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00:00 Pexin the mods you probably need are moreores and ethereal
00:00 Pexin and maybe technic
00:00 Pexin maybe not ethereal actually
00:01 settl3r[m] yeah, it uses moreores, gloop_ores, cave_realms, titanium and technic
00:01 settl3r[m] (ethereal  i didnt see in their mod-list)
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00:02 settl3r[m] i looked again, definitely not ethereal, but gloopblocks and glooptest
00:02 Pexin for general guesstimate: https://wiki.minetest.net/Ores
00:02 Pexin stock ores
00:02 settl3r[m] yeah, i already studied that useful page
00:03 settl3r[m] but that page doesnt even mention titanium, mithril, silver, chromium etc
00:04 settl3r[m] (but i'm really thankful, even for that not complete page)
00:04 settl3r[m] (it already helped me)
00:04 muurkha what's gloopblocks like?
00:06 settl3r[m] red kalite for torches, green arol for durable tools, glowing bluish talinite, useless (decorative) akalin and magenta alatro for speedy tools
00:06 settl3r[m] and kalite can also be eaten to recover 1 HP
00:06 settl3r[m] (useful for UHC worlds)
00:06 muurkha sounds pretty
00:06 settl3r[m] * 1 HP (have to test that myself though ^^)
00:07 Pexin from that list I've only seen moreores and technic. and technic was a custom version..
00:07 settl3r[m] titanium is extra
00:08 settl3r[m] it doesnt occur by technic or gloop
00:08 settl3r[m] (appears only below -1500)
00:08 settl3r[m] but extremely useful for pickaxes
00:08 settl3r[m] * for pickaxes, also extremely hard to find
00:09 settl3r[m] (it is as fast as mithril, but seems to be more durable)
00:09 settl3r[m] and it can pickup gravel extremely quickly, too
00:09 muurkha neat
00:09 settl3r[m] (mithril picks are slow with gravel)
00:09 muurkha in a pickaxe?  or do you mean in a shovel?
00:09 settl3r[m] a pick, interestingly
00:10 Pexin shovel for gravel
00:10 settl3r[m] so a titanium pick is even doubly useful
00:11 settl3r[m] yeah, normally one would use a shovel, but titanium picks are special, i experienced
00:11 settl3r[m] (therefore i got mad, when i lost it, while i hit the anvil)
00:11 settl3r[m] (..luckily i discovered new titanium deposits later)
00:13 settl3r[m] so the old question still stands: are sulfur and uranium the only ores which are not to be found below -4096m ?
00:14 settl3r[m] (because, if that is truly the case, i could fill up/close down all my mines above -4km as soon as i have reached that depth, and when i have enough uranium [a stack should be enough?])
00:15 settl3r[m] because the render-bug enables other players to "xray-explore" the shallow mines from above, but they would be unable to ever see the deep mines?
00:15 settl3r[m] ..even with that render bug.
00:16 Pexin http://gunshowcomic.com/419
00:16 settl3r[m] So only have to fill up the not-so-deep holes, and only let open the -4km deep ones.
00:17 settl3r[m] * deep ones, and connect those with travelnets/elevators with my secret main base.
00:17 settl3r[m] (sorry for my english ^^)
00:17 Pexin I'm just confused because why wouldn't they just make their own mines
00:17 muurkha no worries
00:18 Pexin instead of one that is most likely tapped out because it was yours
00:19 settl3r[m] Because i fill them up with smooth stone, so that they look like natural rock, if mining into them.
00:19 settl3r[m] It is a perfect camouflage, but very work-intensive.
00:20 muurkha might be easier to get to 2 km by going into somebody else's mine than by digging your own, especially if there are elevators or portals
00:20 settl3r[m] (i use a semi-automatic basalt-generator, a grinder and furnaces to convert them into smooth stones)
00:21 settl3r[m] not at the distance, i took. there is nobody there - it is pristine wilderness
00:21 settl3r[m] i take these extreme measure, because that server uses permadeath mod "Yolo"-mod
00:22 settl3r[m] (yolo = you only live once)
00:22 settl3r[m] so i use several layers of security:
00:24 muurkha oh interesting, how does the yolo-mod work?  does it ban your IP if you die?
00:24 settl3r[m] 1) extreme distance from spawn
00:24 settl3r[m] 2) extremely deep down
00:24 settl3r[m] 3) at surface level there is nothing left, i turned it back into nature :)
00:24 settl3r[m] 4) an alt, who can remove travelnets into his inventory, to remove the last connection, when danger appreas
00:24 settl3r[m] * 1. extreme distance from spawn
00:24 settl3r[m] 2. extremely deep down
00:24 settl3r[m] 3. at surface level there is nothing left, i turned it back into nature :)
00:24 settl3r[m] was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected. Use a pastebin like paste.ubuntu.com.
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00:25 settl3r[m] no, it just bans your character
00:25 settl3r[m] oops sorry
00:27 settl3r[m] but that would be a crushing blow, if you use protector blocks and locked chests, as they would be blocked from your next char
00:27 settl3r[m] (so most players dont use them, to not block themselves in case of death, they hide instead)
00:29 settl3r[m] but the admin(s) are mostly lenient, and are willing to give you access to your former possessions (if you haven't taken their stuff in game, that is ^^)
00:30 muurkha haha
00:31 muurkha so the protector blocks and locked chests and steel doors stay closed forever?
00:31 muurkha before the botkick I saw up to here: 00:24 < settl3r[m]> 3. at surface level there is nothing left, i turned it back into nature :)
00:32 muurkha are there people who play on the server who are more sociable and who make communities?  or is everyone off in the most distant wilderness they can find building secret fortresses?
00:33 settl3r[m] yeah, i camouflaged my former entry
00:33 settl3r[m] * former entry (to my mountain base)
00:33 settl3r[m] * former entry (to my old base)
00:34 settl3r[m] oh, there are indeed players who seek others to team up with, near spawn area
00:34 settl3r[m] the server is "hightime hardcore survival"
00:35 settl3r[m] (while "spawn area" is roughly +/-1000 X/Z)
00:36 settl3r[m] i would say, most new players want to play together, with others, judging from the ingame chat
00:36 settl3r[m] ..but there are days, where it is empty.
00:38 settl3r[m] (unfortunately, some players got alienated by the permadeath and ragequitted)
00:39 settl3r[m] but i've seen days, where there were 5 players online at the same time
00:39 settl3r[m] (it has 28 slots)
00:40 settl3r[m] and some players have underestimated the threat of the dungeon masters, creeping out of caves (esp. at night)
00:41 settl3r[m] these DMs can kill you, even if you have the best armor (mithril) + best weapon (mithril sword?)
00:42 settl3r[m] iirc, they can fire explosive projectiles
00:44 settl3r[m] but some mobs give high rewards, eg. one monster drops mese crystal fragments, another drops lava orbs which can be used to craft a high-level weapon
00:44 settl3r[m] (but that mese monster also shoots at you and can fly, so watch out ^^)
00:46 settl3r[m] All in all, it is a fun and immersive server :)
00:47 settl3r[m] (more players would make it even more fun and also a strategic challenge)
00:47 settl3r[m] * strategic challenge, as that would make beds mostly unusable, and you would have to take special care at night)
00:49 settl3r[m] Luckily, DMs only spawn in dark places (over stone), so they are mostly found in dark caves & caverns.
00:49 settl3r[m] * Luckily, DMs only spawn in dark places (over stone), so their natural habitat are primarily (large) dark caves & caverns.
00:50 settl3r[m] Oh, and there are also pyramids, with special dangers & rewards.
00:51 settl3r[m] * also pyramids & cobble-stone dungeons, with
00:54 muurkha I guess "hardcore survival" probably selects for people who want to PvP and thus for secret fortresses
00:55 muurkha dungeon masters are a pain in the ass; their explosive projectiles can kill not only you but also your buildings
00:56 muurkha a thing I've sometimes done is disconnect from the server when they appear
00:57 settl3r[m] yeah, i had the "pleasure" to met one in a mine/cave, was lucky and instinctively run away as fast as i could ^^  (heels over head ^^)
00:58 muurkha I've killed them pretty often in other cases though
00:58 muurkha bows help a lot
00:58 settl3r[m] but when you reconnect, wouldn't it be there again?
00:58 settl3r[m] (oh my network will disconnect in about a minute)
00:59 settl3r[m] (at 3am, i set a sleep-automatism ^^)
00:59 settl3r[m] * a sleep-automatism,, *  for my wifi ^^)
01:00 muurkha not if there aren't any other players no
01:00 muurkha or other player nearby
01:00 muurkha *s
01:02 muurkha I found this disappointing because I tried imprisoning some mobs in a zoo
01:43 muurkha my girlfriend changed the sound of the Dungeon Master to say "Hola Juan Carlos", which is a local meme here in Argentina
01:43 muurkha because it makes him scarier
02:52 MTDiscord <Jordach> lmao
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09:43 MinetestBot erle: Jun-06 19:29 UTC <Pexin> that's it. I'm out. mobkit is just screwed up apparently.
09:43 erle why is that i message for me?
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10:59 amicdict Someone made a minetest community on lemmy.ml: https://lemmy.ml/c/minetest
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13:26 rubenwardy !title https://blog.minetest.net/2022/06/05/May/
13:26 MinetestBot rubenwardy: May - This Month in Minetest (04)- Minetest Blog
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13:45 erle rubenwardy land of catastrophe screenshot does not load here (in firefox 100)
13:46 erle i have looked at the headers for this file but haven't found a smoking gun https://blog.minetest.net/static/blog/2022_May/izzyscastle.webp
13:48 erle all other images seem to load
13:52 rubenwardy Probably because it's a webp
13:54 erle but firefox can load webp i think
13:57 definitelya Loads fine for me, Firefox 100
13:58 erle weird
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15:19 Pexin erle: because so far you're my only point of contact for the "pony trampoline" bug, which I can't repro. in 5.5.0 the pony just dies after a minute because for some reason it takes damage(?) on the trampoline, and in current master dying ponies crash MT to main menu because self.object:get_properties() returns nil at that point in the pony code
15:20 Pexin with the current state of irrmt I don't know how to properly bisect, and figured your associates know way more about this than me
15:23 muurkha erle: firefox can load the webp container file format but it's conceivable that there are some codecs that you can put into webp that firefox can't decode
15:25 erle muurkha that sounds quite bizarre, given that webp is not even that good of a format, next to, say, jpeg
15:27 erle Pexin you could always ask sfan5 to unlock the issue so you can comment there and ask the previous commenter for repro steps. it was locked in error anyway – and github has no private message system as far as i know.
15:29 Pexin erle:  I _thought_ I had figured out the problem from reading the pony code, (internal "springiness" in the pony) but that didn't pan out
15:29 Pexin so I'm lost
15:32 muurkha can't disagree
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15:48 erle Pexin regarding bisection, i pretty much gave up on that. there is zero interest in a reliable build and not enough interest in submodules, so why bother?
15:49 Pexin boo.
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16:26 erle “bump” posts should be banned IMO https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7867#issuecomment-1148513194
16:32 definitelya Why?
16:33 definitelya :(
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18:16 erle definitelya they serve no purpose except spamming the issue tracker and maybe turning it into a popularity contest
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18:30 Krock oh. someone's interested in one of the 400-ish feature requests
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18:39 definitelya Yeah that's annoying.
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19:03 independent56 It's my server's birthday today!
19:05 Krock_ happy birthday Georg von Pasterwiz
19:06 Krock_ unhappy birthday Muammar Gaddafi
19:06 mmuller LoL, is your server named one of those?
19:07 independent56 Nope, just that it became public a year ago, on 2021-06-07
19:07 independent56 And i feel like it's an achievement to both my personal technical knowledge growth and the Minetest community
19:08 mmuller well, congrats!
19:08 muurkha congratulations!
19:09 independent56 Thank you
19:09 muurkha solemn Alan Turing Day
19:09 independent56 What should i build as a monument?
19:10 mmuller Something phallic! :-P
19:10 muurkha for Alan Turing Day?  something phallic would be appropriate, but a mese logic circuit even more so
19:10 mmuller haha
19:10 muurkha I think an apple with a bite taken out of it would be in poor taste
19:10 mmuller Yeah, good to remember our heroes for the right reasons.
19:12 mmuller Actually, kind of rude since I think he was chemically castrated by his government.
19:13 muurkha That is correct
19:13 rubenwardy they apologised decades later though, so it's all fine
19:14 muurkha they extradited Assange tho so it's not
19:15 muurkha desert stone and different kinds of sand blocks can make nice flesh-tone materials for sculpting things that are supposed to represent human beings
19:15 muurkha or their body parts
19:15 muurkha if you don't have moreblocks or unifieddyes or something
19:19 sfan5 https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/34514239/170999166-154a55a1-2cf9-437f-9f43-163428b8093d.png
19:19 sfan5 lmao
19:19 muurkha ?
19:20 Krock_ soon: SAM plush figurines for decoration purposes
19:22 independent56 > Something phallic!:-P  "This monument is erected in celebration of one year of server upkeep"
19:28 MinetestBot [git] x2048 -> minetest/minetest: Mapblock Mesh BspTree: Increase the depth of block-level splits 3107c98 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/3107c9859114336989855a2c9ee2cbde0e88e3d3 (2022-06-07T19:26:31Z)
19:28 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Sanitize player position and speed server-side (#12396) 3ac5a24 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/3ac5a24b12950a2d92860d000b9477a11c1ad68b (2022-06-07T19:27:05Z)
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19:37 Pexin careful what you say about "flesh tones"
19:39 muurkha those blocks cover a pretty wide range of flesh tones, though not the full human range
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20:58 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Fix Gitlab-CI pipelines 213d356 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/213d3562bd29805e0bc8549a4e9e3aa2bf0f0349 (2022-06-07T20:56:22Z)
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22:44 erle 3d rendering alignments hehe https://libredd.it/preview/external-pre/duExaWnhqyholtY_UY5bkY_Qil1WB6aK0Mx1hV9bxHg.jpg?auto=webp&amp;s=750fc3348ada5bec8a796a2871400d355bcc76d8
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22:56 lsab hello. I set up in my server a standard password, is there some way to reset all passowords to a new, it is an school I'm having some problems
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23:16 lsab is there someone to recommend a mod to admin passwords in block
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