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IRC log for #minetest, 2021-12-03

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00:24 MTDiscord <exe_virus> Hey all in the IRC world, I started an unofficial minetest podcast, First ep is live: https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=XZlpxAXZkSHGKsq6v30QaTLssWN8lLGWKPf7  repo is here: https://github.com/ExeVirus/nodecast
00:25 MTDiscord <exe_virus> More releases coming every 1st and 3rd friday of the month (that's the plan), feel free to leave feedback wherever
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00:40 erlehmann exe_virus cool, do you also cover drama and/or anarchy servers?
00:40 erlehmann exe_virus where is the feed?
00:41 MTDiscord <exe_virus> rss feed? never used it
00:41 MTDiscord <exe_virus> but I can learn
00:41 MTDiscord <exe_virus> I will cover as wide a range as possible though
00:41 MTDiscord <exe_virus> I want to capture all of minetest usage
00:41 erlehmann use atom feed
00:41 erlehmann atom is the successor of rss
00:42 erlehmann i can help you if you need tech support generating it
00:42 erlehmann i used to make a podcast
00:42 erlehmann see here for an example http://warumnicht.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/wn-8.html
00:42 erlehmann i hope it still works
00:44 erlehmann exe_virus look at if you want to know how a feed is structured http://warumnicht.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/feed.atom
00:45 MTDiscord <exe_virus> thank you. gotta make dinner first, but I do want to learn
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01:10 epoch you can get atom feeds out of github by putting .atom at the end of some URLs.
01:10 epoch but I figure they wouldn't be compatible with... podcast clients or whatever they're called
01:11 epoch https://github.com/ExeVirus/nodecast/commits/master.atom
01:12 erlehmann epoch those are feeds of commits, they are perfectly compatible. but for a podcast you need an <atom:enclosure> element
01:13 erlehmann which gh does not generate afaik
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01:13 epoch "compatible, but not"
01:14 MTDiscord <Warr1024> You could commit a podcast feed directly into the git repo and link to it by branch, but that seems like a really awkward process.  And one I swear I have totally never done before.  Honest.
01:15 erlehmann epoch compatible, but contains no audio files
01:15 erlehmann commits are not podcasts
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01:15 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Those GH atom feeds are suitable for a news reader but a podcast client that's specifically trying to do podcasty things can't download and queue up audio based on it.
01:17 epoch I figure a good spot to put the atom feed for the podcasts would be in the repo so this path would work: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ExeVirus/nodecast/master/episodes/feed.atom
01:17 epoch and it could be generated at commit-time and link to the raw.githubusercontent versions of the mp3s
01:18 MTDiscord <Warr1024> I wouldn't say I 100% "recommend" the idea of rolling your own scripts to build atom/rss feeds from a metadata file, but I've used a process like that before and it's not actually as bad as it sounds, and if you're self-hosting and don't have some fancy package to do that for you, it's tolerable.
01:18 epoch I guess they're not putting the mp3s directly into the repo though
01:18 MTDiscord <Warr1024> hosting the mp3's themselves directly from raw.githubcontent.com seems a bit shaky though ... like the kind of thing they're going to have some kind of limit on that will sneak up on you like 3 episodes in...
01:19 MTDiscord <Warr1024> IIRC GH has repo size limits on free public repos, but I don't remember what they are.  A podcast will probably not take very long to hit that though.
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01:20 epoch https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38768454/repository-size-limits-for-github-com says 1GB and 5GB
01:21 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Sadly that cloud file host link takes you to a page where you can download the file, not directly to the file, so podcast clients are not gonna like that either.
01:31 erlehmann yes it is not a podcast
01:31 erlehmann unless you can automatically subscribe to it via a feed
01:32 erlehmann I 100% "recommend" the idea of not rolling your own scripts entirely, but using mostly stuff that others have written like Warr1024 and me.
01:34 epoch I 100% "recommend" rolling your own scripts entirely, but I'm very picky about my dog food.
01:34 epoch and I have more fun making dog food.
01:37 MTDiscord <Warr1024> I basically roll my own scripts if I know my use-case is narrow enough that a cheap hack will suffice, and it's going to be cheaper than shopping for an existing tool.  There's surprisingly a lot of work in just researching existing crap, and no guarantee that I'll end up with something that's more convenient to use than just hand-editing atom feed markup in mousepad.
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02:45 MTDiscord <exe_virus> hurm. Direct file hosting sites would be a later upgrade if there's enough traction
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17:37 MTDiscord <MisterE> I know its anathema to use Google, but could you distribute on google podcasts?
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17:52 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Try not to use google ... look for another provider ... "oh this one's a bit more expensive, but at least it's not google" ... everything's works fine for a while ... one day there's a massive GCP outage affecting multiple customers ... your podcast provider's network goes down at the same time ... 🤔
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19:34 jonadab For something like a podcast, you'd want to distribute via as many different services as possible, I'd think.
19:35 jonadab Though you'd likely keep ones that cost money to a minimum if you aren't made out of rich.
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19:47 erlehmann jonadab nah, you only need one subscribe url
19:48 erlehmann if it's any good, ppl will put that into whatever service they use to import it
19:54 celeron55 that's not how people work these days, everyone hangs to some proprietary platform of their choice and insists everyone posts there
19:55 celeron55 it's funny how everyone outright refuses to save data, even lists of urls, on their local machine
20:00 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Thankfully raw file hosting is fairly easy and really cheap, a little server goes a long ways for static content
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20:50 erlehmann celeron55 “everyone hangs to some proprietary platform of their choice and insists everyone posts there” – it's the saddest with chat platforms. they mostly push around short strings, and the smartest ppl behind almost everything but matrix and xmpp it put in a lot of effort into not delivering the strings to the competition :(
20:51 erlehmann signal is particularly sad lol
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20:51 erlehmann moxie marlinspike is not only against decentralization, but also pushed some cryptocurrency on to signal users lol
20:52 erlehmann you know you get scammed when an app not for cryptocurrency purposes suddenly has its own shitcoin ^^
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