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cheapie |
specing: This one? https://cheapiesystems.com/git/digistuff/tree/nic.lua |
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erlehmann |
is texmex reachable here? |
| 02:25 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> @tacotexmex ^ |
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erlehmann |
Jonathon, is tacotexmex reachable here? |
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MTDiscord |
<SolarShrine> haven't heard from taco for quite a while |
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erlehmann |
fleckenstein said he would take over git.minetest.land |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> he gave it up? |
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erlehmann |
which i find concerning, given a friend of mine complained about cheatdb being down a lot |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> oh yeah, nevermind |
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Menchers |
why does minetest insist on using its old bundled lua when ENABLE_LUAJIT is false? |
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Menchers |
it doesn't even try to use the system wide lua |
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Menchers |
oh, I can just remove cmake/Modules/FindLua* |
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Menchers |
why's it override the system versions anyways |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Because we use Lua 5.1, and upgrading to lua 5.4 can't be done with LuaJIT |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> If you write mods using lua 5.4 code, you will be writing mods that don't work for the majority of players |
| 12:11 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> And the benefits of luaJIT outweigh the costs of being stuck on lua 5.1. Hopefully someday someone makes a somewhat worse, but updated luaJIT that tracks the main Lua branch or something. Maybe someone could make Lua target LLVM and use their JIT optimizations |
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erlehmann |
lua 5.1, 5.2, 5.3 are all inncompatible right |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Yes |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> The 5.1 - 5.2 incompatibility is pretty minor though |
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erlehmann |
it's still stupid |
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erlehmann |
having backwards-incompatibilities in minor versions |
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erlehmann |
ppl should have the honesty to increase the major number then |
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erlehmann |
i mean, i know the argument against it which goes “oh but then i would increase the major number all the time and that looks bad” |
| 12:51 |
erlehmann |
yeah, it does |
| 12:52 |
erlehmann |
the best devs i have seen are not the ones who constantly cry about “legacy”, but the ones who find smart ways to support both newer and older stuff, without increasing their maintenance burden in any undue amount (they are usually pretty proud of that, too) |
| 12:53 |
erlehmann |
but a lot of ppl can't write forward-compat software |
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erlehmann |
minetest is actually amazing in that way i think |
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specing |
Minetest is so amazing that half the players are stuck on the previous major version |
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MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> well that's partially due to mobile forks |
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erlehmann |
Sublayer plank also debian |
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MTDiscord |
<Sublayer plank> debian is debian |
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MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Thanks to Minetest's dependenciy flexibility, it's easy to compile Minetest master with Debian stable. |
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independent56 |
How can i make world-specific descriptions? I have been thinking of running a no mans land server for while, but would like world-specific descriptions. |
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independent56 |
Can someone give me an example command for starting a server on another game? |
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independent56 |
Imight as well ask inside the forums |
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independent56 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=27433 |
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sfan5 |
!tell independent56 if you have a system wide install you can use --world, --config and --gameid to choose different stuff; if not you can just create a copy of your folder |
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MinetestBot |
sfan5: yeah, sure, whatever |
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MinetestBot |
independent56: Nov-07 22:24 UTC <sfan5> if you have a system wide install you can use --world, --config and --gameid to choose different stuff; if not you can just create a copy of your folder |
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independent56 |
What is one of the most effective horizantal mining stratery in your opinion? |
| 22:26 |
independent56 |
sfan5 Thanks! |
| 22:27 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Most effective is the H pattern |
| 22:27 |
independent56 |
Explain? |
| 22:27 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> You should expose the most surface area |
| 22:27 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> So you dig a straight tunnel first |
| 22:27 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> And have offshoots every 3 nodes |
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independent56 |
mm-mhh |
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independent56 |
https://imgur.com/a/mLRgWik |
| 22:28 |
independent56 |
Like this? |
| 22:28 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> 0001000 11111111111 0001000 0001000 11111111111 0001000 |
| 22:28 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> 1's are hallways |
| 22:29 |
independent56 |
I learnt from minecraft articles, but i thought Minetest would have a seperate stratergy. |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Nah basically the same, we have different ore spawn sizes though |
| 22:29 |
independent56 |
Ah, makes sense |
| 22:29 |
independent56 |
Minecraft has veins, we have bubbles |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> So depending on the ore you are hunting for, the hallway spacing changes |
| 22:30 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Yeah, we have cuboids |
| 22:30 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Best to look up mapgen.lua for your game or wherever ores are registered |
| 22:30 |
independent56 |
Is the most effective vertical minshaft a two block wide hole with ladders on one side? |
| 22:31 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> I use a single shaft, with ladders sporadically, and then /spawn or /home back up |
| 22:31 |
independent56 |
Ah |
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independent56 |
I like to have an unbroken ladder for some element of realism |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Time vs realism |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> I am a dad now, so time>>>>>>realism |
| 22:32 |
independent56 |
Haha |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> While you are here, I have a quick question |
| 22:33 |
independent56 |
Yes? |
| 22:33 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> I've seen you around a decent bit in general, are you mostly a player or modder or server person? |
| 22:33 |
independent56 |
I am a player of my own server |
| 22:33 |
independent56 |
I am a wiki person. My server is just a place for me to make a wiki about ;-) |
| 22:34 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Gotcha, which server? |
| 22:34 |
independent56 |
http://56i.duckdns.org/dokuwiki/doku.php/orphaned_pages |
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independent56 |
Have a look at all my pages |
| 22:34 |
independent56 |
164 non-orphaned pages |
| 22:34 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Will do soon enough (long story short I'm making a minetest podcast) |
| 22:35 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> I want to know if we could do an audio interview sometime in the next couple months, I figure I might as well ask a wide range of people |
| 22:35 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> I already got Benrob to do one, and currently penciling in Hughes Ross, etc. Etc. |
| 22:36 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> It would be 20-30 minutes likely about you and your experiences with minetest, and probably a lot about your wiki if it's about minetest |
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independent56 |
Ohh, i will need to hear some episodes before i sacrifice my voice |
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independent56 |
I am a teenager who's voice frequently cracks |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Haha, fair. My voice sucks |
| 22:36 |
independent56 |
Maybe it's a better choice to for me to write a script and you narrate it |
| 22:37 |
independent56 |
I prefer writing over speaking any day. |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> No no, it's best to have bad voices too |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> I also heavily edit out pauses, ohs, uhms, etc. |
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MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> So you'll sound plenty good |
| 22:38 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> But yeah I can shoot you a link to the pending episode one release |
| 22:38 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Got an email or something I can contact you with less directly public? (Don't want episode out in the wild yet, haha) |
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independent56 |
Eh, i would like you to readout a script in a British accent |
| 22:38 |
independent56 |
Thank you, i would like one |
| 22:39 |
independent56 |
Yeah, 56independent protonmail.com |
| 22:39 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Lol, if that's what you want, I'll do it. I'll propose a method to that email and the link later (after I make dinner) |
| 22:40 |
independent56 |
I won't release it |
| 22:41 |
independent56 |
I understand |
| 22:42 |
independent56 |
I hate time zones. I had dinner hours ago (i'm GMT) |
| 22:42 |
independent56 |
It was quite an early dinner |
| 22:43 |
independent56 |
Do one with GCPF and Y5NW as well, i would like to hear theirvoices |
| 22:43 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Lol, well you aren't giving your voice now are you? |
| 22:43 |
independent56 |
Dammit |
| 22:43 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Anyways, we'll talk about it later, the timezone is helpful, thank you |
| 22:45 |
independent56 |
What's your timezone? |
| 22:45 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> EST |
| 22:45 |
independent56 |
Ah, makes sense |
| 22:46 |
independent56 |
Sometimes i'm not GMT, like a few weeks ago, when i was in BST :-p |
| 22:46 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> It'll be from a Gmail address, I gotta make one for the podcast anyways, probably nodecastgmail.com |
| 22:46 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> But we'll see if that is available |
| 22:48 |
independent56 |
And what i meant with "Have a look at all my pages" was not to read them X(, but to see the vast wealth of paage names. |
| 22:52 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Haha, I might do both |
| 22:53 |
independent56 |
Don't. A lot of pages are now archaic. They will lower your IQ. |
| 22:53 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> I wanted to do an episode about everything there is to experience in minetest, but that'll have to wait a few months because I keep finding more things |
| 22:53 |
independent56 |
haha |
| 22:54 |
independent56 |
I'd like a sheet of questions i am likely to be asked as well. |
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independent56 |
Goodnight all |
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definitelya |
night Minetesters |
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