| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
Noclip[m] |
Mhh, how does something like minetest.after work without multithreading? Wouldn't you need a seperate thread to run the timer or does this work without a timer? |
| 00:00 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> minetest.after is actually in builtin, written entirely in lua, you can see the code |
| 00:01 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> lua is of course itself not simultaneous-multithreading |
| 00:01 |
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| 00:02 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The single-threaded behavior of Lua is actually really convenient for dispatch work, which is what these sorts of HLL's are mostly employed for, since it means you don't have to worry about memory safety. |
| 00:03 |
Noclip[m] |
Warr1024: Are you already using Emacs then? xDD |
| 00:03 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Ha, nah, I've actually never written in a lisp I didn't write myself :-) |
| 00:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> lisps are like one of the easiest construct to use to whip up a domain-specific language |
| 00:05 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> they're great for stuff like expression trees and you can strictly limit even the most primitive operations, such as loops, so you can purposefully make them turing incomplete so that you don't have to worry about the halting problem. |
| 00:05 |
Noclip[m] |
Warr1024: That's why the Guix package manager uses the lisp dialect Scheme. |
| 00:05 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> So I use them as a language to enter stuff like math formulas, boolean expressions and such. |
| 00:06 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Lua and Javascript are both heavily inspired by Scheme. |
| 00:06 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Scheme is a language few use, but many use its descendants |
| 00:06 |
Noclip[m] |
Is Javascript also a minimalistic language (like Scheme and Lua)? |
| 00:07 |
Noclip[m] |
Scheme is often described as a language to to create itself. |
| 00:07 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> JS is a lot more hairy than Lua, but it's also a lot sugarier, e.g. with async/await and arrow functions. Like Lua, it has some hacks to make imperative/OOP styles work better, but it's functional at its deepest level. |
| 00:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Scheme is more pure functional, though, I think, while JS and Lua are much more hybrid. |
| 00:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Ha, I'm getting a little tempted now to try to add actual macros to my next lisp dialect :-) |
| 00:09 |
Noclip[m] |
Why do many people hate JavaScript? |
| 00:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> For me, macros are the one thing about lisp that I miss in other languages, and ironically I've never even used them. I just know what they are and what they can do enough that I'm aware of the pain of not having them now. |
| 00:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> People mostly hate javascript because of web browsers |
| 00:10 |
Noclip[m] |
Is JS somehow less secure than other languages? |
| 00:10 |
Noclip[m] |
* Is JS somehow less secure than other scripting languages? |
| 00:11 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> For most of its early life JS was just used to write shitty code to try to add mouse hover effects to all the "under construction" gifs that everybody's website basically was during the 90's and every browser had a different API so you had to do all this BS to figure out what dialect you needed to speak to each browser, but you generally had to write all of this into a single program for all of them. |
| 00:12 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I don't see much reason why JS should be less secure than other languages of its level. You don't have the constant buffer overrun threats and such that you get with stuff like C, so it's a little easier to write secure code, but of course, people will always find new ways to make mistakes. |
| 00:12 |
Noclip[m] |
So it's mainly the browser implementations which cause the issues and not the language itself? |
| 00:13 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The language hasn't always been great, but it's always had good bones. For a while it was being held back by browsers using it as a battleground to try to control standards, but it seems like now the dust has mostly settled and it's actually moving forward now. |
| 00:18 |
Noclip[m] |
Warr1024: Why do you do this:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/6429bf06ef79d281c767f76e95fa9853d06714a0) |
| 00:18 |
Noclip[m] |
Instead of just this?: |
| 00:18 |
Noclip[m] |
minetest.registered_chatcommands.gm = minetest.registered_chatcommands.gm |
| 00:18 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I wanted /gm to be an alias for /givemenu, but only if something else wasn't already using /gm |
| 00:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> A = A or B basically means "if A is truthy then leave it alone, but if not then assign B to it" |
| 00:19 |
Noclip[m] |
Correction: |
| 00:19 |
Noclip[m] |
minetest.registered_chatcommands.gm = minetest.registered_chatcommands.givemenu |
| 00:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If I just do gm = givemenu basically then it will overwrite any other gm command |
| 00:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If someone installs the General Motors mod that uses a chatcommand or something, I'd want to respect that by default. |
| 00:19 |
Noclip[m] |
Ahh I see, I didn't consider that something else could already use /gm ... |
| 00:20 |
Noclip[m] |
Warr1024: And why the minetest.after(0, ? |
| 00:21 |
Noclip[m] |
Isn't that pointless? |
| 00:21 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> ah, right, because if something else is using /gm, it might load after my mod |
| 00:21 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> "after 0" basically pushes something onto the "after" queue to run at the next tick |
| 00:22 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> "after X" means "run this thing after at least X time has passed", since there's no way to guarantee it runs at EXACLTY that time. |
| 00:22 |
Noclip[m] |
Is that a feature of minetest.after or rather a trick? |
| 00:23 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Yeah, it's a feature |
| 00:23 |
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| 00:23 |
Noclip[m] |
Where do I find the builtin code for minetest.after? |
| 00:23 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> minetest.after is designed specifically not to run stuff that's scheduled during its run in the same tick, so you can't get the game stuck in an infinite loop with after(0) calls |
| 00:24 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/common/after.lua |
| 00:25 |
Noclip[m] |
How can I make a player execute a command from within the lua api? |
| 00:26 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> you mean simulate it as if the player entered the command? |
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| 00:26 |
Noclip[m] |
Yea |
| 00:35 |
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| 00:36 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> something like minetest.registered_chatcommands[commandname].func(playername, optionstring) |
| 00:36 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I think I actually do that in givemenu, don't I? |
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| 00:43 |
Noclip[m] |
Warr1024: Yes, you do: |
| 00:43 |
Noclip[m] |
return givecmd.func(pname, table_concat({ fields.whom, name, def.stack_max}, " ")) |
| 00:43 |
Noclip[m] |
At at the beginning you define: |
| 00:43 |
Noclip[m] |
local givecmd = minetest.registered_chatcommands.give |
| 00:44 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> ah, sounds about right |
| 00:56 |
Noclip[m] |
"<Warr1024> https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/common/after.lua" |
| 00:56 |
Noclip[m] |
-> Uff, this calls a lot of functions which I don't know. |
| 01:00 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The Programming in Lua book is quite thin, so while there's a lot of library funcs to memorize, it's less than half as bad as any other general-purpose programming language I've ever seen. |
| 01:02 |
Noclip[m] |
But not something that I could understand in 10 minutes to then understand minetest.after xD |
| 01:03 |
Noclip[m] |
Warr1024: Also the functions called seem to be minetest functions and not functions from lua itself. |
| 01:03 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Oh, hmm |
| 01:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The only MT stuff I see that stands out is register_globalstep, set_last_run_mod and get_last_run_mod, which seem pretty self-explanatory |
| 01:04 |
Noclip[m] |
This one's name sounds interesting: "function core.after(after, func, ...)" |
| 01:05 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> core = minetest |
| 01:06 |
Noclip[m] |
I guess "core" functions aren't written in lua? |
| 01:06 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> you literally are reading one that is written in lua |
| 01:08 |
Noclip[m] |
Ohh wait, it's a function definition and not a call ... me being dumb ... |
| 01:17 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Some core functions are supplied by the C++ code, many are added in builtin |
| 01:19 |
Noclip[m] |
Warr1024: They don't seem to show up in the official API documentation. Should they be avoided inside of mods? |
| 01:20 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If anything is not mentioned in the official docs then it may change at any time between MT releases, which means if you decide to use them, you may need to be prepared to change things if they break later |
| 01:20 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I accept a certain amount of risk because my dev process is fairly agile, but ymmv |
| 01:21 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> lua_api.txt does mention core in a few places |
| 01:22 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> i mean, worse case mte drops core.x(very unlikely) at the top of your mod you can just do local core = minetest to fix it |
| 01:23 |
Noclip[m] |
$ zgrep -E 'core\.' lua_api.txt.gz |
| 01:23 |
Noclip[m] |
(main menu: `core.explode_textlist_event`). |
| 01:23 |
Noclip[m] |
(main menu: `core.explode_scrollbar_event`). |
| 01:23 |
Noclip[m] |
(main menu: `core.explode_table_event`). |
| 01:24 |
Noclip[m] |
Jonathon: Is that what you mean with "a few places"? |
| 01:24 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> yes |
| 01:25 |
Noclip[m] |
How "stable" is the official lua API? |
| 01:25 |
Noclip[m] |
How often do I have to expect breaking changes? |
| 01:26 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> in theory rarely, depreciation warnings, seems like something every release, not that hard to fix though |
| 01:28 |
Noclip[m] |
Are there parts of the API which are more likely to be changed than others? |
| 01:29 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> the ones more likely to be changed are the ones people submit prs on |
| 01:29 |
Noclip[m] |
"prs"? |
| 01:29 |
Noclip[m] |
pull requests? |
| 01:29 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> yes |
| 01:30 |
Noclip[m] |
Ah |
| 01:32 |
Noclip[m] |
What's a good and short prefix for private/local mods which shouldn't conflict with public mods? "my_"? |
| 01:33 |
Noclip[m] |
Warr1024: You are using "my_" your private NCC mods, right? |
| 01:33 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> the game is namespaced |
| 01:33 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Those are actually my private server mods |
| 01:34 |
Noclip[m] |
"<Jonathon> the game is namespaced" -> What does that mean for me? |
| 01:35 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> prefix_modname |
| 01:35 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It means that mods starting with nc_ are basically reserved by me |
| 01:35 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> though obviously enforcement is a bit lax atm |
| 01:36 |
Noclip[m] |
nc = noclip (obviously) xDD |
| 01:37 |
Noclip[m] |
Is there anything my name can't be abused for? lol |
| 01:37 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> in theory, no, in practicality, probably |
| 01:38 |
Noclip[m] |
"enforcement is a bit lax atm" -> Should I read this as "there is no enforcement"? |
| 01:39 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> enforcement is contentdb staff and warr1024 beating people into submission that use it |
| 01:40 |
Noclip[m] |
lol |
| 01:40 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> scratch the first, i though cdb had namespace docs |
| 01:41 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> I would like to give something to the player when it joins the server, once per day. Does anyone knows of an easy to setup way to achieve this? |
| 01:42 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> get time, last login, if last login + 24h > current time give item |
| 01:42 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> assuming you dont want to play catch up |
| 01:43 |
Noclip[m] |
No |
| 01:43 |
Noclip[m] |
not last login |
| 01:43 |
Noclip[m] |
last time you gave it to them. |
| 01:44 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> well, i assume a player could play for 24h straight |
| 01:44 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> and defeat my simple idea |
| 01:44 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> I do this check as a join event code right? |
| 01:44 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> you would have to log the last time given and then compare |
| 01:45 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> if the player has the nos space in the inventory, will the item drop or I will not be able to give them? |
| 01:45 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> sorry, typo: "has no space in the inventoy" |
| 01:45 |
Noclip[m] |
With last login someone who would never be offline for 24h straight would never get the gift, would they? |
| 01:46 |
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| 01:46 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> correct |
| 01:46 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> how many players do you know that play 5+ hours tho? |
| 01:47 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> not to mention if a server owner has a active playerbase, doesnt cherry pick mod comiits/fix stuff find a server with 24h+ uptime |
| 01:48 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> the correct way is to log last time, join hook, and globalstep |
| 01:48 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> globalstep? absolutely not |
| 01:48 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> I have around 10 unique players daily, with around 60-70 unique logins over 15 days |
| 01:48 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> or minetest.after 1m loop |
| 01:48 |
Noclip[m] |
Jonathon: You could also just login everyday at the same time and leave after 1 minute and you would never get anything because you are only ever 23h and 59m offline ... |
| 01:48 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> I tought there were a callback for when someone joins the server? |
| 01:48 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> yes |
| 01:49 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> minetest.register_on_joinplayer(function(ObjectRef, last_login)) |
| 01:49 |
Noclip[m] |
How do you log something in a persistent way? |
| 01:49 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> on_joinplayer -> get last gift timestamp from metadata -> if no stamp, or now - last > 24h, give gift and set stamp in metadata |
| 01:50 |
Noclip[m] |
Yea, that's how you should do it. |
| 01:50 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> that means if there only greater than 24h they wont get the next gift till relog |
| 01:51 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> if a player plays for 24 hours straight, a logout is warranted |
| 01:51 |
Noclip[m] |
Can you somehow create persistent variables or do you need to write the metadata into a seperate file here? |
| 01:51 |
Pexin |
enticing players to login every day just to get daily gift smells way too much like an MMO. are we drug dealers now? |
| 01:51 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> what? |
| 01:51 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> People can make MMOs if they wish |
| 01:51 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> player metadata |
| 01:51 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Noclip^ |
| 01:52 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> players have metadata stored in the player db |
| 01:52 |
Noclip[m] |
"<Jonathon> that means if there only greater than 24h they wont get the next gift till relog" |
| 01:52 |
Noclip[m] |
-> True but that was what they were asking for. |
| 01:52 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> @GreenXenith and @wsor I guess I figued by you examples how to make the on_joinplaye, also the timestamp (I'm leaning towards last_login to avoid storing metadata in my first attempt)... how do I handle the give the item to player part properly? |
| 01:52 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> last_login is useless |
| 01:52 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> i mean, if you want this data for some reason outside of when the player is online then use mo storage |
| 01:52 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> oh, ok, so I will need to set the metadata then right |
| 01:52 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> this |
| 01:52 |
Pexin |
gifts could theoretically accumulate for weeks spent offline.. |
| 01:52 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> yes, you need to set metadata |
| 01:53 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Pexin: Not with this method |
| 01:53 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> no, there is no catch up in this code pexin |
| 01:53 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> cool, I set this on player metadata (just making sure I'm getting it right) |
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| 01:53 |
Pexin |
@GreenXenith I mean the gift mechanism can count how many 24h cycles have passed and dump 20 gifts |
| 01:53 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> Pexin: I just have a server sponsorship to conver hosting costs, and I'm going to give a on-login daily reward to those helping keep the server running... no drugs intended |
| 01:54 |
Noclip[m] |
"<GreenXenith> players have metadata stored in the player db" |
| 01:54 |
Noclip[m] |
-> And I can add whatever custom metadata to it via the API? Nice! |
| 01:54 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> (sorry for the typos, hope I'm being understood) |
| 01:54 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> minetest.register_on_joinplayer(function(ObjectRef, last_login) if not meta key then give gift, set meta key return end if metatime > 24h give gift return else set new time in meta end end) |
| 01:55 |
Pexin |
orrrr. players can get an ingame dropbox where their gifts are dumped |
| 01:55 |
wsor4035 |
lol, got that ping on matrix |
| 01:55 |
Noclip[m] |
"gifts could theoretically accumulate for weeks spent offline.." |
| 01:55 |
Noclip[m] |
-> Nahh, better add loot boxes ... |
| 01:56 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> noclip: already been done |
| 01:56 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> Amazing! Thanks. I'll try coding that. |
| 01:56 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> the "give gift" needs to mess up with the player inventory? |
| 01:56 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> yes |
| 01:56 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> else i would drop it at the players feet |
| 01:57 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> cool if the inventory is full there could be a message and a command for player to claim rewards right? |
| 01:57 |
Noclip[m] |
"orrrr. players can get an ingame dropbox where their gifts are dumped" |
| 01:57 |
Noclip[m] |
-> Makes them pay for keys to open the box! |
| 01:58 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> more complicated, but yes |
| 01:58 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> for mobs_redo's custom_attack, lua custom_attack = function( self , to_attack ) |
| 01:58 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> w |
| 01:58 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> just a key for claimable, toggle it on off when claimed |
| 01:58 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> the idea of having a mailbox would also work.. I already have the mailbox but I found no way to "search" for that one in the server |
| 01:59 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> sorry |
| 02:00 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> for mobs_redo's custom_attack, custom_attack = function( self , to_attack ) what is to_attack ? is it an objectref? and how do I get the pos of self, and how do I get the position of the object to attack? |
| 02:00 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> why use mobs_redo, just use mobkit |
| 02:00 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> I will discuss that after someone has answered my q, if they will |
| 02:01 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> or can I do pm? |
| 02:01 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> oh Ill join by irc |
| 02:02 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> i assume the mobs redo api has some attack paramaters, and it does a default one unless a custom is defined |
| 02:02 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> oh so I should go look at that |
| 02:03 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> and see how they get the pos |
| 02:04 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> whats the irc connection info? |
| 02:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> https://notabug.org/TenPlus1/mobs_redo/src/master/api.lua#L2662-L2663 |
| 02:04 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> thx! |
| 02:04 |
Noclip[m] |
Jonathon: mobs_redo vs mobkit? |
| 02:04 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> so abt that... I love mobkit, but I have tried to write mobs for it and its still a bit beyond me |
| 02:05 |
Noclip[m] |
Which one is better for which purpose? |
| 02:05 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> also, I am trying to adapt balrog to my serverand just want to get it done, balrog is already set up for mobs |
| 02:06 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> if you want to teach me to write mobkit mobs wsor, im eager to lear! |
| 02:06 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> n |
| 02:06 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> mobs_redo * a grandma can write mobs for it * laggy *bloated *overhead you dont need *not very customizable mobkit * not dead simple as filling out fields to get lame basic mobs * basically complete control * minimal overhead |
| 02:07 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> so im right in between the two: i dont have great coding skills so writing mobkit mobs is hard and they are buggy, but I want custom behavior. So I am trying to squeeze some of that from mobs |
| 02:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> I'm using this node here https://i.imgur.com/oUphqoD.png - it seems to have an inventory attached, and already has an owner (i.e., only the player can get it) - would it be easier to "send the item to that box"? or more complicated? |
| 02:08 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> I hope to eventually convert all mobs on my server over to mobkit if I get the skills to do so, but I dont have them and I dont have the time atm to painfully figure it out with trial and error atm |
| 02:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> TLDR mobkit is essentially bare metal with a simple framework on top of it for convince mobs_redo is a google forum sheet to fill out with the whole top of the line kitchen(with dead weight in the cabnits) overhead used even if you dont need it |
| 02:09 |
Noclip[m] |
Ronoaldo that probably depends on the mod?! |
| 02:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> the node is irrelevant, the mod it comes from is relevant |
| 02:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> you could be using your own fork, custom mod with same textures/model, etc |
| 02:09 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> wsor: are you willing to teach me to write mobkit mobs? |
| 02:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> makes sense |
| 02:10 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> I already have the basic understanding of how it works, kinda |
| 02:10 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> thanks for the pointers everyone, I really appreciate them ? |
| 02:10 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> MisterE: best i can do is tell you to read the manual and follow the example mods termos has made, there decently simple |
| 02:11 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> i dont have the time, sorry |
| 02:11 |
Noclip[m] |
MisterE: Maybe you should take a look at some existing mods which use mobkit? |
| 02:11 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> ronoaldo: if your lucky the mod has a api for droping the item in the mail |
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<MisterE> I have done that and had some decentish results but they were often laggy and crashed... so im not great at it... |
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<MisterE> understand wsor |
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<MisterE> so anyhow thats why im using reso |
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<MisterE> redo |
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<Jonathon> crashing is good, you get tracebacks, lag, not doing what you expect is more annoying to track down |
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Noclip[m] |
Wait, Jonathon is wsor? |
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<MisterE> well chrashes and not doing what iexpect so yeah |
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wsor4035 |
perhaps |
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you know this |
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bridge doesnt carry discord nicks or matrix nicks |
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<Ronoaldo> @wsor this is the one I have installed: https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/homedecor_modpack/-/blob/master/inbox/init.lua |
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also, i need tomute this bloddy channel from cross pings lol |
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Noclip[m] |
Well some memories come up in my head, I think I knew it once but somewhat forget it over time ... |
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*forgot |
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<MisterE> weirdly, to_attack is a position |
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<MisterE> it should be an objectref |
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<Jonathon> ronoaldo: no api, lame, you could override the item to log where the mailbox is placed, however it seems a player can have many mailboxes |
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Maybe an attack doesn't have to hit the entity which was supposed to be attacked? |
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<MisterE> could be |
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<MisterE> yeah that makes a lot of sense |
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<MisterE> thx guys! |
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<Jonathon> ronoaldo: if you want to go crazy, just override the whole mailbox to use a detached inventory that every mailbox placed by that player access thus linking them all |
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Noclip[m] |
Or a dumb mob just attacks random possitions around it in the hopes to hit anything by chance. |
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<MisterE> if I want the objref i can use self.attack |
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<Ronoaldo> hmm, that seems interesting wsor! |
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<Jonathon> however i take it your already using this mod, so migrating players with multiple mailboxes full of stuff would be interesting |
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<Ronoaldo> so when the player join, I just add to that detached inventory right? it will be accesible via any player mailbox then, am I correct? |
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<Ronoaldo> yeah.. the migration would be a problem |
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<Jonathon> no, no, you would need to override the mailbox, essentially rewriting it, then yes, yes |
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<Ronoaldo> ok got it |
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<Jonathon> but your back at square one if there mail is full ? |
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<Jonathon> i say a chat command to claim if you dont want to drop it at there feet is best idea |
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Ronoaldo: Maybe you should just implement a command or formspec which lets the player take their gift? |
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<MisterE> use an abm to convert old boxes to a new node, then remove the old node and alias it |
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<Ronoaldo> oh, you are right, the mailbox can be full lol |
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<MisterE> in the abm transfer the contents |
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<Jonathon> bloat, just make the right click event update it |
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<MisterE> true |
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<Ronoaldo> yeah, I guess the command to give if not take last 24hs seems the best route indeed, so I have less weird stuff to handle lol |
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<Jonathon> only disadvantage is they all wouldnt be synced at once |
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<Jonathon> then again, abms only work if they where all loaded at once anyways |
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<Jonathon> so no difference |
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<MisterE> well then you have to tell players to click their boxes before you can remove the old nodes |
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<MisterE> with abm you will get more coverage |
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<Ronoaldo> the only mod I ever done was this, and it was even based on another one so I'm lame at coding for the game still lol - https://github.com/ronoaldo/minenews |
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<Jonathon> you do not remove the old nodes, you override them to be the new functionality |
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<Jonathon> minetest.override_item exists |
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<MisterE> that works on nodes too? |
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<Jonathon> items is craftitems, nodes, tools, etc |
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<Jonathon> everything |
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<MisterE> not ents I guess |
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<Jonathon> correct, i think |
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<MisterE> how do I get the pos of the self of an entity? |
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<Jonathon> ent you can just overwrite, or overwrite the specific ones |
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<MisterE> self.object? |
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<Jonathon> self.object:get_pos() i think? |
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<MisterE> thx |
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do technic buttons know who pushed them? |
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<Jonathon> technic buttons? |
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<MisterE> I think that digilines buttonscan |
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Mhh, I would like to implement something fairly simple, stupid and funny as mod into mintest, I just don't know what. |
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Any good ideas? |
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<MisterE> hmm |
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<Jonathon> hello world command that blows you up? |
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<MisterE> lol |
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<MisterE> likes explosions... |
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Noclip[m] |
Explosions goes already in the right direction. |
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<Jonathon> rather easy if depending on the tnt mod as you can call tnt.boom |
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"<MisterE> likes explosions..." -> Exactly! xD |
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<MisterE> you could have a mod that checks chat for certian phrases or words and blows ppl up |
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<MisterE> with a tnt blst |
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<MisterE> you could have a severity tag to determine the size of the blast |
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<Jonathon> fliter mod but instead of muting, blow people up |
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<MisterE> yea! |
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<Jonathon> and turn off item save |
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<Jonathon> thats not really a new mod so much as a fork tho |
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<Jonathon> you could be lame and make yet another armor/tool set mod |
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<MisterE> you could make something fun: FOr one of my early mods I made concrete that is in a bucket that you can place liquid concrete and it flows and then hardens |
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<Jonathon> anyways, i guess while people are around, anyone knowledgeable on gennotify around? specifically relating to cave events as im not having much luck and it doesnt seem that anyone has used them (on github via search) |
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Mhh, I might just do a weapon. |
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<MisterE> do a special one |
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Of course one with lots of explosions ... |
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<MisterE> do a weapon that adds a tank of water on top of a player (replacing air, and after 2 min it dissapears |
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<MisterE> leaving air |
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<MisterE> or do one of water and one of lava |
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<MisterE> you could do a weapon that teleports the opponent to the nether |
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<MisterE> you could do an antigrav gun that sets the opponent's grav to 0 and then adds upwards accelleration |
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<MisterE> which then wears off after 10 sec |
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<MisterE> or 5 |
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<MisterE> you could make a mod that adds laughing gas... |
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<MisterE> which is a bottle of gas you can eat |
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Is there a way to rotate the view? |
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(I guess no) |
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<MisterE> which when you eat is, sounds of laghter eminate from you and you slowly float upwards |
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<MisterE> yes |
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<MisterE> there is |
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<GreenXenith> You can set the camera yaw and pitch |
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Noclip[m] |
Can I rotate it sideways? |
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<MisterE> no |
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<MisterE> ? |
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Noclip[m] |
Ohh that's sad. |
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<MisterE> you could use voxelmanip to rotate the entire mapblock sideways |
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<Jonathon> >begginer mod >voxelmanip >internal screaming |
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<GreenXenith> (disclaimer: that was a joke) |
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Noclip[m] |
Cause I was thinking about this: https://youtu.be/_aAqz0fVpCk |
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<GreenXenith> That can almost be done without needing to roll the camera |
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<Jonathon> if you want to make your own mapgen |
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<Jonathon> be much simplier tho if the camera wasnt as limited |
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<MisterE> you can play that with minetest right now |
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"<MisterE> you could use voxelmanip to rotate the entire mapblock sideways" |
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-> Is this even possible with the built-in mapgens or would I need a custom lua mapgen for that? |
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<MisterE> there is a fork of minetest or a mod, i forget which adds worlds planets which are 3d, and have sides |
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<MisterE> and on the sides of the planets they are like that |
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<GreenXenith> It is technically possible to use builtin mapgens if you do some seriously janky on_generated hooks |
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Noclip[m] |
Interesting! |
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<MisterE> lol |
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<MisterE> this would be weird, but it would be a fun experiment |
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GreenXenith: How much work would that be? |
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<GreenXenith> If you know what youre doing, its pretty simple |
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Noclip[m] |
"Interesting!" -> This was referring to the planets mod. |
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<MisterE> if you dont it would be a fairly long learing experience which you would come out the better for |
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GreenXenith: And if I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing? ... xDDD |
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<GreenXenith> Well, good luck |
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<MisterE> probably best to start with adding nodes that do something intseresting |
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<MisterE> maybe make nodes for making a minigame ore something |
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<GreenXenith> Catch the current chunk position on_generate, rotate the position from sideways to normal to figure out which chunk it should be, save whatever exists at this new position, delete the new chunk, force load it, copy and rotate it, restore the chunk, and paste the data to the original chunk. |
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<Warr1024> how would you handle falling_node and entity code? |
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<MisterE> programming question: I have 2 points, p1 and p2 I want to add velocity to the obj at p2 towards the obj at point 1 I had: |
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<MisterE> self.attack:add_velocity(6*vector.normalize(vector.direction(a_pos, s_pos))) |
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<Warr1024> if you have gravity wrong universally, not just for the player, then sandy beaches become a crash hazard |
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<GreenXenith> anything physicsy or watery would need some new handling |
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Noclip[m] |
Mhh, if I want to stick with the video I shouldn't rotate the whole world because in the Minecraft video only the player is sideways, everything else stays normal. |
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<GreenXenith> the point is that the only way to do the Minecraft thing is to do the inverse |
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<MisterE> but that doesnt work and Im thinking that my math ideas are wrong here anyways |
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<GreenXenith> if you cant rotate the camera, rotate the entire world |
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<Warr1024> pretty sure gravity direction cannot be changed on the player, MT's physics controls for player are entirely different than for ents and much more limited |
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<GreenXenith> yeah that oo |
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<GreenXenith> its currently more feasible to rotate the entire world and every entity than it is to rotate the player |
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<GreenXenith> too* |
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<Warr1024> MisterE: is vector.direction different from vector.normalize(vector.subtract())? Because the latter is what I usually use... |
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Noclip[m] |
This is important because I wouldn't want all mobs to fall from the world. Also textures (like the one of grass) would cause issues with a rotated world. |
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<GreenXenith> Nah, everything can be rotated |
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<GreenXenith> textures can be swapped automatically |
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<Warr1024> Everything can be rotated, it just won't necessarily be easy |
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<GreenXenith> mobs would be overriden to swap x or z with y |
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<Warr1024> There are a lot of tedious corner cases to dig out |
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<GreenXenith> well, s/mobs/entities |
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<MisterE> Warr Im open to suggestions.... im kinda fuzzy on vectors |
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<Warr1024> I'm pretty sure that vector.multiply(vector.normalize(vector.subtract(destination, source)), speed) should work |
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Noclip[m] |
"<GreenXenith> Catch the current chunk position on_generate [...]" |
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-> This sounds like it could cause serious ressource issues. |
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<MisterE> could you explain what vector.normalize does here? |
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<Warr1024> If you don't normalize the vector then instead of "heat seeking missile" you can get an "attached with a rubber band" hook's law effect :-) |
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<MisterE> oh! |
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<Warr1024> vector.normalize should basically set the magnitude of the vector to 1 |
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<MisterE> that could be useful |
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"<Warr1024> how would you handle falling_node and entity code?" |
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-> Mhh, those would fall sideways too then. Also we shouldn't forget water ... |
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<Warr1024> i.e. divide it by its length |
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this sounds terrible for multiplayer planescape acheron world |
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<MisterE> thx texting the new code |
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<Warr1024> Best thing to do is setup a test rig or something and just try it out |
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<GreenXenith> Water is the one thing that would be hard to change |
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<MisterE> I mean testing |
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<GreenXenith> and by hard I mean, not really possible |
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<Warr1024> you'd have to limboarriaify the water, probably, and then do any water mechanics on your own |
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<MisterE> nono just remove the flowing water |
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<GreenXenith> Also, the chunk juggling is pretty fast since its done all during map generation |
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<GreenXenith> and you also dont need to do much vmanip processing |
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<GreenXenith> rotating is a very simple operation |
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<GreenXenith> the rest is just overwriting data |
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<Warr1024> no, rotating within a mapchunk is simple |
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<Warr1024> rotating between them though... |
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<Jonathon> any custom mapgen mods would obviously not work |
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<GreenXenith> Bold of you to assume I didnt mean rotating within a mapchunk |
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<GreenXenith> You also seem to have missed my explanation for how to do it |
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"<GreenXenith> the point is that the only way to do the Minecraft thing is to do the inverse" |
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-> Maybe we should assume that the player has some sort of crippled neck and can only look sideways while being also affected by weird gravity? |
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<GreenXenith> hah |
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<GreenXenith> Honestly, probably less work to make a PR to allow rolling the camera |
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<Jonathon> yeah |
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<Warr1024> Hmm, shit, I did miss the explanation, not that it actually clarified anything |
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<Jonathon> there is a issue for it |
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<Warr1024> seems like even more of a mess... |
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<GreenXenith> you dont rotate "between chunks" |
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<GreenXenith> you rotate the chunk position to figure out which one you need to get data from, then rotate the content separately |
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"<Warr1024> pretty sure gravity direction cannot be changed on the player, MT's physics controls for player are entirely different than for ents and much more limited" |
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-> So I cannot implement sideways gravity? Could I make the player get accelerated sideways in some other way? |
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<Jonathon> https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/11554 |
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<Warr1024> if you're at y=80 then you'll have to trick the game into generating x=80, then pull that data into the current y=80 mapblock and then somehow save the x=80 data to be swapped back |
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<GreenXenith> Yes, thats what the explanation went over |
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<GreenXenith> Im failing to see how I didnt explain it |
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<Warr1024> Well, you explained what you intended to do, you just didn't make it sound like a thing that's going to work |
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<Warr1024> I suppose it could function, and the lag could be livable, though it'd be callback hell to actually code up. |
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<MisterE> you could add accelleration to players every serverstep |
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<Warr1024> I guess I'll have to see the implementation |
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<Warr1024> adding velocity to player once per tick could very-theoretically work but I think the jank would kill it alone, let alone the fact that you don't get walking traction on side surfaces. |
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<MisterE> youd have to keep track of acc from other sources too |
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<MisterE> you caould implement walking traction yourself |
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<Warr1024> Yeah, I guess player control is a thing |
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<MisterE> Id like to see a spacewars minigame |
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<MisterE> with 0 grav and thrusters to move and fuel and latching onto nodes |
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<Warr1024> I have tbh never yet seen a solid example of full server-side player physics yet. I couldn't really say for sure how bad the jank would be in practice. |
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<Warr1024> It's often assumed it would be unlivable but that depends a lot on the kind of action in the game itself. |
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<GreenXenith> You start with a chunk position. This needs to be filled in with sideways world, so this position is effectively the chunk after the world has been rotated. Step 1: Rotate the position as if you were rotating it back into place to give you your source chunk. Step 2: Save whatever is at the source chunk using vmanip (dirt-simple read). Step 3: minetest.delete_area(source pos) Step 4: minetest.emerge_area(source pos) Step 5: save this |
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new data (see step 2) Step 6: Put back what you saved in step 2 (vmanip again). Step 6: Rotate your saved source chunk. This will require some simple math. Step 7: Paste the saved source chunk. |
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<MisterE> you could do a node confined game, and have gravity be whatever you want |
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<MisterE> where you are a node |
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<Warr1024> Green, I think the spatial manipulations you're talking about are beyond words, it may need pictures or something to show where everything goes when |
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<GreenXenith> I can do that |
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"<Warr1024> rotating between them though..." |
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-> Wouldn't this requre generating chunks very far away to then copy/map them to the current position and then map the chunk which would be at the current position to another chunk which is super far away and repeat that until you got a full rotation (do it 4 times)? |
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Is that even possible? |
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<Warr1024> yeah, that's what Green's trying to explain |
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<Warr1024> it IS possible, using emerge_area and such, to force remote areas to load |
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<Warr1024> then it's just a matter of swapping out the guts |
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<Warr1024> but I think there are a couple of pitfalls to it |
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<Warr1024> one of course is that emerge_area is async, and you can't wait for a callback inside on_generated |
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<Warr1024> another is making sure that your generation hack is reentrant |
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<Warr1024> another will be dealing with the momentary jank when the current location is generated with all air or stone while you're waiting for the other area to emerge |
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<Warr1024> hmm, I suppose the last one SHOULD be okay as long as the player can't catch up wit hth egenerted boundary |
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<GreenXenith> I feel like you get what im saying just fine, you're just worried about callback issues ? |
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<Warr1024> I mean I get the underlying principles |
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<Warr1024> I just worry that getting the specific sequence is going to be hard |
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<Warr1024> This is one of those kinds of things where in principle it should work, but the problem is nobody wants to pay it in principle, they want to play it in minetest, and we know how things work in minetest :-| |
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<Warr1024> If you think it will take 3 ugly hacks to make it work, it will probably take 5 |
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<GreenXenith> Well, I could drop what im working on to whip up a PoC |
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<Warr1024> Haha, what you're working on is like 60% likely a PoC for something else :-D |
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<GreenXenith> Well, what im working on is waffles |
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<GreenXenith> and im kinda tired of it atm |
| 03:07 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> haha, I was gonna put 30% on that. |
| 03:07 |
MTDiscord |
<MisterE> yummy waffles or ingame? |
| 03:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I would hope both |
| 03:08 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> yummy ingame waffles |
| 03:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I mean, if you're updating a waffle mod for MT then that's as good a reason as any to go eat some research material. |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> I dont follow |
| 03:08 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> oh |
| 03:08 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Now I follow |
| 03:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Yes, following is normally done on a delay :-) |
| 03:11 |
Noclip[m] |
Okay, let's just summarize that my first serious mod shouldn't try to rotate every single thing that exists within minetest (except for the player) ... |
| 03:12 |
Noclip[m] |
I mean it would probably be litterally everything except for the player that would need to be rotatet. |
| 03:12 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> don't get too ambitious all at once or you'll just make yourself ragequit |
| 03:13 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Start with something pretty simple, like adding a node or a tool or an item |
| 03:13 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> then you'll have a "comfort area" and can target your future projects to stretch a certain % beyond your comfort area |
| 03:14 |
Noclip[m] |
Warr1024: That was already the idea: |
| 03:14 |
Noclip[m] |
"Mhh, I would like to implement something fairly simple, stupid and funny as mod into mintest, I just don't know what." |
| 03:14 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> A good project probably involves something you're not sure if you can do, but backed by a bunch of other stuff that you know you can do to tie it all together if that part works out. |
| 03:14 |
Noclip[m] |
Something simple which is somewhat funny and stupid at the same time. |
| 03:14 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Hmm, simple, funny, and stupid... I feel like I should have a lot of ideas, but most of mine are just funny and stupid, while simple is a bit trickier... |
| 03:15 |
Noclip[m] |
I might just go with something explosive ... |
| 03:15 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Oh, one thing I always wanted was a mod that sort of made fun of MT's obsession with food mods by making food into building materials |
| 03:15 |
Noclip[m] |
Explosions in computer games are always a good thing xD |
| 03:16 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> heh, I already did a parody of explosions :-D |
| 03:16 |
Noclip[m] |
Your doomsday mod? |
| 03:16 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Yep |
| 03:16 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> a bomb as poweful as vacuum decay |
| 03:16 |
Noclip[m] |
Honestly I never tried that so far ... didn't really see a point in it xD |
| 03:16 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> actual real in-game explosions can be surprisingly complicated |
| 03:17 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> there's the tnt mod you can use to cheat off of, but IIRC I never liked how it does explosions |
| 03:17 |
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<Warr1024> The point in the doomsday mod was purely satire |
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<Ronoaldo> do i have a way to check the count from an itemstring after I "cast" it with ItemStack(itemstring)? |
| 03:18 |
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<Warr1024> I will never choose the serious option of there's an alternative; even in a very serious game I've got eggcorns and pumwater. |
| 03:18 |
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<Warr1024> ItemStacks have get_name, get_count, etc. |
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<Ronoaldo> thanks! |
| 03:18 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> In fact converting an itemstring to an ItemStack and using get_count is the canonical way to get the count out of it |
| 03:19 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> itemstrings cannot be as safely and easily parsed as most people probably think they can |
| 03:19 |
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<Ronoaldo> perfect |
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Noclip[m] |
When I started playing Minetest Mineclone's TNT was really weird and quite different from Minecraft. Looks like they fixed that by now, that's awesome! |
| 03:20 |
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<Warr1024> MTG's TNT last I saw just destroyed nodes within a certain radius of the TNT. That meant it could "tunnel" through non-explodable nodes. Dunno if they've fixed that yet. |
| 03:20 |
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<Warr1024> MCL2 would have to fix it for sure to be MC-like, while MTG, I guess, could just choose not to. |
| 03:21 |
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<Warr1024> MC's TNT actually made sense, even if it was computationally very costly. |
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Noclip[m] |
Obsidian seems to work as expected with MCL2's TNT so I guess they fixed that. |
| 03:25 |
Noclip[m] |
One thing that is still not perfect are upwards towers. MCL2's TNT still has a minimal delay if fused by another explosion which is too high for it to reliably fuse TNT over it while it's falling. |
| 03:28 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I don't think I want to mess with detonation in mods again, so I don't see myself adding TNT to anything. |
| 03:28 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I have messed with deflagration and it was a bit fun though. |
| 03:46 |
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<Ronoaldo> I'm on the right direction here? (Trying to implement a simple daily reward for players who contributed): https://gist.github.com/ronoaldo/348eea9db83c2d16fe04fc7960321958 |
| 03:48 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> yes, but actually no |
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<Jonathon> your not using player meta, and your current solution has no persistence thus is worthless |
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<Jonathon> actually, hold on |
| 03:49 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> code I'm looking at is using player meta |
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<Ronoaldo> I just made two edits for a typo (playe -> player) and to return true at the end of can_claim() |
| 03:49 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> i read the variable wrong, sorry |
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<Warr1024> A block of diamond and a block of mese sounded like they'd be a hell of a big reward just for showing up, but then I realized that the value of those commodities would probably tank if you flooded the market with them, so I guess it'd balance out ? |
| 03:50 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> I'm quite verbose just to make sure I'm understanding... zero experience with Lua itself or Minetest apis... |
| 03:50 |
Noclip[m] |
"<Warr1024> code I'm looking at is using player meta" |
| 03:50 |
Noclip[m] |
-> One of you got man in the middled. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> you dont have anything for new players tho? |
| 03:50 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Actually it sounds like it was Jonathon's eyeballs in the middle. |
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Noclip[m] |
lol |
| 03:51 |
Noclip[m] |
based |
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MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> @Warr1024 the reward will be granted for the players who are supporting with real cash the server hosting (I'll add perhaps some sort of permission maybe?) |
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<Jonathon> and shouldnt it be meta:get_int |
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<Warr1024> last_claim + now < 86400 ... this feels wrong to me. |
| 03:52 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> I have the default initial stuff from minetest_game |
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<Warr1024> should be if now - last_claim < 86400 then return false? |
| 03:52 |
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<Ronoaldo> 1 day in seconds since last time you claimed (my attempt) |
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<Ronoaldo> It's 52 past midnight so I'm sure my math is wrong |
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<Jonathon> the player can never claim if they dont have the meta key |
| 03:52 |
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<Warr1024> last_claim + now will never be < 86400 |
| 03:53 |
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<Ronoaldo> yes, you are right. |
| 03:53 |
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<Warr1024> no, get_int I'm pretty sure returns 0 |
| 03:53 |
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<Warr1024> if there's no key |
| 03:53 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> yep |
| 03:53 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> this one I checked from docs |
| 03:53 |
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<Warr1024> but os.time() will make it huge anyway |
| 03:53 |
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<Jonathon> : not . |
| 03:53 |
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<Warr1024> 0 + now will always be way > 86400 |
| 03:53 |
Noclip[m] |
Can you access any os. functions within the sandbox? |
| 03:54 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> yeah, if you call meta.get_int() it'll crash |
| 03:54 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> You can access some selected OS functions IIRC |
| 03:54 |
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<Jonathon> not to mention this will never work |
| 03:54 |
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<Jonathon> because no player will have the meta key by default |
| 03:54 |
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<Ronoaldo> changed from meta. -> meta: get_int() |
| 03:54 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> and there is nothing to add it? |
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MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> but meta:get_int() returns zero so last time it was used was a long time ago (epoch - ...) now() - 0 > 1 day no? |
| 03:55 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I mean, once the typos are fixed and that math issue, it ougtta work okay |
| 03:55 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> did an update now |
| 03:55 |
Noclip[m] |
"<Warr1024> You can access some selected OS functions IIRC" |
| 03:55 |
Noclip[m] |
-> The api doesn't seem say anything about that but maybe that would also not be the right place for it?! |
| 03:55 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> the fact that players don't have the meta keys to start out will not be a problem |
| 03:55 |
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<Jonathon> true, get_init returns 0, not nil |
| 03:55 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> get(key) is nil |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> i should sleep |
| 03:55 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It wouldn't not work, it'd crash entirely |
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<Warr1024> crashing at least would let you know there's a bug :-) |
| 03:56 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> gotta love stack traces ? |
| 03:56 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> thanks for the late night peer review! learned a bunch of new things today |
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<Jonathon> i really wasnt that much help |
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<Warr1024> Yeah, the problem is when the stack trace tells you the place where data was read and found to be in an unexpected state, but not necessarily the place where data was put into a wrong state to begin with... |
| 03:57 |
Noclip[m] |
"<Jonathon> i should sleep" -> Sleep is overrated, just wait another 24 hours with it. |
| 03:57 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> you don't have to think you're a lot of help to actually help a lot, sometimes it's enough to be a rubber ducky |
| 03:57 |
Noclip[m] |
lol |
| 03:57 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> noclip: maybe ronoaldo should add that as a gift to his mod ? |
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MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> ? ) |
| 03:58 |
Noclip[m] |
What, sleep? |
| 03:58 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> ok, going to finish for today - again thanks for the review and ideas and pointers and rubber duckery |
| 03:59 |
MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> I'm not very good at English but perhaps that final part sounded weird - sorry |
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Noclip[m] |
No, I don't think so. |
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Noclip[m] |
Ronoaldo: Mabe you will dream tonight about being a rubber duck. |
| 04:00 |
Noclip[m] |
But a real one, with real quark sounds. |
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* Pexin |
steals rubber duckery |
| 04:32 |
Noclip[m] |
Pexin joins Ronoaldo's dream to steal them? |
| 04:32 |
Noclip[m] |
You're doing it as they did it in inception xD |
| 04:33 |
Noclip[m] |
With several nested dreams. |
| 04:38 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> So, re: Sideways world: Minetest really wasnt built for this. I've managed to produce at least 5 different fatal errors. One of which was Minetest detecting 18446744073530593281 objects in on mapblock ... I suspect NaN or something. Lots of grab failures and not found errors too. |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> in one* |
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<Warr1024> That DOES sort of validate what I was saying insofar as the basic principles are sound but the devil is in the details... |
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<Warr1024> This will probably turn out to be something surreal like an emerge area triggered inside a mapgen callback triggering non-reentrant mapgen code and going bonkers |
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<Warr1024> you're lucky you didn't have demons fly out your nose or some shit. |
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<GreenXenith> Here's the code if anyone wants to mess with it https://gist.github.com/GreenXenith/76e22d52d33e2f085c5cad893b8fe556 |
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Noclip[m] |
I took a short look at the original Minecraft mod and it makes it super obvious that not using an API comes at a high price, too: |
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Noclip[m] |
"This mod is no longer being developed and there is no support being offered. Its newest version is for 1.12.2 only and is known to be incompatible with VanillaFix, Surge, ChiseledMe and LagGoggles." |
| 04:55 |
Noclip[m] |
(https://github.com/Mysteryem/Up_And_Down_And_All_Around) |
| 04:58 |
Noclip[m] |
Also that mod doesn't seem too small either (from looking at file sizes and the Readme) so I guess doing that in Minecraft is very very hacky, too. |
| 04:59 |
Noclip[m] |
It's probably not something special for MC mods to be hacky. |
| 05:00 |
Noclip[m] |
Does the Minetest API offer something like nightvision? |
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Noclip[m] |
(I guess the answer is no ...) |
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<Jonathon> yes |
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Noclip[m] |
Yes to "the API offers something like that" or to "the answer is no"? |
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<Jonathon> the first |
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<Jonathon> see ptime mod |
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Noclip[m] |
wsor: I'm mainly interested in nightvision for things like caves. |
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Noclip[m] |
Daylight doesn't help me there. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> see https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/11499 then |
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Noclip[m] |
Can I bind the jump key to another function? |
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Noclip[m] |
How do I make jumping trigger a speicfic event? |
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"minetest.register_globalstep" sounds like a good call to crash a server. |
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independent56 |
Does rollback use minetest server uptime or real life time for the limit of 24 hours? |
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independent56 |
Ugh, my server time is 09:47:49, and here it is :13 |
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independent56 |
seconds out of sync |
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MiniontobyPI |
Hey |
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MiniontobyPI |
at Protector mod (Idk who it is owning actualy, but i can search it up if needed) I get the following: https://termbin.com/vwo1 |
| 11:52 |
MiniontobyPI |
seems like the translation is messed up |
| 11:52 |
sfan5 |
the mod author made a mistake and is printing a translation to the console |
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sfan5 |
but they don't work in the console |
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sfan5 |
hence the messed up text |
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MiniontobyPI |
oh.. |
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MiniontobyPI |
I will remove the S() from the string |
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MiniontobyPI |
print (S("[MOD] Protector Redo loaded")) |
| 11:53 |
MiniontobyPI |
so it will be |
| 11:53 |
MiniontobyPI |
print ("[MOD] Protector Redo loaded") |
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AndrewYu |
Yup |
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MiniontobyPI |
restarting server.... |
| 11:54 |
MiniontobyPI |
I will make a issue on github |
| 11:54 |
MiniontobyPI |
yes the message now shows up correct |
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MiniontobyPI |
2021-08-24 05:54:22: ERROR[Main]: Failed to get paths by executable location, trying cwd |
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MiniontobyPI |
2021-08-24 05:54:22: WARNING[Main]: Undeclared global variable "QoS" accessed at /home/minetest/minetest/mods/monitoring/init.lua:18 |
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MiniontobyPI |
[monitoring] sampling: 100000 calls took 89713 us |
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MiniontobyPI |
[monitoring] registering builtin metrics |
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MiniontobyPI |
[monitoring] enabling prometheus push |
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MiniontobyPI |
[MOD] Protector Redo loaded |
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MiniontobyPI was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected. Use a pastebin like paste.ubuntu.com. |
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MiniontobyPI |
guys, how to get the original .git url from a cloned github directory |
| 11:56 |
sfan5 |
cat .git/config |
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MiniontobyPI |
cat .git/config | grep url |
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MiniontobyPI |
works fine |
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MiniontobyPI |
thanks |
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sfan5 |
you don't have to manually dig in the files of course, git remote -v will also show you |
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MiniontobyPI |
oh thankx |
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MiniontobyPI |
sfan5: how to do a pull request from commandline |
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sfan5 |
uh, the github UI should be simpler for what you're doing |
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MiniontobyPI |
https://termbin.com/2d65 |
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MiniontobyPI |
I cannot seem to make a pr from the notabug site |
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MiniontobyPI |
so i want to use cmd |
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MiniontobyPI |
so i want to use cmdline |
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MiniontobyPI |
check https://termbin.com/2d65 |
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sfan5 |
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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MiniontobyPI |
warn: refs/heads/master found at . but points to a different object |
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MiniontobyPI |
warn: Are you sure you pushed 'HEAD' there? |
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MiniontobyPI |
minetest$ git push . HEAD |
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MiniontobyPI |
Everything up-to-date |
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MiniontobyPI |
minetest$ |
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MiniontobyPI |
https://termbin.com/0ofdy |
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MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> So is it OFFICIALLY allowed to push your own server using alt accounts? I'm asking cause I feel there is at least 1 server right now that uses that method to rank higher in the server list |
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MinetestBot |
[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: fix: update to alpine 3.14 (#11570) ff3aa18 https://git.io/JEnk6 (2021-08-24T12:52:05Z) |
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<MisterE> so, minetest gurus, I have a curious crash error that keeps occuring: the game just crashs with "bus error (core dumped)" |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> and ideas for how to get started fixing this? thers no filepash so I dont know what mod it is |
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BuckarooBanzai |
MisterE: remove one mod after another until the error disappears but it is most likely an engine issue, did you (re-)compile recently? |
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sfan5 |
run minetest under a debugger |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> sfan, how do I do that? |
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sfan5 |
OS? |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Openbsd |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> 6.7 |
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MiniontobyPI |
hey mistere |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> hey Miniontoby |
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MiniontobyPI |
minetestserver --debug |
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MiniontobyPI |
and all the orther params you use |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> thx! |
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BuckarooBanzai |
MiniontobyPI: thats not a debugger :P |
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MiniontobyPI |
oh... |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> oh... |
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MiniontobyPI |
and check logs |
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sfan5 |
gdb -batch -ex r -ex 'bt full' --args <the usual command line> |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> lol, IK that much there is no error msg |
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MiniontobyPI |
oh right it was in the core it self... |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> sfan5, ok and what should that do? |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> how will i get the debug |
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sfan5 |
it'll print the information to the console |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> ok, and when the crash occcors I will have some clues |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Also I can recomplile |
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sfan5 |
you might not get any useful info unless you recompile as a debug build |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> no i have not recompliled recently and i am using the 5.5 dev |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> huh ok... I will come ask how to do that when I have the time to tackle that |
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MiniontobyPI |
why is making pull-requests SOO DIFFICULT |
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independent56 |
Does rollback use minetest server uptime or real life time for the limit of 24 hours? |
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independent56 |
And what about my hiking infastructure (cross-city walking? http://56i.duckdns.org/dokuwiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=hp1_3.png http://56i.duckdns.org/dokuwiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=hp1_1.png |
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independent56 |
More info: http://56i.duckdns.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=proposals:hiking |
| 18:26 |
Krock |
independent56: when can I edit this wiki again? |
| 18:26 |
independent56 |
`When i make account registration work... not that i will want you editing again |
| 18:27 |
Krock |
can I still upload random files? |
| 18:27 |
independent56 |
Hopefully not |
| 18:28 |
Krock |
> Sorry, you don't have enough rights to upload files. |
| 18:28 |
Krock |
why not? |
| 18:28 |
independent56 |
No account |
| 18:29 |
Krock |
make the registration to work |
| 18:29 |
jonadab |
Oh, is someone working on the MT wiki? I was assuming it was abandoned, with the certificate being more than a week expired. |
| 18:29 |
Krock |
jonadab: works for me |
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Krock |
oh wait. I accepted the invalid cert |
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jonadab |
I can work around it with an exception, yes; but the cert expired on the 10th. |
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jonadab |
Granted, recently-expired certs are not usually an actual security risk. |
| 18:31 |
independent56 |
My own personal wiki for my own server, with no links to mtwiki |
| 18:31 |
jonadab |
But browsers give Big Scary Warnings for them. |
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jonadab |
independent56: Oh, nevermind then. |
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Pexin |
irssi protocol module for MT. ever attempted? |
| 18:48 |
jonadab |
You mean irc? |
| 18:48 |
jonadab |
Yeah, the VanessaE servers have that installed. |
| 18:49 |
jonadab |
The chat for all of her various servers (creative, survival, etc.) are gated together through a single channel on Libera.chat. |
| 18:49 |
Pexin |
I mean the inverse, using irssi to connect directly to MT |
| 18:50 |
Pexin |
only for chat obviously |
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jonadab |
Ah. |
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jonadab |
That I don't know. |
| 18:52 |
Pexin |
yeah, very niche. it would just be nice to ssh -> screen -> irssi -> MTchat without running the client. I plan to look into it but figured I'd ask first if anyone is already as crazy as me |
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jonadab |
I mean, in _principle_ it's not conceptually hard. Just yank out the talk-to-server code from the MT client, rewrite it in Perl, put in "just stand there" stub code for the player's actual activity, and hook up the chat to the irssi UI. |
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Pexin |
ye. principle can kill though :] |
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jonadab |
There might be some slight differences between the chat protocols to work around (in terms of max message length and/or which characters are acceptable or need escaping), but the irc mod for MT probably has info about all that in it. |
| 18:55 |
jonadab |
Pexin: All that's left is the Implementation Details. |
| 18:55 |
jonadab |
See also "small matter of programming". |
| 18:56 |
Pexin |
"oh yeah it's nearly done, all I need to do is write the whole thing" |
| 18:56 |
jonadab |
Yes. |
| 18:56 |
jonadab |
You've already finished visualizing the conceptualization process. That's the hard part. |
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independent56 |
Why won't mods load when i am running a minetest server using a service? is there an example service config i can take from |
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sfan5 |
you're probably running it with different flags than usual |
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sfan5 |
if it was the same it'd act the same too and load your mods (assuming it works if you start it manually) |
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independent56 |
I use the command i use every time, placed in a sh script, and then run that using absh in the servic ecommand thing. |
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independent56 |
I am sure nothing has changed. But it is running from root user. |
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sfan5 |
what about the working directory? |
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sfan5 |
in any case your service manager should provide you with a way to access the logs, those might have a clue |
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independent56 |
Good idea. I will add a cd /home/independent56 when i can |
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independent56 |
Would starting a server be quicker then running the command using ssh? i assume services are closer to the OS |
| 19:06 |
sfan5 |
possibly, but that's the wrong concern |
| 19:06 |
sfan5 |
your concern should be that ssh'ing in if something you have to manually, starting services isn't |
| 19:07 |
sfan5 |
is something* |
| 19:08 |
independent56 |
I know, but i am a control freak and a ilike to be online when my server is, The command is no difficulty to me. |
| 19:08 |
independent56 |
I would make autostart true, if i wasn't so parsanoid, |
| 19:09 |
independent56 |
My service won't work, judge foryourself please: Process: 23400 ExecStart=/bin/bash cd /home/independent56; bash ./minetest.bash (code=exited, status=12 |
| 19:09 |
jonadab |
independent56: Are the mods in the correct location on the filesystem? |
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independent56 |
~/.minetest/mods |
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jonadab |
independent56: In the ~ for the user the service is running as? |
| 19:10 |
independent56 |
No, it is telling you my locatyion of mods, and isn't used in commands due to ambiguity |
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sfan5 |
if you have the data under your user running it as root is going to introduce various problems anyway |
| 19:10 |
sfan5 |
run it under your user |
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independent56 |
Thanks for the tip |
| 19:11 |
jonadab |
If the service is running as root, it's going to look for mods in /root/.minetest/mods or wherever. |
| 19:11 |
jonadab |
NOT in /home/independent56/.minetest/mods |
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independent56 |
I know that. |
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independent56 |
Oh wait i didn't |
| 19:12 |
jonadab |
If you want it to use data from your user's home directory, then it probably needs to run as your user. |
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jonadab |
(WHich on *nix does not necessarily preclude running it as a service.) |
| 19:12 |
independent56 |
I'm trying that right now, and hpefuly it works |
| 19:14 |
Pexin |
running MT as root is not something that should ever be considered x_x |
| 19:15 |
independent56 |
Why not? |
| 19:16 |
Pexin |
shouldn't run _anything_ as root if it's not necessary |
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jonadab |
Services are often run under a run-as-root wrapper, and then drop privs after forking. Though the main reason for doing this (ability to use low-numbered ports) shouldn't be relevant for MT, whose default port is well over the line into user territory. |
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independent56 |
Makes sense |
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Pexin |
yeah, there's no need to think about low numbered ports |
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Pexin |
this isn't apache |
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jonadab |
But sometimes people forget that that's *why* services are started as root, and just remember that services are usually started as root. |
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jonadab |
There's also xinetd, but I'm not at all sure you'd want to run MT that way. |
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jonadab |
I can imagine all sorts of things going wrong with that. |
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independent56 |
I still can't belive i only have 62 Km^2 to play with. London is 1.5 K Km^2, and i can't build a london wihout making muliple worlds. |
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Pexin |
what lunatic would want to makHEYOOOO |
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specing |
independent56: by the time you finish filling those 62km^2, minetest will already have that limit lifted |
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independent56 |
haha yeah |
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independent56 |
I do hope. My server is very rural, tiny villages 1 K nodes away from each other. |
| 23:00 |
independent56 |
I am eating up land. |
| 23:00 |
MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> if you got topgraphical info and wrote a mapgen, you would only be limited by how long it takes to emerge it |
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* Pexin |
watches disk space implode |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> lol, yeah |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> i mean, take whatever skyscraper size to nodes, say 200 for example, add another hundred for subways if you build those, you only need 30k*300*30k so you could save some disk there |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> wasnt shad or someone on the forums emerging full maps for custom mapgen testing, could ask them how big they get |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> it's not 62km^2, it's (62km)^2, i.e. 62^2 * km^2, or 3844 km^2 |
| 23:07 |
independent56 |
I man ^2 as in the visual square Symbol. |
| 23:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I mean that the Minetest mapgen world surface is 3844 square kilometers (theoretically more because it's not flat) |
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independent56 |
I mean, looking at a cube with a slanted cut fromabive looks the same as a regualr, straight cut. That is the 62 Km. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> square kilometer and kilometers, squared are not quite the same thing, so if you look up figures for comparison, make sure you are comparing the right thing... |
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independent56 |
hmm' |
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* Pexin |
kyuubiks ur skware |
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