Time Nick Message 01:38 cheapie specing: This one? https://cheapiesystems.com/git/digistuff/tree/nic.lua 02:24 erlehmann is texmex reachable here? 02:25 MTDiscord @tacotexmex ^ 02:43 erlehmann Jonathon, is tacotexmex reachable here? 02:45 MTDiscord haven't heard from taco for quite a while 02:46 erlehmann fleckenstein said he would take over git.minetest.land 02:46 MTDiscord he gave it up? 02:46 erlehmann which i find concerning, given a friend of mine complained about cheatdb being down a lot 02:46 MTDiscord oh yeah, nevermind 04:27 Menchers why does minetest insist on using its old bundled lua when ENABLE_LUAJIT is false? 04:27 Menchers it doesn't even try to use the system wide lua 04:50 Menchers oh, I can just remove cmake/Modules/FindLua* 04:50 Menchers why's it override the system versions anyways 12:09 MTDiscord Because we use Lua 5.1, and upgrading to lua 5.4 can't be done with LuaJIT 12:09 MTDiscord If you write mods using lua 5.4 code, you will be writing mods that don't work for the majority of players 12:11 MTDiscord And the benefits of luaJIT outweigh the costs of being stuck on lua 5.1. Hopefully someday someone makes a somewhat worse, but updated luaJIT that tracks the main Lua branch or something. Maybe someone could make Lua target LLVM and use their JIT optimizations 12:37 erlehmann lua 5.1, 5.2, 5.3 are all inncompatible right 12:50 MTDiscord Yes 12:50 MTDiscord The 5.1 - 5.2 incompatibility is pretty minor though 12:50 erlehmann it's still stupid 12:51 erlehmann having backwards-incompatibilities in minor versions 12:51 erlehmann ppl should have the honesty to increase the major number then 12:51 erlehmann i mean, i know the argument against it which goes “oh but then i would increase the major number all the time and that looks bad” 12:51 erlehmann yeah, it does 12:52 erlehmann the best devs i have seen are not the ones who constantly cry about “legacy”, but the ones who find smart ways to support both newer and older stuff, without increasing their maintenance burden in any undue amount (they are usually pretty proud of that, too) 12:53 erlehmann but a lot of ppl can't write forward-compat software 12:53 erlehmann minetest is actually amazing in that way i think 12:56 specing Minetest is so amazing that half the players are stuck on the previous major version 12:56 MTDiscord well that's partially due to mobile forks 13:27 erlehmann Sublayer plank also debian 13:28 MTDiscord debian is debian 13:44 MTDiscord Thanks to Minetest's dependenciy flexibility, it's easy to compile Minetest master with Debian stable. 18:38 independent56 How can i make world-specific descriptions? I have been thinking of running a no mans land server for while, but would like world-specific descriptions. 18:50 independent56 Can someone give me an  example command for starting a server on another game? 19:40 independent56 Imight as well ask inside the forums 19:50 independent56 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=27433 22:24 sfan5 !tell independent56 if you have a system wide install you can use --world, --config and --gameid to choose different stuff; if not you can just create a copy of your folder 22:24 MinetestBot sfan5: yeah, sure, whatever 22:25 MinetestBot independent56: Nov-07 22:24 UTC if you have a system wide install you can use --world, --config and --gameid to choose different stuff; if not you can just create a copy of your folder 22:26 independent56 What is one of the most effective horizantal mining stratery in your opinion? 22:26 independent56 sfan5 Thanks! 22:27 MTDiscord Most effective is the H pattern 22:27 independent56 Explain? 22:27 MTDiscord You should expose the most surface area 22:27 MTDiscord So you dig a straight tunnel first 22:27 MTDiscord And have offshoots every 3 nodes 22:27 independent56 mm-mhh 22:28 independent56 https://imgur.com/a/mLRgWik 22:28 independent56 Like this? 22:28 MTDiscord 0001000 11111111111 0001000 0001000 11111111111 0001000 22:28 MTDiscord 1's are hallways 22:29 independent56 I learnt from minecraft articles, but i thought Minetest would have a seperate stratergy. 22:29 MTDiscord Nah basically the same, we have different ore spawn sizes though 22:29 independent56 Ah, makes sense 22:29 independent56 Minecraft has veins, we have bubbles 22:29 MTDiscord So depending on the ore you are hunting for, the hallway spacing changes 22:30 MTDiscord Yeah, we have cuboids 22:30 MTDiscord Best to look up mapgen.lua for your game or wherever ores are registered 22:30 independent56 Is the most effective vertical minshaft a two block wide hole with ladders on one side? 22:31 MTDiscord I use a single shaft, with ladders sporadically, and then /spawn or /home back up 22:31 independent56 Ah 22:31 independent56 I like to have an unbroken ladder for some element of realism 22:32 MTDiscord Time vs realism 22:32 MTDiscord I am a dad now, so time>>>>>>realism 22:32 independent56 Haha 22:32 MTDiscord While you are here, I have a quick question 22:33 independent56 Yes? 22:33 MTDiscord I've seen you around a decent bit in general, are you mostly a player or modder or server person? 22:33 independent56 I am a player of my own server 22:33 independent56 I am a wiki person. My server is just a place for me to make a wiki about ;-) 22:34 MTDiscord Gotcha, which server? 22:34 independent56 http://56i.duckdns.org/dokuwiki/doku.php/orphaned_pages 22:34 independent56 Have a look at all my pages 22:34 independent56 164 non-orphaned pages 22:34 MTDiscord Will do soon enough (long story short I'm making a minetest podcast) 22:35 MTDiscord I want to know if we could do an audio interview sometime in the next couple months, I figure I might as well ask a wide range of people 22:35 MTDiscord I already got Benrob to do one, and currently penciling in Hughes Ross, etc. Etc. 22:36 MTDiscord It would be 20-30 minutes likely about you and your experiences with minetest, and probably a lot about your wiki if it's about minetest 22:36 independent56 Ohh, i will need to hear some episodes before i sacrifice my voice 22:36 independent56 I am a teenager who's voice frequently cracks 22:36 MTDiscord Haha, fair. My voice sucks 22:36 independent56 Maybe it's a better choice to for me to write a script and you narrate it 22:37 independent56 I prefer writing over speaking any day. 22:37 MTDiscord No no, it's best to have bad voices too 22:37 MTDiscord I also heavily edit out pauses, ohs, uhms, etc. 22:37 MTDiscord So you'll sound plenty good 22:38 MTDiscord But yeah I can shoot you a link to the pending episode one release 22:38 MTDiscord Got an email or something I can contact you with less directly public? (Don't want episode out in the wild yet, haha) 22:38 independent56 Eh, i would like you to readout a script in a British accent 22:38 independent56 Thank you, i would like one 22:39 independent56 Yeah, 56independent@protonmail.com 22:39 MTDiscord Lol, if that's what you want, I'll do it. I'll propose a method to that email and the link later (after I make dinner) 22:40 independent56 I won't release it 22:41 independent56 I understand 22:42 independent56 I hate time zones. I had dinner hours ago (i'm GMT) 22:42 independent56 It was quite an early dinner 22:43 independent56 Do one with GCPF and Y5NW as well, i would like to hear theirvoices 22:43 MTDiscord Lol, well you aren't giving your voice now are you? 22:43 independent56 Dammit 22:43 MTDiscord Anyways, we'll talk about it later, the timezone is helpful, thank you 22:45 independent56 What's your timezone? 22:45 MTDiscord EST 22:45 independent56 Ah, makes sense 22:46 independent56 Sometimes i'm not GMT, like a few weeks ago, when i was in BST :-p 22:46 MTDiscord It'll be from a Gmail address, I gotta make one for the podcast anyways, probably nodecast@gmail.com 22:46 MTDiscord But we'll see if that is available 22:48 independent56 And what i meant with "Have a look at all my pages" was not to read them X(, but to see the vast wealth of paage names. 22:52 MTDiscord Haha, I might do both 22:53 independent56 Don't. A lot of pages are now archaic. They will lower your IQ. 22:53 MTDiscord I wanted to do an episode about everything there is to experience in minetest, but that'll have to wait a few months because I keep finding more things 22:53 independent56 haha 22:54 independent56 I'd like a sheet of questions i am likely to be asked as well. 23:01 independent56 Goodnight all 23:23 definitelya night Minetesters