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fluxionary |
possibly this is the worst time of the week to solicit input, but for anyone who uses moreblocks, i'd appreciate input on what's brewing: https://github.com/minetest-mods/moreblocks/pull/191 |
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snowmansoup |
hello |
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snowmansoup |
i have a question which may seem dumb to a few but im basing it on something i inferred from a minetest wiki.... any help very welcome |
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snowmansoup |
my boss wants to mitigate lag and looking at profiler - pipeworks is a huge resource hog. based on what i think i understand from the globalstep wiki - can the step be changed for local use - so as to slow that mod down? |
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fluxionary |
snowmansoup: your boss? |
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snowmansoup |
well the server owner for whom i volunteer |
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fluxionary |
ok got it :) |
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snowmansoup |
:) |
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fluxionary |
i also volunteer in a similar capacity |
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snowmansoup |
cool! |
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fluxionary |
pipeworks is pretty terrible for lag, but it's the most popular "pipes" mod |
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fluxionary |
if the server isn't incredibly established, i'd recommend looking at tubelib/techpack as an alternative |
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snowmansoup |
ik its great but its kinda gettin on top of things rn |
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snowmansoup |
its 4yo sadly |
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fluxionary |
if it is, not much i can say, except to locate lag-generating machines and ask players to do something differently |
| 02:37 |
fluxionary |
i worked on a mod that helps mitigate lag generated by mesecons, and am working on a way to make that a general lag reducing mechanism, but i couldn't even say when that'll be ready |
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snowmansoup |
good advice. im still wondering about this whole thing of "usually" being used in the minetest globalstep wiki tho. suggests to me that dtime can be set to something other than 0,05s and therefore reduced locally - but like i said - i feel kinda dumb on this so... XD |
| 02:38 |
fluxionary |
increating the globalstep helps w/ lag more than decreasing it, in my experience |
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fluxionary |
i'd suggest 0.2 (or 0.18) |
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snowmansoup |
aww that sounds awesome fluxionary - i will look out for it |
| 02:39 |
fluxionary |
also, reducing the ABM range to 1 |
| 02:39 |
fluxionary |
(so that a single player can only keep 27 mapblocks active at once) |
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snowmansoup |
ohhhh...... i wouldnt have thought of it like that but looking at profiler printouts that makes sense |
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fluxionary |
that will break some machines, but that can be mitigated w/ "alt" accounts, or by redesigning machines. 27 mapblocks is more than enough volume for almost anything |
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snowmansoup |
hmm so changing globalstep locally? |
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snowmansoup |
sorry |
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fluxionary |
there's no "change globalstep locally" |
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fluxionary |
well, maybe i'll have a mod that'll allow for that by the end of the year, but there's a lot of stuff i'm working on, no promises |
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snowmansoup |
really sorry - so how to change? in luaentity.lua? |
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fluxionary |
how to change... the globalstep? a config option |
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snowmansoup |
minetest.conf? |
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fluxionary |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/35ad006234ce40edc4c59feee63fb1546f643508/builtin/settingtypes.txt#L1331-L1333 |
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snowmansoup |
thankyou very much :) |
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fluxionary |
active block range: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/35ad006234ce40edc4c59feee63fb1546f643508/builtin/settingtypes.txt#L1224-L1229 |
| 02:43 |
fluxionary |
decreasing active_object_send_range can also help a lot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/35ad006234ce40edc4c59feee63fb1546f643508/builtin/settingtypes.txt#L1217-L1222 |
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fluxionary |
but that'll e.g. make it so that mobs like sheep and stuff won't be visible in the distance |
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snowmansoup |
ah i think we can live with that lol |
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snowmansoup |
really sorry to be a pest but what do i change in settingstypes? i opened up my own file so maybe i need to add a line |
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fluxionary |
if you want to see the values i used to tune the blocky survival server a couple years ago, they're here https://github.com/BlockySurvival/bls_mods/blob/74a72d89c0be787d10f4310a2e6c1b479a647e31/minetest.conf#L42-L59 |
| 02:45 |
fluxionary |
snowmansoup, you want to edit minetest.conf |
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fluxionary |
snowmansoup, the actual location of "minetest.conf" for your server can vary wildly, but your admin probably knows |
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snowmansoup |
oh yes i mentioned that b4 - hold on i look |
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fluxionary |
i recommend reviewing *all* possible options and investigating whether anything that sounds interesting actually has an effect |
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snowmansoup |
i think maybe i need to add a line then to minetest. conf? |
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fluxionary |
snowmansoup, that is likely |
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fluxionary |
snowmansoup, it's a good idea to check that there's only one definition of each configuration option |
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fluxionary |
if it's a large file, it's useful to break it up into sections for related configuration stuff |
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snowmansoup |
sorry - i kinda know my way around a few bits of the API but 1) its been a while and 2) this is new to me XD |
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fluxionary |
no problem :) |
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fluxionary |
what server is this? no problem if it's not a public server |
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snowmansoup |
do u happen to know what i need to add..? im looking at the github minetest.conf.example rn to see what but idk what im looking for |
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fluxionary |
snowmansoup, it depends what you want to add |
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snowmansoup |
to alter the step? |
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fluxionary |
i like https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/settingtypes.txt better than the minetest.conf.example |
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fluxionary |
oh, dedicated_server_step |
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snowmansoup |
ah i will search ur link for that! thankyou! |
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WhiskeyPotato |
hi everyone |
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snowmansoup |
haha hi Whiskey! |
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WhiskeyPotato |
Sup soup |
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Pexin |
snowmansoup: definitely disable teleport tubes |
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snowmansoup |
all good whiskey thanks and you? |
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WhiskeyPotato |
lagging hard lol |
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snowmansoup |
Pexin thats a good idea - thankyou |
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WhiskeyPotato |
Ok so looking through the code of pipeworks and referencing the profiler output, the major lag is coming from the globalstep[1] of pipeworks which im assuming is from the luaentities.lua since it's called first (of the .lua files with a register_on_globalstep) in the dofile list in init.lua |
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snowmansoup |
ive forgotten how to PM somebody in IRC XD |
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snowmansoup |
oh wait i can do it lol |
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WhiskeyPotato |
ok just just to verify, reducing active block range to 1 will make any large machines basically non functional correct? |
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snowmansoup |
large i think yes. needn't necessarily be 1 ig. i think that was an example but idk. wouldnt that affecta lot of other things too? |
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snowmansoup |
active blocks... i mean should be the reach of a standard tool imo |
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snowmansoup |
8ish blocks? |
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WhiskeyPotato |
its 2 right now |
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snowmansoup |
ooh |
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WhiskeyPotato |
and thats not cutting it. |
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snowmansoup |
ok maybe im wrong then lol |
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snowmansoup |
letstry 1 |
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snowmansoup |
diff of 2 and 1 surely wont make too much difference... |
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snowmansoup |
tbh im feeling dumber by the minute XD |
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snowmansoup |
lemme know what u think of what i said in DM please!!! |
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independent56 |
What servers put their map.sqlite and other world files public? |
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independent56 |
I do, at 56i.duckdns.org/world. I just want to be able to be an admin in a local copy of other rail networks so i can see how they're built and what i can take. |
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independent56 |
Is it possible to suck mods from a server from the client? Like when you connect, mod content has to be transferred over. Is it possible to suck an entire mod from a server into the client's computer? |
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sfan5 |
the visual parts sure |
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sfan5 |
but what makes a mod is the functionality |
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independent56 |
Hmm, makes sense |
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independent56 |
Is there a way to in-game change the FOV of a caemra view? |
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Warr1024 |
independent56: https://nodecore.mine.nu/world/ |
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Warr1024 |
Also, you're missing a LICENSE file :-) |
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independent56 |
Ohh, cool |
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independent56 |
Thanks for the head's up. |
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independent56 |
*heads-up |
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independent56 |
I'll do some extreme google filtering looking for world.mt with enable_mod_advtrains = true or something |
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independent56 |
I actually used a similar approach to find exposed database configurations and then email the webmasters of the vulnrability |
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independent56 |
It should be up there at next 02:00 |
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independent56 |
Thank god for crontab |
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independent56 |
* Thank AT&T Bell Laboratories for Crontab |
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tech_exorcist |
hello, i'm running minetest 5.3.0 from debian's repos, is it possible to change the directory in which minetest looks for worlds? |
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tech_exorcist |
--go --world <path> ends up in a connection timeout |
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rubenwardy |
try map-dir |
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rubenwardy |
it's a setting |
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rubenwardy |
idk if it still works |
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rubenwardy |
alternatively, you could symlink |
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rubenwardy |
also 5.3.0 is ancient, 2+ years old by now. I'd recommend updating to 5.5 |
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tech_exorcist |
ill symlink |
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tech_exorcist |
i know |
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tech_exorcist |
it's because i found an old installation (5.2.0) in an ssd i have, and i cloned that ssd to my computer |
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tech_exorcist |
the symlink trick worked, thanks |
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tech_exorcist |
i did think about it, but for some reason i only thought about doing on the entire worlds/ directory and not just on the one of the world i wanted to load |
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tech_exorcist |
also im very glad i found this world in particular, i didnt even know i still had it |
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tech_exorcist |
thanks :) |
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independent56 |
How can i access an object in a table from a string in a variable? |
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independent56 |
Like place = "" at the top, and then somewhere else we have print(table.place), going to the location specified in the string? |
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rubenwardy |
table[place] |
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giov4[m] |
does anyone know how to make a player look towards another player? I've seen the set_look_vertical/horizontal functions but I'm not that good with rotation and vectors math ? |
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rubenwardy |
https://gitlab.com/rubenwardy/classroom/-/blob/master/actions.lua#L17 |
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rubenwardy |
target is a position to look at |
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giov4[m] |
<independent56> "Like place = "" at the top..." <- if you need to convert a string back to a position you need to use `minetest.string_to_pos(string)` |
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independent56 |
Thanks |
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independent56 |
Just needed basic lua knowledge |
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giov4[m] |
rubenwardy: oh thanks, but how do I set the vertical position too? |
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rubenwardy |
probably the same but with delta.y and sqrt(delta.x*delta.x + delta.z*delta.z) |
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giov4[m] |
hm, how should I use this value? |
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rubenwardy |
my guess is it's `player:set_look_vertical(math.atan2(delta.y, math.sqrt(delta.x*delta.x + delta.z*delta.z)) - math.pi / 2)` |
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rubenwardy |
the reason for the sqrt bit is to get the horizontal distance independent of X/Z |
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giov4[m] |
doesn't seem to work unfortunately: if I'm above the target the player looks upward, while if I go much under the target the player looks in front of them |
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giov4[m] |
* doesn't seem to work unfortunately: if I'm above the target the player looks upward, while if I go much under the target the player looks in front of them |
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giov4[m] |
* doesn't seem to work unfortunately: if I'm above the target the player looks upward, while if I go much under the target the player looks in front of them |
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giov4[m] |
edit: oh never mind, I found a different way of doing what I needed to do using just the horizontal look, thanks |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> IIRC I used code based on classroom for a "player look at" thing, but I had to make some corrections or something ... I don't remember the specifics. I'm, sadly, no longer using that code anywhere, either. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> giov4: https://github.com/appgurueu/moblib/blob/06a8c9f71c5525ce4a5c7fcd7f58df9e9fafccc0/main.lua#L127-L131 should work |
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independent56 |
How do i stop an interrupt timer? |
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independent56 |
From within code? |
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independent56 |
Let's say that i had interrupt(10) which ran a function. When the function returns "->", then the interrupt timer must stop. |
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independent56 |
Is it pronounced Mé-sé-cons or Miesecons? |
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independent56 |
Does anyone else think the insulated mesecon looks like a mint sweet? I always think it would taste good. |
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sfan5 |
supposedly mese is pronounced the finish way |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Pretty sure I've heard it like the "messe" in "messenger" |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> "The Finnish way" is not very helpful to somebody who doesn't know any Finnish though. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Does make me wonder whether c55 would have the last word in how all "mese" is pronounced and the mesecons authors would only get to say how "cons" is pronounced, or whether the pronunciation of "mesecons" can be essentially independent of upstream "mese" and entirely at that author's discretion. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> re mese: c55 pronounces it somewhere towards the end of the trainwreck livestream, that should be considered the authority here :) |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> different topic: I just released https://github.com/appgurueu/strictest |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I should look up that stream and get a timestamp. Might be a useful bookmark to have on hand because "how do you pronounce mese" comes up at least twice a week. |
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Pexin |
I pronounce it by typing. with my fingers. |
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definitelya |
ku ku ku |
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muurkha |
I pronounce "mese" as "Messi" because Argentina |
| 19:10 |
muurkha |
I heard someone pronounce it "Meese" once and thought it was hilarious |
| 19:10 |
Pexin |
miiss |
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Pexin |
meeeeees |
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Ingar |
'that stuff' |
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Ingar |
minetest suffers from bad naming schemes all the way :p |
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definitelya |
Shiny yellow in the deep |
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Ingar |
Insert Balrog joke |
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muurkha |
naw, Minetest's naming schemes are great |
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muurkha |
except the name "Minetest" |
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Ingar |
muurkha: that one yeah ;) |
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definitelya |
I use Jar-Jar as a mentor. |
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definitelya |
Meesa |
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independent56 |
Whilst i woke y'all up, is it even possible to stop an interupt() function repeating again and again in a luacontroller |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Zughy -> minetest/minetest: Remove tile_images and special_materials obsolete code (#12455) 18fbc03 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/18fbc0394b9b3fc4e1e72550fb0e1113ee72ce64 (2022-06-27T23:55:01Z) |
