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IRC log for #minetest, 2021-07-08

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06:22 independent_ i love the "3-2-1 rule", but does the "2 types of media" mean that me using an SSD on my main, and a HDD on my backups is ok?
06:27 independent_ Haha my second hard drive goes "whoosh tick" once per second.
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06:35 independent_ Now it's just going "hmmmmmmmmmm"
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06:45 independent_ I just put the cover on the drive.. and wow, so much quieter.
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07:47 mohammadashik Hello!
07:53 MTDiscord <j45> Hey
08:09 Swift110-mobile hey all
08:34 meldrian Aloha everyone
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10:01 IvanGorinich hello
10:02 MTDiscord <wwar> 👋
10:03 IvanGorinich i make roleplay server
10:03 IvanGorinich but its rusian, who know rusian can join and play
10:04 IvanGorinich you can make your own country or company
10:04 IvanGorinich my server selfhosted and no comercial
10:04 IvanGorinich commercial
10:05 * specing roleplays as a disconnected player
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10:48 MinetestBot [git] Panquesito7 -> minetest/minetest_game: Replace Travis CI with GitHub actions (#2661) 9270188 https://git.io/JcQCJ (2021-07-08T10:47:37Z)
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13:40 MinetestBot twoelk: Jul-07 19:56 UTC <benrob0329> Already planned, though I don't remember if I had any ideas for how to keep players from building there
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15:41 independent_ IvanGorinich, i can understand 12% of russian. What's the name? i would love to visit and see how such a server works, and what elements i can silently take into my own.
15:42 IvanGorinich https://mtroleplay.ivangorinich.repl.co/
15:43 IvanGorinich but you need yggdrasil mesh net client to join
15:43 IvanGorinich becouse i havent static IP
15:44 independent_ My ip changed two days ago. it seems to happen every two or three months
15:45 independent_ How dynamic is your IP? if it happens once per week, then it's fine.
15:47 IvanGorinich with NAT
15:47 IvanGorinich from provider
15:47 IvanGorinich not dynamic to internet
15:47 IvanGorinich Dynamic in providers NAT
15:48 twoelk is your own server up independent_ ?
15:49 independent_ Not online, and port forwarding seems to be confused
15:49 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Sounds like not having a public IP might be a more common problem in the russian-speaking world...
15:50 twoelk tsts, just when I was musing on doing some server touring
15:50 IvanGorinich i dont have proxy on VPN server with static ip
15:50 independent_ I dont feel liek install ygdrasl on my ocmpute to play on one single server, sorry.
16:01 MTDiscord <Warr1024> There are at least 4 servers on ygg so far
16:02 MTDiscord <Warr1024> I had been thinking about trying to come up with a better solution for this, but the biggest problem is probably liability.
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16:08 twoelk I totally forgot that joining a VE server with empty cache may take forever
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17:16 independent_ how could vannessa possibly operate so many servers? how do they have enough time to maintain the servers?
17:18 sfan5 the server admin doesn't have to do everything personally you know
17:23 independent_ Tell me more
17:24 Krock docker start
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17:24 Krock was kicked by ShadowBot: Message repetition flood detected.
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17:24 Krock repeat until all servers are up
17:24 Krock then get some loyal people who won't wreck the server and give them mod powers
17:25 independent_ ohhh... now i get you... so each server is it's own container... i didn't know you could do that!
17:25 VanessaE well it's a bit more than that
17:25 VanessaE and I don't use docker
17:25 Krock what you need to do is to take care of the infrastructure, so that the server runs well
17:25 Krock such as fixing mods that cause errors for no good reason
17:26 Pexin also what mods? your servers are all empty   :]
17:26 Pexin (moderators)
17:26 VanessaE :P
17:26 VanessaE yeah they're not as popular as I'd like..
17:26 Krock 🔥
17:26 VanessaE *shrug*
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17:49 independent_ I have just realised... maybe it is a good idea to use docker images to run minetest servers. what are the downsides of such a setup?
17:50 independent_ йвй в ивй  вхф
17:50 independent_ Oh wait, russian keyboard enabled. sorry.
17:50 MTDiscord <appguru> independent_: Overhead.
17:51 independent_ some examples?
17:51 MTDiscord <appguru> That appears to be pretty negligible though.
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18:06 MTDiscord <Warr1024> The advantages appear to significantly outweigh the disadvantages.  It's much easier to keep up to date, and to isolate config so that it's all in one place, reproducible and portable, etc
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18:20 independent_ Very intresting... just that i need to see a current setup,  with a dockerfile i can stea- take inspiration from.
18:22 MTDiscord <Warr1024> https://hub.docker.com/r/linuxserver/minetest
18:22 MTDiscord <Warr1024> No need to take inspiration, it's basically turnkey, until you need to customize something beyond just installing games/mods or server config.
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18:26 independent_ wow
18:29 beanzilla Yikes... That image would be big... they really should learn about docker layers... Docker will persist the libs apt removes which bloats the iamge size and takes up space... Here's my Dockerfile... https://pastebin.com/XhjHH2YH
18:29 beanzilla But if it works who really cares about the size.
18:30 independent_ https://imgur.com/a/jvuEDoc <-- here is a coushon i made for minetest, in textiles around the beggining of 2020.
18:30 beanzilla Very neat.
18:30 independent_ 2020-02-06
18:31 independent_ i had to do it under the supervision of a lower-class teacher, because duh, autism
18:32 independent_ oh wait i wasn't diagnosed until first quarter 2021 dammit
18:33 MTDiscord <Warr1024> Optimizing an image for size often pessimizes it for incremental change speed.   I usually try to make as many layers as I reasonably can, sort them in ascending order of probability of needing to be rebuilt, and avoid stripping out dev dependencies since it wastes time adding whiteouts.
18:35 beanzilla Ah, and I didn't notice that I have a proxy where I grab cached copies of the stuff needed from apt install.
18:36 beanzilla That speeds up my build so I don't need to wait 10+ minutes from just downloading the libs and such.
18:37 beanzilla Not to mention my dockerfile simply extracts the tar ball of the minetest source code... it needs that to build.. also needs a bit more setup work besides just drop-play.
18:38 * beanzilla wanders off to find something else he can break on his machine. Hey this still works let's break it.
18:39 MTDiscord <Warr1024> I use the lsio MT docker image for simple hosting at home.  For my "production" server I have a local custom image derived from it where I add more deps and then rebuild the server with pgsql enabled.
18:40 MTDiscord <Warr1024> The basic version is adequate though for most servers, and I could probably get away with it on my production server if I were okay with taking the server down for backups.
18:41 beanzilla Ooh, fancy stuff, Yeah I'm not brave enough to open to the public a server just yet.
18:41 beanzilla Not to mention I'm more into making mods or fixing clear and obviously broken ones.
18:47 MTDiscord <Warr1024> My main motivation for publicly listing a server is to get exposure and beta testers for Nodecore
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19:15 independent_ i cant die in nodecore!
19:15 independent_ i can jump off cliffs!
19:15 independent_ i feel so free!
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19:33 MTDiscord <Warr1024> It's easy not to lose what you've already got, but it's hard to make progress.
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20:33 independent56 Is creating an OS as hard as creating a programming language?
20:34 rubenwardy depends
20:35 rubenwardy on how much you want to do with either
20:35 independent56 I plan on taking a distro of linux, and adding default apps as well as OS changes, to make a more accessible OS, for teachers.
20:36 independent56 "One where forced computer users will be able to efficently and easily do stuff. Teachers are so painfully slow on computers... and for them, computers feel like they are tripping people up."
20:36 rubenwardy oh right, that's more like customising a distro than making an OS
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20:38 independent56 Yay! But i can still say "ohh i made an OS", right?
20:41 rubenwardy in the same way someone someone who went to oxford brooks could say they went to oxford university
20:41 rubenwardy so no
20:43 independent56 Well, i may be wrong, but it hasn't stopped people from saying things. Being wrong < The amazment of surrounding teachers when i say "i made an OS". But my honesty will probably make me say "i just added modules to a existing OS and edited some of it".
20:46 rubenwardy it's dishonest
20:46 rubenwardy if you actually want to make one, take a look at https://wiki.osdev.org/Main_Page
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20:47 independent56 "Theres a wiki for everything" ~someone else
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21:23 Lone_Wolf *~wiki.wikis.org
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21:39 MTDiscord <appguru> LuaOS when?
21:43 rubenwardy doesn't have manual memory management
21:43 rubenwardy you could use it for user space stuff though
21:58 MTDiscord <Warr1024> As a user, I want to use Lua for all my space stuff
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22:04 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> There is a systems language based on Lua, might be able to use that if you're clever
22:05 MTDiscord <Benrob0329> But it'd probably be better to just have a Lua-based shell and utilities
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