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IRC log for #minetest, 2021-07-13

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03:48 Extex How can I tell if my sound file is stereo or mono?
03:51 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> If you open it in a sound editor and it has a Left and a Right channel, it's stereo
03:51 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> If it only has one channel, then it's mono
03:51 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Many audio players (or a tool like mediainfo) will also tell you
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05:15 rndusr hey, doc.minetest.net's tls cert has seemed to expired
05:16 rndusr is there anything being done about that? is the docs in a different place?
05:22 rndusr also, on the wiki, is registration open?
05:22 rndusr because there's no sign up link.
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06:11 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> <automated announcer voice> Please step to the back of the line, all representatives are currently busy with everyone else who has reported this already. </automated announcer voice>
06:12 rndusr Benrob0329: sorry
06:13 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> You're good, there's just been a lot of people reporting it (and to be fair, it's not getting fixed for whatever reason)
06:13 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Just saying "we know" to everyone gets a little boring, y'know?
06:13 rndusr is there a mirror that you know of?
06:14 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> The wayback machine?
06:14 rndusr ooh
06:14 * rndusr forgot
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08:35 MTDiscord <Kimapr> rdnusr: the cert may have expired, but doesn't it still work?
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15:17 MTDiscord <entuland> ignoring the warning it should work, yes
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16:21 jonadab Some web browsers make that easier to do than others; also, some of them give you better details about exactly what's wrong, than others.
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16:25 jonadab Personally, I kind of want a global setting for "don't worry about expired certs that expired  within the last 30 days."
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16:39 MTDiscord <Warr1024> If they have an "ignore certs expired in the last 30 days" option, then eventually more and more users will enable it until people just stop reporting the problem at all until 30 days after the expiration, and then the problem will shift 30 days later.  This will cause CAs to reduce certificate lifetime by 30 days to compensate and de facto remain within the standards.
16:39 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Ultimately it just wouldn't work because the browser makers are on the same side as the certificate issuers, and if the weren't then the whole system wouldn't have worked in the first place.
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17:32 independent_ You would be suprised by how many teachers thought my CPU hairbrush was called a "motherboard"
17:37 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> I would not be, most people are not technically literate
17:52 independent_ yeah, they know the basics, like "move ouse and press two bars to play youtube videio", but they don't even know shortcuts exist.
17:54 independent_ But the TA i spend the most time with has inherited some knowladge, like some keybinds, and basic programming. But they haven't advanced to the stage that they can read a verse such as "The design is Unix-like, although the error handling is Go-like; failing calls return values of type error rather than error numbers. " without getting confused
17:56 rubenwardy I mean, that's not a very good "verse" anyway
17:56 rubenwardy communications is a two way thing, you need to communicate with enough context and adjust working based on the audience
17:56 rubenwardy *wording
17:57 independent_ I can't even share the horror of  "php: a fractal of bad design" with teachers, as hey can't understand it.
17:59 independent_ https://pastebin.com/EDqKytmN Is a blog post i wrote in english because the only alternative was to write about football (imho a horrible sport).
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18:42 jonadab Is there such a thing as a non-horrible sport?
18:44 gh00p ping pong?
18:45 specing horrible?
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19:20 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> Swim?
19:29 Krock chess?
19:32 rubenwardy ?muteme 1m
19:32 rubenwardy .
19:32 rubenwardy ?muteme 1m
19:32 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Rubenwardy this is the irc bridge.
19:32 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> Discord bots cant see you.
19:33 rubenwardy was wondering if it would mute the bridge
19:33 MTDiscord <Warr1024> :trollface:
19:33 MTDiscord <Warr1024> bridge uses webhooks anyway, so I think it wouldn't work right even if it could.
19:38 independent56 ?muteme 1 m
19:38 independent56 hmm... i have been unable to hack the mainframe, damn!
19:38 MTDiscord <GreenXenith> And if youre going to mess with bridge, better to do so in -hub
19:39 independent56 ha
19:39 independent56 isn't that the restircted channel?
19:40 rubenwardy -hub is technically stricter moderated
19:40 rubenwardy but it's also dead apart from t+11 so \o/
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20:02 Calinou https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/new-world-generation-java-available-testing
20:02 Calinou a lot of those screenshots remind me of Minetest's mapgens, or even the default textures
20:02 Calinou probably coindicence, but it's a bit funny :)
20:04 Krock mgv7 or 5
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20:14 Calinou mgv7 probably
20:14 Calinou but even mgv6 sometimes
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23:54 robyndrake Hello, I have the screwdriver mod loaded in world.mt and I'm trying to load pipeworks, also set to true in world.mt, but I get  /home/minetest/minetest/bin/../mods/pipeworks/devices.lua:168: attempt to index global 'screwdriver' (a nil value)
23:54 robyndrake Any help would be greatly appreciated
23:55 specing Sounds like you're pretty screwed there
23:56 robyndrake ha ha
23:57 robyndrake I may have found my mistake
23:58 robyndrake still the same error
23:58 robyndrake what do I need to pastebin?

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