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lissobone |
I had a dream where minetest player's camera view could roll. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> sure you didnt watch c55 video from forever ago? |
| 05:48 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> or jp's camera pr demo video |
| 06:00 |
lissobone |
I didn't. |
| 06:18 |
lissobone |
To be honest, apercy's aircrafts are sort of slow. |
| 06:18 |
lissobone |
That's why I am making MiG-29. |
| 06:18 |
lissobone |
With real speeds. |
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MTDiscord |
<Vagankovo> But can you fly it through a tunnel |
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lissobone |
I will try. |
| 07:17 |
lissobone |
I will also add g-load. |
| 07:17 |
lissobone |
And wing failure due to excessive load. |
| 07:19 |
lissobone |
I already made a small mod that allows a player to receive damage when pers acceleration exceeds 9g (it doesn't work well, to be honest, because even jumping hurts). |
| 07:19 |
lissobone |
Note: "per/pers" is a gender neutral pronoun, an alternative to very ambiguous and confusing "they/them". |
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lissobone |
I insist on using "they/them" only when there are multiple people. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> It's what RMS advocates for at least |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> anyways, I don't think you can really implement a MiG-29 "Foxtrot" with Mach almost 3 in Minetest |
| 11:47 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> Minetest simply is not made for this; Mach 3 means at least 3000 km per hour which is way beyond what you can hope to emerge, generate or load with Minetest |
| 11:48 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> To make matters even worse, Minetest has no support for CSM-controlled client-side physics, so the lag would make the plane unflyable (except perhaps for singleplayer mode, but even there you'll run into issues) |
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lissobone |
Yes, I agree with RMS, that's why I mentioned those pronouns. |
| 11:52 |
lissobone |
What is CSM, by the way? |
| 11:52 |
lissobone |
Cutter soil mixing? |
| 11:52 |
lissobone |
Controlled Substance Management? |
| 11:52 |
lissobone |
I actually know how to implement such physics. |
| 11:54 |
MTDiscord |
<cora> client side mod |
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lissobone |
Ok, thanks. |
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lissobone |
Once the aircraft takes off (let's assume that I cut the necessary velocities), its vertical acceleration is set to 0, and each global step its velocity vector is calculated based on its yaw, pitch, roll, certain settings (just some aerodynamics) and its current velocity. |
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lissobone |
I can take some code from GNU acm. |
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| 12:02 |
lissobone |
And I can just divide the necessary variables, so the fighter jet won't fight with the server. |
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lissobone |
Well, maybe it's possible to implement Cessna 172? |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> The fighter jet will fight with the server no matter what you do. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> You necessarily have to update velocity based on client input which will have a latency of the round-trip time. |
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lissobone |
So it would take MiG-29 about 2 minutes at top speed to pass through the whole minetest world? |
| 13:54 |
lissobone |
Neat. |
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lissobone |
Let me calculate it. |
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lissobone |
No, even faster. 100 seconds. |
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lissobone |
Greetings. |
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MTDiscord |
<cora> If the server can load the map that fast - which it can't probably |
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MTDiscord |
<cora> Maybe you can ignore ignore hehe |
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lissobone |
You cannot ingnore the Hehe. |
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Desour |
something I've been wondering about some time already: why are the weekdays in irc logs shifted by one day? |
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Desour |
was it always like this? |
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Desour |
i.e. today is friday, but it says T (for thursday) |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> might be something to do with that the weekday header begins with sunday while the calendar itself starts with monday |
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sfan5 |
fixed. |
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sfan5 |
Desour: I suspect the perl calendar package might have shifted its weekdays and/or it's locale dependent |
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sfan5 |
the weekday header is hardcoded in the ilbot source |
| 17:13 |
Desour |
thx! |
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lissobone |
Maybe not hardcode anything? |
| 17:18 |
lissobone |
First check current perl settings, then arrange the weekdays. |
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lissobone |
I think that it is possible. |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Could the commit for minetest game that removed the higher tier hoes be reverted? I am trying to make a farming mafia here |
| 19:22 |
FavoritoHJS |
the commit that changed hoes was this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/9c459e77ac943f10c74de3bdd420e07a2b8bb56f |
| 19:22 |
FavoritoHJS |
though I suspect a custom mod might be better for your purposes |
| 19:22 |
MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> :'( |
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FavoritoHJS |
don't worry, the steel hoe now has the durabillity that the diamond hoe once had |
| 19:24 |
FavoritoHJS |
and crafting a million stone hoes from stone and sticks is always an option |
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MTDiscord |
<cora> Man its gotta feel like an utter waste of time when you mined for hours finally to have Dias to spare to make a how and then it doesn't even work haha |
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MTDiscord |
<cora> hoe* |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1055954312896970912/image.png |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> lovely mandelbrot |
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MTDiscord |
<APercy> I dream with jet fighters, of course, but the map load will suffer a lot if I make one. So it's why I made my planes very slow at this time |
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MTDiscord |
<cora> without roll its only half the fun anyways hehe |
| 21:37 |
FavoritoHJS |
hmm, use the mouse for pitch and yaw, keyboard for throttle and roll |
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MTDiscord |
<cora> uh how do you make the camera roll in mt though |
| 21:40 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> you don't |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> you need either jp's camera pr, or c55 ancient minetest build |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> ah, does his camera pr also implement roll? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> yeah |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfb31TnOixw in the first 15 seconds |
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FavoritoHJS |
small problem: jp |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> huh? |
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FavoritoHJS |
i've seen the drama about i3, and the things he said makes me want to stay well away from him |
| 21:46 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> considering your the one who has propagated lies against a certain community member, dont really care what you say. sure, they have had some controversy, but be willing to bet you have used some of there contributions without knowning it in the engine and minetest game |
| 21:47 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> You're welcome to stay away from anyone you want to, but other people won't necessarily, especially if they are doing good work for the community. |
| 21:47 |
Desour |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeTjR5-IabY <- video of c55's plane thing |
| 21:47 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Most of us have very little influence over what happens engine-wise anyway. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> thanks desour for finding that |
| 21:49 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> that video has some wonderful music... oh we're talking about the camera roll |
| 21:50 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> lol, low key like that videos music as well |
| 21:51 |
Desour |
yeah, music can makes videos much more exciting, also here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOktUWaGRfc |
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MTDiscord |
<APercy> yes! |
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MTDiscord |
<APercy> I could try some WWI fighters with it first :) |
| 21:58 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> You still have 5 degrees of freedom so it should be 84% as fun. |
| 21:59 |
MTDiscord |
<cora> nah roll is one of the best ones |
| 21:59 |
MTDiscord |
<cora> at least in planes |
| 22:00 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> As fun as a plane without roll isn't, it's still more fun than a plane that, say, cannot translate along one axis, or has no pitch so you can only taxi along the ground. |
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MTDiscord |
<cora> fair |
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MTDiscord |
<cora> but i tell you the cool kids all fly without using the rudder (yaw) |
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FavoritoHJS |
> plane that, say, cannot translate along one axis |
| 22:01 |
FavoritoHJS |
so a side scrolling flight simulator? |
| 22:01 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> A side-scrolling flight simulator that has 3 axes of rotation would be pretty weird. |
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FavoritoHJS |
i mean, since one axis would go to the foward/backwards plane that doesn't exist, it's effectively a throttle |
| 22:05 |
MTDiscord |
<cora> in a plane you can do a lot of things with the throttle |
| 22:05 |
MTDiscord |
<cora> as a matter of fact people landed planes with only throttle input with all contol surfaces non functional |
| 22:06 |
Desour |
cool planes would shoot 1d hyperplanes intersected with the halfspace in front of them |
| 22:06 |
MTDiscord |
<cora> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Baghdad_DHL_attempted_shootdown_incident |
| 22:33 |
MTDiscord |
<APercy> exactly! |
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MTDiscord |
<APercy> Are you pilot too? |
| 22:34 |
MTDiscord |
<cora> wannabe hehe |
| 22:35 |
MTDiscord |
<APercy> :) do it someday, it was the best thing I did in my life |
| 22:35 |
MTDiscord |
<cora> my dad was an airplane mechanic |
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MTDiscord |
<APercy> My dad too |
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MTDiscord |
<cora> so i know people and have done a few sim hours |
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MTDiscord |
<APercy> I'm a brazilian private pilot |
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MTDiscord |
<cora> nice |
| 22:37 |
MTDiscord |
<APercy> I'm trying to go back to the skies, I did not fly since my divorce |
| 22:38 |
MTDiscord |
<cora> flying planes privately is ridiculously expensive over here |
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MTDiscord |
<APercy> here too |
| 22:38 |
MTDiscord |
<cora> the only option are gliders really unless you're stinking rich |
| 22:39 |
MTDiscord |
<APercy> The problem here that is difficult to find good glider schools |
| 22:39 |
MTDiscord |
<APercy> And, well, I love a tractor propeller at my nose XD |
| 22:39 |
MTDiscord |
<cora> its like you have to renew the license every year or so which means paying instructors lots of money |
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MTDiscord |
<APercy> Now I'm at the age I have to renew every 2 years |
| 22:40 |
MTDiscord |
<cora> and ofc flying itsself isnt cheap either |
| 22:40 |
MTDiscord |
<cora> thats actually not so hard over here ... you just have to put a fair bit of time in usually ... its a bit of a cult lol |
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MisterE[m] |
parasail powered ultralights are pretty cheap to buy and use, i think. |
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