure if "more" necessarily is "better" though. It definitely breaks stuff often. |
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DeepT |
from a glance at the source code it doesnt do much that id want/need |
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DeepT |
...like most of ubuntu |
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DeepT |
or debian for that matter :P |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Honestly I think like 2/3 times I did do-release-upgrade I regretted it lol |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> But I think the last time it half-worked? |
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MinetestBot |
[git] x2048 -> minetest/minetest: Remove the 'loops' occlusion culler (#13169) b8aaad4 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/b8aaad4f1ef2e4b22cb7d47de9cb54068ccbbe18 (2023-01-23T09:58:29Z) |
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MTDiscord |
<cora> nah debian people just have "testing" as the release and run apt upgrade |
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MTDiscord |
<cora> i guess they would do that in the rare cases they run stable though |
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MTDiscord |
<cora> but you can simply put stable as well |
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MTDiscord |
<cora> and it should work |
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MTDiscord |
<cora> in theory no editing of sources.list is ever required hehe |
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kabou |
just put "sid" in your sources.list |
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kabou |
i think it's been more than 20 years ago since they last broke libc |
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kabou |
that was fun |
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DeepT |
i started with an old broken as hell banana pi w2 image |
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DeepT |
getting it into a working, updated system was a fun expereince |
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MTDiscord |
<paradust> Looking for advice how to fix this the right way. For minetest web, I need a way to launch the client, create a new world, and start the game, in one shot. The command-line --gameid <game> --go doesn't work unless there's an existing world. So I added a bit of code to directly create the world in this situation: |
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MTDiscord |
<paradust> https://github.com/paradust7/minetest/commit/62e885147dc07dc09cb45d0f6c8940be616f1715?diff=split#diff-ea7e5163c3659f6bf4bce96c4d955d28c454191010572cce541f8f3fab11887a |
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MTDiscord |
<paradust> This works in most cases, but since it completely bypasses the builtin menu, there's a problem with the configuration option allowed_mapgens, which is only ever read by the main menu code. |
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MTDiscord |
<paradust> For example, nonsensical_skyblock, which requires singlenode, ends up using the wrong mapgen |
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FavoritoHJS |
How I can be optimist about the future when even our saviors are influenced by the same people who are killing us? I fear efforts are best spent not on saving mankind now, but accepting we're completely fucked and ensuring that after the end times we can return to "not fucked" in decades and not centuries. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> who is killing you? you seem very much alive to me |
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FavoritoHJS |
nothing right now, but climate change, authoritarianism, et al will in the future |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> the end is already a decade late - wasn't it supposed to be in 2012 or something? |
| 19:50 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> again Favorito, you're massively exaggerating the current state of affairs here |
| 19:50 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> we're not at all "completely fucked" |
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FavoritoHJS |
i would... if we would do shit |
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FavoritoHJS |
we won't |
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FavoritoHJS |
there's no money here, and there won't be until it won't matter anymore |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> No. |
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FavoritoHJS |
welcome to the denial phase of grief |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> hah |
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muurkha |
well, each of us will die |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Your line of thought is not new; we've been there already: People calling for an apocalypse hoping that it might serve as a catharsis for mankind |
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muurkha |
not clear that the death rate under authoritarianism is higher |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> This attitude is a self-fulfilling prophecy |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> (Favorito's attitude that is) |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> FavoritoHJS: If you tried to base your statements on facts, you'd quickly see how it all fades away in uncertainity |
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muurkha |
maybe in a marginal sense: conceivably we could abolish death if we work hard enough on it, which is unlikely to happen if we regard the effort as futile |
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muurkha |
but almost everyone born has already died |
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FavoritoHJS |
ok, how many of the tecnologies, policies, peoples that will save us are sponsored by self-serving plutocrats? |
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muurkha |
and the effort to abolish death seems like a bit of a long shot even if it's prioritized |
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muurkha |
climate change would be a pretty bad problem if we kept burning fossil fuels and not doing geoengineering, but that's not the direction we'll go |
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Krock |
me burning coal in the furnace actually causes CO2 emissions |
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muurkha |
the self-serving plutocrats are investing in massive wind farms, solar power plants, and perhaps most importantly, advances in PV panel manufacturing |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> muurkha: Even considering the worst case of "humans act as dumb as possible", it's a problem that would ultimately solve itself due to the negative feedback loop ;) |
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muurkha |
yeah, I think that's what FavoritoHJS is worried about ;) |
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muurkha |
also it might end up solving itself the way it did on Venus, where negative feedback stabilized the climate at a much higher temperature |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Worst case might indeed be a drastic decline of the population, but anyone who speaks of "the end" or "extinction" is just laughable; such scenarios are far from plausible, even considering the absolute worst case |
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FavoritoHJS |
thus why I said "I fear efforts are best spent not on saving mankind now, but accepting we're completely fucked and ensuring that after the end times we can return to "not fucked" in decades and not centuries." |
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muurkha |
There are lots of possible human extinction scenarios, but climate change probably isn't one of them. |
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FavoritoHJS |
but it will kill modern civilization dead in the water |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> What a bold claim |
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FavoritoHJS |
global shipping chains, anyone? |
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FavoritoHJS |
do you remember how badly they broke down under covid? |
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FavoritoHJS |
Imagine that, but even worse |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Why? I suppose rising sea levels should aid shipping ;) |
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muurkha |
i do remember. i'm imagining it. it didn't produce even a single regional famine |
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FavoritoHJS |
But it will drown all the ports and make most living areas uninhabitable |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> what |
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muurkha |
Yes, in like 100 years |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> why would it "drown the ports" |
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muurkha |
Because ports are mostly at sea level, and a few meters of sea level rise are expected |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> also if living areas become uninhabitable I suppose people will have to find new living areas, gradually |
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FavoritoHJS |
if they can |
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FavoritoHJS |
spoiler: most of the poor won't, and guess who produces our stuff |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Not only the poor people produce stuff |
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sfan5 |
paradust: it sounds like this issue would already exist with minetestserver and --world |
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muurkha |
Poor people can walk inland too |
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muurkha |
Mostly rich people produce our stuff |
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FavoritoHJS |
and then live where? plus, it could be too hot as well |
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muurkha |
Sea level rise is 3.7 mm a year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise |
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sfan5 |
allowed_mapgens support should either be added to the C++ side, or better some glue code added that allows the C++ to call the "create a world with the right stuff" parts of builtin/mainmenu |
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muurkha |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise#Projections_for_the_21st_century says the projected range of sea level rise by 02100 is 300–1200 mm, or 2400 mm if Antarctica melts |
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FavoritoHJS |
Plus, do you think the chaos that will be produced from a good chunk of the worlds population will bode well for the continued upkeep of production? |
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muurkha |
It's certainly going to be a tumultuous century |
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FavoritoHJS |
They'll revolt due to a lack of resources needed to live, and will revolt harder when they aren't provided -- or worse, diverted elsewhere. |
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FavoritoHJS |
tumultuous will be an understatement |
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FavoritoHJS |
i fear silicon-age collapse will be a better one |
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muurkha |
I might even say fascinating |
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muurkha |
I'm pretty confident in predicting that pretty much everyone born before 01980 will die this century |
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muurkha |
I mean, of those who are still alive! |
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muurkha |
Even without any catastrophes. |
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muurkha |
There will surely be a lot of revolts, as there were in the 20th century, and the 19th century, and the 18th century. |
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muurkha |
Probably some big genocides, too. |
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muurkha |
Hopefully not, of course, but probably so. The 20th century had the biggest genocides and wars the world had ever seen. So did the 19th century (though the word "genocide" hadn't been invented yet) until they were eclipsed by those of the 20th. |
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muurkha |
Climate change is a huge problem, but it's not technically unsolvable. It's "just" a question of coordination. |
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FavoritoHJS |
coordination that doesn't exist, and won't exist until it's too late. |
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muurkha |
Too late for you, but not for civilization. |
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muurkha |
Someone born today would be 76 years old at the turn of the century; they have a better than even chance of being dead by then. |
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muurkha |
(Even, again, without climate change.) |
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DeepT |
<muurkha> Climate change is a huge problem, but it's not technically unsolvable. It's "just" a question of coordination. |
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DeepT |
you cannot fix climate change, the climate is always changing |
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DeepT |
https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_620_original_image/public/graph-from-scott-wing-620px.png |
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DeepT |
that being said, im not pro pollution. I dont wanna eat microplastics, i dont wanna breathe a bunch of nasty air |
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DeepT |
i just don't see the point in being alarmed by something out of our control |
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DeepT |
interestingly enough, stopping international trade would reduce global emissions by 20-30% according to WTO's figures |
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DeepT |
id be curious to see also how on-shoring trade would effect other secondary emmissions problems, cause currently we manufacture in countries with worse pollution issues, the % of emissons that could be reduced could be even higher with ending the global economy |
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muurkha |
'worse pollution issues' generally means conventional pollution, things like perchloroethylene in the river and unburned hydrocarbons in the air, not CO₂ |
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DeepT |
true, id hazard a guess that china/india etc have less stringent emissions requirements than say, the usa or canada |
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DeepT |
i have no data on that though |
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muurkha |
in general it's the opposite, but there's a lot of variation |
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muurkha |
the biggest difference I think, having lived in only one of those four countries, is that in USA and Canada what you can do is determined by official regulations |
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FavoritoHJS |
does a law exist if no-one enforces it? |
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muurkha |
the problem isn't that no one enforces laws in India or China |
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DeepT |
ya which is why we shouldnt manufacture there :P |
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DeepT |
on shore we can oversee env regulation compliance, child labor, etc |
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muurkha |
I doubt you can |
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DeepT |
i mean, it wont be perfect because nothing is, but not having the problem be across the world helps |
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DeepT |
either way, im far too off topic i think :P |
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definitelya__ |
I post-ironically support a Greta New World Order™. |
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DeepT |
lol |
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definitelya__ |
Every culture and nation can do as they please, but a worldwide authority forbids excessive pollution and nuclear warfare. |
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definitelya__ |
Easy right? :( |
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DeepT |
nuclear warfare takes care of excess population efficently though, and as humans drive climate change |
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DeepT |
nukes are a good thing |
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DeepT |
since we are on post irony now |
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definitelya__ |
uhm, let's agree to disagree... |
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definitelya__ |
Oh right |
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DeepT |
<definitelya__> uhm, let's agree to disagree... |
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DeepT |
i don't agree to that whatsoever :P |
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definitelya__ |
Ye |
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DeepT |
i entirely give up on putting wiregaurd on this banana pi |
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DeepT |
stupid thing uses a custom kernel, no kernel headers available |
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DeepT |
im not installing docker to grab an ubuntu 16 build env to build a new kernel with the needed modules, ill install it to my old rasp pi instead |
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* muurkha |
writes a sea level rise mod |
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paradust |
sfan5: Are there any hooks that allow a game to customize world creation entirely? Would I need to worry about that |
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