Time Nick Message 05:47 lissobone I had a dream where minetest player's camera view could roll. 05:48 MTDiscord sure you didnt watch c55 video from forever ago? 05:48 MTDiscord or jp's camera pr demo video 06:00 lissobone I didn't. 06:18 lissobone To be honest, apercy's aircrafts are sort of slow. 06:18 lissobone That's why I am making MiG-29. 06:18 lissobone With real speeds. 06:35 MTDiscord But can you fly it through a tunnel 07:17 lissobone I will try. 07:17 lissobone I will also add g-load. 07:17 lissobone And wing failure due to excessive load. 07:19 lissobone I already made a small mod that allows a player to receive damage when pers acceleration exceeds 9g (it doesn't work well, to be honest, because even jumping hurts). 07:19 lissobone Note: "per/pers" is a gender neutral pronoun, an alternative to very ambiguous and confusing "they/them". 07:20 lissobone I insist on using "they/them" only when there are multiple people. 11:46 MTDiscord It's what RMS advocates for at least 11:46 MTDiscord anyways, I don't think you can really implement a MiG-29 "Foxtrot" with Mach almost 3 in Minetest 11:47 MTDiscord Minetest simply is not made for this; Mach 3 means at least 3000 km per hour which is way beyond what you can hope to emerge, generate or load with Minetest 11:48 MTDiscord To make matters even worse, Minetest has no support for CSM-controlled client-side physics, so the lag would make the plane unflyable (except perhaps for singleplayer mode, but even there you'll run into issues) 11:51 lissobone Yes, I agree with RMS, that's why I mentioned those pronouns. 11:52 lissobone What is CSM, by the way? 11:52 lissobone Cutter soil mixing? 11:52 lissobone Controlled Substance Management? 11:52 lissobone I actually know how to implement such physics. 11:54 MTDiscord client side mod 11:54 lissobone Ok, thanks. 11:55 lissobone Once the aircraft takes off (let's assume that I cut the necessary velocities), its vertical acceleration is set to 0, and each global step its velocity vector is calculated based on its yaw, pitch, roll, certain settings (just some aerodynamics) and its current velocity. 11:55 lissobone I can take some code from GNU acm. 12:02 lissobone And I can just divide the necessary variables, so the fighter jet won't fight with the server. 12:03 lissobone Well, maybe it's possible to implement Cessna 172? 13:13 MTDiscord The fighter jet will fight with the server no matter what you do. 13:14 MTDiscord You necessarily have to update velocity based on client input which will have a latency of the round-trip time. 13:53 lissobone So it would take MiG-29 about 2 minutes at top speed to pass through the whole minetest world? 13:54 lissobone Neat. 13:58 lissobone Let me calculate it. 13:59 lissobone No, even faster. 100 seconds. 13:59 lissobone Greetings. 14:16 MTDiscord If the server can load the map that fast - which it can't probably 14:17 MTDiscord Maybe you can ignore ignore hehe 14:27 lissobone You cannot ingnore the Hehe. 17:04 Desour something I've been wondering about some time already: why are the weekdays in irc logs shifted by one day? 17:05 Desour was it always like this? 17:05 Desour i.e. today is friday, but it says T (for thursday) 17:07 MTDiscord might be something to do with that the weekday header begins with sunday while the calendar itself starts with monday 17:11 sfan5 fixed. 17:12 sfan5 Desour: I suspect the perl calendar package might have shifted its weekdays and/or it's locale dependent 17:12 sfan5 the weekday header is hardcoded in the ilbot source 17:13 Desour thx! 17:18 lissobone Maybe not hardcode anything? 17:18 lissobone First check current perl settings, then arrange the weekdays. 17:18 lissobone I think that it is possible. 19:20 MTDiscord Could the commit for minetest game that removed the higher tier hoes be reverted? I am trying to make a farming mafia here 19:22 FavoritoHJS the commit that changed hoes was this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/9c459e77ac943f10c74de3bdd420e07a2b8bb56f 19:22 FavoritoHJS though I suspect a custom mod might be better for your purposes 19:22 MTDiscord :'( 19:24 FavoritoHJS don't worry, the steel hoe now has the durabillity that the diamond hoe once had 19:24 FavoritoHJS and crafting a million stone hoes from stone and sticks is always an option 19:25 MTDiscord Man its gotta feel like an utter waste of time when you mined for hours finally to have Dias to spare to make a how and then it doesn't even work haha 19:25 MTDiscord hoe* 21:05 MTDiscord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/1055954312896970912/image.png 21:06 MTDiscord lovely mandelbrot 21:26 MTDiscord I dream with jet fighters, of course, but the map load will suffer a lot if I make one. So it's why I made my planes very slow at this time 21:35 MTDiscord without roll its only half the fun anyways hehe 21:37 FavoritoHJS hmm, use the mouse for pitch and yaw, keyboard for throttle and roll 21:39 MTDiscord uh how do you make the camera roll in mt though 21:40 MTDiscord you don't 21:41 MTDiscord you need either jp's camera pr, or c55 ancient minetest build 21:41 MTDiscord ah, does his camera pr also implement roll? 21:42 MTDiscord yeah 21:43 MTDiscord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfb31TnOixw in the first 15 seconds 21:44 FavoritoHJS small problem: jp 21:44 MTDiscord huh? 21:44 FavoritoHJS i've seen the drama about i3, and the things he said makes me want to stay well away from him 21:46 MTDiscord considering your the one who has propagated lies against a certain community member, dont really care what you say. sure, they have had some controversy, but be willing to bet you have used some of there contributions without knowning it in the engine and minetest game 21:47 MTDiscord You're welcome to stay away from anyone you want to, but other people won't necessarily, especially if they are doing good work for the community. 21:47 Desour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeTjR5-IabY <- video of c55's plane thing 21:47 MTDiscord Most of us have very little influence over what happens engine-wise anyway. 21:47 MTDiscord thanks desour for finding that 21:49 MTDiscord that video has some wonderful music... oh we're talking about the camera roll 21:50 MTDiscord lol, low key like that videos music as well 21:51 Desour yeah, music can makes videos much more exciting, also here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOktUWaGRfc 21:55 MTDiscord yes! 21:58 MTDiscord I could try some WWI fighters with it first :) 21:58 MTDiscord You still have 5 degrees of freedom so it should be 84% as fun. 21:59 MTDiscord nah roll is one of the best ones 21:59 MTDiscord at least in planes 22:00 MTDiscord As fun as a plane without roll isn't, it's still more fun than a plane that, say, cannot translate along one axis, or has no pitch so you can only taxi along the ground. 22:00 MTDiscord fair 22:01 MTDiscord but i tell you the cool kids all fly without using the rudder (yaw) 22:01 FavoritoHJS > plane that, say, cannot translate along one axis 22:01 FavoritoHJS so a side scrolling flight simulator? 22:01 MTDiscord A side-scrolling flight simulator that has 3 axes of rotation would be pretty weird. 22:03 FavoritoHJS i mean, since one axis would go to the foward/backwards plane that doesn't exist, it's effectively a throttle 22:05 MTDiscord in a plane you can do a lot of things with the throttle 22:05 MTDiscord as a matter of fact people landed planes with only throttle input with all contol surfaces non functional 22:06 Desour cool planes would shoot 1d hyperplanes intersected with the halfspace in front of them 22:06 MTDiscord https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Baghdad_DHL_attempted_shootdown_incident 22:33 MTDiscord exactly! 22:34 MTDiscord Are you pilot too? 22:34 MTDiscord wannabe hehe 22:35 MTDiscord :) do it someday, it was the best thing I did in my life 22:35 MTDiscord my dad was an airplane mechanic 22:35 MTDiscord My dad too 22:35 MTDiscord so i know people and have done a few sim hours 22:35 MTDiscord I'm a brazilian private pilot 22:36 MTDiscord nice 22:37 MTDiscord I'm trying to go back to the skies, I did not fly since my divorce 22:38 MTDiscord flying planes privately is ridiculously expensive over here 22:38 MTDiscord here too 22:38 MTDiscord the only option are gliders really unless you're stinking rich 22:39 MTDiscord The problem here that is difficult to find good glider schools 22:39 MTDiscord And, well, I love a tractor propeller at my nose XD 22:39 MTDiscord its like you have to renew the license every year or so which means paying instructors lots of money 22:40 MTDiscord Now I'm at the age I have to renew every 2 years 22:40 MTDiscord and ofc flying itsself isnt cheap either 22:40 MTDiscord thats actually not so hard over here ... you just have to put a fair bit of time in usually ... its a bit of a cult lol 22:55 MisterE[m] parasail powered ultralights are pretty cheap to buy and use, i think.