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erle |
i have realized dealing with minetest development may be bad for my mental health. the reason is not because my recent contribution <https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/12592> is not welcome – but rather because i have reflected upon earlier behaviour of a-certain-coredev-that-does-not-want-to-be-highlighted towards me and others: denying that bugs even exist, suggesting workarounds that make things work or do not work, no |
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erle |
t even trying to understand some things yet having some strong opinions, trying to block others from contributing useful things. i suspect that this behaviour is either intended to drive away casual contributors (see: “management by perkele”) or that it is as side effect of toxic brogrammer culture (e.g. “if you can deliver results, you are allowed to be a dick”). i do not think that it is worth to try changin |
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erle |
g this: projects like systemd and suckless (“make unix great again” with all of the implications) have proven that it is possible to deliver software even if the developers tolerate arrogant jerk behaviour. but if any of my friends acted like the-coredev-who-must-not-be-over to literally anyone and kept doing that after being called out, i would end the friendship on short notice. |
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erle |
i am not the only one having such an opinion. as far as i am aware, others have done so, some months or even several years back. i have seen these kind of complaints being dismissed multiple times. this is not good. if anyone has a list of viable forks (not multicraft) that do not tolerate insults or devs having opnions without even interested in learning about a topic, please contact me in a query. |
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ball |
Does every world have a giant's castle in it? |
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ball |
...or did I just get lucky? |
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Freeza |
I created a fork of minetest game aand was running on v 5.6.0 but it gives an error message saying that my engine's version is old for the game. What should I do now |
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MinetestBot |
[git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest: Fix some warnings (#12615) a871115 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/a8711158896d993e23d823f41ab086c3915c7d4e (2022-07-30T11:51:23Z) |
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copolymer__ |
I am trying to get a mod to interact with script on my system (to control my keyboard rgb). Is there a way to do an `os.execute()` in a (Client-Side?) mod? |
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rubenwardy |
Good video about Minetest from a Minecraft youtuber with 3.3M subs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6Fyav6FiIs |
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rubenwardy |
AntVenom - This is NOT Minecraft... ?! |
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sfan5 |
looks like the game jam was the best idea ever |
| 16:47 |
Krock |
cannot find your "obligatory" post |
| 16:48 |
Krock |
also yes, the game jam was really great. nowhere comparable to the stalled CTW |
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Krock |
1:46 oh hello that's me |
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Krock |
copolymer__: client mods do not have access to dangerous API such as `os.*` to my knowledge |
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rubenwardy |
yeah game jam was awesome |
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rubenwardy |
we're doing it again this year |
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Krock |
server-side mods do have a mod security system which prevent by default from ill-intentioned code |
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copolymer__ |
I did figure out that I can disabke mod security, but can I require os in an `request_insecure`emvironment`? |
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Krock |
not documented in client_lua_api.txt, so that's a no. |
| 17:03 |
Krock |
there's neither a setting for client-side mods in minetest.conf to allow that |
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copolymer__ |
in a regular mod? |
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rubenwardy |
Krock: they basically cut me out :( |
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Krock |
regular server-side mods can use os.execute if they're trusted and request the insecure env, yes. however the execute part will only be run on the server and not client |
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Krock |
if you're using singleplayer anyway, that would work. |
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Krock |
rubenwardy: file a complaint :P |
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copolymer__ |
Yeah, that's what I want, this is just for a singleplayer world :P |
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rubenwardy |
oh wait, I'm half on the screen twice |
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Krock |
copolymer__: yes, then add the mod to the trusted mods setting and request the insecure env. that'll work just fine. although for user experience it's not that convenient |
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Krock |
rubenwardy: 7:25 |
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Krock |
you have a few seconds of screentime |
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rubenwardy |
CERN used the video clip I told them not to use, as I misunderstood the question. So I'm glad they didn't use the clip of me talking, and used Jeija instead |
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copolymer__ |
can i `require` a lib in an insecure environment |
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rubenwardy |
yes. The IRC mod does that |
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rubenwardy |
to load luacsockets |
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rubenwardy |
only server-side though |
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rubenwardy |
you can't get an insecure env on the client |
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rubenwardy |
Kinda wish we had the new main menu already |
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Krock |
copolymer__: it'll be insecureenv.require() but you get the idea |
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Krock |
rubenwardy: unpacks a whip shakes whip nervously |
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copolymer__ |
Yep, I just figured that out, thanks, guys :) |
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rubenwardy |
when I think about remaking the main menu, I get mild burn out symptoms |
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copolymer__ |
also, minetest.org is worrisome, search engines display it's version of the modding book, rather than ruben's :/ |
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rubenwardy |
yeah I've complained to Bing about that but they've not resolved it |
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rubenwardy |
Bing have blacklisted rubenwardy.com for some unknown reason |
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copolymer__ |
That's a bit annoying, especially since ddg gets its results from bing |
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rubenwardy |
yeah |
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rubenwardy |
It's been two months since I opened the support ticket |
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copolymer__ |
that sucks :/ |
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copolymer__ |
I hope it gets resolved soon |
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kilbith |
man my mods download counters are increasing pretty quick on CDB |
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kilbith |
wth is going on |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> kilbith: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=g6Fyav6FiIs&feature=emb_logo |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> That is going on |
| 18:30 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> It has 8.2 k likes and rising. We are about to test the integrity of minetest infrastructure XD |
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rubenwardy |
https://monitor.rubenwardy.com/d/3ELzFy3Wz/contentdb?orgId=1&kiosk=tv&from=now-24h&to=now |
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kilbith |
3.3M followers |
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kilbith |
ok yes that explain it |
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Krock |
goes brrrrrt |
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kilbith |
I do hope CDB can take the charge |
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Krock |
it's going to be a rather short peak though |
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definitelya_ |
MisterE[m]: So true lol |
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FreeFull |
Yeah, AntVenom is pretty popular |
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kilbith |
I'd make a business out of _physical_ Minetest modding book from now on |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> huh that might be pretty useful if it was detailed enought |
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FreeFull |
Unfortunately the popularity spike won't last |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> IDK, it could snowball with other youtubers creating vids |
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rubenwardy |
kilbith: I've had a print Minetest modding book as WIP for 5 years now, should probably finish it |
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kilbith |
the only thing I feel ashamed about in this video is the mainmenu |
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rubenwardy |
yeah |
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schwarzwald[m] |
Maybe I would see more what he's talking about if the high-level design of Minetest and its algorithm were actually documented somewhere. |
| 18:37 |
schwarzwald[m] |
s/algorithm/algorithms/ |
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schwarzwald[m] |
I'm not convinced at all that Minetest devs are doing a better job than Minecraft devs. Not enough information available to me to make a fair comparison, and I doubt that guy has that information available to him either. |
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Yad |
Where are we at with regard to "voxel area entities" these days? Is it possible to make a moving object (e.g. a vehicle such as a cruise ship) which moves but is itself made of nodes? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> you can do node like entities batched tovether |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> *together |
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Yad |
Jonathon: Sounds good, is there any documentation I can study to brush up on how to do this? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> lua api |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> see ivae for mod library |
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rubenwardy |
https://github.com/greenxenith/lvae |
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Yad |
Ahhh, I thought that had to be a typo, thanks rubenwardy :D |
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rubenwardy |
well, it's L not I |
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rubenwardy |
for lua |
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freshreplicant[m |
Are there any implemented vehicles with these area entities? |
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Krock |
area what? |
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freshreplicant[m |
Lua voxel area entities. I didn't want to type the whole thing. The mod that Ruben linked. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> no one has really used that library to make anything public |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> there is stus old abandoned mesh gen thing as well |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> similar ish |
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freshreplicant[m |
I remember being on this Minecraft server years ago where you could build airships. |
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freshreplicant[m |
It was pretty janky, but still cool. |
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MTDiscord |
<!~ ? Λtlantλs~!> I wonder what Minetest could do with $400 million a year |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> alot |
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rubenwardy |
that's an insane amount really |
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rubenwardy |
that could hire 4,400 mid-level programmers in the US, which is not a cheap country |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> why, you offering? ? |
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MTDiscord |
<!~ ? Λtlantλs~!> I saw the video, I didn't think Microsoft was putting so much money into Minecraft ? |
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Krock |
90% customer support, 10% development at most |
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rubenwardy |
yeah, a lot of that will probably be support for education edition |
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MTDiscord |
<!~ ? Λtlantλs~!> oh okk x) |
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sfan5 |
rubenwardy: we had the same idea about linking the other thread |
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sfan5 |
feel free to delete mine |
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rubenwardy |
I thought it would be a good idea to focus conversation rather than fragmenting it. I would have merged the topics but I think it's better for the person to write their own reply |
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skunky3 |
hey, are there any known autocompletion plugins for vim/neovim that work with minetests built in functions? |
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skunky3 |
ive been trying to find one for quite a while, but to no awail |
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sfan5 |
you can probably take a lua completion plugin and get the Minetest definitions in there |
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sfan5 |
IIRC someone had done it for notepad++ on the forums |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> I wrote an extension for VSCode that you might be able to take from (https://github.com/GreenXenith/minetest-tools) |
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sfan5 |
oh that's exactly what I would have needed last month |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> :] |
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sfan5 |
I think a crowd-sourced machine readable function definition table would be beneficial |
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sfan5 |
can be largely automated tho with some tricks |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> part of the goal for minetest-docs is to use a format that exports to an easy to parse format |
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Yad |
rubenwardy: Well this is interesting... LVAE seems to be in an error state before I've even tried to call it? (I'm probably missing something basic) https://pastebin.com/RFAsKa5V |
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rubenwardy |
@GreenXenith your mod is broken on 5.5, missing dynamic_add_media callback |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> that is so vague |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down |
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rubenwardy |
dynamic_add_media now requires a callback to be passed to it. The mod is LVAE |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Ah, missed the pastebin |
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rubenwardy |
(it was deprecated in 5.4 and errored in 5.5) |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> give me a minute |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> all I need is a blank func yeah? |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Yad: Should be fixed |
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Yad |
Oh hey, GreenXenith, thak you for all that you do! |
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Yad |
It's fun to meet my Lua heroes in here :D |
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Yad |
Oh hahha, you didn't see my PasteBin link? xD |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Glad you enjoy my work :] Let me know if the fix doesnt work |
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Yad |
GreenXenith: Yes that appears to have fixed compatibility with my Minetest 5.5.0 — thank you! — open-source development for the win :D |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Wonderful! |
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Yad |
And thank you rubenwardy for interpreting my error message :-) |
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rubenwardy |
<3 |
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Yad |
^^v |
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wallabra |
It'd be nice to have a separation between display name and registered name. |
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