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Swift110-mobile |
hey all |
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lx_noble |
im working on a mod and I have registered a tool, in the documentation for the modding api, it says there is a field when registering the tool called "sounds" and it says "-- Definition of items sounds to be played at various events." But what are all the events that can be used? is it only the 2 shown? |
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lx_noble |
https://minetest.gitlab.io/minetest/definition-tables/#item-definition |
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lx_noble |
I can make a sound play on_use but then that doesnt allow the tool to be used to attack or pickup items |
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erlehmann |
<independent_> second question: What are some common tactics to reduce mapblock laod time from servers? |
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erlehmann |
easy answer, figure out if you have huge mapblocks |
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erlehmann |
some mods *cough* mineclone2 *cough* have worse performance characteristics than others |
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lx_noble |
how do i play a sound on_use but still retain the default functions of the tool eg. attacking and breaking nodes |
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MinetestBot |
[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetestmapper: Fix ZstdDecompressor error check f471554 https://git.io/JEA5L (2021-09-02T09:45:17Z) |
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independent__ |
Are worldedit regions propertyof the player or server? Do players have individual worldedit regions? Does the server have some madter worldedit region? |
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sfan5 |
per-player |
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independent__ |
Ah. So they are for each player and stored on the server (i often leave and reneter and i can carry on working on my builds) |
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independent__ |
Oh, and newspawn is at the stage where i can do "//stack 4 -14 0 0", and get a street done in low time |
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independent__ |
*//stack2 |
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independent__ |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27208&p=399853#p399853 takes my words and turns them on their head. I couldn'thelp but laugh |
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sfan5 |
easy tip: stop replying |
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independent__ |
Thats what i intend to do. "I refuse to speak with such a troll. I would rather administrate my server then reply to arbituary strings of text." |
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independent__ |
I have came in, highlighted the holes in their armour, and now i intend on running away on the holes screaming due to he ugliness of this beast |
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sfan5 |
independent__: no no, I mean literally stop replying |
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sfan5 |
not even with that text |
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independent__ |
So, you mean, here as well?! |
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sfan5 |
heh |
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independent__ |
Sorry, i meant "running away on the hills" |
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independent__ |
Looking at the two most recent replies, the topic has degraded from a nice and gentle disccusionabout fag and "ohh look at me i'm so smart" |
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independent__ |
*about fog |
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independent__ |
*and has degraded to |
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independent__ |
I have made streets. How do i use all the space? https://imgur.com/a/SatLFqb |
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kilbith |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27208&p=399855#p399855 |
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kilbith |
there's basically no moderation on this damned forum |
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sfan5 |
factually false |
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kilbith |
why they aren't banned yet? |
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sfan5 |
they were on a temporary ban until yesterday |
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sfan5 |
why wasn't it longer / why not again? dunno, it'll be discussed internally I'm sure |
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kilbith |
well that's BS |
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kilbith |
actually the forums should be buried since we have Discord + CDB now |
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independent__ |
wrong. The forums are essential for minetest. Discord should be buried |
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kilbith |
moreover it costs money to let the trolls and creepy people posting |
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independent__ |
it also costs money to allow regular people to post |
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independent__ |
I have made streets. How do i use all the space? https://imgur.com/a/SatLFqb |
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independent__ |
Argh, dammit! i killed spawn with worldedit stack, and now the town square is down. I have to restore it |
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lx_noble |
I asked this question last night, how can i make a sound play on_use in a tool without overriding the ability to attack and mine items |
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sfan5 |
hm, I think the case is that on_use can't prevent punching or digging from happening |
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sfan5 |
did you try just invoking sound_play and returning |
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sfan5 |
? |
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lx_noble |
i did the sound_play on_use and it would play the sound when i punched but I couldnt attack mobs and I couldnt pick up items that were on the ground |
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sfan5 |
hm |
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lx_noble |
wait, I might not have returned |
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lx_noble |
nope, i added a return and its still doing the same thing |
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lx_noble |
https://ibb.co/QJ3LcDd |
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sfan5 |
okay I checked the client code and presence of on_use prevents the normal stuff tools usually do |
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sfan5 |
maybe after_use would fit your usecase better? |
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lx_noble |
that doesnt even play the sound |
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sfan5 |
might work only for digging then |
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lx_noble |
Yeah, it does play the sound after digging a block |
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lx_noble |
sound = { |
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lx_noble |
-- Definition of items sounds to be played at various events. |
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lx_noble |
-- All fields in this table are optional. |
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lx_noble |
breaks = <SimpleSoundSpec>, |
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lx_noble |
-- When tool breaks due to wear. Ignored for non-tools |
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lx_noble |
eat = <SimpleSoundSpec>, |
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lx_noble was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected. Use a pastebin like paste.ubuntu.com. |
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lx_noble |
https://pastebin.com/gUY1fLDV are there any other events that can be used here other than breaks and eat? |
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sfan5 |
nope, they'd be documented otherwise |
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sfan5 |
having a callback for after a tool was used is fundementally possible but it looks like the script API doesn't have an easy way to do it |
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sfan5 |
what would be good idea however is just adding support for a sound to be played on tool use, would be good idea to open a feature request for it |
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lx_noble |
So the only way to play a sound when I click the punch button, (other than checking on the global step for the button press) is on_use? |
| 13:47 |
lx_noble |
Yeah, ill do that |
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sfan5 |
you want to cover every possible use of the tool and play a sound when it is used, right? |
| 13:48 |
lx_noble |
just when the tool hits an object, (node, player, mob, item, etc.) |
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lx_noble |
basically exactly how on_use does it |
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lx_noble |
but still be able to mine and attack |
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sfan5 |
node -> register_on_punchnode, player -> register_on_punchplayer, lua entities -> hard, technically you'd need to intercept all calls to <entity>:on_punch... |
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sfan5 |
having use sounds supported by the engine is definitely the better alternative here |
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lx_noble |
Indeed |
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lx_noble |
sfan5 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11586 |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> I'm starting to think that this ymmv guy is just a Markov chain... |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If there is actually a ymmv then ywwv is I suppose the wario-world evil alter version of them. |
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erlehmann |
ymmv is a really funny shitposter but i wonder why that account did not get banned so fr |
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erlehmann |
far |
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erlehmann |
i think everyone who writes posts that read like GPT-3 wrote them should be banned, regardless if they are actually a bot |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I would not ban someone for what looks to me like lack of mastery of the English language, as long as they're at least trying. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Some of the other content is obviously pretty borderline too, but they're at least somewhat on-topic so it's hard to justify a permaban. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Probably if they keep skirting close to the threshold and earn themselves enough tempbans then it may escalate at that point... |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> skrrt skrrt skrrt |
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erlehmann |
i liked this one https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27183 |
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erlehmann |
where wuzzy says that coords need privs |
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erlehmann |
and then ymmv “I dont like this change. you are taking away features and putting them behind micro transactions . its morally incorrect” |
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erlehmann |
“I dont think that server owners should come up with ideas anymore. they have too many incentives.” |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> that last one is however accurate# |
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erlehmann |
“morally incorrect” is what is called a “tortured phrase” |
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erlehmann |
i.e. if you read a post about artificial intelligence and it says “counterfeit consciousness”, it could be that it was written by some kind of fully automated word salat factory |
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erlehmann |
even though “counterfeit consciousness” seems pretty metal |
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erlehmann |
> this is the first step. first they take it away from you. then later it gets sold back. because its a "new" (old ) feature. and nobody on top gets blamed . becuase its just individual server owners doing it. but I know they are being . bribed . there is big money in this |
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erlehmann |
seriously, if this is not the grandkid of mark v chaney, it is either satire or someone trolling HARD |
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erlehmann |
> they're boiling the frog slowly. they all have their group chats and private discord servers. its all premediated and coordinated. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I'd put my money on troll-hard. There's just bound to be a few of those in any chat medium, i.e. someone who comes there specifically just to disagree and try to "win" arguments. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Moderation does get around to dealing with them, it's just that the forums work on a timescale that's longer than instant chat media like IRC, Discord, Matrix, etc. |
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erlehmann |
this post is very very good: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=399677#p399677 |
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erlehmann |
> I would like to abolish "air" blcoks . first of all they should have convensation and a weather system. this would make "fog" |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> One nice thing about their writing style is that it how hard the posts are to read makes it easier to manually ignore them, i.e. without even having to block them or anythign. |
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erlehmann |
i mean fleckenstein wanted to alias river water to water, so it's not *that* far out that someone wants to alias air to fog |
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erlehmann |
(wuzzy told fleck why it is a bad idea and fleck took the idea into the trash where it belongs) |
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sfan5 |
the reason is that rivers will flood terrain, wasn't it? |
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erlehmann |
yep |
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erlehmann |
river water is non-replicating |
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erlehmann |
btw, i noticed something bad about fluids recently, maybe someone can help me |
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erlehmann |
it seems that the rate at which downwards falling flowing fluids vanish when the source block goes away is the same regardless of viscosity or sth |
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erlehmann |
which basically means that lavacasting huge triangles (like on 2b2t) can not work |
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erlehmann |
does anyone have an idea how to make a fluid disappear slower? |
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jonadab |
Increase its viscosity. |
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MTDiscord |
<Noodlemire> jonadab, he literally just said that viscosity doesn't affect the rate that fluif disappears. |
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independent__ |
I wish i could argue with LLWWV or whoever they are called. Bu then i would be shunned from the communiy. I just want the feeling of beeing better then this silly guy. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> You're already automatically better than a troll if you just refuse to engage with trolls. |
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independent__ |
naw |
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Pexin |
"naw"? I don't think you understand how trolls work |
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Pexin |
https://xkcd.com/386/ |
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freshreplicant[m |
I don't think they are a shitposter or troll. They really seem like they are undergoing some heavy duty psychological issues. Regularly spiral out into delusions of grandeur. It's pretty sad to watch and doesn't do the forum any favours. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Well to be fair "troll" is itself merely syndromic, i.e. just a collection of outward symptoms, and not really diagnostic. A lot of people engage in destructive behavior because of some underlying problem. Unfortunately the fact that they have a legit excuse for that behavior doesn't stop it from being destructive. |
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independent__ |
now i feel bad for highlighting their trolliness :-/ |
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independent__ |
Pexin, I do understand, it just feels nice knowing i am wasting my time wasting their time. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Well, that's one of the reasons why it's best to just avoid engaging with them. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Sometimes the best thing you can do is just keep your distance because any kind of involvement is very likely only going to make things worse. |
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freshreplicant[m |
I usually think of a troll as somebody who's self aware and intentionally effecting certain behaviour to get a rise out of others, but maybe that's not the more common definition. |
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freshreplicant[m |
It's definitely destructive and I've reported them several times to no effect. I don't want to silence anyone, but it tough encountering this type of situation on the forum and knowing that this isn't an environment where anyone is equipped to deal with or help somebody experiencing what they are going through. It's also not pleasant for anyone coming across this type of behaviour. |
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rubenwardy |
erlehmann: they've been temp banned twice so far |
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INFO[Main]: Client packetcounter (30s): sum=3229 avg=107.633/s |
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sfan5 |
mineclone2, doing nothing, no other players, no significant amount of mobs nearby |
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sfan5 |
needless to say this doesn't look like well optimized at all |
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independent__ |
Ok... i am now getting the new laptop ready to become my minetest server |
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independent__ |
One question. How can i make the command "sudo reboot; bash ./startup.sh" work? |
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sfan5 |
you can't |
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Krock: thanks for your fast reply yesterday, I ended up using the pipeworks api to create the fake player |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> which is better for fighting: the steel sword or the bronze sword? |
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<MadKamel> I should think that if not the same, the bronze |
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MTDiscord |
<MadKamel> Isn't bronze usually just slightly better than steel? |
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MTDiscord |
<Noodlemire> By the looks of it, at least by default, they are nearly identical for combat. However, Steel is a little more durable. Other than that, they have the same damage and swing speed. |
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kakuhen |
On the Minetest download page, a package for Homebrew is shown, but there is also a package available on MacPorts |
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kakuhen |
Would it be possible to include this in the webpage? AFAIK it is informally maintained and currently targets 5.4.1 |
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kakuhen |
by "informally maintained" I mean there is no de jure maintainer, but several people come in and update it as needed |
