Time Nick Message 00:28 GreenXenith Hey all! There are 3 days left for the Minetest GAME JAM! Start wrapping up and submit whatever you have before Dec. 22 (UTC), even if it isn't quite done (mark as WIP). Make sure to add your packages and releases to the ContentDB with the `Jam / Game 2021` tag! 01:54 Guest89 Looking for some assistance with a map load issue. I made a post in the forum but asking here as well. When i launch a local map, it immediately shows shutting down. The debut.txt: 2021-12-18 19:36:19: ERROR[Main]: A serialization error occurred: 01:54 Guest89 2021-12-18 19:36:19: ERROR[Main]: ServerEnvironment::loadMeta(): EnvArgsEnd not found! 01:54 Guest89 2021-12-18 19:36:19: ERROR[Main]: The server is probably running a different version of Minetest. 01:54 Guest89 2021-12-18 19:36:19: ACTION[Main]: Server: Shutting down 01:54 Guest89 2021-12-18 19:36:19: ERROR[Main]: In thread 1: 01:54 Guest89 2021-12-18 19:36:19: ERROR[Main]: /tmp/minetest/src/serverenvironment.cpp:e9: createIntroductionTimesString: A fatal error occurred: attempted to query on non fully set up LBMManager 01:55 MTDiscord are you trying to use a 5.5 map in 5.4? 01:55 Guest89 Not sure if my last msg was xmitted. Got kicked. 01:55 Guest89 5.4.1 01:55 Guest89 Same version I created the map with. 01:55 MTDiscord env_meta.txt got corrupted 01:55 MTDiscord happens from time to time 01:55 Guest89 Anything I can do about it? 01:56 MTDiscord MT rewrites that file frequently, and it apparently doesn't do "safe" writes consistently 01:56 MTDiscord it'll get corrupted 01:56 MTDiscord if you've got a backup, restore from backup. If not, just make a new separate world with a new env_meta.txt file and copy that one into the world with the corrupted one. 01:56 Guest89 Ok. Thanks. I'll give it a ttry. 01:56 MTDiscord if you can remember the gametime and time of day (unlikely without a backup) you can try to restore them. Otherwise, some mechanics that depend on persistent server time may be frozen. 01:57 MTDiscord No idea what games/mods use those, other than NodeCore. 01:58 Guest89 Sweet. That worked! Thanks for the tip! 01:58 Guest89 I didn't have it backed up. At least it was a simple fix. 01:58 MTDiscord Time of day gets reset (no biggie), total gametime gets reset (maybe biggie?) and LBM introduction times get reset (I have no clue what the impact is, but probably only affects existing map areas...?) 01:59 MTDiscord Always back up your important worlds, if you can ;-) 01:59 Guest89 Non-issues at this time. At least all my work is still there. 01:59 Guest89 I've only been playing for about 28 hrs, so still learning. 02:00 Guest89 Just download MT about 28 hrs ago. 02:00 Guest89 I'll use your advice going forward. Thank you. 02:03 MTDiscord Oh, that's pretty harsh to see this corruption in only 28 hours of playing. I've seen it like 2 times in the past 3 years, and I run a couple of servers and have like a handful of SP worlds... 05:45 cheapie Huh, spam in ContentDB notifications. That's new. 12:28 independent56 Lets say i had selected a building with worldedit. I want to move it across the map. Is there a clipboard for worldedit, where you can do //copy to put buildings in, and //paste to paste into a selection? 12:37 erlehmann independent56, save it as a schematic, thank me later 12:51 independent56 Thanks, i was hoping i wouldn't have to do that 12:51 independent56 But i guess it works fine enough 13:05 independent56 https://imgur.com/a/a4VdeBw 13:05 independent56 I built structure for a station 13:16 independent56 What is the command for testing the placeent of a schem? 13:31 erlehmann just activate rollback 13:31 erlehmann then rollback yourself lol 13:31 sfan5 rollback doesn't apply to that 13:35 erlehmann i stand corrected 13:36 erlehmann sfan5, is it bc placement is not associated to a player 13:36 sfan5 probably 13:36 erlehmann i think i remember griefers making their griefings rollback safe like that damn 13:36 erlehmann like first fucking up a place then planting trees 13:36 erlehmann and tree can not be rolled back 13:45 independent56 Trees were used in 2b2t as the opposite of destruction. And a tree takes less effort to make then to destroy by hand XD 16:04 MinetestBot 02[git] 04TurkeyMcMac -> 03minetest/minetest: Use defined evaluation order in profiler 131b664dd https://git.io/JDSAM (152021-12-19T16:03:07Z) 16:04 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Remove wrong function from lua_api.txt 130c4929f https://git.io/JDSAD (152021-12-19T16:03:16Z) 19:38 crabycowman123 Hello, can someone here help me activate my forum account? I don't seem to be receiving the activation email (I've checked my spam folder). 19:39 gry whats your forum username. i'm not an admin but i think if there is a forum admin here they will want to know 19:39 crabycowman123 crabycowman123 19:39 crabycowman123 same as IRC 19:39 gry ok thanks 19:43 Jason232 changing creative mode in my world.wt didn't affect anything upon server restart, no errors in log. no hearts for damage. 19:43 Jason232 damage is also enabled. ideas? 19:43 rubenwardy Jason232: revoke the creative priv from yourself 19:44 rubenwardy /revokeme creative 19:44 Jason232 rubenwardy: brainfart 19:44 Jason232 thanks 19:44 celeron55 crabycowman123: i activated the account, but please make sure that your email doesn't have typos 19:45 crabycowman123 celeron55: thank you 19:45 rubenwardy lol, ninja'd 19:48 crabycowman123 celeron55: There is no typo in my email, should I be concerned that I haven't received any emails from Mnetest Forums? Could it be a problem with Gmail? 19:48 Jason232 actually, i change the config file, restarted server, revoked creative, and player still has no hearts? 19:48 Jason232 no fall damage either. 19:50 Jason232 does a new world need to be created from scratch and started without creative mode? 19:53 independent56 theremay be an "enable_damage". Set it to false? 19:53 celeron55 crabycowman123: gmail isn't very predictable, you're basically dealing with an uncontrollable AI 19:54 celeron55 but i would suppose if you just registed you might get the email some hours late, eventually 19:54 celeron55 registered* 19:54 crabycowman123 Lol, I've been meaning to move away from Gmail for a while, but I haven't gotten around to it. 20:01 erlehmann crabycowman123 how about you do it now 20:03 celeron55 i keep gmail behind an email forwarding service that i can make forward to anything else once gmail becomes unusable, but regrettably in some places i have used a bare gmail address 20:17 erlehmann celeron55 better do it the other way around? 20:17 erlehmann i migrated from gmail a long time ago by having everything from gmail autodownloaded to the new mail host 20:18 independent56 Ijust made a portonmail account and check my gmail every fortnight. 20:18 erlehmann automation is the key here 20:22 celeron55 erlehmann: think of a situation where gmail becomes unusable and disables other hosts from fetching mail 20:23 celeron55 i can just make a mailbox on whatever and configure my email forwarding service to route my emails there 20:23 celeron55 if you have any mail being sent directly to gmail, gmail will then eat those emails and you have no way to get them 20:24 celeron55 worst case is if you have user accounts tied to that gmail address 20:24 erlehmann celeron55 i am not sure if i made myself clear here. my approach is two-pronged: first, forward your mails elsewhere. second, set up a cron job or whatever. if gmail disables you fetching mail via imap it is no longer usable anyway. 20:25 erlehmann that way all new mail goes to non-gmail, effective immediately. and the cron job takes care of the legacy. 20:25 erlehmann also use offlineimap to fetch your mails btw 20:26 celeron55 i've built really bad habits over the years once my personal server broke down, i used to have all emails downloaded onto it but now i don't download emails onto anything offline 20:26 celeron55 i should really fix that some day 20:39 erlehmann celeron55 you can fix it today using offlineimap, i am willing to put about 20 min or so into helping you set it up if you need help. it will dupe your mails to local storage. query me if you want/need help. 20:42 celeron55 it's not really a question of what to use, it's more of a question of where would i run it 20:44 celeron55 for "offline" to be possible, it needs to physically be somewhere, either owned or as a service; i'd rather own it but i don't have a suitable reliable setup - and services always seem super temporary 20:46 erlehmann for offline to be possible you run offlineimap on your own computer 20:46 celeron55 i'm going to still live for half a century, speccing a machine to last that long hurts my brain 20:46 erlehmann no need to spec it to last that long 20:46 erlehmann just run it on several machines 20:46 erlehmann also my i remind you that i run minetest on a thinkpad t60 still 20:47 erlehmann and typing on one lol 20:47 erlehmann just get a computer with a name that is similar to a russian tank 20:47 erlehmann it will last as long 20:47 celeron55 maybe i should just print all email on paper 20:47 erlehmann nah 20:48 erlehmann have you read “fine structure” by qnmt? 20:48 celeron55 never heard of such 20:48 erlehmann far future scifi, the backups to resume calculations after a civilizational crash are punched into giant metal plates in the story 20:49 erlehmann https://qntm.org/structure 20:49 erlehmann celeron55, the story “ra” resonated a lot with playing minetest for me https://qntm.org/ra 20:52 celeron55 seems interesting, i'll at least add it to my "read sometime" list 20:53 celeron55 anyway, how i think about email is more about information flow than information storage 20:53 celeron55 i want the flow to work, and care less about storing it 20:54 celeron55 i'm not a perfectionist, i always brutally prioritize 20:55 celeron55 i believe i won't be very upset if i lose all my email history 20:55 celeron55 it would be inconvenient, but i can always ask again 20:56 celeron55 which reminds me, i should backup email contacts 20:57 celeron55 of course, ironically, the easiest way to do that is to just download all the emails 21:06 celeron55 i guess i'll look at offlineimap - if it's easy to use and quickly copies all of my gmail content onto this machine i certainly don't mind 21:25 erlehmann offlineimap is easy to set up and kinda slow 21:25 erlehmann i believe mbsync/isync is faster but i never got it to work 22:52 Jason232 creativ_mode false enable_damage true, creative privs revoked from player, player still shows no health and takes no damage. ideas? 23:01 MTDiscord if your looking at a file, creative is spelled wrong 23:03 sfan5 there also needs to be an equals sign 23:05 Jason232 'll copy and paste to elimate chat problems 23:05 Jason232 creative_mode = false 23:05 Jason232 enable_damage = true 23:05 Jason232 directly from file, shouldn't be any tpos i don't think 23:06 Jason232 and creative privs revoked. what else could i be missing? i've restarted the server to take changes 23:06 Jason232 no errors in the log, so i'm assuming world.mt is satisified, without typos 23:55 sfan5 sounds correct 23:56 sfan5 did you check with /privs that `creative` is indeed not there? 23:56 sfan5 any mods that might modify this behaviour? 23:58 Jason232 i typed /revokeme creative 23:58 Jason232 and /plrivs doesn't list it. 23:58 Jason232 and what's an easy way to find out what mods if any enable creative mode? 23:59 Jason232 cat and grep config files recursively? 23:59 MTDiscord grep -r creative_mode /mods