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00:12 MinetestBot [git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest: Update to Android target SDK 30 (#11746) 51cfb57 https://git.io/JM3t9 (2021-11-27T00:10:13Z)
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03:48 cheapie New Luacontroller program for people to play with, a sort of outdoor lighting controller thing: https://gist.github.com/cheapie/2039ae3274e7d629adf377b7777520d1
03:50 cheapie Expects a digistuff advanced touchscreen on the channel "touchscreen", a blinky plant on any pin is recommended, and other channels for optional devices will be mentioned during the hardware setup wizard. Output to the lights is on the digilines channel "light" (for digilines dimmable lights and such) or via mesecons on any pin aside from the one used by the blinky plant.
03:52 cheapie Supports (in addition to turning the lights on/off manually) control based on light level, in-game time, real-life time, or remotely over the internet by fetching the desired state from a server.
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05:40 cheapie Huh, minetest.net actually renders kinda okay on that web browser someone made in a Luacontroller a few years ago.
05:43 cheapie ...which then promptly broke when I asked it to render a larger page.
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08:07 Chpy0 Im frightened
08:09 definitelya Chances are, what or who frightens you is scared more than you are. :D
08:09 definitelya lmao
08:09 Chpy0 are those croopers afraid of me
08:10 Chpy0 maybe they're actually defending their territory that you're stealing
08:10 definitelya big think
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09:55 ebrasca How to start a server with a subgame with a terminal?
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10:40 ROllerozxa ebrasca: --gameid argument
10:40 ROllerozxa see the manpage
10:41 ebrasca I get 'Game "mineclone2" not found'
10:42 ROllerozxa do you have mineclone2 installed to where the minetest server can find it?
10:45 MTDiscord <j45> do --gameid list if mineclone2 isnt there, it wouldnt be a valid value for --gameid <game>
10:45 ebrasca I think yes
10:47 ebrasca there is MineClone2
10:48 ebrasca but when I join the game
10:48 ebrasca it is only void!
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11:06 ebrasca MTDiscord: Thank you I figured the last problem , the world does generate correctly.
11:07 ebrasca ROllerozxa: thanks!
11:27 ebrasca Do you have some tips for setting the server settings?
11:39 ebrasca I am interested where are all the setings I can change documented!
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11:59 calcul0n ebrasca, there's a minetest.conf example in the sources : https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example
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12:50 MTDiscord <j45> lol im j45 not MTDiscord
12:50 ROllerozxa ok MTDiscord
12:50 MTDiscord <j45> xD
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20:41 definitelya rip github?
20:41 ROllerozxa rip github.
20:41 MTDiscord <j45> github is down D:
20:41 definitelya ae
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20:43 MTDiscord <Jonathon> Lol
20:44 definitelya son of a bee
20:50 MTDiscord <Jonathon> Sfan5 probably pushed to many commits :p
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20:51 definitelya erle what did you DO?
20:52 erlehmann definitelya when?
20:53 definitelya github is offline
20:57 celeron55 nice job m$
20:58 definitelya microbesoft
20:58 celeron55 obviously, www.minetest.net doesn't work either, being hosted on github pages
20:59 ROllerozxa github pages still works, actually
20:59 ROllerozxa at least for me. idk, might be cached
20:59 MTDiscord <Jonathon> Works for me
20:59 celeron55 now it works
20:59 MTDiscord <j45> GH pages is "experiencing degraded performance"
20:59 ROllerozxa downloads used to work, now it 500s as well
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21:00 definitelya bruh
21:01 sfan5 at least they didn't break gh pages
21:01 ROllerozxa prob because github pages is basically just static pages being spread across CDNs
21:01 sfan5 well who knows maybe they're talented enough to also break it
21:02 MTDiscord <j45> at least they didnt break gh pages yet
21:02 ROllerozxa hmm for how decentralized git is, github sure is a centralized monolith
21:02 erlehmann git.minetest.land still works you clowns :D
21:03 ROllerozxa great let's migrate the entirety of github onto git.minetest.land :)
21:03 definitelya I reiterate: erle what did you DO??? /s
21:04 sfan5 uh oh github pages is actually broken too
21:04 MTDiscord <Jonathon> Maybe its a intern again
21:05 ROllerozxa it's always the interns isn't it
21:05 erlehmann ROllerozxa, it's a risk spread strategy. if you all host stuff on a lot of small git hosts, then your risk is basically like a house fire. maybe one house burns down, but not all of them will burn at the same time. if you all use one huge centralized platform, the risk is more like an earthquake: either no one gets hit or, rarely, everyone has problems at once.
21:05 MTDiscord <j45> www.minetest.net is still working for me 🙂
21:06 sfan5 try https://www.minetest.net/downloads/
21:06 MTDiscord <j45> spoke too soon i guess
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21:16 MTDiscord <j45> yay gh pages is back
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21:41 erlehmann meanwhile https://git.minetest.land/user/sign_up
21:43 MTDiscord <Jonathon> meanwhile
21:43 MTDiscord <Jonathon> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/914270130354139206/unknown.png
21:43 MTDiscord <exe_virus> Yay local git repo
21:43 MTDiscord <j45> codespaces too now
21:43 MTDiscord <j45> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749727888659447960/914270328555986944/unknown.png
21:44 ROllerozxa what is codespaces anyways
21:44 erlehmann exe_virus TODOs in source >> github issues ;)
21:44 MTDiscord <Jonathon> todos in sources >> prevent certain people spamming issues
21:45 erlehmann gosh who would ever do that
21:46 MTDiscord <Jonathon> oh, idk, probably the same type of person that spams dev irc
21:46 cheapie BuckarooBanzai: Well, since GitHub is having... problems, this is the reply to your comment that I was in the process of typing at the time: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/lightcontroller-comment.txt
21:46 erlehmann i did actually want to make an issue about clearing up all the boundary issues and offering to do it
21:46 MTDiscord <luatic> I like having TODO in sources :D
21:46 cheapie BuckarooBanzai: Also a copy of the code itself is here: https://cheapiesystems.com/media/lightcontroller2.lua
21:47 MTDiscord <luatic> Minetest has a couple TODOs in it's sources too
21:47 cheapie Also I'm much easier to get a hold of here anyway, I don't pay attention all that much to GH stuff.
21:48 erlehmann the recent bitop thing with the two's complement ub error, what is the story behind that?
21:48 MTDiscord <luatic> The neat thing about TODO comments in code is that they already have proper context. They are also independent of the repo hosting used.
21:48 MTDiscord <luatic> Where is there an UB?
21:48 MTDiscord <luatic> The Lua bitop lib is a fairly standard one, it should have no issues.
21:48 erlehmann there is a comment in the source, wait for it
21:49 erlehmann oh maybe it was implementation defined
21:49 MTDiscord <luatic> In fact it is LuaJIT's: https://bitop.luajit.org/
21:49 MTDiscord <luatic> So if you were running LuaJIT - which you probably were, unless you didn't care about performance - you already had that module.
21:49 erlehmann uh i run builtin lua
21:50 erlehmann but also i do not do bitwise ops
21:50 erlehmann i can show you the shameful thing i did
21:50 erlehmann for the colors
21:51 MTDiscord <luatic> show it
21:53 erlehmann so i want to have ARRRRRGGGGGBBBBB bits, converted from 24bit RGB
21:53 definitelya yes show it! xD
21:53 definitelya I'm out
21:54 MTDiscord <luatic> only a single alpha bit?
21:54 MTDiscord <luatic> RIP semitransparency
21:54 MTDiscord <luatic> not that it every lived within MT
21:54 * cheapie looks over at the mess that is https://cheapiesystems.com/git/digistuff/tree/gpu.lua#n38 , speaking of colors
21:54 cheapie ...or, well, the whole file, really.
21:55 erlehmann +colorword = 32768 +
21:55 erlehmann +((math.floor((previous_r * max_sample_out / max_sample_in) + 0.5)) * 1024) +
21:55 erlehmann +((math.floor((previous_g * max_sample_out / max_sample_in) + 0.5)) * 32) +
21:55 erlehmann +((math.floor((previous_b * max_sample_out / max_sample_in) + 0.5)) * 1)
21:55 erlehmann basically that luatic
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21:55 MTDiscord <luatic> 32768 -> should be 0x...........
21:55 erlehmann uh what
21:55 MTDiscord <luatic> use hex notation
21:55 erlehmann did i botch it
21:55 MTDiscord <luatic> more readable
21:55 MTDiscord <luatic> did you?
21:56 erlehmann absolutely not
21:56 erlehmann it kinda works
21:56 MTDiscord <luatic> I'd use 2^5, 2^10 etc instead of hardcoding the numbers; I'd also have a function do the depth rescaling
21:56 MTDiscord <luatic> I mean, those numbers are "hard" either way xD
21:57 MTDiscord <luatic> But 2^x shows the intention, shifting something by 5 bits
21:57 MTDiscord <luatic> otherwise I have to calculate log2(num) to find out by what you're shifting
21:57 erlehmann well, then i'd have to use math.pow inline?
21:57 erlehmann which is a function call
21:57 MTDiscord <luatic> No
21:57 erlehmann ok show how
21:57 MTDiscord <luatic> Lua has a^b syntax
21:57 MTDiscord <luatic> You can just use it that way
21:57 erlehmann oh i did not know
21:58 erlehmann ; lua
21:58 erlehmann Lua 5.1.5  Copyright (C) 1994-2012 Lua.org, PUC-Rio
21:58 erlehmann > 2^5
21:58 erlehmann stdin:1: unexpected symbol near '2'
21:58 erlehmann oh ok
21:58 erlehmann > print(2^5)
21:58 erlehmann 32
21:58 MTDiscord <luatic> Did you know that you can use #("string") to get string length BTW?
21:59 erlehmann thank you
21:59 sfan5 !c 2^5
21:59 MinetestBot 7
21:59 sfan5 🤔
21:59 erlehmann luatic in shell, obv
21:59 erlehmann !c 1^-1
21:59 MinetestBot -2
21:59 erlehmann !c sqrt(2)
21:59 MinetestBot NameError: name 'sqrt' is not defined
22:00 erlehmann sfan5, what kind of sorcery is this
22:00 MTDiscord <luatic> sfan5: It's doing xor
22:00 MTDiscord <luatic> this is Python
22:00 erlehmann oh lol
22:00 MTDiscord Command sent from Discord by Luatic:
22:00 MTDiscord !c 2**5
22:00 MinetestBot 32
22:00 sfan5 yes
22:00 erlehmann !c from random import random
22:00 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
22:00 erlehmann !c 1+exit(1)
22:00 MinetestBot NameError: name 'exit' is not defined
22:00 erlehmann !c 1+sys.exit(1)
22:00 MinetestBot NameError: name 'sys' is not defined
22:00 MTDiscord <luatic> OFC erlehmann is trying to break it now
22:01 sfan5 I am positive it is not breakable
22:01 MTDiscord <luatic> It has a timeout set? Memory limit?
22:01 erlehmann sfan5, show source
22:01 MTDiscord <luatic> What about Python / library bugs?
22:01 MTDiscord <luatic> You can never be sure that it isn't breakable
22:02 sfan5 I didn't say 100% sure
22:02 MTDiscord Command sent from Discord by Luatic:
22:02 MTDiscord !c [1 for i in range(1, 1000000000)]
22:02 MinetestBot MTDiscord: Took to long to calculate
22:02 MTDiscord <luatic> The timeout is there
22:02 erlehmann python standard library is funny bc broken
22:03 MTDiscord <luatic> Wonder whether it's possible to fill up the memory before the time limit is exceeded
22:03 erlehmann In [1]: from base64 import b64decode
22:03 erlehmann In [2]: b64decode('V=m=g=')
22:03 erlehmann Out[2]: b'Vh'
22:03 MTDiscord <luatic> wow
22:03 sfan5 that only gets you anything if it has effects other than raising a memory error
22:03 erlehmann i think everyone here knows that “V=m=g=” is not valid base64
22:04 erlehmann (this is what you get if you do not validate your inputs)
22:04 MTDiscord <luatic> MT's base64 is officially superior to Python's
22:04 MTDiscord <luatic> The other day I was wondering whether parsing Lua might take quadratic time in the worst case
22:05 erlehmann make strings
22:05 erlehmann billion laughs
22:07 erlehmann !c __import__('sys').exit(1)
22:07 MinetestBot erlehmann: Sorry, double underscores are not allowed.
22:07 erlehmann well well well
22:08 MTDiscord <luatic> What if you use exec?
22:08 MTDiscord Command sent from Discord by Luatic:
22:08 MTDiscord !c exec
22:08 MinetestBot NameError: name 'exec' is not defined
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22:08 erlehmann !c eval
22:08 MinetestBot NameError: name 'eval' is not defined
22:08 erlehmann luatic those are statements
22:08 MTDiscord <luatic> no?
22:09 sfan5 wasn't exec a function? but doesn't matter, it's not defined
22:09 MTDiscord <luatic> exec is a function
22:09 MTDiscord <luatic> I was a expecting <builtin function exec> as output
22:09 MTDiscord Command sent from Discord by Luatic:
22:09 MTDiscord !c globals()
22:09 MinetestBot NameError: name 'globals' is not defined
22:12 erlehmann !c < .
22:12 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
22:15 erlehmann !c [lambda x: x*x for x in range(10)]
22:15 MinetestBot [<function <listcomp>.<lambda> at 0x7f1429507840>, <function <listcomp>.<lambda> at 0x7f1429507950>, <function <listcomp>.<lambda> at 0x7f14295079d8>, <function <listcomp>.<lambda> at 0x7f1428210730>, <function <listcomp>.<lambda> at 0x7f14282106a8>, <function <listcomp>.<lambda> at 0x7f1428210048>, <function <listcomp>.<lambda> at 0x7f14282101e0>, <function <listcomp>.<lambda> at 0x7f14282100d0>, <function <listcomp>.<lambda> at 0x7f14
22:16 erlehmann i think we are getting somewhere
22:17 erlehmann !c [lambda x: x*x for x in x(x)]
22:17 MinetestBot NameError: name 'x' is not defined
22:17 erlehmann !c [lambda x: x*x for x in x()]
22:17 MinetestBot NameError: name 'x' is not defined
22:17 erlehmann ah well
22:17 erlehmann luatic would you please figure out the resource exhaustion attack?
22:18 erlehmann !c [lambda x: x*x for x in range(1<<31)]
22:18 MinetestBot erlehmann: Took to long to calculate
22:18 erlehmann i see
22:18 erlehmann !c os
22:18 MinetestBot NameError: name 'os' is not defined
22:18 erlehmann !c time()
22:18 MinetestBot NameError: name 'time' is not defined
22:19 erlehmann i'll stop now
22:20 Krock erlehmann: MTB also works in /query
22:21 erlehmann Krock, thanks, but i lost motivation. i just wanted to figure out if it is *easily* breakable.
22:21 erlehmann i have some PR to do
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22:21 Krock you're kinda late for that tho. MTB already exists for a long time and should be pretty robus
22:22 erlehmann Krock as robust as minetest itself? ;)
22:22 Krock I guess
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22:23 definitelya robobust
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22:27 erlehmann Krock, if it is “as robust as minetest”, it's probably easily crashable by someone putting 20 to 30 min of effort into it
22:27 erlehmann idc though, it's an irc bot
22:28 erlehmann you only win bragging rights
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22:47 DivideByZero Hello folks.  Rcently I started getting this error when trying to run minetest:  2021-11-27 17:44:55: ERROR[Main]: Game [] could not be found.
22:48 sfan5 no games at all installed?
22:48 DivideByZero Doesn't it come with a default game? What happened to that?  I only tried updating and there used to be a game.
22:50 sfan5 depends on how you downloaded/installed it
22:50 DivideByZero using git
22:51 DivideByZero git pull https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git
22:51 DivideByZero I have been updating it with that line
22:52 DivideByZero Previously kept it working and using latest version.
22:52 erlehmann DivideByZero, do you have devtest game?
22:53 DivideByZero How do I check that? The GUI won't load.
22:53 sfan5 try minetest --version first and see what it says about RUN_IN_PLACE
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22:53 DivideByZero ok.. one moment.
22:54 sfan5 you might have to grab https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game too
22:54 DivideByZero Shall I post the results here?
22:54 sfan5 sure
22:54 DivideByZero It's multiline, do you need it all or just the first line?
22:54 sfan5 pastebin all for good measure
22:54 DivideByZero ok
22:56 DivideByZero https://pastebin.com/uP5ntDDR
22:56 sfan5 ok, system-wide installation
22:57 sfan5 do you know if you had a system-wide install before?
22:57 sfan5 but anyway you can  git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game games/minetest_game  and it should work
22:57 DivideByZero Yes, I've been running it this way for over a year now.
22:57 DivideByZero But recently it stopped working, and today is the first day I had time to deal with it.
22:58 DivideByZero Do I do that inside the minetest git folder?
22:58 sfan5 yes
22:59 DivideByZero ok, thank you for the support. I'll do that now, and report back if it worked.
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23:03 DivideByZero The games error disapeared but I am getting a different error.
23:03 DivideByZero terminate called after throwing an instance of 'LuaError'
23:03 DivideByZero what():  Runtime error from mod '' in callback run(): /home/rick/minetest/bin/../builtin/async/init.lua:7: attempt to call local 'func' (a string value)
23:11 sfan5 the files on disk mismatch the version of Minetest you are running
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23:13 DivideByZero Should I just delete everything and git clone it fresh?
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23:22 erlehmann for the record, i hate the work that the faulty minetest.find_nodes_in_area() bug fix creates so much. it is, again, way too close to the actual map boundaries.
23:23 erlehmann as said before, i'll make a proposal to fix the map boundary mess in the next few days, with the goal of not introducing any more bugs this time.
23:27 DivideByZero I deleted both minetest and irrlicht and got them both again. Irrlicht was success, but this following command gives an error about irrlicht, though it should be pointing to it..
23:28 DivideByZero cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=FALSE -DIRRLICHT_LIBRARY=$PWD/../irrlicht/lib/Linux/libIrrlichtMt.a -DIRRLICHT_INCLUDE_DIR=$PWD/../irrlicht/include
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23:29 DivideByZero IrrlichtMt is required to build the client, but it was not found.
23:31 DivideByZero I confirm both those do exist.
23:31 sfan5 sounds like you haven't built in a while because that way of pointing to irrlicht doesn't work anymore
23:31 DivideByZero That's true.
23:32 DivideByZero What new way should I be using instead?
23:32 sfan5 http://sprunge.us/TDh8lq this'd work
23:33 DivideByZero Ok, I'll try that.
23:33 DivideByZero I'll remove everything and start over with this.
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23:50 DivideByZero It's working now. :D  Thank you very much sfan5
23:50 sfan5 np
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