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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Wow that's an unfortunate name for a library |
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erlehmann |
jordan4ibanez what, i2p? |
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erlehmann |
jordan4ibanez i have been using a python module literally called “buttplug” to get the rumble support, i doubt it can get much worse :P |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Haha I was referring to libcaca but i2p sounds a little off too |
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MTDiscord |
<jordan4ibanez> Oh my goodness, they could have named it anything haha |
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Soni |
what's wrong with i2p? |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> what about libass? |
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erlehmann |
best name is still libowfat, because you can link your programs with -lowfat |
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Oblomov |
erlehmann: but that's intentional, IIRC |
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Oblomov |
in the caca case, it's just an acronym |
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Oblomov |
color ascii coding something iirc |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> aa = ascii art, so since caca adds color, I always assumed it stood for "color ascii color art" :-) |
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definitelya |
Is ASCII just modern UTF, and we keep calling it ASCII, even though it's not? |
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erlehmann |
definitelya it is done using escape codes for coloring and ASCII characters as far as i know |
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definitelya |
erlehmann: Ah thanks |
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Yad |
Just a sanity check here: in IPv6 is `fe80::` equivalent to `192.168.` in IPv4? |
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sfan5 |
you have simplified the details too much for there to be a correct answer |
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Yad |
sfan5: Thank you. The broader question is: How can I be sure an IPv6 address is on my router's LAN? |
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sfan5 |
IPv6 has private address space which would come close to telling "LAN or not" just by looking at the IP but most setups do not use any |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> fe80:: is not equivalent to 192.168.0.0/16, fe80:: is link-local. If it's equivalent to smth, it's 169.254.0.0/16 |
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sfan5 |
IPv6 hosts will have public addresses such as 2001:db8:1:abcd:55d4:858b:98af:d48b which look no different whether they're in your LAN or at the other side of the world |
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Yad |
Fascinating. It's just unnerving because the only way I know that the address I'm looking at is on my LAN, is that it's throughput is too fast to be on the WAN. |
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sfan5 |
now if it's for debugging purposes you can certainly check if it's on your LAN, read the routes your machine has and compare whether it matches an on-link route |
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Yad |
sfan5: Are you implying it's a job for Wireshark? :) |
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sfan5 |
or simpler, on Linux: `ip r get 2001:db8::` and check if there's a "via" component |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> A common approach for ipv6 networks is using public ipv6 addresses for every device. But if you really want a private address, you should use fd00::/8 |
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sfan5 |
Yad: no wireshark needed |
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Yad |
savilli: The basic problem is that I don't know how to turn off IPv6 in Android. |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> why do you want to in the first place? |
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Yad |
savilli: To use IPv6? I don't want to. |
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Yad |
savilli: I would turn it off at the router level if I were authorized to do so. |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> that's stupid, ipv6 is neat |
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Yad |
savilli: I would have thought so except it's insufficiently dynamic. |
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sfan5 |
oh I forgot to elaborate: "via" -> routed, it's (likely) not LAN, "via" -> on-link, it's LAN |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> wdym dynamic? |
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Yad |
savilli: To easy to see that you're talking to the same device later on. |
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sfan5 |
no "via" * for the last |
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Yad |
*too |
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sfan5 |
btw there's an #ipv6 |
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Yad |
savilli: Addresses never need to get re-used, cycled, changed, whatever you like to call it. There are more devices than IPv4 addresses, so they provide an insignificant but non-zero amount of security through obscurity. (Sorry if this is getting off-topic for Minetest) |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> Yad: that's not true, in a good IPv6 network you choose your address randomly |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> if you have such problems then smth is configured badly |
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Yad |
savilli: Hmm, well that's good news. So IPv6 could actually provide *more* security through obscurity by using an address never used before, every few hours, for example? |
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Yad |
(Since there are enough addresses for millions per square meter of Earth's surface.) |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> yup |
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Yad |
savilli: Wow, well that changes my feeling entirely. |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> if you're interested, we're using IPv6 only client networks for years and never have such problem |
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Yad |
savilli: Never had a problem with an address getting re-used? But how often is a new random address assigned? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I probably would have adopted IPv6 when it was still new, if it hadn't been for all the "flaw found in the X component of IPv6" stuff I read about back then where it left me thinking "why is X even part of IPv6?" |
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Yad |
Warr: Yeah I first heard of IPv6 in 2004 lol |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> Literally how often you want. You can configure your IPv6 router to renew it. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> That was about the time that most of the world said "okay, I guess we'll wait for you to fix all the problems then", leaving only a handful of die-hards saying "okay, now THIS time we're sure we've got it. Guys? Hello?" |
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Yad |
savilli: Spiffy. In a situation where I'm not the router admin though, should I disable IPv6 on my Linux machines connected to the router? |
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Yad |
Warr: Heheheh |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Even if IPv6 becomes large-scale dominant at this point, it'll still be decades before it completely supplants v4... |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Once upon a time I used to entirely disable IPv6 on my machines whenever an obvious way to do so was available, but I have found it's a bit more complicated than that and causes unexpected problems, like localhost resolving to ::1... |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> I would prefer to ask your admin approach. But surely you should disable it if it's not secure enough. |
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Yad |
This is fascinating because it means in theory a device could send a packet, which also included the next new IPv6 address, so that the recipient would know where to send the reply packet. |
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Yad |
savilli: "if" but yeah thanks I tend to think so too |
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independent56 |
Ever since i updated the server, snap broke and now minetest won't run my server. |
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independent56 |
2022-03-12 17:52:43: WARNING[Main]: Couldn't find a locale directory! |
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independent56 |
2022-03-12 17:52:43: ERROR[Main]: Error writing configuration file: "/home/independent56/worldtest/world.mt" |
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independent56 |
2022-03-12 17:52:43: ACTION[Main]: Server: Shutting down |
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independent56 |
2022-03-12 17:52:43: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: Failed to initialize world: Failed to update the config file |
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MTDiscord |
<savilli> Warr1024: that's why we don't disable IPv4 on our machines, only in our network |
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Yad |
independent56: "won't run" or "won't run on"? |
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independent56 |
Won't run on, sorry |
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Yad |
independent56: :) |
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independent56 |
The hardware runs my server, minetest runs on the server, but the Minetest server runs on minetest. |
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Desour |
independent56: you could increase the debug log level |
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independent56 |
Good idea |
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independent56 |
https://pastebin.com/g6fAmD4J |
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independent56 |
Oh and also, i ahve to use sudo now because of "snap-confine has elevated permissions and is not confined but should be. Refusing to continue to avoid permission escalation attacks" |
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definitelya |
independent56: What's wrong with cloning/ downloading Minetest from GitHub? I bet you'd have less headaches than with snap. ^^ |
| 18:07 |
independent56 |
Good idea |
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independent56 |
sudo snap remove minetest |
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definitelya |
f |
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Desour |
wrong window |
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independent56 |
I was quoting my SSH client |
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independent56 |
I have heard from my English lit teacher that quoting makes you look smart :p |
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definitelya |
independent56: It does! |
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Desour |
btw looking at fs::safeWriteToFile, it looks like minetest couldn't write to a tmp file (as there was no warning, it has to be one of the upper return false;s) |
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independent56 |
Finally, Minetest is giving errors which i can fix. Thanks, git! |
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independent56 |
I just need to download the game. |
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independent56 |
Where is the games directory when downloading from source? is it closer to root, home, or the git cloned minetest? |
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independent56 |
Looking at ls, i am guessing cloned source. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> depends on how you compile it? |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> if compiled with RUN_IN_PLACE, it'll be "in place" = the source folder you're compiling it from |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> otherwise it'll pick something like ~/.minetest/games |
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independent56 |
Yay, it works! |
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independent56 |
Perfectly, with commands taken directly from readme |
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sfan5 |
Yad: the default IPv6 configuration is to choose temporary addresses on common Linux distros and has been for a while |
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Yad |
sfan5: well that's good to hear! I didn't realize the OS could control that; I thought it was determined by the router. |
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sfan5 |
both can influence it, sort of |
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Yad |
oooh |
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independent56 |
Is it possible to dynamically register nodes, like as soon as a mapblock with that node is loaded, the node is registered? |
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independent56 |
Because then that can prevent hitting the node limit with mods which make thousands of nodes, each of which may only be used once |
| 20:19 |
independent56 |
Extra points for the unregistered nodes being in the inventory. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Not possible. |
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independent56 |
Makes sense |
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independent56 |
But it would be cool, if unstable and dangerous in production |
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independent56 |
*even if |
| 20:54 |
independent56 |
When i try to run my minetest server, most of the mods encounter dependency problems. Do i have to use a set order of loading mods? https://pastebin.com/36TBxm1V |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> your missing baked clay which causes a chain reaction |
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independent56 |
Oh, that makes sense |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> why the heck does 3d_armor depend on bakedclay of all things tho |
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independent56 |
The joints of the stuff :p |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> https://github.com/minetest-mods/3d_armor/blob/master/3d_armor/mod.conf#L3 looks like its opional |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> means you probably got one of those nasty optional deps being turned into hard dep issues |
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independent56 |
load_mod_bakedclay = true |
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independent56 |
and minetest/mods/bakedclay is a directory |
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definitelya |
Jonathon: Oh god, that can happen? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> i think smalljoker/krock's PR to fix that is in 5.6 |
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independent56 |
I have built the version as of a few hours ago |
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independent56 |
And when i removed "bakedclay" from the mod.confof 3d_armour, still broken. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> hold the phone on my last comment, im not seeing it in the minetest commit history, let me go look at open prs |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> assuming it didnt get roadmapped or some dumb thing like that |
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independent56 |
I removed it from the mod.conf in the wrong place xd |
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definitelya |
Yeah it sounds pretty annoying... |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/11438 here you go |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> has two approvals (author is dev and one other dev approval) dunno why it isnt merged |
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independent56 |
Removed it correctly now, and now the JRE error is showing up on top. I will try bumping up the advtrainsmodpack in world.mt |
| 21:06 |
independent56 |
Nope, that didn't work |
| 21:13 |
independent56 |
Ok, so removing admin_modpack and wieldview allows the server to start, albeit without the errorful mods |
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sfan5 |
how did you break it so bad |
| 21:14 |
independent56 |
I didn't, it broke itself |
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independent56 |
https://pastebin.com/f1C29Chy |
| 21:16 |
independent56 |
And a more modern version for reference: https://pastebin.com/NkrRW99z |
| 21:26 |
independent56 |
Why do these mods even depend on each other? steles should have nothing to do with technic |
| 21:27 |
independent56 |
it's that soft -> hard dependencies bug again. |
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independent56 |
I'll tell you what happened. I update the server > breaks snap > tries to fix > breaks snap more > installs minetest from source > takes mods directly from search engine using world.mt to know which ones > encounters error > now |
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independent56 |
Turns out pipeworks and basicmateriels was causing the dependency issues |
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independent56 |
now basic_materials has a flaw. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> ...which is? |
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independent56 |
That the git repo was a mod backw ith some sound api. using my local version and FTP,imanaged tofix it. |
| 22:59 |
independent56 |
But now a lot of advtrains nodes have corrupted in terms of rotation. |
| 23:00 |
independent56 |
But that's fine, it'sonly a smallpercentage of the network. |
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independent56 |
How do i find the name of unkown items in the inventory? |
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MinetestBot |
[git] appgurueu -> minetest/minetest_game: player_api: Fix crash for players without model a6f3b89 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/a6f3b895963e3a4feba035ca0578c18aa86a645d (2022-03-12T23:02:40Z) |
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independent56 |
https://imgur.com/a/wYJjQLi |
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independent56 |
This is the only corruption i have seen thus far |
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independent56 |
A few points broken on my balloon loops. |
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