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fluxionary |
is the mesecons queue API documented anywhere, or do i have to read the source code? |
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fluxionary |
(yes, i've done a cursory google) |
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cheapie |
Well, connecting to a server running plain MTG over dialup worked fine... time for Dreambuilder :P |
| 00:48 |
cheapie |
Item definitions are certainly taking a while. |
| 00:48 |
cheapie |
(I did connect to the same server over not-dialup already, so when it gets to media it *should* already be cached) |
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cheapie |
It is making progress, it's been on node defs for a few minutes now. |
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fluxionary |
cheapie, dialup like 56k over a 28.8 voice line? does anyone even even run such an setup anymore? |
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cheapie |
Well, it does kinda work and I was able to (slowly) wander around for a bit, but it does run into the issue where the server just decides to not send any mapblocks any more after a while. |
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cheapie |
(same issue that happens over normal connections, just happens faster) |
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cheapie |
fluxionary: 33.6k over a line simulator. |
| 01:05 |
fluxionary |
is this just for fun, or ? |
| 01:06 |
cheapie |
Just for fun, yes |
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fluxionary |
i thought 33.6 relied on compression too, why not 56? |
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cheapie |
Compression is separate, these are the uncompressed speeds. |
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cheapie |
V.90 and V.92 require a digital modem on the receiving end (hooked up to the digital backbone of the phone network and all that), without that V.34bis is the fastest you can go. |
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cheapie |
s/receiving/answering/ |
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fluxionary |
yeah, i thought v.34 was 28.8? |
| 01:09 |
fluxionary |
but is has been 20 years since i've thought about this stuff |
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cheapie |
V.34 is 28.8, V.34+/V.34bis is 33.6 |
| 01:11 |
cheapie |
In this case this is a V.90 modem calling a V.92 one, but since they're both connected to what appears to be an analog telephone line, the answering modem limits itself to V.34bis at most. |
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fluxionary |
seems you know this stuff better than i do, but i'm quite amused, thanks for bringing me down memory lane :) |
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Yad |
Does anybody use Eclipse Lua Development Tools? |
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Yad |
I'm looking for any editor which lets me do code folding in Lua. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> no |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> use vscode or whatever fork of it |
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Yad |
Johathon: VSCodium, yes I use that. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> it has code folding, a ton of lua extensions, and a minetest extension |
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Yad |
Johathon: But it, like all others I've tried, refuses to hid `end` statements when folded, unless I indent them to the same level as the block they are ending |
| 02:04 |
Yad |
"Minetest (5.4.1) Lua API code autocompletion" wow that looks really interesting! Thanks for mentioning it. |
| 02:06 |
Yad |
Jonathon: With the way VSCodium does code folding, I'm concerned my pull requests will get rejected by the Minetest repo maintainers. |
| 02:07 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> ....huh |
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Yad |
Jonathon: I mean I have to indent. |
| 02:11 |
Yad |
Jonathon: People won't like that. |
| 02:11 |
Yad |
Jonathon: Even I would prefer not to. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> or ya know stop complaining about one extra line ? |
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Yad |
Jonathon: One extra line for every block. |
| 02:12 |
Yad |
Jonathon: So if I have a list of ten functions, every one of them has a line with "end" on it breaking up the symmetry when folded. |
| 02:13 |
Yad |
Jonathon: And that's 20 lines for 10 functions. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> i think your making it into way to big of a deal than it actually needs to be |
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Yad |
Jonathon: Do you actually write Lua? |
| 02:14 |
Yad |
Jonathon: Someone pointed out to me that if the code needs to be folded, there's probably too much in one file. xD |
| 02:14 |
Yad |
Jonathon: which is a good point, in terms of object-orient programming |
| 02:14 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> na, i write minetest mods with magic |
| 02:15 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> code doesnt ever need to be folded |
| 02:15 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I write all my minetest mods in auL. I just have to hold a mirror up next to the screen. |
| 02:15 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> its a convince things |
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Yad |
Well I just have to warn everybody that my `end` statements, and `}` and `)` when they appear on their own line, will be preceded by an extra tab character :P |
| 02:15 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I've used code folding extensively when I worked in C#, but in my MT mods I've only ever hit it by accident. I think it just depends on the project. |
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Yad |
Warr: That's the spirit! xD xD xD |
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Yad |
Warr: Oooh, interesting! |
| 02:16 |
Yad |
Warr: Yeah I just find it much easier to mentally organize what I'm doing when I only unfold the block I'm working on. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Lua really wants you to keep scopes small and not leak identifiers all over the place, and to me that lends itself to multiple files naturally. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> how to avoid code being to long: dont support nodecore :trollface: |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> So I basically only unfold the block I'm working on by designating certain blocks as files :-) |
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Yad |
Warr: That's a good point considering the heavy use of `local` and having to pass variables into functions within the same register_node and such |
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Yad |
Jonathon: Yeah NodeCore is quite something. xD I'm glad it exists though, to provide a greater variety of perspectives on how to do a Minetest game. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If I declare something like local cache = {} that's supposed to be only accessed by one function, I'll wrap the local and the function in a do ... end block. Splitting out those top-level blocks into multiple files reduces the amount of indentation I have to look at :-) |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> I don't ever fold my code, I just mark sections with comments |
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Yad |
Benrob: Thank you for participating in my informal poll. :) |
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SwissalpS |
are the positions passed to minetest.emerge_area() in node- or block-coordinates? |
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SwissalpS |
I'm assuming nodes, as in the callback signature api.txt explicitly specifies blockpos |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Zughy -> minetest/minetest: Allow resetting celestial vault elements by leaving its arguments emp… 37d8078 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/37d80784ddfc0ff07baee214570c80dc5dd92ca7 (2022-01-22T11:42:49Z) |
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erlehmann |
mineclone2 rickroll https://i.imgur.com/YAlVvAC.jpg |
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MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> is it animated? :D |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Benrob: I actually used to do the section-comment thing before, and eventually found that I was using the comments to mark "keeper" code that I was confident was "finished" as opposed to experimental code that was subject to change. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Then I ended up realizing that any/all of my code was subject to being completely thrown out anyway, so now my code has very few comments; generally only to describe exceptional rationale for something being the way it is. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Actually a lot of my comments have basically moved into git blame, and I now treat the repo history and metadata as PART OF the finished product. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> That basically means that "open source" necessarily means "open repo" because the "preferred form for editing" of my code is actually in the context of a git working tree with access to the full history. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It's a good thing it's MIT-licensed and not GPL in that case, since that would trip people up a lot XD |
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erlehmann |
Warr1024 wdym trip a lot of ppl up? |
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definitelya |
erlehmann: I think you fell into his trap... :) |
| 13:19 |
erlehmann |
definitelya, are you sure this picture is not part of mcl2 proper? http://en.wipikedia.org/wiki/MineClone2 |
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definitelya |
erlehmann: Sorry, I was talking about Warr. |
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erlehmann |
definitelya uh, so then go look at http://en.wipikedia.org/wiki/NodeCore instead i guess |
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definitelya |
wait... wipikedia? |
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erlehmann |
damn you and your reading comprehension |
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definitelya |
bruh |
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definitelya |
Who do you take me for? |
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erlehmann |
definitelya https://mister-muffin.de/p/I1CJ.png |
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MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> aw man I thought you had misspelled wikipedia so I fixed it to check if there really was a wikipedia article for nodecore |
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definitelya |
Sub plank: ik me too. xD |
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erlehmann |
nah it is a rickroll |
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MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> yeah I see that now |
| 13:24 |
MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> but firefox doesn't autoplay youtube videos. hah! |
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definitelya |
erlehmann: plus, gives me bad cert error, weird. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> By "trip people up" I mean that when licenses like the GPL say "preferred form for editing" they don't take into account that the author may have designed the project in which the preferred form for editing code is not necessarily the one that people commonly assume it is. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> So basically that means that if NodeCore were GPL software, it would have been arguably a GPL violation to distribute the source in the form of a tarball of the latest code tree, because the preferred form for editing needs to include the history. |
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erlehmann |
Warr1024 you can specify that though |
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erlehmann |
also it is possible to make a git archive hehe |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Yeah, I'd have to specify it. I'm not actually sure how, of course. I see a lot of code out there that's GPL where they just slap a copy of the GPL into a LICENSE or COPYING file and don't even bother with a (C) statement so you can't even tell WHO is licensing it to you. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The edition of NodeCore on CDB wouldn't be GPL-compliant either, because it's trimmed down. The source of NodeCore includes stuff like blender files, and is about 12MB. The repo history is about double that. The distribution version of NC though is about 1MB since all the non-lua stuff is compiled-version-only. |
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erlehmann |
this reminds me that Mineclonia still has not figured out how to convert the blender models to minetest models programatically |
| 13:32 |
erlehmann |
you have any input on that? |
| 13:33 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Hahaha, I just last night got outside help to fix the NC player model in the first place. I know approximately squat about blender, modeling, and especially animation. |
| 13:34 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I would not be surprised if blender had automation options, but I would also not be surprised if it were a huge pain to get them to work on e.g. a CI build worker or something. |
| 13:35 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Almost all my generated stuff is semi-automatic at best in NC. I keep sources for some things, like SVG for some of the vector graphics, but manually bake them to PNG and commit the "compiled" versions too. |
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erlehmann |
yeah, what a shame that minetest can not load svg |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Having an automated build process would be fancy, but it would also probably break the way a lot of people work on most MT stuff, i.e. by running a git checkout directly in MT, if I depended too much on automation and didn't include compiled versions in the repo. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I sometimes wonder how development for Loria works, since it's written in Fennel and needs to be compiled to Lua... |
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definitelya |
erlehmann: I am very smoothbrained. |
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f-a |
hello. When I move forward with ‘w’, I cannot change direction with the trackpad. Is that a feature? |
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MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> not a feature with minetest but a feature of your operating system, more specifically its palmrejection functionality |
| 15:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> you might want to disable it if it causes issues (which it more than often always does >.>) |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> OS or possibly even hardware/firmware |
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f-a |
thanks |
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f-a |
debian linux here, will check what I can do |
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Calinou |
happy 10th birthday, Minetest 0.4_20120122! It was the last 0.4 prerelease to not feature support for playing sounds |
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f-a |
o/ |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Fix consistency of sky sun/moon texture behaviour f8cef52 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/f8cef52ea07de6a6ccaa6f9a853a8e5ccaaff4ce (2022-01-22T16:18:34Z) |
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[git] x2048 -> minetest/minetest: Make sure nightRatio is always greater than zero. 71317b8 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/71317b8579385142c2a1cbad70a68cf661408855 (2022-01-22T17:52:12Z) |
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Guest62 |
hi! Can someone help me with worldpainter's plugin for minetest? |
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Guest62 |
n.n |
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f-a |
I have got a simple problem. I have mined a lot to reach some cave underground |
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f-a |
and now I am full of blocks I have no use for |
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f-a |
is there a way to get rid of those? |
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f-a |
not just throw them away, obliterate them from the face of Earth |
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sfan5 |
/pulverize |
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f-a |
do I need to pass parameters to that? what will it pulverise? |
| 21:29 |
sfan5 |
the stack you are holding |
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f-a |
thanks, it works |
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calcul0n |
if you have the pipeworks mod the trashcan let you trash stuff with a simple shift+click |
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f-a |
pulverize is ok |
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sfan5 |
when did the irc channels disappear from discord? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> they didnt |
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sfan5 |
well I no longer see them |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> probably a part of @GreenXenith perm edit to keep muted people muted |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> if you havent spoken then you wont be able to see them |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> unfortunate side-effect of awful discord permissions system |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> you need to at least be a lurker (rank) to chat in them so not the worst |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Or I can give you the core dev role, but that has other disadvantages ;] |
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MinetestBot |
[git] v-rob -> minetest/minetest: Bump formspec version (#11980) 95a775c https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/95a775cd3ae5a8281289acb36391b9ef27cc574d (2022-01-22T23:55:43Z) |
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[git] TurkeyMcMac -> minetest/minetest: Cancel emerge callbacks on shutdown 1b2176a https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/1b2176a426dd987795f20e9042a8d79f958b7b44 (2022-01-22T23:56:17Z) |
