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| 00:00 |
erlehmann |
i still maintain that adding a function that has a callback AND blocks was the problem here |
| 00:00 |
erlehmann |
if the intermediate function had not been there, the breakage would have been obvious |
| 00:01 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> The devs correctly maintain the stance that this is on the modders who didn't use the callback even after the intermediate function forced it upon them |
| 00:01 |
erlehmann |
this is not “necessity” in the sense of “there is no possible way to do it different”. i have pointed out that making a dynamic_add_media2 for the 2-argument-form of the function is a much cleaner solution. removing the old function (or keeping it) is easy then too. |
| 00:02 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> And despite the docs clearly telling them to use the callback |
| 00:02 |
sfan5 |
this must be the third time you have claimed that keeping the old function is easy |
| 00:02 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> erlehmann: removing the old function might have been easy - with lot's of code duplication though |
| 00:02 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> lots* |
| 00:02 |
erlehmann |
sfan5 well there is no way to keep it now |
| 00:02 |
sfan5 |
I know you're wrong so for me this is the perfect proof that you have not once looked at the code behind it |
| 00:03 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> the new API uses an entirely different async protocol |
| 00:03 |
erlehmann |
sfan5 easy as in “keeping compatibility”, not easy as in “the code does not look like a mess” |
| 00:03 |
erlehmann |
i value compatiblity higher than the platonic ideal form, you do the reverse ig |
| 00:04 |
sfan5 |
it's not about code looking good |
| 00:04 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> both are important |
| 00:04 |
sfan5 |
once again you have not once looked at the implementation |
| 00:04 |
erlehmann |
is this about the sending media twice? |
| 00:04 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> that's what v1 had to do due to the hacky protocol, yes |
| 00:04 |
sfan5 |
since you are so confident all the time you should find out yourself |
| 00:05 |
erlehmann |
give me a minute. also, please less snark. we're all cooking with water here. |
| 00:05 |
sfan5 |
I can post less snarky once you fact check your claims before posting |
| 00:06 |
erlehmann |
as i said, give me a minute |
| 00:06 |
sfan5 |
sure |
| 00:06 |
erlehmann |
luatic, can i spinlock in minetest lua? |
| 00:06 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> I find sfan5's argument compelling: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11997#issuecomment-1024143311 and https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11997#issuecomment-1024346655 |
| 00:06 |
erlehmann |
can i await? |
| 00:07 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> await what? |
| 00:07 |
erlehmann |
await an async function |
| 00:07 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> the callback being called? no? |
| 00:07 |
sfan5 |
if you build await with coroutines sure |
| 00:07 |
sfan5 |
lua does not have that concept out of the box |
| 00:08 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> yes |
| 00:09 |
sfan5 |
if you are asking whether you can do a blocking wait until the callback would have been called (for compat) then it's a no |
| 00:09 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> but for MCL5: I believe we should just fix the issue there or make kay27 aware of it; MCL5 is horribly unstable anyways |
| 00:10 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> sfan5: I'm assuming erlehmann is trying to monkeypatch this on the mod side of things |
| 00:11 |
erlehmann |
luatic no, i want to figure out *how* it would have been monkeypatched |
| 00:11 |
erlehmann |
“MCL5 is horribly unstable anyways” → you had me in the first 3 words |
| 00:12 |
erlehmann |
am i correct than with a lag of more than 5s you never get the dynamic media? |
| 00:13 |
sfan5 |
not really |
| 00:17 |
erlehmann |
sfan5 i have read all the code twice and still don't get the problem with keeping the old thing. i mean i see the wrapper stuff and dynamic_add_media_raw, but … where is the difficulty? it looks to me it is just ugly, but if you are so insistent, then i am probably overloooking something major. |
| 00:17 |
erlehmann |
like, it's not even that much code. does it interact with something else? |
| 00:18 |
erlehmann |
luatic do you know? you are good with lua after all |
| 00:18 |
sfan5 |
are you reading the 5.4 code? it's not in there |
| 00:18 |
erlehmann |
i did git log |
| 00:18 |
erlehmann |
to see all 3 versions |
| 00:18 |
erlehmann |
the 5.3, the 5.4, the 5.5 version |
| 00:18 |
sfan5 |
the reason is that if you are talking to a new client then the media fetch is always asynchronous |
| 00:19 |
sfan5 |
if you wanted to preserve the blocking behaviour the only way would be to block the entire server until all clients report that they have received the media |
| 00:19 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> so if a v1 server sends dynamic media to a v2 client it fetches async |
| 00:19 |
sfan5 |
well no |
| 00:19 |
sfan5 |
that wasn't totally accurate, it depends on the protocol version the server agree on |
| 00:20 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> ah good |
| 00:20 |
sfan5 |
s/the (server)/the client and \1/ |
| 00:20 |
Wuzzy |
reminder to all translaters reading htis: you can translate builtin as well now for the first time |
| 00:21 |
erlehmann |
how did the old protocol handle this without locking up the server? |
| 00:21 |
Wuzzy |
builtin is responsible for things like chatcommands and server messages |
| 00:21 |
sfan5 |
the old way was synchronous |
| 00:21 |
sfan5 |
old clients do not get asked to fetch the media, they just get it thrown at them |
| 00:22 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> ^ |
| 00:23 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> thrown over two channels |
| 00:23 |
sfan5 |
(which means the synchronization is implicitly provided by the reliable packet queue) |
| 00:23 |
erlehmann |
sfan5 i get it, it is not easy. only the form of the API is easy. |
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erlehmann |
sfan5 you win! |
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erlehmann |
sfan5 any other APIs that have the same blocking → non-blocking transition? |
| 00:24 |
sfan5 |
not that I know of |
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sfan5 |
there is probably less than 5 blocking APIs |
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erlehmann |
sfan5 luatic thanks for the explanations |
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rubenwardy |
Made a thing: https://twitter.com/rubenwardy/status/1487599300427362305 |
| 01:41 |
rubenwardy |
erlehmann ^ |
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Toothless |
I |
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erlehmann |
rubenwardy, awww |
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Toothless |
Impressive addon Mate! |
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jordan4ibanez |
That's awesome! |
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rubenwardy |
thanks all |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> @rubenwardy maybe ver2 has a proximity sensor and is painted? |
| 04:02 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Anyhow, wow |
| 04:02 |
rubenwardy |
I plan to learn how to paint them |
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MTDiscord |
<MNH48> > <Wuzzy> reminder to all translaters reading htis: you can translate builtin as well now for the first time |
| 04:04 |
MTDiscord |
<MNH48> Wuzzy: did it get added to weblate yet? since that's where translators get notified of new strings and to translate new stuff |
| 04:10 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> you might be able to start a minetest store with a refined version of that and some t-shirts, etc. I think some people would buy such things, and it could help with development and hosting |
| 04:11 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> I mean, I might even buy a minetest tshirt sometime. Not a promise, but its something I might consider |
| 04:12 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> you can ofc use a proxy service to handle the sales |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> what would people think if a minetest release party for 5.5? Like, IDK, a temp server loaded with some cool mods, especially fireworks and other things. Or maybe a live server could host it. |
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<MisterE> *think of |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> could be cool maybe? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> like why come? |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> just to celebrate the release |
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sfan5 |
@MNH48 builtin is not in weblate, the current workflow is editing the translation files by hand and sending a PR |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Raise max mapgen limit constant to align with mapblock size a9bccb9 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/a9bccb964f6c6ffe9d4f84922d9be640e4dd2f1e (2022-01-30T12:49:26Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Get rid of empty test file f69eead https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/f69eead62e71e22d1810e0dedfa363cb9f210268 (2022-01-30T12:49:26Z) |
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[git] rollerozxa -> minetest/minetest: Fix Minetest logo when installed system-wide 172acce https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/172acce352acfadacce498915d8eca75e2266731 (2022-01-30T12:49:52Z) |
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[git] Wuzzy2 -> minetest/minetest: Update builtin translation templates 777fb61 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/777fb616b6d5a5e71583b881df90d89ff8fc3e7c (2022-01-30T12:50:07Z) |
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[git] Wuzzy2 -> minetest/minetest: Update German builtin translation 9d3135a https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/9d3135a21b31eea6dcec67b887243bcb6124b6a1 (2022-01-30T12:50:07Z) |
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[git] An0n3m0us -> minetest/minetest_game: Add trapdoor/door model specification (#2371) 172b62f https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/172b62f802114d2330b9ebb5921621a68dfceb5c (2022-01-30T12:54:37Z) |
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sfan5 |
I wonder if the feature freeze isn't meant to apply to MTG too |
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sfan5 |
not that it matters |
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erlehmann |
why would it? |
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erlehmann |
i mean isn't mtg frozen anyway |
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sfan5 |
the frozen state MTG is in means "no new features", the feature freeze is "only bugfixes" |
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[git] baytuch -> minetest/minetest_game: Update Ukranian (uk) translation cc3e7be https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/cc3e7be429845e55eaa6ed8883f778ed46c54449 (2022-01-30T14:20:14Z) |
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SOMBRIO |
Hello! building a integration with a js library, think its better to build a js app to integrate with. is there something like a worlds website project could leverage? I remember using minetesthosting and think they provide something like it with wordpress or joomla |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> What kind of integration do you want to build? |
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SOMBRIO |
the js library provides third-party authentication which I want to link with game accounts. player needs to log in on a website using a third-party auth and then link its thirdparty account to the game account |
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SOMBRIO |
like linking a facebook account to the game account |
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sfan5 |
in most cases you will need sqlite3 to interact with the game's authentication database, you can then create and change accounts |
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SOMBRIO |
would authenticate web user based on game account and ask for thirdparty auth then provide a "session code" to insert in-game. A mod then would validate it with a rpc call to the api server |
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erlehmann |
luatic can you come on irc real quick? |
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appguru |
erlehmann: what's the matter? |
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erlehmann |
query |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Abort raycasts that go out-of-bounds (#12006) b66477c https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/b66477c29f50c52c102be6412bb1754e0cfed143 (2022-01-30T20:31:18Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Get rid of `basic_debug` last minute 5da204f https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/5da204f5bcda7a45ce17f04651627fd8a9d70a82 (2022-01-30T20:32:49Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Update credits for 5.5.0 release (#12001) 5e4a01f https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/5e4a01f2debd173058963f3c19dd954fcd039660 (2022-01-30T20:33:08Z) |
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Any translators hanging out here? |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Add another very awful workaround to prevent a crash on Mingw32 484a4b5 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/484a4b518f6025f2cdec9eb89fdf3883eb57fc28 (2022-01-30T21:57:44Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Bump version to 5.5.0 54b805f https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/54b805ffd0002821f228ab6eb25704bcb58e3080 (2022-01-30T21:58:18Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Continue with 5.6.0-dev 8c0331d https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/8c0331d2449cf71049c7ce9c06d141e2846ebcb0 (2022-01-30T21:58:19Z) |
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sfan5 |
!op |
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sfan5 |
Minetest 5.5.0 has just been released! For more information please see https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=27754 |
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[git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest: Use virtual paths to specify exact mod to enable (#11784) 128f635 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/128f6359e936bcdc5e26409ddd73438bce9c6dd6 (2022-01-30T22:40:53Z) |
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erlehmann: reading material for you https://asahilinux.org/about/ |
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erlehmann |
sfan5, thank |
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gargamel |
These tree house are great there's lots of dragons up here. |
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erlehmann |
luatic can you explain the table thing to me again? i just don't see how i would do multiple replacement passes easily |
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erlehmann |
luatic i do not get how to write the table thing to be more readable |
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erlehmann |
luatic so if you have any example of this i would like it |
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erlehmann |
same question to wsor |
