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Parnikkapore_m |
diceLibrarian: The number of times I had to reinstall my DE to resolve a dependency issue is... scary |
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Parnikkapore_m |
They're all due to a PPA messing with system packages though |
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MTDiscord |
<diceLibrarian> Reject debian return to unix |
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Parnikkapore_m |
<del>FreeBSD?</del> |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> your matrix hacks have no power here |
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wsor |
or here |
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wsor40351 |
but only do here, still a hack tho |
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Noisytoot |
Debian does not have PPAs, they're an Ubuntu thing. |
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Unit193 |
You can still add sketchy repos though, deb-multimedia and getdeb used to be a couple. |
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rubenwardy |
@FatalError: it's probably going to be a software engineer wage. Depends on the country of origin and work time, but at least a few thousand |
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rubenwardy |
for a senior in the UK you're looking at around $6000 |
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rubenwardy |
for a month |
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rubenwardy |
but it depends on the seniority, the amount of work, their country of origin, their experience with the project, and their good will |
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muurkha |
as I understand it software engineer salaries in Silicon Valley start around US$12000 per month |
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muurkha |
but maybe I've been misled |
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schwarzwald[m] |
good will? |
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rubenwardy |
Silicon valley is very very expensive though |
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rubenwardy |
I was using a UK average number |
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muurkha |
yet mysteriously companies keep hiring expensive people there |
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muurkha |
or do you mean to live? yeah, my friends tell me that in some cases they're paying US$3000 a month for their part of an apartment |
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rubenwardy |
I mean to hire |
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rubenwardy |
It's expensive and people pay well because it's where all the companies and engineers are |
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rubenwardy |
it's like how a lot of the movie industry is in LA and NY |
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muurkha |
yeah. another friend of mine tried to make a movie here in Argentina in part because it was cheaper |
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rubenwardy |
If I were hiring for a remote job, I'd probably avoid Silicon Valley |
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muurkha |
he did get the movie made but it kind of flopped |
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muurkha |
because it wasn't very good |
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muurkha |
in part because he had to deal with a labor strike in the middle of production and also his staff getting robbed at gunpoint, bound, and gagged |
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muurkha |
one guy got stabbed during the robbery, a little |
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muurkha |
he was wearing the T-shirt with the stab cut in the shoulder the next time I saw hime |
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muurkha |
*im |
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muurkha |
ugh. *him |
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rubenwardy |
jesus |
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schwarzwald[m] |
I guess there's a reason it's cheaper in Argentina. |
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rubenwardy |
schwarzwald[m]: good will is the wrong term, I meant their willingness to go for a lower salary because it's Minetest - whether they like the community, just want the opportunity to work on it, or they want to support FOSS |
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rubenwardy |
like how people accept lower salaries in game dev and charities |
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muurkha |
yeah |
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schwarzwald[m] |
Ahh gotcha. |
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schwarzwald[m] |
If he fixes bugs as part of the project does he get paid extra? ? |
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rubenwardy |
I really like game dev, but I didn't go into it as the salaries are lower and the working conditions are worse |
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muurkha |
by the same token there are probably a lot of people someone might especially want to hire who happen to live in Silicon Valley by accidents of history |
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muurkha |
yeah, that's how I feel about hardware engineering, rubenwardy |
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schwarzwald[m] |
Is there a lot of competition for hardware engineering labor? |
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muurkha |
kind of, but not in the way there is for software engineering |
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muurkha |
because you can hack together a website prototype this weekend and bring it live |
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schwarzwald[m] |
And you can hack together a new microchip this weekend and watch it either do nothing or start on fire? |
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muurkha |
whereas for any kind of dinky toy hardware device you need a million dollar budget and 18 months. or you did five years ago, that's shrinking a bit now |
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rubenwardy |
I've been learning electronics and it's super super painful |
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rubenwardy |
I miss control+z |
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muurkha |
hacking together a new microchip requires waiting for the next MOSIS shuttle run in the appropriate technology node, probably six months from now |
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muurkha |
at which point you find you've spend US$3000 or US$30000 to get 20 chips that don't work at all except for clock distribution or something |
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rubenwardy |
I've been making an IoT safe. I've 4 different versions of the stripboard with the screen and buttons on it, because I missed up 3 |
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schwarzwald[m] |
:) |
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schwarzwald[m] |
I saw your page about your IoT plant pot ruben, that was pretty cool. |
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muurkha |
to design the chip you need to sign 53 NDAs for the foundry's cell libraries and get a license for some US$100k per seat EDA software |
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muurkha |
rubenwardy: screen and buttons sounds sufficiently undemanding that you could have just used a solderless breadboard for the first 3 |
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rubenwardy |
I did a solderless breadboard prototype |
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rubenwardy |
these boards were meant to be the final thing but I kept breaking them :D |
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muurkha |
heh |
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rubenwardy |
my soldering iron also broke on the 2nd one - it got roughly 200'c hotter than it should have been. So got a new one, that made things so much easier to do |
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muurkha |
often an X-Acto knife and some bodge wires are sufficient to fix that |
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muurkha |
heh |
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muurkha |
mine is too cheap to do that |
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rubenwardy |
my old soldering iron was free from a friend, I see what they got a new one |
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muurkha |
well. actually I did have that happen with a cheap soldering iron once |
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muurkha |
but it didn't actually break, it just glowed orange |
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muurkha |
because I was running it on 240V when it was designed for 120V |
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muurkha |
worked fine as long as I didn't leave it plugged in too long |
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rubenwardy |
Normally I use female headers and sockets so I can replace most components. But I needed it to be flatter to not take up too much space. The first 2 I broke when trying to desolder the screen with a crappy soldering iron. The most recent one I broke by knocking it off the table, I was able to desolder it without breaking the board luckily |
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muurkha |
good thing you didn't break the screen |
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rubenwardy |
oh I broke the screen when knocking off the table, that's why I had to desolder |
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rubenwardy |
I always buy extra components |
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rubenwardy |
much to my drawers' dismay |
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rubenwardy |
but hey, I'm faster and better and soldering now |
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rubenwardy |
*at |
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[git] savilli -> minetest/minetest: Fix and enable x86 build for Android (#12700) 75d88dc https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/75d88dcae233757d9567c971227b33b0168b5254 (2022-08-25T21:48:49Z) |
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