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Hey all! There are 3 days left for the Minetest GAME JAM! Start wrapping up and submit whatever you have before Dec. 22 (UTC), even if it isn't quite done (mark as WIP). Make sure to add your packages and releases to the ContentDB with the `Jam / Game 2021` tag! |
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Looking for some assistance with a map load issue. I made a post in the forum but asking here as well. When i launch a local map, it immediately shows shutting down. The debut.txt: 2021-12-18 19:36:19: ERROR[Main]: A serialization error occurred: |
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Guest89 |
2021-12-18 19:36:19: ERROR[Main]: ServerEnvironment::loadMeta(): EnvArgsEnd not found! |
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Guest89 |
2021-12-18 19:36:19: ERROR[Main]: The server is probably running a different version of Minetest. |
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Guest89 |
2021-12-18 19:36:19: ACTION[Main]: Server: Shutting down |
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Guest89 |
2021-12-18 19:36:19: ERROR[Main]: In thread 1: |
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Guest89 |
2021-12-18 19:36:19: ERROR[Main]: /tmp/minetest/src/serverenvironment.cpp:e9: createIntroductionTimesString: A fatal error occurred: attempted to query on non fully set up LBMManager |
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Guest89 was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected. Use a pastebin like paste.ubuntu.com. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> are you trying to use a 5.5 map in 5.4? |
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Guest89 |
Not sure if my last msg was xmitted. Got kicked. |
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Guest89 |
5.4.1 |
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Guest89 |
Same version I created the map with. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> env_meta.txt got corrupted |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> happens from time to time |
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Guest89 |
Anything I can do about it? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> MT rewrites that file frequently, and it apparently doesn't do "safe" writes consistently |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> it'll get corrupted |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> if you've got a backup, restore from backup. If not, just make a new separate world with a new env_meta.txt file and copy that one into the world with the corrupted one. |
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Guest89 |
Ok. Thanks. I'll give it a ttry. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> if you can remember the gametime and time of day (unlikely without a backup) you can try to restore them. Otherwise, some mechanics that depend on persistent server time may be frozen. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> No idea what games/mods use those, other than NodeCore. |
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Guest89 |
Sweet. That worked! Thanks for the tip! |
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Guest89 |
I didn't have it backed up. At least it was a simple fix. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Time of day gets reset (no biggie), total gametime gets reset (maybe biggie?) and LBM introduction times get reset (I have no clue what the impact is, but probably only affects existing map areas...?) |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Always back up your important worlds, if you can ;-) |
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Guest89 |
Non-issues at this time. At least all my work is still there. |
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Guest89 |
I've only been playing for about 28 hrs, so still learning. |
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Guest89 |
Just download MT about 28 hrs ago. |
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Guest89 |
I'll use your advice going forward. Thank you. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Oh, that's pretty harsh to see this corruption in only 28 hours of playing. I've seen it like 2 times in the past 3 years, and I run a couple of servers and have like a handful of SP worlds... |
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cheapie |
Huh, spam in ContentDB notifications. That's new. |
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independent56 |
Lets say i had selected a building with worldedit. I want to move it across the map. Is there a clipboard for worldedit, where you can do //copy to put buildings in, and //paste to paste into a selection? |
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erlehmann |
independent56, save it as a schematic, thank me later |
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independent56 |
Thanks, i was hoping i wouldn't have to do that |
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independent56 |
But i guess it works fine enough |
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independent56 |
https://imgur.com/a/a4VdeBw |
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independent56 |
I built structure for a station |
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independent56 |
What is the command for testing the placeent of a schem? |
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erlehmann |
just activate rollback |
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erlehmann |
then rollback yourself lol |
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sfan5 |
rollback doesn't apply to that |
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erlehmann |
i stand corrected |
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erlehmann |
sfan5, is it bc placement is not associated to a player |
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sfan5 |
probably |
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erlehmann |
i think i remember griefers making their griefings rollback safe like that damn |
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erlehmann |
like first fucking up a place then planting trees |
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erlehmann |
and tree can not be rolled back |
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independent56 |
Trees were used in 2b2t as the opposite of destruction. And a tree takes less effort to make then to destroy by hand XD |
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MinetestBot |
[git] TurkeyMcMac -> minetest/minetest: Use defined evaluation order in profiler 1b664dd https://git.io/JDSAM (2021-12-19T16:03:07Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Remove wrong function from lua_api.txt 0c4929f https://git.io/JDSAD (2021-12-19T16:03:16Z) |
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crabycowman123 |
Hello, can someone here help me activate my forum account? I don't seem to be receiving the activation email (I've checked my spam folder). |
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gry |
whats your forum username. i'm not an admin but i think if there is a forum admin here they will want to know |
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crabycowman123 |
crabycowman123 |
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crabycowman123 |
same as IRC |
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gry |
ok thanks |
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Jason232 |
changing creative mode in my world.wt didn't affect anything upon server restart, no errors in log. no hearts for damage. |
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Jason232 |
damage is also enabled. ideas? |
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rubenwardy |
Jason232: revoke the creative priv from yourself |
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rubenwardy |
/revokeme creative |
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Jason232 |
rubenwardy: brainfart |
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Jason232 |
thanks |
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celeron55 |
crabycowman123: i activated the account, but please make sure that your email doesn't have typos |
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crabycowman123 |
celeron55: thank you |
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rubenwardy |
lol, ninja'd |
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crabycowman123 |
celeron55: There is no typo in my email, should I be concerned that I haven't received any emails from Mnetest Forums? Could it be a problem with Gmail? |
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Jason232 |
actually, i change the config file, restarted server, revoked creative, and player still has no hearts? |
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Jason232 |
no fall damage either. |
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Jason232 |
does a new world need to be created from scratch and started without creative mode? |
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independent56 |
theremay be an "enable_damage". Set it to false? |
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celeron55 |
crabycowman123: gmail isn't very predictable, you're basically dealing with an uncontrollable AI |
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celeron55 |
but i would suppose if you just registed you might get the email some hours late, eventually |
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celeron55 |
registered* |
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crabycowman123 |
Lol, I've been meaning to move away from Gmail for a while, but I haven't gotten around to it. |
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erlehmann |
crabycowman123 how about you do it now |
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celeron55 |
i keep gmail behind an email forwarding service that i can make forward to anything else once gmail becomes unusable, but regrettably in some places i have used a bare gmail address |
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erlehmann |
celeron55 better do it the other way around? |
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erlehmann |
i migrated from gmail a long time ago by having everything from gmail autodownloaded to the new mail host |
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independent56 |
Ijust made a portonmail account and check my gmail every fortnight. |
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erlehmann |
automation is the key here |
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celeron55 |
erlehmann: think of a situation where gmail becomes unusable and disables other hosts from fetching mail |
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celeron55 |
i can just make a mailbox on whatever and configure my email forwarding service to route my emails there |
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celeron55 |
if you have any mail being sent directly to gmail, gmail will then eat those emails and you have no way to get them |
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celeron55 |
worst case is if you have user accounts tied to that gmail address |
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erlehmann |
celeron55 i am not sure if i made myself clear here. my approach is two-pronged: first, forward your mails elsewhere. second, set up a cron job or whatever. if gmail disables you fetching mail via imap it is no longer usable anyway. |
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erlehmann |
that way all new mail goes to non-gmail, effective immediately. and the cron job takes care of the legacy. |
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erlehmann |
also use offlineimap to fetch your mails btw |
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celeron55 |
i've built really bad habits over the years once my personal server broke down, i used to have all emails downloaded onto it but now i don't download emails onto anything offline |
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celeron55 |
i should really fix that some day |
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erlehmann |
celeron55 you can fix it today using offlineimap, i am willing to put about 20 min or so into helping you set it up if you need help. it will dupe your mails to local storage. query me if you want/need help. |
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celeron55 |
it's not really a question of what to use, it's more of a question of where would i run it |
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celeron55 |
for "offline" to be possible, it needs to physically be somewhere, either owned or as a service; i'd rather own it but i don't have a suitable reliable setup - and services always seem super temporary |
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erlehmann |
for offline to be possible you run offlineimap on your own computer |
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celeron55 |
i'm going to still live for half a century, speccing a machine to last that long hurts my brain |
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erlehmann |
no need to spec it to last that long |
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erlehmann |
just run it on several machines |
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erlehmann |
also my i remind you that i run minetest on a thinkpad t60 still |
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erlehmann |
and typing on one lol |
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erlehmann |
just get a computer with a name that is similar to a russian tank |
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erlehmann |
it will last as long |
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celeron55 |
maybe i should just print all email on paper |
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erlehmann |
nah |
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erlehmann |
have you read “fine structure” by qnmt? |
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celeron55 |
never heard of such |
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erlehmann |
far future scifi, the backups to resume calculations after a civilizational crash are punched into giant metal plates in the story |
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erlehmann |
https://qntm.org/structure |
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erlehmann |
celeron55, the story “ra” resonated a lot with playing minetest for me https://qntm.org/ra |
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celeron55 |
seems interesting, i'll at least add it to my "read sometime" list |
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celeron55 |
anyway, how i think about email is more about information flow than information storage |
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celeron55 |
i want the flow to work, and care less about storing it |
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celeron55 |
i'm not a perfectionist, i always brutally prioritize |
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celeron55 |
i believe i won't be very upset if i lose all my email history |
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celeron55 |
it would be inconvenient, but i can always ask again |
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celeron55 |
which reminds me, i should backup email contacts |
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celeron55 |
of course, ironically, the easiest way to do that is to just download all the emails |
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celeron55 |
i guess i'll look at offlineimap - if it's easy to use and quickly copies all of my gmail content onto this machine i certainly don't mind |
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erlehmann |
offlineimap is easy to set up and kinda slow |
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erlehmann |
i believe mbsync/isync is faster but i never got it to work |
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Jason232 |
creativ_mode false enable_damage true, creative privs revoked from player, player still shows no health and takes no damage. ideas? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> if your looking at a file, creative is spelled wrong |
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sfan5 |
there also needs to be an equals sign |
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Jason232 |
'll copy and paste to elimate chat problems |
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Jason232 |
creative_mode = false |
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Jason232 |
enable_damage = true |
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Jason232 |
directly from file, shouldn't be any tpos i don't think |
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Jason232 |
and creative privs revoked. what else could i be missing? i've restarted the server to take changes |
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Jason232 |
no errors in the log, so i'm assuming world.mt is satisified, without typos |
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sfan5 |
sounds correct |
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sfan5 |
did you check with /privs that `creative` is indeed not there? |
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sfan5 |
any mods that might modify this behaviour? |
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Jason232 |
i typed /revokeme creative |
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Jason232 |
and /plrivs doesn't list it. |
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Jason232 |
and what's an easy way to find out what mods if any enable creative mode? |
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Jason232 |
cat and grep config files recursively? |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> grep -r creative_mode /mods |
