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sofar |
If anyone is wondering, I'm aware my server is down atm. Will look at it tomorrow. |
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lissobone |
Guys, I've got 8 genious ideas. |
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lissobone |
I've finally remembered what is the 8th one. |
| 07:29 |
lissobone |
I'll start with the first one. |
| 07:29 |
lissobone |
1. Make a thruster in minetest (currently in process of doing so). |
| 07:33 |
lissobone |
A thruster is the part of a spacecraft that produces thrust by ejecting matter at a fast pace. |
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lissobone |
I know how to implement it, but I need some help. |
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lissobone |
I want the thruster to require propellant in order to function. |
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lissobone |
Wait, I've got an idea. I'll take a look at how technic made their batteries. |
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lissobone |
The epic idea number 2: |
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lissobone |
Create artificial gravity in minetest. |
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lissobone |
I think that I will get kicked for spam if I continue any further. |
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Abdou-31 |
Hi folks! |
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MTDiscord |
<Abdou-31> nice, it's working! |
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MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> hey, could I get a wiki account please? Preferably with username 'olive'. Forum post got no reply (and it says to ask on IRC) https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10473 |
| 11:32 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> I would very much like one too, see topic |
| 11:35 |
Abdou-31 |
I've read that if someone has set an avatar on gravatar.com they don't need to add a profile picture on github, but it doesn't work for me |
| 11:35 |
Abdou-31 |
I use the same email on both websites |
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pjalsDaniel[m] |
iirc you need to set a specific option for that to work |
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Abdou-31 |
on github or on gravatar? |
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Abdou-31 |
changed it manually |
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Abdou-31 |
searched on google how to link github with gravatar but got no good result |
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lissobone |
Just set the same avatar on github. |
| 12:56 |
lissobone |
I've still got the same question. |
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lissobone |
Oh, hi, beanzilla, by the way. |
| 12:56 |
lissobone |
What audio editor should I better use? I want to make an error sound for my new thruster mod. |
| 12:57 |
lissobone |
When there's not enough propellant, it throws an error and refuses to propel the player. |
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rubenwardy |
GoodClover: done |
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lissobone |
Should I just stick with ffmpeg? |
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rubenwardy |
it's Olive as names need to begin with a capital |
| 12:57 |
lissobone |
Minetest wiki account?? |
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lissobone |
Sounds prestige. |
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rubenwardy |
lissobone: I use audacity |
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lissobone |
Well, I was thinking of it. |
| 12:58 |
lissobone |
I'll try it (once again, as I already used it when generating sh***post in 2018). |
| 12:59 |
lissobone |
while*. |
| 12:59 |
rubenwardy |
GoodClover: you should receive two emails, one for each of the wikis |
| 12:59 |
lissobone |
Oh, by the way, I've got a question regarding minetest websites. |
| 13:00 |
lissobone |
So, I've seen a modding guide (like yours, but 3 times smaller) on minetest.org. But there's also minetest.net, which appears to be the actual minetest website. |
| 13:00 |
lissobone |
Well, it doesn't appear to be, it is the website. |
| 13:00 |
lissobone |
And the main page of minetest.org... |
| 13:00 |
lissobone |
It frightens me. |
| 13:00 |
lissobone |
It says "final minetest". What is that? |
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rubenwardy |
minetest .org is a malicious domain, the person was banned for harassment, spam, and other things |
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lissobone |
Yeah, I've noticed the harassment. |
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rubenwardy |
the modding guide is an outdated version of my one |
| 13:01 |
lissobone |
They called celeron55 a rather bad word, mocking his real name. |
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rubenwardy |
Bing banned rubenwardy.com a year ago, and it's only just been readded. So the .org version is a higher result on bing :( |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> ooo wiki account time :D |
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lissobone |
rubenwardy.org appears to redirect to your actual website from which I read your modding book. |
| 13:03 |
rubenwardy |
minetest .org |
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rubenwardy |
I own rubenwardy.org |
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lissobone |
I know. |
| 13:03 |
lissobone |
But minetest.org is the |
| 13:03 |
lissobone |
That website. |
| 13:04 |
lissobone |
I'll just stick with my personal favorite ffmpeg since I've always used it to make sounds for my (few) mods. |
| 13:06 |
lissobone |
Why do they call minetest from the '.net' site 'trolltest'? |
| 13:07 |
lissobone |
I really like how they proclaim that minetest is fading away nowadays because of conflicting goals. |
| 13:07 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> don't get lost in that rabbit hole |
| 13:08 |
lissobone |
My head aches. I'll just continue making the Thruster. |
| 13:08 |
lissobone |
I always had a dream of traversing three-dimensional space without any air resistance and gravity. |
| 13:09 |
lissobone |
I'll have to add special physics overrides for that to work. |
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rubenwardy |
lissobone: detachment from reality |
| 13:10 |
lissobone |
I remember playing some 2d mobile game on my old phone in 2014 about building spacecrafts and then launching them, completing various missions. |
| 13:10 |
lissobone |
But I can't find it anymore. |
| 13:10 |
lissobone |
It was fun. |
| 13:10 |
lissobone |
I even hacked it to get unlimited perks. |
| 13:11 |
lissobone |
Wow, "Most people were anonymous, many were hostile to everybody, and some were mentally ill". |
| 13:11 |
lissobone |
I didn't notice that. |
| 13:12 |
lissobone |
This community is literally the nicest place on the entire internet. |
| 13:12 |
lissobone |
Well, maybe I haven't seen something important yet... |
| 13:12 |
rubenwardy |
the number one most toxic thing that has ever happened to this community is the person that made minetest .org |
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lissobone |
Is it, like, a troll? A giga-prank that has gone wrong? |
| 13:15 |
lissobone |
One of the features they list: "Full integration of 3D Armor and the skins system". WOW! They managed to preinstall skinsdb (or simple skins (or literally anything else that provides skins)) and 3d_armor! Unbelieveable, I'm stunned! |
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rubenwardy |
yeah, final minetest is 0.4 + mods. They forked Minetest but didn't really have any C++ knowledge |
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lissobone |
ohohno my ribs |
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lissobone |
theyhurt |
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lissobone |
Well, I am fine now. |
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lissobone |
I have made the error sound. |
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lissobone |
(This probably was very unnecessary of me). |
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lissobone |
Guys. |
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lissobone |
I have joined some channel ran by oldcoder. |
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lissobone |
I am descending into the rabbit hole (with safety precautions, of course). |
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rubenwardy |
don't poke the bear |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I don't know what "safety precautions" might mean, but I hope you have some idea of what you need to be prepared against in order to be sure that they're adequate for the task. |
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lissobone |
Safety precautions like: |
| 15:12 |
lissobone |
A specil climbing rope. |
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lissobone |
Specil hooks. |
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lissobone |
Specil gas mask (just in case I get bombed with chlorine). |
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lissobone |
Specil hands. |
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lissobone |
Mechanical hands. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If you just had one of those bionic commando arms then you wouldn't need any of that stuff except for the gas mask maybe. |
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lissobone |
No, just mechanical arms. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Every arm is mechanical 😆 |
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lissobone |
With joints, tendons and stuff. |
| 15:14 |
lissobone |
Yeah, like that. |
| 15:14 |
lissobone |
And partially metallic bones. |
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lissobone |
(All bones are partially metallic). |
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lissobone |
Are alkali earths considered metals? |
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lissobone |
The bear doesn't react to active poking. |
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lissobone |
I have seemingly stunned him with [DATA PLUNGED]. |
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lissobone |
Oh no. |
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lissobone |
He is doing an illegal move. |
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lissobone |
Time to utilize the specil safety precautions. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I think when people say "don't poke they bear" they mean "do not speak to, or look directly at the bear, or make any visible movements", not just "be polite" or something. |
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lissobone |
I left and now I feel bad for them. |
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lissobone |
But I won't return. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> There's a lot of bad blood left over from that conflict, and it's best just not to touch any of it or get any on you. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> And to be fair, any community, including this one, can have people who are rude or hostile, and new conflicts can happen if the right circumstances arise again. But at least any future bad blood is not a foregone conclusion, and if we make the right choices we probably have a lot of influence over whether it happens or not. |
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MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> gah, why on Earth does the dev wiki not use the same translation system as the regular one? |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> /shrug why on earth does the regular and dev wiki need to be separate to begin with |
| 15:57 |
MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> or it may just lack it altogether |
| 15:57 |
MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> yeah, unifying them would be great |
| 15:57 |
MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> pretty sure the dev wiki does have translations, but they aren't well used |
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MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> The regular wiki uses some MediaWiki plugin for the bar at the top, the dev one dosen't have that and so has a manual page |
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MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> (which is presently broken) |
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rubenwardy |
the dev wiki doesn't have many pages any more |
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rubenwardy |
would be nice to unify them |
| 16:02 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The dev wiki sort of feels like a thing that shouldn't even exist, and all the information that's on it and isn't already in /doc in the repo should just be merged into there. |
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rubenwardy |
Meetings is useful |
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ROllerozxa |
organisational pages like the meetings page can be on the regular wiki but maybe behind an usergroup lock or something if regular users should be discouraged from editing them |
| 16:06 |
ROllerozxa |
...eh not that it matters considering wiki registrations aren't open to begin with |
| 16:07 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Well, "should either be merged into /doc OR moved to the regular wiki" then might be fair. |
| 16:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Maintaining 2 wikis isn't twice the work as maintaining 1, but it's gotta be at least SOME extra work. |
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lissobone |
Why not just place a message that would tell the user that this wiki is deprecated and soon will probably be merged into the regular wiki? |
| 16:18 |
ROllerozxa |
well I guess there's more amount of work maintaining it for c55, which for us means one will be more broken than the other (code blocks and language selectors and whatnot...) |
| 16:19 |
ROllerozxa |
the dev wiki also has some interesting general engine documentation which for a lack of better place would move to the regular wiki. putting it in doc/ would make it subject to PR review and those take some time... |
| 16:20 |
ROllerozxa |
like, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/12749 which apparently doesn't even have roadmap approval, whatever that means for *pieces of documentation* |
| 16:23 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Honestly we should just make an exception to the PR review requirements (i.e. make it just one core dev approval) when it's specifically documentation that already exists and people are already relying on anyway, merely being moved from one place to another. |
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Guest507 |
hi |
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muurkha |
hi |
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MTDiscord |
<ROllerozxa> hi |
| 16:26 |
Guest507 |
I wrote to the forum for the translation of the wiki page, it is being looked at, right? |
| 16:26 |
Guest507 |
I was told to write to this irc channel |
| 16:33 |
muurkha |
I wonder who would be looking at it |
| 16:33 |
ROllerozxa |
it is being looked at by our highly trained mese powered robots |
| 16:34 |
ROllerozxa |
Warr1024: such a PR review exception could extend to all documentation-only PRs really, only one coredev review required (alternatively a single different coredev, if the author is a coredev themselves) as to speed things up a bit with a drought of active coredevs |
| 16:36 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> ...maybe. It smells a little slippery-slopey. I have to assume we have the standards for a reason, like the risk of somebody introducing incorrect documentation. In the case of just moving docs, I don't think there's a major difference in the expectation of correctness or reliability between the dev wiki and the repo docs, so if we do end up moving something inaccurate or outdated into the repo, it won't be making a bad situation |
| 16:36 |
MTDiscord |
notably worse. |
| 16:39 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Really, the biggest problem might be the fact that core devs are expected to write PRs, but aren't given credit for reviewing PRs. The only core dev that I'm aware of MT having ever actually "fired" was somebody who was trying to focus most of their time on review and approval work, and rarely ever wrote new PRs. |
| 16:40 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The system rewards participants for creating PRs, while discouraging them from actually reviewing them by taking away time that could be spent writing PRs. If I wanted to create a massive pileup of unreviewed PRs, I'd be very hard pressed to come up with another system. |
| 16:40 |
definitelya |
Solution: add high-scores for the most proficient reviewers. |
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definitelya |
kek |
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ROllerozxa |
coredevs getting fired would imply they are employed and getting paid |
| 16:42 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It's really hard to build objective metrics for reviewing effectiveness, since it depends a lot on the quality of the PRs themselves. So somebody could easily just review a bunch of already-good PRs and get a lot of credit for pushing through merges, while somebody who does a lot of work to shepherd a few originally-shoddy PRs to the point where they get merged wouldn't get much credit for that work. |
| 16:44 |
muurkha |
a solution adopted by ZeroMQ was to approve every PR as fast as possible with no review |
| 16:44 |
muurkha |
people would compete to approve PRs faster than other people |
| 16:44 |
muurkha |
once it was merged into master, though, they had to fix it |
| 16:45 |
muurkha |
they explicitly didn't try to keep bad code from getting ito master |
| 16:45 |
muurkha |
*into |
| 16:45 |
muurkha |
they just tried to fix it as fast as possible if it did |
| 16:46 |
MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> Hm, so code maintained like wiki pages? |
| 16:47 |
muurkha |
pretty much |
| 16:47 |
MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> A few older git hosts allow creation of a branch that any user can edit |
| 16:48 |
MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> Avoiding the whole PR process, eventually changes are copied from there to master |
| 16:48 |
ROllerozxa |
agile dev go wheee |
| 16:48 |
ROllerozxa |
...and then crashes into a concrete wall |
| 16:49 |
ROllerozxa |
eh, or maybe not |
| 16:49 |
MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> tinycc uses that exclusively now as the original dev no longer works on it |
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lissobone |
The thruster works. |
| 16:54 |
lissobone |
I just need to add sound effects and usage cost. |
| 16:54 |
lissobone |
And maybe rework the texture. |
| 16:54 |
lissobone |
It looks horrible. |
| 16:54 |
lissobone |
It's like a portal gun, but also laser machine gun from terraria. |
| 17:11 |
lissobone |
I have completely disabled any gravity and deceleration. |
| 17:11 |
lissobone |
Now I just fly like in vacuum. |
| 17:14 |
lissobone |
Oh no. |
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lissobone |
I actually feel nauseous. |
| 17:15 |
lissobone |
I shouldn't associate myself with Sam that much. |
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lissobone |
I even had an idea of cosplaying him (actually possible). |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I've actually changed merge policy a lot over time with NodeCore. Early on I flew a lot by the seat of my pants and added and removed stuff very easily. Now that the project is mature and has an audience actually relying on it, I have to put some care into my changes. I think that's just the natural creep of a project: the agility that it uses early on to gain success ends up causing, through that success, a loss of agility. |
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muurkha |
Warr1024: that can happen |
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MTDiscord |
<freelikegnu> Beta branch it 🙂 |
| 19:41 |
MTDiscord |
<freelikegnu> It would nice if there was a "staging" release of Minetest with less stringent PR merge requirement so that folks could easily try these PRs without having to merge themselves as is done with WINE. |
| 19:42 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Anyone could run one. I used to run one for my own personal use. I would just periodically pull from upstream master and re-cherry-pick some PRs that I liked on top of it. Had a script that didn't require all that much intervention. |
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MTDiscord |
<freelikegnu> Some semi-official status of a Staging release could encouage submitters to rebase as master progresses |
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MTDiscord |
<freelikegnu> too many PRs just wither from having to rebase over the long approval process |
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MTDiscord |
<freelikegnu> Semi-official meaning having a download link on the Minetest download page |
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MTDiscord |
<freelikegnu> Maybe a catchy name like Minetesting |
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MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> Call it Minerelease, just to confuse people |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Looks kinda like Mineral-ease, which would be a decent name for a mineral-oil-based laxative. |
| 20:21 |
Pexin |
looks like 2 people pulling on something fighting over it. mine! release! |
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MTDiscord |
<GoodClover> pulling & fighting over something? you mean a pull request? |
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<freelikegnu> Mesemess |
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<freelikegnu> I like to say Minetest is pronounced like Minet-est as if "she is a playful cat" |
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MTDiscord |
<freelikegnu> or being the most Minet game |
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definitelya |
Minet and and the Aristo... tests? |
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Desour |
so many good alternative names for minetest, but without "test" |
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sfan5 |
mesetint |
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Desour |
5.0.0 would've been the perfect time to rename to minerelease |
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Pexin |
tru |
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Desour |
2 more suggestions: minetset (easier to type for me apparently), meintest (anagram) |
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Pexin |
YourMese |
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Desour |
meinmese |
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Pexin |
as in YOU make game u want |
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Pexin |
yourmine |
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Pexin |
kek |
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Desour |
meinemine |
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definitelya |
wtftest |
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definitelya |
u may have 1 vowel. |
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Desour |
the f in wtf is unpopular in schools and other circles |
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Pexin |
i pick one w umlauts |
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definitelya |
Of course, it would stand for "what the fork"! |
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definitelya |
*grins* |
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Desour |
or "want to fork" |
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Desour |
wtfthis |
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Pexin |
in all srs, YourVox |
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definitelya |
jkjk... unless? |
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rubenwardy |
mineprod |
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definitelya |
Ok I need slep. |
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Desour |
vöxel |
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Pexin |
voxbox |
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Desour |
rubenwardy: what's prod? |
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rubenwardy |
production |
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Pexin |
test -> production |
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rubenwardy |
you often have test and prod environments |
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definitelya |
Alien prodding is not allowed by celeron, I think. |
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Pexin |
while back i looked up what would be the gernan fot "tunnelbuilder" but do not memory |
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Desour |
!tell definitelya ^ citation needed |
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MinetestBot |
Desour: I'll pass that on when definitelya is around |
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Desour |
tunnelbauer |
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MinetestBot |
definitelya: Oct-19 21:17 UTC <Desour> ^ citation needed |
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Desour |
oh, MinetestBot you're doing your job today? |
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MTDiscord |
<freelikegnu> So many of these names would be great for release version names. Peppy Prodtest, Ticklish Tunnelbauer, Mocking Minerelease |
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