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<rubenwardy> Minetest has builtin support for prometheus, you don't necessarily need that mod |
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copygirl |
Hi everyone, I was wondering if you can help me. A while ago I moved my Minetest server from running in its own folder to simply running it in my user's .minetest folder. |
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copygirl |
Ever since then, we have not been able to take damage, as if enable_damage was set to false (or not set, as I heard it's the default?). |
| 04:18 |
copygirl |
However, both the minetest.conf and world.mt file have enable_damage set to true. |
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copygirl |
The only thing I think that could be off is that the world is not in .minetest/worlds/world, but simply in .minetest/world |
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copygirl |
I'm running the game nodecore (which respects the enable_damage setting) and was told to ask in here. |
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copygirl |
Oh yeah, we are running Minetest 5.3.0. |
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BuckarooBanzai |
!seen MTDiscord |
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independent56 |
sad |
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independent56 |
acc no, i hope it stays away |
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independent56 |
!seen MTDiscord |
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independent56: mtdiscord was last seen at 2021-07-06 05:11:50 UTC on #minetest-hub |
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independent56 |
0_0 |
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independent56 |
what does YOU use docker for? |
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sfan5 |
copygirl: did you update any mods in the meantime? I remember that being a problem sometimes |
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sfan5 |
you could also test your hypothesis by moving it back and seeing if it starts working again |
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totenkoph |
how do I check the recipe table |
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totenkoph |
in linux |
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sfan5 |
with minetest game? there's a recipe tab ingame since 5.4 otherwise look for a craftguide mod |
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totenkoph |
okay |
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totenkoph |
why aren't there animals in my local game? |
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totenkoph |
or lava as i dig down..there is no creature |
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MTDiscord |
<Kimapr> independent56: you are actually in a better internet situation than me. my ip is not only dynamic, it's shared. i can't, like, host public stuff on it, it's behind carrier grade nat |
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BuckarooBanzai |
totenkoph: what mods (specifically for mobs) do you have installed? |
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totenkoph |
none |
| 10:24 |
totenkoph |
what mods do I need to simulate an average minecraft game |
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BuckarooBanzai |
what game? minetest_game, mineclone? |
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totenkoph |
minetest |
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MTDiscord |
<Kimapr> if you want minecraft but not minecraft, use mineclone2. it's a minetest game (minetest is an engine) that tries to mimic minecraft as closely as possible |
| 10:26 |
BuckarooBanzai |
the minetest_games comes without mobs, you need to add some yourself, for example mobs_redo, mobs_monster, etc |
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BuckarooBanzai |
game* |
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totenkoph |
ah okay thank you |
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MTDiscord |
<Kimapr> totenkoph: go to content tab in the main menu, click on "browse mods", you can install games and mods from there. mineclone is probably what you're looking for |
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totenkoph |
https://i.imgur.com/2w15gPA.png |
| 10:30 |
totenkoph |
where? |
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BuckarooBanzai |
totenkoph: i think you need to update your minetest version :/ |
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copygirl |
sfan5: I'm not entirely sure but I might have updated Nodecore itself. |
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totenkoph |
alright.. |
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MTDiscord |
<Kimapr> totenkoph: what's your minetest version? |
| 10:36 |
MTDiscord |
<Kimapr> seems like 0.4 |
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totenkoph |
0.4.17 |
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totenkoph |
im compiling the latest one from github now |
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totenkoph |
got it..downloading |
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BuckarooBanzai |
totenkoph: you might want to use a branch from earlier this year, the current master needs the new mtirrlicht stuff afaik (which makes it a _bit_ more complex to install) |
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BuckarooBanzai |
5.4.1 was the latest without it i think |
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totenkoph |
yeah that's what Im playing now but some most mods have unsatisfied dependencies |
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totenkoph |
how do i grow wheat seeds |
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totenkoph |
it grows on wet soil |
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how do i make the soil wet |
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ah got it |
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independent56 |
the advtrains wiki might be down |
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independent56 |
i can't access it |
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BuckarooBanzai |
independent56: (i don't use the forum anymore so i answer here) there are some docs on how to set it up loacally: https://github.com/minetest-monitoring/monitoring/blob/master/doc/standalone.md the whole thing is better manageable with docker though, just saying... |
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BuckarooBanzai |
*locally |
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independent56 |
Hmmm... yeah docker... i am trying to learn it. Everyone likes it, and i have no idea on where i can use it. i am thinking of "installing" applications on my webserver using it. |
| 17:37 |
BuckarooBanzai |
the dashboards can be exported on https://monitoring.minetest.land |
| 17:38 |
BuckarooBanzai |
containers make applications more portable and reproducible IMO |
| 17:38 |
BuckarooBanzai |
but its not for everybody i think, it adds another complexity/tool layer |
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independent56 |
Hmmm... i am considering moving to a homelab. Replicating the setup approximately seems a bit messy, so i might as well migrate to docker. |
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independent56 |
Oh and also, just a heads up, i uploaded the IRC message for future reference. |
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independent56 |
https://pastebin.com/ZCWyDYtT |
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independent56 |
should i be concerned? |
| 18:52 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 18:52 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> There should be a whole bunch of similar crap all over your logs :-) |
| 18:53 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Welcome to the internet, check your armor and don't mind the scans... |
| 18:53 |
independent56 |
What is this? it looks like someone tried to remove stuff/install stuff... My stupid (/j), inexperienced brain is of no help |
| 18:54 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It looks like you got vulnerability-scanned. As long as you're not running whatever broken PHP app they're trying to exploit there's little cause for concern. |
| 18:54 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> This is basically just another kind of internet weather phenomenon |
| 18:54 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Comes with the territory of running a publicly-reachable web server. |
| 18:55 |
independent56 |
hmmm... so unconsentual pentesting? |
| 18:55 |
sfan5 |
even less, it's not a scan they're just throwing exploits at the URL the web app would be |
| 18:56 |
independent56 |
What should i do in the future? |
| 18:56 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I mean it's a "scan" in the sense that they're scanning the internet for vulnerable hosts, rather than that they're scanning you specifically for vulnerabilities. |
| 18:57 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If you're not vulnerable there's nothing to do. |
| 18:57 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> except maybe grow jaded. |
| 18:57 |
independent56 |
Ah... i get you. So just some lowlife trolling other people. |
| 18:58 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Random bots trying to break into your server is common, just be sure to keep on top of the security settings and don't leave things like root SSH login on. |
| 18:58 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If I were to guess, rather than "trolling" they're looking to add nodes to a botnet that they can use to sell services like cryptomining or DDoS. |
| 18:58 |
Krock |
hmm.. this mod seems kinda suspicious. https://krock-works.uk.to/minetest/modSearch.php?st=0&at=0&q=rickroll |
| 18:58 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Krock, the URL gives it away |
| 18:58 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> (and on the discord-side, the embed doesn't help) |
| 18:58 |
Krock |
Benrob0329: well yes |
| 18:59 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> You've gotta at least use some kind of a code word for it |
| 18:59 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Id post a "you have no power here" lotr gif or "I have no such weakness" star wars gif but I dont think IRC will display it ? |
| 18:59 |
Krock |
no, for a search engine that's a bad practice |
| 18:59 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> How the hell is there no actual rickroll mod for MT? |
| 18:59 |
independent56 |
Yeah, i kinda turn on ssh for when i go to school and need to use termux to run mapserver... should disable root access.. |
| 18:59 |
Krock |
!mod rickroll |
| 18:59 |
MinetestBot |
Krock: Rick Roller [rickroll] by taikedz - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=15649 - https://github.com/taikedz-mt/rickroll |
| 19:00 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> also https://github.com/ChimneySwift/stickpack/ has a rickstick |
| 19:00 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> You can allow root access over ssh, but you need a damn good password, or disable passwords and only allow pubkey. If you can't maintain a pretty high security standard then you should probably just lock it down so at least they don't automatically know one correct username to attack. |
| 19:00 |
Krock |
okay that stickpack seems funny |
| 19:01 |
MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> It is |
| 19:01 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> On the other hand, don't focus just on protecting root either, because xkcd 1200 |
| 19:02 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> If I had physical server access, I'd probably just use a local access point and disable SSH entirely |
| 19:03 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> the best security is not having anything that can be exploited :^) </halfjoke> |
| 19:04 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> There is something to be said about just not having anything worth stealing, but unfortunately if you have an internet connection and a non-zero amount of computing power, it's worth at least minimal effort for them to try, i.e. they at least try all the turnkey exploits. |
| 19:04 |
independent56 |
Root disabled... and yeah, i need a way to use crontab to disable prot forwarding for ssh until 08:40-15:30. |
| 19:05 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> I hope those are fake times and you didn't just reveal your server's more vulnerable times in a public channel |
| 19:05 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Reminds me of at my old company back when they had a habit of sending all exceptions as emails to a mailing list to all the devs. We basically ignored those emails until one morning after a pentest scan when email was basically unusable because of the tens of thousands of emails that came in over the scan. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Benrob, you don't necessarily know i56's time zone though, so... |
| 19:06 |
independent56 |
They aren't... maybe i should tone it to breaktimes at school |
| 19:06 |
Krock |
> -independent56- TIME Tue Jul 6 20:06:36 |
| 19:06 |
Krock |
UTC+1 |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> RIP |
| 19:07 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> When it comes to security don't try to do anything too clever or tricky. Just turn off what you don't need, have decent passwords, use pubkeys where feasible, don't install random shit, don't run anything written in PHP ? ... |
| 19:07 |
independent56 |
SSH turned off in port forwarding on router |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Timezones are fairly easy to guess based on context too though, like I had guessed that 56 was probably from the UK or close by (though I can't remember what clued me in on that right now) |
| 19:08 |
independent56 |
0_0 (cries in XAMPP wordpress and dokwuiki) |
| 19:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If you block admin SSH access then if someone manages to get in via a web server zero-day while you're away from home, then you can't get in to stop them from using your machine for whatever until SSH is back up ... so maybe not the best trick. |
| 19:08 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Haha, PHP is one of the worst languages so of COURSE a ton of really useful stuff is written in it. |
| 19:08 |
independent56 |
Eh, "sudo su" is the way i do it. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> There is sudo -i |
| 19:09 |
MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> as well as sudo -s |
| 19:10 |
independent56 |
how do i disable them? ddg returns nothing. |
| 19:10 |
independent56 |
I spent all of breaktime memorising my ip adress. |
| 19:11 |
independent56 |
What a lowlife i am... |
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specing |
it sure looks like you got pwned, independent56 |
| 19:11 |
independent56 |
Where? on that paste i showed? |
| 19:12 |
independent56 |
https://imgur.com/a/uQAu4tR |
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independent56 |
So... the scan is like a storm. A nice spectacle to look at, but when you have an improperly built house (server), it may all collapse.... ah, i get it now. |
| 19:32 |
independent56 |
Should it be easy as just changing some router settings to get the webserver up? Becua ei have heard you ahev to call the ISP and get them to open up the neighbourhood port. |
| 19:33 |
sfan5 |
huh? |
| 19:34 |
ingar |
most ISPs don't open port 80 on home connections (at least here), it's better to rent a VPS |
| 19:37 |
independent56 |
Hmm... Yeah, i had to do it myself on the router. But nothing that imtimidating. |
| 19:38 |
independent56 |
And my VPS? a PS homelab. |
| 19:39 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> First of all, it's port 443, not 80 :trollface: |
| 19:39 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Some ISPs block common ports, but not all and there's no absolute standard for it. The old Microsoft ports like 135 are the most common ones I've seen. 80/443 seems like a toosup. |
| 19:40 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> tossup dammit |
| 19:40 |
independent56 |
oh... w-w- wow... |
| 19:41 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I've had ISPs that have a "no servers" policy but I basically just make the "landing" page of my web server look like it could be a router admin interface or something and only give out links to internal URLs. It's all over TLS anyway so it's harder for them to prove that any real "web serving" is going on. |
| 19:42 |
independent56 |
hmm... let me check EE's docs (my ISP is obvious from any IP lookup) |
| 19:43 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> They aren't necessarily gonna tell you either, tbh. There's always a "we reserve the right to take measures we unilaterally deem reasonable to 'manage the network'" clause ... but then, they often aren't actually watching unless you create enough traffic to cause a problem or make it into like the top 1% of consumers. |
| 19:46 |
ingar |
hence the VPS option, screw my IPS |
| 19:46 |
independent56 |
hmm, intresting. so a rule of thumb is "sure, operate a server. just be careful it stays a backyard project" |
| 19:46 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> It should be possible to get a VPS decent enough to run an MT server for between $5 and $10 USD per month. |
| 19:47 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If you've got an income, VPS is a good option; even if you want the actual hardware to be physically local to you, having a VPS to front for you and act as a proxy or something can be nice. |
| 19:47 |
sfan5 |
I expect just about any ISP to have a no servers policy on thier consumer plans |
| 19:47 |
sfan5 |
perhaps with restrictions on commerciality |
| 19:48 |
sfan5 |
in short personal, non-commercial stuff is extremely unlikely to cause any issues |
| 19:48 |
independent56 |
ah, nice. |
| 19:48 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Yeah, the problem with ISP "no server" policies is that servers are hard to really define, and anything CAN be a server if they want it to be and they generally offer no meaningful dispute power to consumers. So flying under the radar is about the best you can hope for :-) |
| 19:48 |
ingar |
I just don't like opening too many ports to my home server |
| 19:49 |
Ingar |
I ran an MT server on an ARM VPS once though, it ran quite fine actually |
| 19:49 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> There's a good chance they're too busy dealing with that one guy on your network segment who's used 60% of the bandwidth alone and gotten 2 copyright notices already, so it's usually not something to sweat too bad. |
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independent56 |
nice, ipv6 |
| 19:49 |
independent56 |
(about joiner) |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Opening ports is kinda a PITA. I kind of like the fact that with HTTPS you can mux everything with enough reverse proxies and have an arbitrarily-large URL space to allocate from, and the actual specific services can be kept from evesdroppers that way.. |
| 19:51 |
independent56 |
Meh, for me it's fine. To open i set a name, device, ports, and protocol. to close one, i just redirect it to something which will never be online again. |
| 19:52 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I just don't like having to do network management stuff. |
| 19:52 |
independent56 |
I love it. it's an escape from the monotony of watching youtube all day. |
| 19:52 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Also the next natural evolution from running an MT server at home is running 3 of them :-D |
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independent56 |
i'm gonna restart my router in a weird attempt to enable ipv6 |
| 19:53 |
independent56 |
bye |
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independent56 |
Turns out i broke the router, fuck me. |
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independent56 |
If mum was at home, then i would have been punished severely. |
| 20:09 |
independent56 |
lesson? "Dont touch things you don't know about" |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If you never touch things you don't know about then you'll probably always not know about them. |
| 20:10 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> but sometimes getting punished is part of the lesson too :-) |
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independent56 |
haha... my punishment was a terrifying 5 minutes of thinking about the factory reset |
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independent56 |
luckly i managed to conenct locally and disable ipv6. so muh nicer |
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independent56 |
yeah... i shouldn't touch misson-critical systems like router settings unles si know what i'm doing. Docker is fine to play with. But not rm -r /. |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> you know you can literally google what is my IP rather than trying to even remember it |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> probably even a shell script for it |
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rubenwardy |
haha, I did the same thing when I was 14 and trying to host a MT server |
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independent56 |
i need to remember it, as i have no domain. Often, i end up showing it [my wiki] to teachers at shcool on chromebooks. |
| 20:25 |
rubenwardy |
ended up using an ethernet cable and telnet to connect to the router and fix it using command line |
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rubenwardy |
I don't know how I did that without the internet |
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independent56 |
Wait... minetest was around when you were 14? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> independent, you really could use a dynamic DNS |
| 20:26 |
MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> yeah, ruben young af apparently |
| 20:26 |
independent56 |
i wish my mother would buy me a domain |
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rubenwardy |
Hm, 15 actually. I'm 24, and I joined in 2012 |
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sfan5 |
do you know about free ddns services? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I've found a number of free ddns services. I've got a paid one, which has proven more reliable, but I've kept a couple free ones around as backups. |
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independent56 |
well... minetest was released at 2012 (i think), so that means... (2021-2012)+14, that means 23 |
| 20:27 |
independent56 |
oh wait their age was rvealed |
| 20:28 |
independent56 |
hmmm... tell me more please. |
| 20:28 |
MTDiscord |
<j45> https://minetest.land/ |
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rubenwardy |
No, Minetest was created on 2010-10-10 |
| 20:29 |
rubenwardy |
I believe that's the agreed upon birthday |
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sfan5 |
independent56: http://www.duckdns.org/ |
| 20:29 |
independent56 |
close enough |
| 20:30 |
rubenwardy |
http://www.minetest.land/ |
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MTDiscord |
<j45> (the link i sent above is a free dynamic DNS) |
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rubenwardy |
(www. not the root domain) |
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MTDiscord |
<Lone_Wolf> minetest.land ftw |
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MTDiscord |
<j45> Yh |
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independent56 |
http://56i.duckdns.org |
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independent56 |
it works! |
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MTDiscord |
<j45> Nice one |
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independent56 |
but i do set my sights on a subdomainless domain |
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independent56 |
one which is truly mine, where i can make my own paid subdomain to domain service >:-) |
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MTDiscord |
<j45> :} |
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independent56 |
subdomains of subdomains make sense here: wiki.56i.duckdns.org, wordpress.56i.duckdns.org... |
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independent56 |
looked at the access log, looks like someone was exploring my webserve |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> >Minetest was created on 2010-10-10 |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> what an awesome day to be born |
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independent56 |
yeah... i wasn't born on 2006-06-06, i was born on 2006-08. |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> was born in 14th march |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> Einstein guy borned that day too |
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<GreenXenith> guys |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Minetest was made on 2010-10-10 which can be expressed as 10-10-10. 101010 is 42 in binary. Minetest is the answer. |
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<wwar> Haha, minecraft guys dont have similar thing |
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Extex |
I can't get farming redo to work |
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Extex |
It just remains as the mtg farming |
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Extex |
Isn't it supposed to override it? |
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sfan5 |
easiest way is to actually delete farming from MTG |
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<GreenXenith> Its supposed to override though |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> A second-level domain is not "truly yours", it's only 33% less not-yours than a third-level :-/ |
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Extex |
Ok I got it to work |
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Extex |
Had to put it in worldmods though |
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<appguru> Or just go for snake case and get wiki_56i.duckdns.org, wordpress_56i.duckdns.org, ... |
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