Time Nick Message 02:42 Parnikkapore_m diceLibrarian: The number of times I had to reinstall my DE to resolve a dependency issue is... scary 02:43 Parnikkapore_m They're all due to a PPA messing with system packages though 02:44 MTDiscord Reject debian return to unix 02:46 Parnikkapore_m FreeBSD? 02:49 MTDiscord your matrix hacks have no power here 02:49 wsor or here 02:50 wsor40351 but only do here, still a hack tho 03:33 Noisytoot Debian does not have PPAs, they're an Ubuntu thing. 03:40 Unit193 You can still add sketchy repos though, deb-multimedia and getdeb used to be a couple. 13:15 rubenwardy @FatalError: it's probably going to be a software engineer wage. Depends on the country of origin and work time, but at least a few thousand 13:17 rubenwardy for a senior in the UK you're looking at around $6000 13:17 rubenwardy for a month 13:18 rubenwardy but it depends on the seniority, the amount of work, their country of origin, their experience with the project, and their good will 13:18 muurkha as I understand it software engineer salaries in Silicon Valley start around US$12000 per month 13:18 muurkha but maybe I've been misled 13:18 schwarzwald[m] good will? 13:18 rubenwardy Silicon valley is very very expensive though 13:18 rubenwardy I was using a UK average number 13:19 muurkha yet mysteriously companies keep hiring expensive people there 13:19 muurkha or do you mean to live? yeah, my friends tell me that in some cases they're paying US$3000 a month for their part of an apartment 13:19 rubenwardy I mean to hire 13:20 rubenwardy It's expensive and people pay well because it's where all the companies and engineers are 13:20 rubenwardy it's like how a lot of the movie industry is in LA and NY 13:20 muurkha yeah. another friend of mine tried to make a movie here in Argentina in part because it was cheaper 13:20 rubenwardy If I were hiring for a remote job, I'd probably avoid Silicon Valley 13:20 muurkha he did get the movie made but it kind of flopped 13:21 muurkha because it wasn't very good 13:21 muurkha in part because he had to deal with a labor strike in the middle of production and also his staff getting robbed at gunpoint, bound, and gagged 13:21 muurkha one guy got stabbed during the robbery, a little 13:22 muurkha he was wearing the T-shirt with the stab cut in the shoulder the next time I saw hime 13:22 muurkha *im 13:22 muurkha ugh. *him 13:22 rubenwardy jesus 13:22 schwarzwald[m] I guess there's a reason it's cheaper in Argentina. 13:23 rubenwardy schwarzwald[m]: good will is the wrong term, I meant their willingness to go for a lower salary because it's Minetest - whether they like the community, just want the opportunity to work on it, or they want to support FOSS 13:23 rubenwardy like how people accept lower salaries in game dev and charities 13:23 muurkha yeah 13:23 schwarzwald[m] Ahh gotcha. 13:24 schwarzwald[m] If he fixes bugs as part of the project does he get paid extra? ? 13:24 rubenwardy I really like game dev, but I didn't go into it as the salaries are lower and the working conditions are worse 13:24 muurkha by the same token there are probably a lot of people someone might especially want to hire who happen to live in Silicon Valley by accidents of history 13:25 muurkha yeah, that's how I feel about hardware engineering, rubenwardy 13:25 schwarzwald[m] Is there a lot of competition for hardware engineering labor? 13:26 muurkha kind of, but not in the way there is for software engineering 13:26 muurkha because you can hack together a website prototype this weekend and bring it live 13:27 schwarzwald[m] And you can hack together a new microchip this weekend and watch it either do nothing or start on fire? 13:27 muurkha whereas for any kind of dinky toy hardware device you need a million dollar budget and 18 months. or you did five years ago, that's shrinking a bit now 13:27 rubenwardy I've been learning electronics and it's super super painful 13:27 rubenwardy I miss control+z 13:28 muurkha hacking together a new microchip requires waiting for the next MOSIS shuttle run in the appropriate technology node, probably six months from now 13:28 muurkha at which point you find you've spend US$3000 or US$30000 to get 20 chips that don't work at all except for clock distribution or something 13:28 rubenwardy I've been making an IoT safe. I've 4 different versions of the stripboard with the screen and buttons on it, because I missed up 3 13:28 schwarzwald[m] :) 13:29 schwarzwald[m] I saw your page about your IoT plant pot ruben, that was pretty cool. 13:29 muurkha to design the chip you need to sign 53 NDAs for the foundry's cell libraries and get a license for some US$100k per seat EDA software 13:29 muurkha rubenwardy: screen and buttons sounds sufficiently undemanding that you could have just used a solderless breadboard for the first 3 13:30 rubenwardy I did a solderless breadboard prototype 13:32 rubenwardy these boards were meant to be the final thing but I kept breaking them :D 13:33 muurkha heh 13:33 rubenwardy my soldering iron also broke on the 2nd one - it got roughly 200'c hotter than it should have been. So got a new one, that made things so much easier to do 13:33 muurkha often an X-Acto knife and some bodge wires are sufficient to fix that 13:33 muurkha heh 13:33 muurkha mine is too cheap to do that 13:34 rubenwardy my old soldering iron was free from a friend, I see what they got a new one 13:34 muurkha well. actually I did have that happen with a cheap soldering iron once 13:34 muurkha but it didn't actually break, it just glowed orange 13:34 muurkha because I was running it on 240V when it was designed for 120V 13:34 muurkha worked fine as long as I didn't leave it plugged in too long 13:34 rubenwardy Normally I use female headers and sockets so I can replace most components. But I needed it to be flatter to not take up too much space. The first 2 I broke when trying to desolder the screen with a crappy soldering iron. The most recent one I broke by knocking it off the table, I was able to desolder it without breaking the board luckily 13:36 muurkha good thing you didn't break the screen 13:37 rubenwardy oh I broke the screen when knocking off the table, that's why I had to desolder 13:37 rubenwardy I always buy extra components 13:37 rubenwardy much to my drawers' dismay 13:45 rubenwardy but hey, I'm faster and better and soldering now 13:45 rubenwardy *at 21:49 MinetestBot 02[git] 04savilli -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix and enable x86 build for Android (#12700) 1375d88dc https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/75d88dcae233757d9567c971227b33b0168b5254 (152022-08-25T21:48:49Z)